Nerf low nr / high gear raid (mostly A/A)

[schnickusaurus]

Hi,

I would like the server staff to look into the possibility to nerf the gamebreaking situation:
A/A with great gear but with an aweful low amount of raid members taking down fun raid targets (example: Vindi, fear golems, chardok queen, etc ie mobs that are hot to casuals)

Thank you for doing a great job staff! I see the above kinda like when A/A duod monk epic mob Xenovorash in loio with monk+priest, ie you really need to set some general block to this A/A gamebreaking activity which is highly relevant now that they have overgeared themselves.

Lets put abit more pressure on them for the joy of the server lot alright?

Yours sincerely,

Schnickusaurus

[Whirled]

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[Liia]

All that stuff was already being done during Kunark. You are 6 years late.

[Baler]

Ugh I hate to post like this in Server Chat. But Schnickusaurus is a known EC flipper. Sounds like he's trying to make more plat.

On topic these things have been adjusted and tweaked to match what evidence shows is classic. So unless there if proof something is not classic or something could be more classic. There is no problem atm. *shrugs*

edit: And people use Guards on Xenovorash let's not lie to ourselves..

[Lhancelot]

Ugh I hate to post like this in Server Chat. But Schnickusaurus is a known EC flipper. Sounds like he's trying to make more plat.


Schnick created a well-meaning thread with nothing but heartfelt, genuine concern for the server and you question him and his motives? smh.

Schnick, if indeed it is proven that the balance of loot is not being fairly distributed to all p99ers AND being monopolized by A/A or anyone for that matter, I am sure the staff will take care of it ASAP.

Bravo for bringing this monumental issue to the forefront, and not being afraid to shine a light on the possible injustices bestowed upon the casuals of p99.

A true hero, you are.

[BirryDaKir]

What exactly are you asking? What could you nerf that only affects A/A? Dragons such as trak and tal are being left up for many hours uncontested while you sit in the tunnel. Perhaps if you spent more time raiding and less time TunnelQuesting you might see more raid content.

[radda]

OP makes no sense

[Valura]

not classic

[Jimjam]

People in these guilds would still like to earn epics for themselves/alts/friends. Or to sell so they can buy (Bristlebane knows what?).

There are some frustrating bottlenecks in the game, but at least these mobs are turned over quickly so the maximum number of items are entering the game. I don't think these MQs/items tend to go unused.

It's a shame some top end quest items are on low tier bosses, meaning the bosses never stop being attractive, so get denied to lower end forces. But that's the game design.

I think in the past there may have been tiers of raiding based on (pre)epic and post epic quality drops, or something.

[branamil]

Artful troll OP, just stupid and earnest enough to be believable.

[Jimjam]

Disable all MQ and flag all but tradeskill and vendor items no-drop.

I think OP will be much happier with that!

[schnickusaurus]

I dont have proof
I understand your mistrust in me (i deserve it i guess)
What i want is staff to investigate this:

'Are you okay with A/A 5-6manning chardok Queen and sell it for plat? Just 5-6 manning it is wrong. Are you okay with A/A 1-2 manning dragon epic drops? Are you okay with A/A insta pulling fear golems with a meager 6man down from 25+man year 2015-2016?'

Things change and i see a Dark future for A/A. Their greed will be outrun by their reputation (i know what im talking about) unless they get destroyed by RMT even before that.

Agnarr and spread out cycles aint their problem. They think so, but they are fools to think that.

[Nibblewitz]

Is Schnik calling other people greedy? This thread will go swimmingly for him. Again.

[Spyder73]

I dont have proof
I understand your mistrust in me (i deserve it i guess)
What i want is staff to investigate this:

'Are you okay with A/A 5-6manning chardok Queen and sell it for plat? Just 5-6 manning it is wrong. Are you okay with A/A 1-2 manning dragon epic drops? Are you okay with A/A insta pulling fear golems with a meager 6man down from 25+man year 2015-2016?'

Things change and i see a Dark future for A/A. Their greed will be outrun by their reputation (i know what im talking about) unless they get destroyed by RMT even before that.

Agnarr and spread out cycles aint their problem. They think so, but they are fools to think that.

I'm pretty sure there is a video out there of Hokushin soloing Ragefire....

You are actually completely right in your thinking, and guess what? Verant/Sony also thought the same as you. Their solution was cats on the moon. So if these classic problems bother you I suggest moving along.

[fadetree]

I dont have proof
Things change and i see a Dark future for A/A. Their greed will be outrun by their reputation (i know what im talking about) unless they get destroyed by RMT even before that.
Agnarr and spread out cycles aint their problem. They think so, but they are fools to think that.

If that's the case then why worry about it? If your prophecies of Doom are true, it will all be over soon for them and you can haz high priced cheezbergers again.

[Loke]

I saw a twink in a fungi solo a camp that usually takes a full group, the GMs must do something to regulate this! Players with good gear shouldn't be able to do more than a naked character of the same level. In the spirit of fairness, please ban and remove all equipment from the game. Clearly equipment is an unfair advantage to those who don't have it!

[wwoneo]

I saw a twink in a fungi solo a camp that usually takes a full group, the GMs must do something to regulate this! Players with good gear shouldn't be able to do more than a naked character of the same level. In the spirit of fairness, please ban and remove all equipment from the game. Clearly equipment is an unfair advantage to those who don't have it!

Wipe it clean 2017!

[Maner]

People in these guilds would still like to earn epics for themselves/alts/friends. Or to sell so they can buy (Bristlebane knows what?).

There are some frustrating bottlenecks in the game, but at least these mobs are turned over quickly so the maximum number of items are entering the game. I don't think these MQs/items tend to go unused.

It's a shame some top end quest items are on low tier bosses, meaning the bosses never stop being attractive, so get denied to lower end forces. But that's the game design.

I think in the past there may have been tiers of raiding based on (pre)epic and post epic quality drops, or something.
Because putting epic quest items on top tier bosses would help smaller guilds how?

[Jimjam]

Not sure if that was a reading or writing fail, but I did not mean to suggest putting epic items on top tier bosses as a custom change.

[Legday]

Are you okay with A/A 5-6manning chardok Queen and sell it for plat?

This is outrageous. We 3 man that bitch and to imply we need 5-6 is slanderous.

Brb gonna delete some NToV loot that I've replaced with better NToV loot.

[Thermite]

I'm pretty sure there is a video out there of Hokushin soloing Ragefire....

You are actually completely right in your thinking, and guess what? Verant/Sony also thought the same as you. Their solution was cats on the moon. So if these classic problems bother you I suggest moving along.

also a good video of detox soloing him too but besides the point dude is a tunnel rat mad cause his profit has been cut into by guilds .... I know lots of a/a members and all very good people and to point finger at RMT cause they wanna make plat or duo mobs for alts is pretty absurd and rude ... I think I sense some saltiness on this thread....

[Thermite]

This is outrageous. We 3 man that bitch and to imply we need 5-6 is slanderous.

Brb gonna delete some NToV loot that I've replaced with better NToV loot.

Lol at this still waiting on my nude pics for that helm I gave you leggy!!! 2dkp helm of zek never forget!

[fadetree]

also a good video of detox soloing him too but besides the point dude is a tunnel rat mad cause his profit has been cut into by guilds .... I know lots of a/a members and all very good people and to point finger at RMT cause they wanna make plat or duo mobs for alts is pretty absurd and rude ... I think I sense some saltiness on this thread....

Besides that, as a reseller he should love RMT. People buying mass quantities of plat results in people spending mass quantities of plat in game. On items.

[Legday]

Lol at this still waiting on my nude pics for that helm I gave you leggy!!! 2dkp helm of zek never forget!

<3

[Lhancelot]

I saw a twink in a fungi solo a camp that usually takes a full group, the GMs must do something to regulate this!

Troll aside, this is actually spot on.

Schnick. There are imbalanced matches between players and mobs at every level on p99 due to the amount of plats and items available.

Them gearing up in dragon loots and tackling mobs that should not so easily be beaten is no different than what Loke wrote above, referncing a fungi wearing lowbie that solos an orc camp.

Was it meant to be this way? Nope. Is there anything you can do about it? Nope.

How exactly are the guides going to honestly monitor and control "overgearing" on a locked server anyway?

It's impossible because evenutally the gears are going to overpower the content. it's inevitable on a locked server.

[BirryDaKir]

Single grouping chardok royals isn't something only A/A can do - you just have to have someone who knows how to pull them. Still wondering why someone who has taken advantage so heavily in the free market is trying to get regulations put in when it comes to raiding. This smells like a troll but I can't tell for sure.

[Lhancelot]

Single grouping chardok royals isn't something only A/A can do - you just have to have someone who knows how to pull them. Still wondering why someone who has taken advantage so heavily in the free market is trying to get regulations put in when it comes to raiding. This smells like a troll but I can't tell for sure.

He must be trying to finish an epic and feels he is getting cockblocked for a specific piece he needs by these guilds, so he created this thread.

Schnick, just pay the 80k to a guild for the shaman epic like everyone else has to do who isn't in a tear farming guild.

I know it hurts dipping into your 50 million plat stash, but hoping the guides will monitor overgeared players is not going to ever happen on a locked p99 server.

[BirryDaKir]

Not sure what complaining about the chardok royals accomplishes though. They are up 95% of the time and on a 2 hour respawn anyway. Going to be hard to get anyone to help you with your epic if you don't step out of the tunnel once and a while though.

[Lhancelot]

Not sure what complaining about the chardok royals accomplishes though. They are up 95% of the time and on a 2 hour respawn anyway. Going to be hard to get anyone to help you with your epic if you don't step out of the tunnel once and a while though.

I think it's a drysnitch post, to get the attention of the guides and hope they look into not just this particular camp but any epic mob camps that are being farmed with regularity by small groups of overgeared players that run a systematic farming operation.

[BirryDaKir]

I wouldn't be upset if MQs got removed from the game. Would certainly free up a lot of mobs which are otherwise camped to the gills. But this would make it really hard for casual players who don't like raiding to ever get their epics. Would probably hurt OP too as he'd have nothing to spend his mountain of gold on.

[EliteJackson]

I wouldn't be upset if MQs got removed from the game. Would certainly free up a lot of mobs which are otherwise camped to the gills. But this would make it really hard for casual players who don't like raiding to ever get their epics. Would probably hurt OP too as he'd have nothing to spend his mountain of gold on.

This is reasonable. Most of the rest of this forum is not. I don't even know enough poopsock-level EQ pronouns to follow the complaints here, but can see that this is a basic have vs have-not that only communism can solve. Or moon cats. And everyone that ended up here tacitly agreed that moon cats were a bridge too far.

So maybe just relax your b-holes and enjoy the free EQ emulator?

[Jimjam]

this would make it really hard for casual players who don't like raiding to ever get their epics.

Is this a problem? Are epics meant to be a participation trophy?

[fadetree]

This is reasonable. Most of the rest of this forum is not. I don't even know enough poopsock-level EQ pronouns to follow the complaints here, but can see that this is a basic have vs have-not that only communism can solve. Or moon cats. And everyone that ended up here tacitly agreed that moon cats were a bridge too far.

So maybe just relax your b-holes and enjoy the free EQ emulator?

Communism cures the has/has not disparity in the same way that a fatal car crash cures the common cold. It does get rid of it (well, except for the 'party leaders') but the collateral damage is pretty intense.

I agree with your basic advice, though.

[Lagaidh]

Hey! This thread!

The names are new, the content is not. This server is how it is and it's going to stay that way. Well, that's held true for the seven years I've been here. Someone's always at the top, someone's a dick and someone's butthurt.

Immer wieder.

[Lhancelot]

Hey! This thread!
Someone's always at the top, someone's a dick and someone's butthurt.


Isn't that a Socrates quote? ^

[Ravager]

Is this a problem? Are epics meant to be a participation trophy?

I don't think it was meant for a handful of super nerds to have one of every epic either. I'm sure there's a sensible middle ground somewhere between the two extremes.

[Lhancelot]

I don't think it was meant for a handful of super nerds to have one of every epic either. I'm sure there's a sensible middle ground somewhere between the two extremes.

Are super nerds like nerds on steroids?

[Sonark]

Are super nerds like nerds on steroids?

Nerds who become more powerful near a yellow star.

That is, if any of them got sunshine.

[Kesselring]

Ugh I hate to post like this in Server Chat. But Schnickusaurus is a known EC flipper. Sounds like he's trying to make more plat.

On topic these things have been adjusted and tweaked to match what evidence shows is classic. So unless there if proof something is not classic or something could be more classic. There is no problem atm. *shrugs*

edit: And people use Guards on Xenovorash let's not lie to ourselves..

quiet about the xeno stuff! The plebs will find out how easy monk epic is and start farming it!

[Spyder73]

There is no middle ground without a guild rotation for mobs. There is not a way in classic EQ to stop the unemployed from pumping countless hours into the game and becoming more powerful than the casual who plays an hour or two a night and a few hours on the weekend. The only possible solution is that ToV becomes a communal raid zone where all loot is randomed to anyone who is in the zone for the kill, or you force a rotation.

The server would be 1000x better if 'raiding' was abolished and the focus was on leveling. Now that Chardok is gone leveling from 55-60 is pretty time consuming and there is a lack of groups at this level because the elites clique up and the casuals burn out because they are tried of LFG.

Chardok power leveling ruined the server permanently. If/when they do a recycle server I would pray they disable it from jump street so that being level 60 was an actual accomplishment and not something you did one weekend while AFK.

Killing MQing for Epics would be great also

[kotton05]

I owed a friend a favor. Was sitting on his toon when the chardok aoe nerf hit. I was against chardok aoe and never leveled my own toons that way. It was beautiful to see the wipe but like you said the damage from that is done. It Really really congested the top end and allowed many people to get max level without mastering their class.

No need to nerf anything what you're experiencing is classic EQ. Have and have nots. It would be nice if the farmers would pass on some noob showing up for his epic fight/drop.... but without superior people skills you'll prolly be forced to buy it so the goons can pay their rent xD

[Lhancelot]

There is no middle ground without a guild rotation for mobs. There is not a way in classic EQ to stop the unemployed from pumping countless hours into the game and becoming more powerful than the casual who plays an hour or two a night and a few hours on the weekend.

In some ways I find this to be fairly true. The problem with this theory is you are compartmentalizing people into too small of boxes.

There are many people working long hours/employed who have big families that pour tons of time into this game raiding and even tracking mobs for the big raid guilds.

Just as there are unemployed/handicapped/single men and women that have more time at home who do not engage in these activities in the game.

I believe it has little to do with a persons employment status or physical condition that leads to poopsocking and raiding hardcore on this game tracking mobs etc. Some of the most hardcore poopsocking players I have seen on p99 have been employed and even have their own families.

It seems to be a mental aspect driving some players to go hardcore for pixels, not so much just a matter of their employment status etc.

I feel like you are choosing to ignore this, and run this idea/agenda because you and others would like to think someone has to be lesser or inferior to you IRL (in your mind) because your pride won't allow you to think someone who is just like you; employed/family oriented/etc. could possibly be able to poopsock and raid hardcore on p99.

This is the truth. There are many gainfully employed players who are mothers/fathers that find the time in their lives to raid dragons. Whether they are meeting the responsibilities they should with their jobs and families is unknown.

I do agree though, it's too bad there is no way to find a even ground to spread the pixels better.

[kotton05]

I think it's proven norrath doesn't give af about real life^

I'd also like to point out them farming those mobs is really no diff than you (Schnick) farming EC tunnel. Everyone is on a diff quest and it's easy to point the finger at so and so but in the end we are actually alll really similiar ... from csg rustle a/a just diff levels of immersion and goals....

[Spyder73]

I use the phrase 'the unemployed' loosely and more figuratively than literally. I see it as interchangeable with 'neckbeard'. But the fact of the matter is that unless we get consistent server resets (we don't) so that mobs are not in window for 4-5 days a week at all hours of the day/night, then 'the unemployed' starts to become way more literal because 'normal' people can not log in at noon to kill Vulak. Quite frankly unless I ONLY raided, I wouldn't have the RA or any time to level alts and actually enjoy P99, so now I only raid when I want to and am fine knowing my loots will be minimal. People can play however they want, its just the way things currently are suck for anyone with something other than EQ to do.

TLDR - RESET THE F#CKING SERVER SPAWNS

[Lhancelot]

I use the phrase 'the unemployed' loosely and more figuratively than literally. I see it as interchangeable with 'neckbeard'.

gotcha.

[fadetree]

There's only three sure ways to 'fix' these issues:
1. Forced rotation.
2. Instancing.
3. Wipe server every now and then.

Take your pick!

[Ravager]

There's only three sure ways to 'fix' these issues:
1. Forced rotation.
2. Instancing.
3. Wipe server every now and then.

Take your pick!
Instancing would be closest to a classic experience, since classic had instances, AKA other servers to play on.

[Jimjam]

Instancing would be closest to a classic experience, since classic had instances, AKA other servers to play on.

Mindblown.

[brightlights]

All this drama and you're all still so afraid of playing on a pvp server there's only crickets over there.