New Raiding rules for ToV & Kael ... Why?

[Sarl]

Everything is in the title, anyone in the mind of Sirken and could explain me that Decision?

Thanks!

[Caiu]

People have been whining about wanting instant engages since those rules were put into place. Maybe binds are getting removed next patch and they are preparing for that? /shrug

[Rygar]

I was curious upon reading all ToV / Tormax / Statue rules removed. What does that mean? Foot races no longer a thing but FTE is still respected? (i.e. can camp on spawn points for FTE?)

Was done super early in the morning too... perhaps Sirken got fed up with angry Petition/LawyerQuesters?

[Caiu]

if anything this will result in an uptick of angry Petition/Lawyerquest.

[Skew]

No rules = No CSR? Thatll be fun.

Otherwise it'll be like Noble or Lodi. Spam pet attack. Just need to have your raid force all poopsocking with you for 16 hours. Just in time for Summer lol

[Rygar]

Well 1hr engage is no longer a thing it seems, so pet attacking in ToV to get FTE doesn't seem to do a thing. Would need to have force parked at the spawn point for engage (unlikely) or at zone in (likely), and the pull team essentially tracking to do the pull before anyone else.

[Spyder73]

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Pulling ToV dragons to the zone in/out can take a lot more than 30 seconds... I foresee a lot of unintentional "stalling" coming into play?

CONCEDE FGTS

[Capi]

Excited for another solid day of RNF

[Spyder73]

For those of you who are wondering, this change will definitely make the raid scene "more hardcore". Its going to waste a lot more peoples time than the footrace system because now the entire raid has to be ready to log in at a moments notice. I think the days of rapid CoTH botting are back upon us =(

Old System - Aftermath gets FTE - yay! - now we have 1 hour to casually log in characters, send batphones, dick around setting up CH chain, wait on people to arrive, send people out to get in position to train mobs around ToV, ect, ect. 1 hour is a good amount of time.

New System - During windows for mobs you want the entire raid has to basically be sitting at the login screen ready to log in within 20 seconds of the mob spawning. "Has to" because that's what A/A will turn it into. Burn out will increase, but maybe that's the point.

Finding light in the darkness - If this doesn't lead to a rotation I am not sure what will. Will Deotxx and Breaken let the filthy casual in? Or will it be 2-3 guild domination? The casual is Detoxx's most hated creature so I'd imagine the latter.

[Comoc1]

Lol Sirkens keepin things interesting around here. Instant pulls won't be a thing for most mobs. I feel this, along with the leashing change, is an attempt to nudge the community to agree to a rotation. Guilds are just gonna be cothing around ToV to kill shit again. This is gonna be fun.

Hooray no more racing and staring at the wall an lockouts.. fuck ya.

[nhdjoseywales]

Phinny points and laughs

[kotton05]

Pras Sirken!

[Pokesan]

sirken don't like not getting to suspend A/A

gonna burn em out instead

pras

[kotton05]

Lol Sirkens keepin things interesting around here. Instant pulls won't be a thing for most mobs. I feel this, along with the leashing change, is an attempt to nudge the community to agree to a rotation. Guilds are just gonna be cothing around ToV to kill shit again. This is gonna be fun.

Hooray no more racing and staring at the wall an lockouts.. fuck ya.

There will be more^ lol now the shitters just can't inflate their dkp

[xKoopa]

Id think this was awesome if i still played

Raiding was alot more fun when it was instant. Log in, kill dragon, log out. Casual warm body heaven right here


Sucks for poopsockers tho lol

[Samoht]

Pertinent:

Q15: Are either of my two trackers allowed to get FTE?
A: Absolutely not. If one of your trackers gains FTE, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob.

Q16: Are we allowed to bind at raid mobs? And/or camp out toons at raid mobs?
A: Absolutely not.

[Rygar]

Either way, server drama = nom nom. Looking forward to see what happens with this.

[Caiu]

Not sure why Detoxx wants care lol. your guilds been struggling hard in comparison to AW. good luck getting no drops without teaming up with them.

[Caiu]

care != matter

[heyokah]

Jesus christ, the top nerds around here still NEED to kill dragons the second they spawn. I mean for real, how do you do that for multiple years and not be driven to macequest IRL.

[Comoc1]

Caiu you don't kill anything and you don't know shit. Everyone who reads your posts know it to. You should really do yourself a favor and stop posting and find something more productive to do... like figure out how to snipe some more recharges.

[Caiu]

your constant replying and refutation implies otherwise but ok :)

[Triiz]

Jesus christ, the top nerds around here still NEED to kill dragons the second they spawn. I mean for real, how do you do that for multiple years and not be driven to macequest IRL.

[Comoc1]

your constant replying and refutation implies otherwise but ok :)

You're like the liberal media. Constant fake news.

[Rang]

Everqueste in 2017

[Caiu]

lol who woulda thought qn engineer with poor social skills would be an ayn rand adherent. http://i.imgur.com/NHiCF9w.gif

[Troxx]

Jesus christ, the top nerds around here still NEED to kill dragons the second they spawn. I mean for real, how do you do that for multiple years and not be driven to macequest IRL.

[Crom]

New rules + leashing = rofl

biggest diffrence between AA and the rest is the time it takes to get to get killing part.

This is basicly a "FU casuals" change.

Wonder what this will do for the population of the project.

[Zemus]

I for one am looking forward to the next cycle. Should be fun.

[Skew]

Sounds like staff want more people to quit for Agnarr then.

[branamil]

Foot races for FTE were the most absurd system you could think of. If you were new to the game it would make you laugh out loud for how ridiculous it is. Suited run into a dragon, die immediately, and its "yours"? Stupid and bizarre.

[branamil]

Suicide*

[Caiu]

So I guess with the new change pre-parking becomes the what decides a mobs fate. Basically this seems like a good change for casuals if they can respond to batphones and have one tracker. Besides TOV anyways I think that will remain the relatively exlusive realm of the haardocre.

[Dirkus]

Maybe Sirken wants the players to reach some sort of agreement. Such an optimist.

[Pokesan]

Maybe Sirken wants the players to reach some sort of agreement. Such an optimist.

Hope is a mistake.

[Papa]

New System[/B] - During windows for mobs you want the entire raid has to basically be sitting at the login screen ready to log in within 20 seconds of the mob spawning. "Has to" because that's what A/A will turn it into. Burn out will increase, but maybe that's the point.


the server will always cater to these individuals, because that's where they make the cheddar

[FatMice]

Damn. I am happy to see races are gone.

[Legday]

An education for you douche knots...

The way this worked (with variations depending on ntov vs. wtov vs. hot spawn) before the race rules were in place was that a mage would be hidden in a non line of sight location near the dragon in window and cast CoTH on a monk that was locket bound at west exit, with a TL box or gate pot. The monk gets FTE and takes that TL box/clicks pot and the dragon starts marching all the way to west exit (active FTE) and is either tagged towards the entrance while all of the trash continues to west exit or is pulled to west exit while the trash is peeled back north (usually in the west wing) depending on which location your raid is set up. The whole thing takes somewhere between 45 seconds and 2.5 minutes, depending on where the dragon spawns, from the cast of the coth to the CHs landing on a tank vs. an unslowed dragon. FTE never breaks and the dragon has to come straight to your camp or you're stalling.

It took a ton of coordination between the pull team, the players tagging trash, the train up, the CH chain being made on the fly, the tank(s), the slows, etc.

Only a few of these players would be at their keyboard/logged in when the mob spawns, and the rest filter in during the pull or after the engage via wakeup channel or batphone.

2 huge factors to how this is way more difficult in June 2017 compared to late 2015/early 2016:

1. People aren't as in to the whole deal any more. It's going to be a huge task for the leadership of any guild to convince 30-50 players, hardcore and casual alike, to get their asses in gear on such short notice. It was one thing in the Rampage v. F/A days when Velious was exciting and new. It is a completely different raid scene with already near burnt out players now.

2. The lazy agro mechanic turns makes the FTE and pull much more difficult. Only 2 guilds (A/A) can even do it on command at the moment and it requires several minutes of coordination and knowledge of the mechanics from multiple players. Doing it instantly outside of US primetime is going to be nearly impossible.

I foresee mages set up by A/A. They'll coth their pullers in and wait for the support to arrive and set up, and then go in for the pull. Kind of like waiting to engage Trak or Yeli until the right classes/players are in position. Petitions and stall calls will once again lead to suspensions.

Either that or Detoxx and Breaken will come to an agreement and continue to have fun cooperating. Casuals will continue to pound sand.

Tldr: Its gonna be tough for A/A players and be 100% impossible for anybody else to kill anything else in NToV or Doze, unless A/A is suspended.

[Jaxon]

Sirken just swept all the table scraps into the trash. The good lords of the realm offered you peasants a seat at their table but you turned up your nose and now you're back in your mud cottage eating dirt cakes.

[Lobus]

going to love all the lvl 51 plvl'd monks in no guild that are going to be flopping around ToV training and messing up pulls... shit I might start one just to fuck with A/A.

CASUALS BURNING IT TO THE GROUND

BURN IT ALL

[Nibblewitz]

One more gust of wind in their sails before the ship runs aground

[Pokesan]

Damn. I am happy to see races are gone.

don't bring off topic to RNF pls

[FatMice]

Love Legday's post. I only hope now is that a casual entity decides to farm during mobs in cycle. I really hope a farm squad forms. Caiu would you take up arms?

[Cecily]

I've been asking rustle to do that since I joined them.

[Caiu]

you have my fists

[mattydef]

I don't know if you guys have looked around lately but there are no more "casual raiding guilds" left on the server currently that can do any of the higher end content. I could be wrong but I know Anon/FOH/Venerate are pretty much all gone, I don't see or hear much of CSG either. That leaves AA/Rustle and then...veloci shift/kittens/clue/paradox/savage?

[dafier]

I miss the good ol' days when BDA would swoop in and save this thread and P99.

now all you have is poop piled up on moar poop.

melting cocks and smoking towers :(

[Detoxx]

Dunno bout u guys but I just went 38 and 12 with 10 MVPs on Cache....

[FatMice]

Dunno bout u guys but I just went 38 and 12 with 10 MVPs on Cache....

Still not going outside I see.

[Papa]

good thing an important mob wasn't in window so you had the freedom to do something else with your life

[Maner]

Pras Sirken!

Now rustle will never get a kill, unless they go on a recruitment rampage in order to get enough bodies to have a raid force ready to log in.

sirken don't like not getting to suspend A/A

gonna burn em out instead

pras

The system we have right now causes more burnout actually. It requires more tracking hours and more racers than instant pulls ever did.

For those of you who are wondering, this change will definitely make the raid scene "more hardcore". Its going to waste a lot more peoples time than the footrace system because now the entire raid has to be ready to log in at a moments notice. I think the days of rapid CoTH botting are back upon us =(

Old System - Aftermath gets FTE - yay! - now we have 1 hour to casually log in characters, send batphones, dick around setting up CH chain, wait on people to arrive, send people out to get in position to train mobs around ToV, ect, ect. 1 hour is a good amount of time.

New System - During windows for mobs you want the entire raid has to basically be sitting at the login screen ready to log in within 20 seconds of the mob spawning. "Has to" because that's what A/A will turn it into. Burn out will increase, but maybe that's the point.

Finding light in the darkness - If this doesn't lead to a rotation I am not sure what will. Will Deotxx and Breaken let the filthy casual in? Or will it be 2-3 guild domination? The casual is Detoxx's most hated creature so I'd imagine the latter.

This change actually takes us back to the old system and gets rid of the new system. This is something A/A has been asking for. Why would a change that locks the casual guilds out of targets even more force A/A into a rotation?

Pulling ToV dragons to the zone in/out can take a lot more than 30 seconds... I foresee a lot of unintentional "stalling" coming into play?

CONCEDE FGTS

Instant engages were a thing before, calls of stalking only happened when the dragon started going west or back north instead of to the zone in. If you haven't ever participated sometimes it's best to just keep quiet.

[FatMice]

The best thing about this is that Maner considers himself a casual. What are you like during your 9-5?

[Maner]

Love Legday's post. I only hope now is that a casual entity decides to farm during mobs in cycle. I really hope a farm squad forms. Caiu would you take up arms?

How low you have fallen....

The best thing about this is that Maner considers himself a casual. What are you like during your 9-5?

Under 20% RA pretty much proves I'm a casual. Unlike you I guess, forum quest doesn't affect me emotionally so it has no bearing on my 9-5. Listening to people like you make stuff up and look like a fool is just pure entertainment to get me through the day.

[Uuruk]

who cares velious locked server. If you are still playing here for the raiding scene you have issues.

[FatMice]

The irony in your post must be lost on you.

What did I make up? You believe you are casual. The issue is the subjectivity of what you think casual means and people who know they actually play a video game casually.

Nothing subjective about your reading comprehension tho.

[Tankdan]

This is how P99 should be. Next step C/R/FFA.

Prepare your Fraps.

[Naethyn]

Welcome back to an actual competition boys - we deserve it.

[Maner]

The irony in your post must be lost on you.

What did I make up? You believe you are casual. The issue is the subjectivity of what you think casual means and people who know they actually play a video game casually.

Nothing subjective about your reading comprehension tho.

So you're calling me casual based on your personal opinion and definition. I guess you're time in rustle reality hasn't helped you...

Casual to me means I attend raids and respond to batphones when it doesn't inconvenience me. Meaning I don't wake up at all hours, I don't use my phone as a hot spot and raid from my car. If I am at home playing another game and I get a batphone I will probably log on using my 3rd monitor in order to get dkp and RA.

You made up your own definition of casual. At least try to keep up rather than reaching out to people like Caiu, it just looks pathetic.

In fact you always had a higher RA than I did when you were still in AM, before you left and drank the rustle koolaid and started butt buddying with Caiu, so who is the actual casual?

[Naethyn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbKQ7nXx0o8

[welly321]

Casual to me means I attend raids and respond to batphones when it doesn't inconvenience me. Meaning I don't wake up at all hours, I don't use my phone as a hot spot and raid from my car.

LMAO do people actually do that?

[Fifield]

I might actually log in now!

about fucking time got rid of that shit 1 hr rule

[FatMice]

You came so far from the Indig days my monk friend. Sorry to see it.

For the record there isn't any Rustle Kool-Aid. I wish there was but there isn't.

Unlike you, I am not on any batphone nor will I ever again. Does that make me a hardcore casual?! Fuck.

[Maner]

LMAO do people actually do that?

When velious first hit there were a few people who would pull over on the highway and hot spot raid from their cars.

[FatMice]

I might actually log in now!

about fucking time got rid of that shit 1 hr rule

No you won't. If you went through with your marriage EQ game over.

[Maner]

You came so far from the Indig days my monk friend. Sorry to see it.

For the record there isn't any Rustle Kool-Aid. I wish there was but there isn't.

Unlike you, I am not on any batphone nor will I ever again. Does that make me a hardcore casual?! Fuck.

So being on a batphone means you can't play casually? It's still my choice which BPs i respond to. I laugh in the mornings when I see 15 missed batphones

[Uuruk]

Welcome back to an actual competition boys - we deserve it.

Woo competition on server with what 5 years of Kunark and a million years of Velious

[Maner]

You came so far from the Indig days my monk friend. Sorry to see it.

For the record there isn't any Rustle Kool-Aid. I wish there was but there isn't.

Unlike you, I am not on any batphone nor will I ever again. Does that make me a hardcore casual?! Fuck.

I didn't even have my monk in indignation. Keep the koolaid comin

[RedXIII]

This is very good for A/A. Let the best coordinated pulling guild wins.

Pras Sirken for killing the casual guilds in ToV/Kael. \o/

[Ella`Ella]

Pras Sirken for killing the casual guilds in ToV/Kael. \o/

They don't belong in ToV/Kael anyways...

If I had my way, they wouldn't be allowed outside of Velk's.

[Fasttimes]

They don't belong in ToV/Kael anyways...

If I had my way, they wouldn't be allowed outside of Velk's.

I agree filthy casuals, go back to your vindi and hot raids.

[FatMice]

I didn't even have my monk in indignation. Keep the koolaid comin

You're reading comprehension is shining again. I didn't say your monk was in Indignation.

[Pokesan]

When velious first hit there were a few people who would pull over on the highway and hot spot raid from their cars.

that's very sad, but not doing so is a poor definition of casual.

[Krashin]

So you're calling me casual based on your personal opinion and definition. I guess you're time in rustle reality hasn't helped you...



How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

[Linksfather]

Maybe Sirken wants the players to reach some sort of agreement. Such an optimist.

I can see an agreement being made between AW and Aftermath. But CSG better not be a part of it. ONLY because they don't even show up to try. They complain until Sirken hands it to them.
This is just a ploy to get awaken and aftermath to get in trouble so that Sirken can ban them. Then CSG can get dragons.

[Fasttimes]

I can see an agreement being made between AW and Aftermath. But CSG better not be a part of it. ONLY because they don't even show up to try. They complain until Sirken hands it to them.
This is just a ploy to get awaken and aftermath to get in trouble so that Sirken can ban them. Then CSG can get dragons.

Still chain annulling vulak ?

[Nexii]

Stalling rules never made sense to me. It's okay to pull ToV dragons to zone in but not targets like Trakanon or Venril Sathir.

Tracker rules are equally inane. Why have limits on the numbers that can camp out on a boss if CoTH is allowed anyways? Isn't CoTHing in a raid force pretty much equivalent to just camping on the boss? It creates a situation where everything is pulled to zone in because players won't want to be flagged as 'trackers' if another dragon pops after a clear is started.

[Maner]

You're reading comprehension is shining again. I didn't say your monk was in Indignation.

My main is a necro, my monk wasn't even created while I was in indignation

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

Auto correct I guess, posting via mobile has its set backs

[Linksfather]

Still chain annulling vulak ?

That was a bad day....we dont talk about that day.... :o

[Twochain]

Dunno bout u guys but I just went 38 and 12 with 10 MVPs on Cache....

Rank?

[kotton05]

That was a bad day....we dont talk about that day.... :o

I swear I would of gotten hung for your sins if the GM's didn't clear it up

[kotton05]

Oh double post just to tell toxx no score would impress me in csgo unless he can show me his RWS is above 12.... if you don't know what that is you're still fish food.

[radda]

caiu , please stfu. you are a non factor and a moe ran

[Bohab]

Now remove binding in ToV please.

[Daldaen]

Now remove binding in ToV please.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2423134&postcount=154

Praise be.

[FatMice]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2423134&postcount=154

Praise be.

Blessed be the fruit?!

[Linksfather]

I swear I would of gotten hung for your sins if the GM's didn't clear it up

I went LD and Annul was in my top spell slot. Apparently while waiting for the game to world kick me, it decided to sit there and LD chain cast Annul Magic on Vulak for 2 minutes.
I had no idea until a few days later when Angel told me about it.

[Fasttimes]

I went LD and Annul was in my top spell slot. Apparently while waiting for the game to world kick me, it decided to sit there and LD chain cast Annul Magic on Vulak for 2 minutes.
I had no idea until a few days later when Angel told me about it.

New vulak stat. I can just imagine TS asking why is this not slowed

[Caiu]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2423134&postcount=154

Praise be.

ToV can finally move out of beta after that's done. pras.

[Nitsude]

Agnarr's stock goes up another 10%

[Rang]

What casual guilds are still left on this server that compete for raid mobs? I'm confused because I keep seeing all these references to "casuals". It's A/A/R .... that's it; locked in Velious, forever.

[Triiz]

Lol we just had 50 pages of "Casuals never get any mobs, take our agreement" now the same people like "Casuals wont be getting any mobs now!"

Most of the casuals left on this server don't give a fuck about your dragon pixels. If they did they would either be apping your guild or starting Agnarr. Unreal you guys can't see that by now


CASUALS BURNING IT TO THE GROUND

BURN IT ALL

[skarlorn]

Lol this is really gonna fuck some people's lives up

Well done, Sirken. Let the pigs eat the poison if they can't Control their appetites

[Cecily]

Yep. What we had in place was the most sensible compromise of sanity in this horrible raid scene and it's a straight up stupid move to go back to instant pulls. Enjoy the extra CSR time I guess. I'm glad it's gonna help burn out A/A more, they deserve every bit of this self-imposed hell, but you made raiding even less accessible that it was to the majority of the server. Bad call.

[Tankdan]

Lol this is really gonna fuck some people's lives up


Best change ever. I might actually log into ToV/Kael to watch it unfold (I won't).

[Maner]

Yep. What we had in place was the most sensible compromise of sanity in this horrible raid scene and it's a straight up stupid move to go back to instant pulls. Enjoy the extra CSR time I guess. I'm glad it's gonna help burn out A/A more, they deserve every bit of this self-imposed hell, but you made raiding even less accessible that it was to the majority of the server. Bad call.

you mean instead of answering a batphone and waiting 45min-1hr for a dead dragon it will be dead in 15min tops? That is sure going to burn me out even faster

[Tankdan]

Yep. What we had in place was the most sensible compromise of sanity in this horrible raid scene and it's a straight up stupid move to go back to instant pulls.

A/A tried to circumvent the P99 GM Interventionism by making their own rotation agreement, thus ending much of petitionquest while still keeping pixels in their pockets only. I've said it all along... That's not how things work 'round here. Guilds WILL be suspended, guilds WILL be punished, and you can't do anything about it. Heck you basically slapped GMs in the face by doing what you did. I am expecting many suspensions in the next few months to make up for what y'all did!

[Caiu]

A/A tried to circumvent the P99 GM Interventionism by making their own rotation agreement, thus ending much of petitionquest while still keeping pixels in their pockets only. I've said it all along... That's not how things work 'round here. Guilds WILL be suspended, guilds WILL be punished, and you can't do anything about it. Heck you basically slapped GMs in the face by doing what you did. I am expecting many suspensions in the next few months to make up for what y'all did!

what are you babbling about lol Cecily isnt in A/A?

[Euth]

Almost makes me want to play again

[Capi]

you mean instead of answering a batphone and waiting 45min-1hr for a dead dragon it will be dead in 15min tops? That is sure going to burn me out even faster

Suddenly your guild just got 2-3 times faster at killing merbz

[Tankdan]

what are you babbling about lol Cecily isnt in A/A?

No shit. (You) implies A/A. The topic I was discussing, and all.

[Maner]

Suddenly your guild just got 2-3 times faster at killing merbz

No, the rules changed and we are back to instant pulls which means you have the mob dead or you are dead within 15min or its spawn. Clearly you are new here.

[Mud]

Great change, should be fun.

[supermonk]

so if nilbog removes tov binds, will the pulls be super hard?

[Maner]

so if nilbog removes tov binds, will the pulls be super hard?

Harder that is for sure, but not impossible. Would just take more people being involved in the actual pull to secondary

[Vianna]

No. You can still do the exact same pulls with mages.

[schnickusaurus]

Hahaha

This is so obvious why do you need a full thread about it?

1) noone likes AA, not even the staff
2) this rule is to pressure you away to Agnarr
3) you will not leave, however you will want to merge into one A (a hole) guild

Have fun splitting loots and wiping more on some of the more difficult raid encounters.

This is great news :)

[radda]

Hahaha

Have fun splitting loots and wiping more on some of the more difficult raid encounters.

This is great news :)

rofl
hows that plat treating you?

[Uuruk]

You guys still log into p99 to raid. Evaluate your life decisions.

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/dLfPsSw.png

[Uuruk]

http://i.imgur.com/gi6p9Xs.jpg

well?

Well I haven't spammed the forums with 40,000 posts so I think I have that going for me.

What do you do here?

[Papa]

I help people on the forums who have questions, I have written for the wiki, I jewelcraft for new starters on red, I post gifs for everyone to enjoy, I even make some sometimes. Among other things :)

...you? :o

you've also incited hatred, posted gore, and used homophobic slurs you cherry picking mong

[Phenyo]

Didnt read any of this shit

swish triggered as per

[Lhancelot]

you've also incited hatred, posted gore, and used homophobic slurs you cherry picking mong

What hate did he incite, and in what context did he use homophobic slurs? Man, if these things are true my opinion is going to sink even lower for Swish.

I liked the Swish I thought I knew before; the cat-loving, free-spirited helpful internet nerd that made cute gifs with cats.

If these allegations are true I am done with you Swish. Please say these awful things aren't true. :(

[Mead]

Swish has memory loss when someone else remembers his shenanigans and at the same time claims to be a p99 historian himself. Funny guy

[Caiu]

What hate did he incite, and in what context did he use homophobic slurs? Man, if these things are true my opinion is going to sink even lower for Swish.

I liked the Swish I thought I knew before; the cat-loving, free-spirited helpful internet nerd that made cute gifs with cats.

If these allegations are true I am done with you Swish. Please say these awful things aren't true. :(

they are true but no one is innocent on a long enough timeline ive come to find here.

[Papa]

putting up a serious defense of character on an elf sim forum that never forgets lol

[Papa]

inb4 20k posts

[Lhancelot]

they are true but no one is innocent on a long enough timeline ive come to find here.

Well in the context of these three things I can assure you I am and will always be innocent. I won't post gore, I won't post homophobic slurs, and I won't incite hatred. :p

[skarlorn]

If u rnt inciting hatred what u doing on RNF

[Nybras]

How will players get in to plane of mischief when mages cannot bind within ToV ?

[Lhancelot]

If u rnt inciting hatred what u doing on RNF

nerd on nerd chat.

[Pokesan]

How will players get in to plane of mischief when mages cannot bind within ToV ?

very carefully

[Zemus]

How will players get in to plane of mischief when mages cannot bind within ToV ?

Some combination of necro train, bard da, and da idol.

[Caiu]

They won't be able to coth in low levels due to pather but should be fine otherwise.