Why not switch?

[tnttoken]

Why continue to play here when an organized guild could move to red and literally free farm Kunark and alot of smaller Velious stuff.

Leveling is alot faster and camps are open all over the place. A guild could come in and level together and have a blast.

Some of people's biggest complaints are that they will be griefed by deleveled epic rogues and twinks...
First, twinks literally just park their chars in main zones and log in to see if anybody is there and then log off. Some of those zones are Unrest/Mistmoore/City of Mist/KC. If you come in with the understanding that you should avoid those zones when you are new then your life will be great, twinks will not travel to obscure zones to hunt you.
Second, they made it so you can't use epic until level 46 so there are alot less twinks griefing than there used to be (again will mention that twinks won't travel too far to hunt you).
Third, besides the very few idiot twinks with daddy issues most twinks are there for a kill... once they get it they usually leave you alone to continue your business. Very few will continuously grief you over and over.

If you are bored on blue and would love to start fresh.
If you are tired of camps constantly being full and having to wait your turn to level.
If you want exp to come fast and have a more dangerous experience then just mindlessly leveling and getting gear to do nothing with it.
Then get a good group of people/guild that doesn't want to wait in line all day for a mob and has a little bit thicker skin and give Red a try.

[Spyder73]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273917

[Rivera]

Because there are like 15 people on there, half of them retarded, the other half have nothing to do so will just try and grief you all day.

Most people play Blue because of the population. Everquest is absolute shit without any population.

[Lhancelot]

Why continue to play here when an organized guild could move to red and literally free farm Kunark and a... *SNIP*

Because RED is dead, man. Part of the fun is the socialization with other players. It doesn't matter that the camps can cause frustration here, it's better to have too many than not enough.

[Expediency]

Red server ran all their own players off and now they just want fresh meat

[tnttoken]

Most of the people that post with such strong opposition to red are the ones that tried it, leveled to 15 (which takes 2-4 hours for a new player) in a popular PvP zone and got killed, then logged off forever because nobody would hand them gear or money or hold their hand.

You do have to have somewhat of a brain to survive red I will add.

[branamil]

Because EQ PvP is not balanced and not fun.

[Grizzler]

As someone who played red awhile ago with a static, up until mid 40's, I will say that having completely open camps everywhere is great. Wonderful to be able to pick what you want to camp without fear of someone already being there. Although if you want to get camps in popular zones, then you will have to expect to deal with annoyances...

Literally, the server was boring when there was barely 100 ppl on, I can only imagine what it would be like now with 40 people typically. That said, the zones people would want to themselves is where the twinks and griefers hang out looking for fresh meat. So your still going to out of the way locations, like on blue.

The only real difference is rather than interacting with other people to buy,sell,xp, etc. as you would on blue, you end up only interacting with people when they try to kill you. It gets really boring after awhile, especially when those people attack you mid pull. So huge, wide open places making it feel like an empty world other than the things that wanna kill you.

All in all, I'm amazed that the staff has allowed the server to remain. That they haven't taken the server, wiped it and recreated it as some form of team server that everyone seems to want is amazing. It really shows a lack of appreciation for EQ PvP (Which really only works in a team format) and a lack of caring for what the future of the overall P99 community is. It's theirs to do what they wish with but certainly not caring about improving things.

Why not try red? Cause vast open spaces with no other people to interact with other than those that want to shit in your cereal isn't fun or engaging. (Not that doing the same content in pvp or pve is either but at least on blue you have some people to meet and interact with in more than just 1 way, while doing the same content over and over and over and over and over and over again.)

[Tenlaar]

Most of the people that post with such strong opposition to red are the ones that tried it, leveled to 15 (which takes 2-4 hours for a new player) in a popular PvP zone and got killed, then logged off forever because nobody would hand them gear or money or hold their hand.

You do have to have somewhat of a brain to survive red I will add.

Lies like these do not help your cause. Most of the people who post with such strong opposition to red are people who realize that red is full of toxic people who are now reduced to very annoyingly spamming the boards with threads trying to get anybody at all to play with them.

[Evia]

Casey still on red? I liked that guy.

[Rivera]

Most of the people that post with such strong opposition to red are the ones that tried it, leveled to 15 (which takes 2-4 hours for a new player) in a popular PvP zone and got killed, then logged off forever because nobody would hand them gear or money or hold their hand.

You do have to have somewhat of a brain to survive red I will add.

^ When lonely autists have to justify what they spend all day doing.

[fan D]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless. A bunch of stats have no value on blue, and same thing with alot of gear. All you do on blue is auto attack trivial content. All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1. So you are now level 60, and you're raiding, and you realize half the items and stats dont matter, and theres nothing to do with the gear you do get. The guild you're in isn't going to actually need the items to progress, most guilds could do any of the content if they had the chance.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

[Tenlaar]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

YOU start to think this. YOU think that it's still more fun than blue. If this was a common thing for other people to think as well, red would have more than 40 people on it right now, wouldn't it?

[fan D]

i played blue for years before realizing it

once i tried red there was no going back

some of my bluest of guildys came to red and thought the same thing. they'd never go back to blue, there's just nothing to do once you have a couple of 60s and such. it's not about 24/7 pvp, it's about the threat of pvp to introduce some variables into the equation. there's only so many times you can auto attack the same dragons, ya dig?

[fan D]

when I started blue my goal was to level in all of the obscure dungeons that I never did on live. i did that, got 60. got bored. red99 is the same thing as blue with just a little more excitement

[thebutthat]

YOU start to think this. YOU think that it's still more fun than blue. If this was a common thing for other people to think as well, red would have more than 40 people on it right now, wouldn't it?

EQ wasn't designed for pvp, it was an after thought. The game rewards class/gear over any practical skill. When X always beats Y, unless Y has infinitely better gear than X, that equals stale game play in a lot of peoples minds. I much prefer the meta of modern MMOs for PVP as they somewhat cater to those communities and put gameplay balance in place for it. PVP, you're pitting player vs player...so the better player should win, not the one with the bigger neck beard. That's always been the problem with EQ pvp, and why it's not really a thing anyone has ever taken seriously since MMO games with PVP design have been around.

I for one would never waste the time playing broken EQ PVP regardless of the ruleset. Did it for a few years on live, and it was ok before games with PVP in mind started coming around. P1999 EQ PVP It's a niche within a niche at best and will always be an unpopulated graveyard. Doesn't matter if you put teams or whatever flavor of PVP you chose. It'll be dead shortly after it's launch.

[Lhancelot]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless. A bunch of stats have no value on blue, and same thing with alot of gear. All you do on blue is auto attack trivial content. All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1. So you are now level 60, and you're raiding, and you realize half the items and stats dont matter, and theres nothing to do with the gear you do get. The guild you're in isn't going to actually need the items to progress, most guilds could do any of the content if they had the chance.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

I played PVP on Everquest literally for years, went to EQ2 played PVP, went to WAR played PVP, I have always been a PVP player.

I 100% understand your sentiment regarding gears and how you build your character much like one would a race car, trying to maximize it best to win more races. that aspect is really fun on MMOs, but only when you have enough players to PVP with.

You have to have a decent, healthy population for ANY PVP game to thrive. Period. When past PVP games lost population on a server, the server died.

Plain and simple, you need PEOPLE to succeed on a PVP server. RED does not offer that, my man.

[fan D]

then enjoy blue sicko

[Tenlaar]

then enjoy blue sicko

Will do, along with the rest of the fifteen times as many people that are logged into blue than red right now.

[fan D]

*stares at a wall for 16 hours*

this is great!

[Tenlaar]

*stares at a wall for 15 hours and 55 minutes, PVPs for 5 minutes*

This is so badass, if only anybody wanted to play with me so I can show them how badass and hardcore I am!

[Lune]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless. A bunch of stats have no value on blue, and same thing with alot of gear. All you do on blue is auto attack trivial content. All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1. So you are now level 60, and you're raiding, and you realize half the items and stats dont matter, and theres nothing to do with the gear you do get. The guild you're in isn't going to actually need the items to progress, most guilds could do any of the content if they had the chance.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

This would be true if EQ pvp wasn't so bad. You ever see two melees fighting? It looks like two moths banging into a lightbulb. The combat meta is so cancerous and unenjoyable. The game was not built for pvp and it shows.

[fan D]

who cares if its not built for pvp, eq isnt balanced, or fair, isn't that what u like about it?

tonight u will stare at a wall for 16 hours and possibly send in a petition or two

i will login with 40 of my guildmates, run to TOV, fight another guild of 40 players, and whoever wins will kill dragons while the other logs off and does somethin else with their lives

[Amyas]

Why not make Red A blue luclin server

[Grizzler]

*stares at a wall for 16 hours*

this is great!

More like this:

Blue Server:
*Stares at a wall for 16 hours with other people"

Red Server:
*Stares at a wall for 16 hours"

[Grizzler]

who cares if its not built for pvp, eq isnt balanced, or fair, isn't that what u like about it?

tonight u will stare at a wall for 16 hours and possibly send in a petition or two

i will login with 40 of my guildmates, run to TOV, fight another guild of 40 players, and whoever wins will kill dragons while the other logs off and does somethin else with their lives
Red server with 80 ppl on it?!?! What a dream..

[Squabbles123]

Most of the people that post with such strong opposition to red are the ones that tried it, leveled to 15 (which takes 2-4 hours for a new player) in a popular PvP zone and got killed, then logged off forever because nobody would hand them gear or money or hold their hand.

You do have to have somewhat of a brain to survive red I will add.

A brain? No.

You just need Hide.

[Lhancelot]

This would be true if EQ pvp wasn't so bad. You ever see two melees fighting? It looks like two moths banging into a lightbulb. The combat meta is so cancerous and unenjoyable. The game was not built for pvp and it shows.

I disagree. It's a personal preference ofc, but I found EQ PVP fun back in the day.

Also the argument that "EQ PVP is so imbalanced" is a hollow reason for not playing EQ PVP. I have never played one MMO where everyone agreed that it was "balanced."

I would say in the end, Warhammer Online was closest to being balanced but by then everyone quit playing it and it died due to such a long time for them to get their game together.

The reason the majority of players who would consider RED here do not is due to population lacking, not because of balance issues or lack of fun.

[fadetree]

Warhammer online was the bomb. Sigh.

How about 'I tried EQ PvP and I thought it sucked'. Is that a valid reason?

[Lhancelot]

Warhammer online was the bomb. Sigh.

How about 'I tried EQ PvP and I thought it sucked'. Is that a valid reason?

For some reason it annoys me when people proclaim a personal opinion as if it's a fact, especially when they wholeheartedly believe it. :p

[fadetree]

Well, you can't argue with my experience, if I say I thought it sucked, then I did. I don't translate that to "and therefore it sucks for everyone". But I do think it's likely that most people won't like it....and they seem not to. So.

[skarlorn]

I tried red but it's ded

[Troxx]

Warhammer online was good pvp. Hell, even WoW pvp was kinda fun.

EQ pvp is and has always been a mess and Red 99 is the worst incarnation of EQ pvp - both from a community attitude (caustic) standpoint and a gear imbalance standpoint. The insanely low population just magnifies these problems.

Red is dead. Ironically, it's the playerbase of the server that's to blame for the ghost town it currently is.

[branamil]

you failed to enjoy taking your p99 experience to the next level.

Remember, if the game is boring, frustrating, and unbalanced; it's not the game's fault. You just "failed" to enjoy the game properly.

[86753o9]

You can have a red character on blue server but you can't have a blue character on red server. So yeah, why don't the people on red switch to blue?

[Ivah]

Remember, if the game is boring, frustrating, and unbalanced; it's not the game's fault. You just "failed" to enjoy the game properly.

If that's how you look at it why even bother playing. Sounds like you failed.

[Ivah]

You can have a red character on blue server but you can't have a blue character on red server. So yeah, why don't the people on red switch to blue?

Most the player base on red already dominated blue at one point or another. Killing the same old npcs is boring. Killing people who talk shit to you not so much.

[Troxx]

When will people figure out that these recruitment threads do not work?

[86753o9]

Most the player base on red already dominated blue at one point or another. Killing the same old npcs is boring. Killing people who talk shit to you not so much.

I don't get personal validation from computer games so that's a perspective that I can't really relate to. However, if all of you switched to blue wouldn't the same people who "talk shit" to you on red now be pvp on blue? I've played this game for 5 years and I've never been subject to shit talking, I have witnessed it though on red server /ooc.

Everybody would like a legit pvp server except maybe the red server cheerleaders. And therein lies the rub. To make red into a server that resembles a live pvp server in 1999, some changes would need to be made, and the reds are dead set against those changes becuase it would mean the end of jackass junior high with the easy mode leveling. The reason nobody plays on red server is because nobody takes it seriously, it's our Tiajuana. Nobody wants to move to Tiajuana, sure they might go there once in awhile and bring home crabs and some souvenir dead frog figurines, but nobody wants to live there. In the eyes of almost every player red is not a legitimate server, it's just another one of those weird experimental servers that they see on the server select screen. it's a fuckoff server that nobody takes seriously and never will as long as it continues to exist in it's current state. And that's the real reason why red is empty, we all know it but some of us refuse to admit it. So year after year we do the dance and beat the dead horse.

[bolo]

Don´t waste your time on Red. It is a barren wasteland. Don´t come to general forum to beg for peeps to join Red. It is cringy.
Just let it go...
Have a nice day :)

[aaezil]

lol every other day one of the 10 downsies from red begs people to come play on the forums. If that isnt a huge red flag i dont know what is.

[Lhancelot]

http://i.imgur.com/iv9tDgz.jpg

Swish, this post with the baby and the dog seems to indicate you finally have got it!

It's time you start up your campaign for Blue and hit FB, Instagram, all other platforms of media with the gusto you hit these forums with when you used to recruit for Red.

I think with your tenacity, after 6 months of you campaigning you will have hundreds of thousands of players logging into Blue p99.

This will then force Daybreak and Rogean to consider doing p99 on a much larger scale, perhaps creating 30 more new p99 servers just to keep up with the demand.

Get busy Swish. :p

[fadetree]

When will people figure out that these recruitment threads do not work?

Yeah, that's what I wonder too. What's the point? There have been endless recruitment threads. It does not work.

[Troxx]

http://i.imgur.com/iv9tDgz.jpg

I think this post accurately reflects the discussion. The baby wasn't interested before the discussion, during, or after. Clearly --- not interested.

The expression on the dog's face is also eerily accurate! The final portion of the picture demonstrates the absolute pathetic aspect of touting 'not waiting in line' when really it just boils down to 'i end up playing by myself'. It's a pretty sad realization that the dog's face captures quite nicely.

[Ivah]

I don't get personal validation from computer games so that's a perspective that I can't really relate to. However, if all of you switched to blue wouldn't the same people who "talk shit" to you on red now be pvp on blue? I've played this game for 5 years and I've never been subject to shit talking, I have witnessed it though on red server /ooc.

Everybody would like a legit pvp server except maybe the red server cheerleaders. And therein lies the rub. To make red into a server that resembles a live pvp server in 1999, some changes would need to be made, and the reds are dead set against those changes becuase it would mean the end of jackass junior high with the easy mode leveling. The reason nobody plays on red server is because nobody takes it seriously, it's our Tiajuana. Nobody wants to move to Tiajuana, sure they might go there once in awhile and bring home crabs and some souvenir dead frog figurines, but nobody wants to live there. In the eyes of almost every player red is not a legitimate server, it's just another one of those weird experimental servers that they see on the server select screen. it's a fuckoff server that nobody takes seriously and never will as long as it continues to exist in it's current state. And that's the real reason why red is empty, we all know it but some of us refuse to admit it. So year after year we do the dance and beat the dead horse.
Didn't read but thx for sharing

[86753o9]

Didn't read but thx for sharing
Liar.

[Lhancelot]

I think this post accurately reflects the discussion. The baby wasn't interested before the discussion, during, or after. Clearly --- not interested.

The expression on the dog's face is also eerily accurate! The final portion of the picture demonstrates the absolute pathetic aspect of touting 'not waiting in line' when really it just boils down to 'i end up playing by myself'. It's a pretty sad realization that the dog's face captures quite nicely.

Exactly, that's why I said it appears Swish finally has gotten it... He created the perfect meme here reflecting exactly the precise sentiment regarding Red and Blue. It's brilliant!

Good job Swish!

[Ivah]

Prove it

[tnttoken]

Bump

[Qtip]

Tmo ran the blue server for a year or two, came to red and got slaughtered and quit within a month. Thats with them converting a couple million plat and starting with epics/resist sets.

Most people on blue are good at being stay at home sons and staring at spawn points for 16 hours a day. So in the end.... The best guild from blue lasted one month. Stay on blue and have fun arguing over foot races and fte emotes.

[heartbrand]

EQ PvP isn't designed for 80 pop. There is no real "threat" of PvP hiding, there's actually very little actual PvP on a daily basis. These threads are cringeworthy. Only thing that can "save" red, i.e., bring back 250+ pop, is some sort of reboot with a new ruleset.

[feanan]

if i wanted to play on a non classic server, i'd go to agnarr where at least I could have some fun

enjoy your 600% exp and free lewtz!

[Life617]

Being nuked down mid pull is no fun, being ok'd by your own guild mate is no fun, getting killed at zonelines while ark is no fun, getting killed over and over when you're just trying to do is no fun. I'd rather deal with blue than the dirty red server where you gotta follow all these special rules just to survive. maybe it's fun for you current red players and that's cool. It's no fun for me though.

[stonez138]

All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1.

This is bullshit. Nobosy even had a vp key day 1 so how the hell were all those dragons killed day?

[fan D]

This is bullshit. Nobosy even had a vp key day 1 so how the hell were all those dragons killed day?

VP wasn't released at the start of kunark. It came out a few months later, the first day it came out one guild killed 3 of the dragons and the other guild got the other 3. VP was cleared within hours of release. I think it was TMO and TR ? ToV was also cleared the first night of Velious release.

[Nixtar]

Tmo ran the blue server for a year or two, came to red and got slaughtered and quit within a month. Thats with them converting a couple million plat and starting with epics/resist sets.

Most people on blue are good at being stay at home sons and staring at spawn points for 16 hours a day. So in the end.... The best guild from blue lasted one month. Stay on blue and have fun arguing over foot races and fte emotes.

Thanks for letting us all know what waits for us after having breezed through 1-60 so we won't waste our time. Appreciate it. <3

Enjoy your empty sandbox.

[Nuggie]

VP wasn't released at the start of kunark. It came out a few months later, the first day it came out one guild killed 3 of the dragons and the other guild got the other 3. VP was cleared within hours of release. I think it was TMO and TR ? ToV was also cleared the first night of Velious release.

That history lesson... ouch.

I can't believe you all fed the reds to get the post this sprawled out. I tried red. As a shaman. I got griefed a few times. I learned to play better and killed his fungi twink with prenerf cos rear. I made it to mid 40's after a few weeks. Then the wave of new people I was playing with out leveled me. it wasnt fun going solo. I didn't log in anymore. I gave it an honest shot. It just wasn't fun.

[mickmoranis]

That history lesson... ouch.

I can't believe you all fed the reds to get the post this sprawled out. I tried red. As a shaman. I got griefed a few times. I learned to play better and killed his fungi twink with prenerf cos rear. I made it to mid 40's after a few weeks. Then the wave of new people I was playing with out leveled me. it wasnt fun going solo. I didn't log in anymore. I gave it an honest shot. It just wasn't fun.

heh funny story, i had the oposite but same

was camping verina tomb (aka sitting there on an alt named verabtombby waiting for no reason at all with like 9 other verinatombnamedlvlones) and logged into red to box while I "played" blue everquest.

Then like you, I didn't log in anymore, only with me it was didn't log back into blue.

It just wasn't fun.

[mickmoranis]

Whats not to like about sitting around for days waiting for Verina Tomb, then doing it all over again for Vessel? :D

from the sound of things, a lot of ppl are playing blue to meet new people and make friends, so if that's what you think is missing in your life, I dont recommend red.

but if you are a independent person that LOVES classic everquest, its a better sever.

[mickmoranis]

"I dont want to play on a server with no players"

"everyone on blue is a greedy scumbag who raises prices to gouge people"

I dont get it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Troxx]

These threads always end the same way.

Swish, do you enjoy playing on a ghost town server? If you're so lonely, perhaps you should just move back to blue ... or just find another game to play?

[Lunababy]

lol pvp nerds "COME TO MY DEAD SERVER SO I CAN GANK YOU PRETTY PLEASEEEEEE?"

topkek
massive luls

[mickmoranis]

there is no more pvp on red

[branamil]

Only 30 people in the world think 1999 Everquest PvP is a worthwhile use of your time. Pretty much speaks for itself

[Ivah]

That history lesson... ouch.

I can't believe you all fed the reds to get the post this sprawled out. I tried red. As a shaman. I got griefed a few times. I learned to play better and killed his fungi twink with prenerf cos rear. I made it to mid 40's after a few weeks. Then the wave of new people I was playing with out leveled me. it wasnt fun going solo. I didn't log in anymore. I gave it an honest shot. It just wasn't fun.

This is the type of I tried red post I can support. All the other I tried red and got griefed so stopped logging in are just a buncha bitch *****s.

[mickmoranis]

Only 30 people in the world think 1999 Everquest PvP is a worthwhile use of your time. Pretty much speaks for itself

yea it has none of the strengths 1999 Everquest Pve has in achieving and expanding yourself to reach your fullest potential.

[Jimjam]

there is no more pvp on red

I can confirm that I left my red warrior logged in afk with no anon or role for like 6 hours yesterday and did not get killed once.

I did get told to get cancer and fall in a hole when I tried to buy a runed blade tho.

[Icetech]

I can confirm that I left my red warrior logged in afk with no anon or role for like 6 hours yesterday and did not get killed once.

I did get told to get cancer and fall in a hole when I tried to buy a runed blade tho.

yeah but with only 4 people on the server the odds of you being seen were almost zero :)

I would have no problem going red if it wasn't for the pvp and lack of people...

[Jimjam]

This sounds like half of the story. Where's the other half?

I wish I knew! I guess you've never made it until you got haters, right Swish?

[mickmoranis]

I can confirm that I left my red warrior logged in afk with no anon or role for like 6 hours yesterday and did not get killed once.

I did get told to get cancer and fall in a hole when I tried to buy a runed blade tho.

laughed hard at this post cus its true and i love it

[Nuggie]

fine fine. i'm logging in to red right now to play for an hour.

edit - but only because i left a blue char logged in to record fte's at home(i'm traveling)

edit - mid 40's was a lie, he's only 38

[beta]

no balls

[supermonk]

i hit 60 on red, raided a little and then quit back in kunark. i wasn't griefed off, but the community is really just a piece of shit; not to me personally..but when i saw a lot of people make fun of a dude bc he's in a wheelchair for life, that's just too far.

if you're goal is to see new content and do more classic raids (clearing to bosses, etc.) without the blue mechanics, then red might be for you..that's if you can tolerate the community.

[Jimjam]

laughed hard at this post cus its true and i love it

Red has a strange meta, where it seems not to be characters vs characters but literally players vs players in some pseudo psychological warfare. It's a rather sad state, but obviously cherished by dozens.

Maybe a green red server (brown?) could be cvc instead of pvp :D.

[Kiwix]

Why not switch?

I did switch back pre-Kunark. I managed to lvl a little female gnome necromancer named Maam to lvl 50. Back then the red server was more populated so I got to interact with quite a few while leveling up.

I found a few good friends there but mostly I had bad experience with ppl that are so fully explained in this thread already. I'm bit of a stubborn person, so I leveled her to max lvl 50 (at that time) to be sure I fully gave red a chance.

Shotly afterwards I quit red. I have never re-thought it and I never considered coming back. Thanks for the experience that was mostly bad and therefor the reason for not switching (back again).

Just my two pence. Quote it to pieces or whatever.

[Izmael]

P99 forums are the single worst place to try and recruit players for the red server. Everyone here noticed throughout the years that the cringiest posters who make a fool of themselves by spamming the forums with nonsense (xaanka, azzar and the like) are almost invariably red players.

Try recruiting somewhere else, maybe rerolled forums or even WoW forums etc.

[mickmoranis]

Red has a strange meta, where it seems not to be characters vs characters but literally players vs players in some pseudo psychological warfare. It's a rather sad state, but obviously cherished by dozens.

Maybe a green red server (brown?) could be cvc instead of pvp :D.

"the community was super accepting and great"

Said no one ever about any competitive gaming community

:D

Also lol at literally players vs players

[tnttoken]

Bump

[Lhancelot]

...but when i saw a lot of people make fun of a dude bc he's in a wheelchair for life, that's just too far.

Sounds like a pack of sociopaths.

[Nixtar]

"the community was super accepting and great"

Said no one ever about any competitive gaming community

:D

Also lol at literally players vs players

It is very possible. All it takes is one guild to start acting like somewhat well adjusted people... Which is the core problem for red. It is being run by man-children who think EQ PvP takes balls.

[tnttoken]

Which is why I say that a good guild from blue could all come over and stick together and really have some fun and farm whatever they wanted!

[Qtip]

It is very possible. All it takes is one guild to start acting like somewhat well adjusted people... Which is the core problem for red. It is being run by man-children who think EQ PvP takes balls.

EQ pvp takes tissues. Lots and lots of tissues.

[mickmoranis]

why is it up to red to act like well adjusted people when nobody on blue acts that way?

[skarlorn]

I quit red after getting my shaman to 47. Me and my trio were fighting our way to our first ever efreeti camp, and then som elevel 60 druid and his friend came and trained us to death on purpose. They didn't even want the camp, and since we were out of pvp range they resorted to dirty tactics.

I've always enjoyed PvP - but the fact is that in Red, you're more likely to die because of some douchebag abusing the rules and getting away with it because there's no real GM presence, and who the fuck really wants to petition because some out of range high level was training them?

waste of time

[mickmoranis]

yea total waste of time.

not like blue, a very good use of your time.

[skarlorn]

yes it is a better use of time if you are interested in community oriented gaming

[mickmoranis]

you have to make friends to survive on red, you can solo to BIS on blue and be a warm body on raids with huge numbers of folks that dont talk and only log in to raid.

idk how you think blue is more community oriented but thats just false.

You cannot and will not be able to surivive on red w/out a community of pals.

[skarlorn]

It's more community oriented because there's less toxic abuse to newer players, more options for the type of community you want to join, and has a larger stream of fresh players to interact with.

Theoretically, sure, red could be great. But, for whatever reason (the players), it's a shithole that will drive you away once you get to the higher levels.

[Loke]

I really enjoyed leveling on red. Have a 60 cleric there. However, the server became much less fun once I was in range of 60s. I had to go hide with a duo partner in a locked wing of HS to get 60, because any where that didnt require at least some effort to get to resulted in getting griefed by geared out 60s. I don't mind pvp, but getting killed repeatedly in 3 v 1 fights when the 3 are raid geared pvp classes and you're a cleric wearing bronze armor gets old reaaaal fast.

Toxic red players killed the community due to their lack of self control, valuing kills over community, and no amount of begging blue players to give it a try will fix that situation.

[heartbrand]

i hit 60 on red, raided a little and then quit back in kunark. i wasn't griefed off, but the community is really just a piece of shit; not to me personally..but when i saw a lot of people make fun of a dude bc he's in a wheelchair for life, that's just too far.

if you're goal is to see new content and do more classic raids (clearing to bosses, etc.) without the blue mechanics, then red might be for you..that's if you can tolerate the community.

The person in question stole from his employer, blamed it on his coworker who went to jail, stole multiple guild banks, and has RMTed hundreds of items that he stole.

[mickmoranis]

I really enjoyed leveling on red. Have a 60 cleric there. However, the server became much less fun once I was in range of 60s. I had to go hide with a duo partner in a locked wing of HS to get 60, because any where that didnt require at least some effort to get to resulted in getting griefed by geared out 60s. I don't mind pvp, but getting killed repeatedly in 3 v 1 fights when the 3 are raid geared pvp classes and you're a cleric wearing bronze armor gets old reaaaal fast.

Toxic red players killed the community due to their lack of self control, valuing kills over community, and no amount of begging blue players to give it a try will fix that situation.

in your first paragraph you literally described what makes red everquest the best everquest, but you describe it like you didnt like it, which is v sad and i feel bad that you dont enjoy the amazing strats you come up with on red to play a game that is literally ALL about amazing strats. /shrug

[Loke]

in your first paragraph you literally described what makes red everquest the best everquest, but you describe it like you didnt like it, which is v sad and i feel bad that you dont enjoy the amazing strats you come up with on red to play a game that is literally ALL about amazing strats. /shrug

I don't know what sort of strats are going to allow a late 50s cleric to be able to 3 v 1 against NToV geared wiz / monk / rogue. That was a legit fight I got into once. 3 empire members chasing me back and forth at the sol ro zone line until I eventually just plugged. Where is the challenge in that? Does anyone find those sort of fights challenging or fun? The server was literally raid geared players shooting lower level and under geared fish in a barrel.

Even worse, I actually app'd to empire cause of a friend in the guild, and the next day I had members trying to get me to help them pvp the exp group I was currently in. Then they killed me when I declined because I was trying to get 60. Everyone on red seemed to want you to inherit their grudges. Apparently not being a dick to someone was enough to make enemies of someone else who didn't like that person. The whole thing was just way too much drama, especially considering I started in velious and had no idea about the years of past drama, or who hated who and why. I just wanted to play the game, not get wrapped up in a bunch of immature high schoolesque grudges.

[mickmoranis]

no, finding a cool secret spot deep in a dungeon that you feel secure in and at least ready to be able to handle pvp should it try to come.

Thats like everquest, hard mode.

Which is awesome.

Idk i like hard mode.

Some snowflakes dont, but then again, why are they not playing nost in the first place ya kno?

[Tenlaar]

no, finding a cool secret spot deep in a dungeon that you feel secure in and at least ready to be able to handle pvp should it try to come.

Except that if he was deep in that dungeon with his buddy and those 3 NToV geared level 60's decided they were bored enough that they were going to work down to them, there still isn't anything he could have done except get reamed by characters with vastly superior gear...

[mickmoranis]

man you sound like a glass is half empty kinda fella.

there is a false narritive that the above is red99 though, so please, tell me more about how you know what its like on red99 in velious.

[skarlorn]

Mick is just making it clear that red 99 will only ever appear to a small niche of an already niche gamer community.

[Loke]

Except that if he was deep in that dungeon with his buddy and those 3 NToV geared level 60's decided they were bored enough that they were going to work down to them, there still isn't anything he could have done except get reamed by characters with vastly superior gear...

For the sake of accuracy, those were two different incidents. The sol ro deal was when I was running around for a quest or something solo, but still, 3 geared players spending a solid 20 minutes chasing me back and forth on the zone line was pretty lame. If my SSD hadn't been faster than theirs with load time they'd have probably got me.

Hiding in HS west did largely work, but even trying to go to velks, kael, or sol b was pretty much a death sentence.

[mickmoranis]

Mick is just making it clear that red 99 will only ever appear to a small niche of an already niche gamer community.

its true, I mean hell I love blue... I just wish the "great community" on blue, wouldnt shit all over their red pals.

It just shows that they think less of themselves and are embarrassed or jellous of red players.

Yall should embrace both our servers and stop your fricking endless tales of how difficult it is to play on red.

[Rick Sanchez]

Because there are like 15 people on there, half of them retarded, the other half have nothing to do so will just try and grief you all day.

Most people play Blue because of the population. Everquest is absolute shit without any population.

[Ardok]

I don't know what sort of strats are going to allow a late 50s cleric to be able to 3 v 1 against NToV geared wiz / monk / rogue. That was a legit fight I got into once. 3 empire members chasing me back and forth at the sol ro zone line until I eventually just plugged. Where is the challenge in that? Does anyone find those sort of fights challenging or fun? The server was literally raid geared players shooting lower level and under geared fish in a barrel.

Even worse, I actually app'd to empire cause of a friend in the guild, and the next day I had members trying to get me to help them pvp the exp group I was currently in. Then they killed me when I declined because I was trying to get 60. Everyone on red seemed to want you to inherit their grudges. Apparently not being a dick to someone was enough to make enemies of someone else who didn't like that person. The whole thing was just way too much drama, especially considering I started in velious and had no idea about the years of past drama, or who hated who and why. I just wanted to play the game, not get wrapped up in a bunch of immature high schoolesque grudges.

[Tenlaar]

For the sake of accuracy, those were two different incidents. The sol ro deal was when I was running around for a quest or something solo, but still, 3 geared players spending a solid 20 minutes chasing me back and forth on the zone line was pretty lame.

I know, I'm just saying that it's not any kind of stretch to imagine that those players would spend 20 minutes working down into a dungeon for no other reason than to disrupt your xping as well. There's nowhere that you are going to be SAFE if a few raid geared 60's decide that you're not having fun today.

[Tenlaar]

its true, I mean hell I love blue... I just wish the "great community" on blue, wouldnt shit all over their red pals.

It just shows that they think less of themselves and are embarrassed or jellous of red players.

Yall should embrace both our servers and stop your fricking endless tales of how difficult it is to play on red.

They are tales of why red isn't worth playing on, and almost all of them come down to one thing - the red players. That's why you get shit on, and you saying that every story of how the people on red were awful is some kind of made up propaganda against the server doesn't change anything.

[Nixtar]

why is it up to red to act like well adjusted people when nobody on blue acts that way?

You have no players, figure it out.

[mickmoranis]

Its so absurd to me that people out there... people that play on p99... are like, 'you have no normal players and red players are jerks and crazy'

yall fuckers are all fuckn nuts

[Lhancelot]

Its so absurd to me that people out there... people that play on p99... are like, 'you have no normal players and red players are jerks and crazy'

yall fuckers are all fuckn nuts

It's nothing personal, it's just simpler to generalize all red players as degenerate, awful, misanthropic players.

***Kind of like how you generalize all blue players as "fuckn nuts."

[mickmoranis]

sigh

you seem to be dedicated to being right, im sorry your irl is so bad that you have to be such a scummer on an elf sim.

but please tell me how were bad again.

[Lhancelot]

sigh

you seem to be dedicated to being right, im sorry your irl is so bad that you have to be such a scummer on an elf sim.

but please tell me how were bad again.

Seeing you have grown angry and taken to insulting me IRL (which hurts my feelings I am very sensitive btw,) I will be honest with you.

I personally don't care what people have written about red or the players there. All the horror stories, true or false mean nothing to me.

My reason for not playing on red is because it has no population. It hardly has 100 active players on it at peak time.

This is awful. It's desolate bro. Dead.

Normally when something is dead, we bury it and move on. For some macabre reason Rogean keeps this husk of a corpse going though.

They really should just bury this dead server already so the 20 wishful red p99 people stop staring at it, hoping that one day it will return back to life.

Then again, this dead server gives some people a real purpose. Maybe for their livelihood, it needs to go on till we all dead and buried ourselves.

[mickmoranis]

Normally when something is dead, we bury it and move on

You're arguing with me on an emulated server of a dead game

You're arguing with me on an emulated server of a dead game

You're arguing with me on an emulated server of a dead game

You're arguing with me on an emulated server of a dead game

You're arguing with me on an emulated server of a dead game

[tnttoken]

Bump

[stormlord]

I do think Vallon/Tallon Zek were better. Wasn't it the case those on the same team couldn't attack each other? Either way, it was more controlled PvP on top of hte level limit, making it friendlier. I think it was also more RP-oriented.

I think with the pops being so low on red, maybe htey should try a team server.

Keep in mind my PvP server of choice was Sullon Zek. I loved that server. I did have some alts on Vallon/Tallon. But to be curt, I liked hte mayhem on Sullon. It was a special thing to be able to kill and be killed by anybody.

If it were me, I might alternatively setup a top 100 page for those who kill others the most, and also organize by guild. I know numbers can be a probelm, but you got to remember PvPer's are very competitive and love numbers. It's worth noting you don't get high numbers if you kill somebody lower level than yourself. You also can't kill the same player repeatedly for points.

Back in the day, eqplayers.com kept PvP stats for all the PvP servers. It was part of the fun.

Beyond that, it might also be worth wiping the PvP servers now and then. I've noticed in PvP MMO's wiping is a tool increasingly used to combat the wealth of top guilds. It resets the field, giving everybody a more equal chance. In Everquest it has an even bigger relevance, since twinks are commonly made to prey on the leveling population. A wipe eliminate them.

One of the probelms with server wiping is when the server is approaching a wipe players may lose interest and wait for the wipe to finish before playing. This can be countered by only announcing the wipe date a week early and not making it too predictable when it'll occur. There migjht be other methods. Server wiping as a tool to counter unfair fights is still evolving.

[Lhancelot]

Keep in mind my PvP server of choice was Sullon Zek. I loved that server. But to be curt, I liked hte mayhem on Sullon. It was a special thing to be able to kill and be killed by anybody.


Well, I think you mean RZ or Rallos Zek. RZ allowed you to attack anyone, period. SZ was teams, goods, newts, and evils.

SZ you were limited with who you could attack, being limited by the fact you could not attack your own team.

Later on they combined servers I believe, into Zek. And, it carried the rules of RZ iirc, allowing you to attack anyone.

[stormlord]

Well, I think you mean RZ or Rallos Zek. RZ allowed you to attack anyone, period. SZ was teams, goods, newts, and evils.

SZ you were limited with who you could attack, being limited by the fact you could not attack your own team.

Later on they combined servers I believe, into Zek. And, it carried the rules of RZ iirc, allowing you to attack anyone.
Hmm yes Sullon Zek had teams, I forgot. I can't recall whether we could attack each other on the same team. But I know for a fact there were no level limits. So a max level could kill a level 6. The "Play Nice" rules also were not active on Sullon Zek, as they were on all other PvP servers, so you could train others repeatedly and even bind camp them. It wasn't easy. I remember being hunted in Blackburrow as a noob. PvP was very common, so even if we were part of a team and in home territory, it's not like I was playing in a safe zone.

More information here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030801121534/http://eqlive.station.sony.com/library/special_servers.jsp

(There was a larger exp hit on PvP deaths as well)

I started on Rallos Zek when I first played EQ in 1999. When I came back in 2001 I started on Tallon/Vallon and eventually Sullon. I periodically revisited Tallon/Vallon, but spent most of my time on Sullon. I didn't like the Zek merge.

From playability standpoint, I do think a team-server would be a good path to go for this red server.

[MiRo2]

Tallon/Vallon were also +/- 8 levels for PvP range.

[tnttoken]

Bump

[Lhancelot]

Just wanted to say I've been having an ice blast playing my shaman, thanks again to MiRo2 for selling me the arctic wyvern set and Fandango for the lend on the poison wind censer.

If anyone has a level 20ish character they want to work on during offpeak hours lmk <3

Sure, come to Blue.