Melee patch effect

[Kelor]

With the new melee patch effecting knight dps
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5782

Do you see knights being favoured far more over warriors? i mean for below 50 xp groups.

How well do you see bards tanking with the parry buff?

[fadetree]

Knights are already favored over wars for grindage groups, low 50's or not. I don't see this aspect making much difference. Bards I don't think will ever tank 'well'.

[Troxx]

Bards already tank better than 'well'

[skarlorn]

Bards already tank better than 'well'

agreed, but there's lots of pansy bards out there afraid to do their work. You gotta get out there and start training these scrubs, my friend.

[Lhancelot]

Seen bards tank raid mobs easily already, don't see an added buff to parry making them anymore effective than they are now.

Sk/Pallies already are favored for groups from 1-50 anyway as noted above.

Warriors are built for tanking dragons and this buff to SK/Pal will never take that niche away from warriors.

[fadetree]

well, gear is gear and it's as legit for bards as well as anybody. But 'can' tank is different than 'tanks well'. I can tank on my enchanter if I gear for it.

[Lilhainis]

When is this happening? Or should I say if?

[Spyder73]

This patch came out in Nov 2001. Luclin came out in Dec 2001. This patch ever hitting P99 is defiantly a 'maybe'.

1) The devs have spent lots of time on the current incarnation of P99, reworking all the damage tables and skill caps is probably a very low priority.

2) I would submit that this is a Luclin prepatch and not 'classic' in nature. The only reason they did this is to balance classes out against Beastlords and the new content that was coming out on The Moon.

3) Don't hold your breath for 2h changes or triple attack

[jolanar]

This patch came out in Nov 2001. Luclin came out in Dec 2001. This patch ever hitting P99 is defiantly a 'maybe'.

1) The devs have spent lots of time on the current incarnation of P99, reworking all the damage tables and skill caps is probably a very low priority.

2) I would submit that this is a Luclin prepatch and not 'classic' in nature. The only reason they did this is to balance classes out against Beastlords and the new content that was coming out on The Moon.

3) Don't hold your breath for 2h changes or triple attack

Not to mention it's all just entirely guesswork anyways as to how to implement that balance on P99 when your starting point isn't the same.

[Baler]

Nov 2001 patch will come. Despite it being a stepping stone patch for luclin. Which luclin wont come. Doesn't mean it's not classic. To be entirely classic-velious. Servers would have to include the final velious patch. This is how ERA based server work. The devs will use all the evidence they have access to, to provide the best possible accurate emulation.

speculating or trying to predict when any patch on p99 will come out is fruitless. Just wait patiently if it contains something you're interested in. Talking about the mechanics is good though. Maybe someone can drum up more evidence of mechanics other than a 1 page patch note.

Excluding any classic-velious content would be Not Classic.
excluding exploits

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ogre Warriors will still be the best raid tank.

[Lhancelot]

ogre Warriors will still be the best raid tank.

[mattydef]

This doesn't seem like a very hard change, all of the data already exists in game. Warriors already have triple attack which monks will be getting, knights are getting changed to the current warrior table, and the rest of the skills are just getting maxed higher.

[Triiz]

This patch ever hitting P99 is defiantly a 'maybe'.


They've said Chardok revamp will be released, and this patch is the Chardok revamp I would say it's a certainty, but could be a while.

There's probably other posts but I quoted this in another thread recently so was easy to find. Post Telin in December necroing a 2 year old thread to say that the Karana's will return to their normal state with the Chardok revamp
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2432459&postcount=8

[Troxx]

well, gear is gear and it's as legit for bards as well as anybody. But 'can' tank is different than 'tanks well'. I can tank on my enchanter if I gear for it.

Bards can "tank well" already.

-Bard aggro is second to none.
-They wear plate - which helps.
-mobs hit camp pre-slowed 35%
-they can do this job while giving the whole group 35-45hp and 12 mana a tick regen

What more could you want?

[Spyder73]

This doesn't seem like a very hard change, all of the data already exists in game. Warriors already have triple attack which monks will be getting, knights are getting changed to the current warrior table, and the rest of the skills are just getting maxed higher.

Warrior have triple attack? Since when? Maybe the patch will happen or maybe it wont, I just think there will be some internal debate on weather or not to make melee even more powerful or not. I dont think them revamping Chardok means much in regards to overhauling knights and monks. I think you can honestly debate either side of the argument well as to what is more 'classic'. Only time will tell

[Legidias]

Bards can "tank well" already.

-Bard aggro is second to none.
-They wear plate - which helps.
-mobs hit camp pre-slowed 35%
-they can do this job while giving the whole group 35-45hp and 12 mana a tick regen

What more could you want?

Also AE aggro for keepin dem clothies alive on fail mezzes

[fadetree]

Bards can "tank well" already.

-Bard aggro is second to none.
-They wear plate - which helps.
-mobs hit camp pre-slowed 35%
-they can do this job while giving the whole group 35-45hp and 12 mana a tick regen

What more could you want?

OK, if you say so. It seems like Bards would be a well known choice for tank but somehow they aren't. It's weird that a class that tanks so well would be ignored like that. I mean, I've seen bards tank of course but it's usually because the group can't find a more traditional tank or they've gone down.

[Tenlaar]

Bards can "tank well" already.

-Bard aggro is second to none.
-They wear plate - which helps.
-mobs hit camp pre-slowed 35%
-they can do this job while giving the whole group 35-45hp and 12 mana a tick regen

What more could you want?

Hard CC, haste, crazy resists when needed and charm DPS!

Oh, wait...

[mickmoranis]

ive topped the DPS charts on raids as a bard like 5 out of 10 times that I am dpsing on a mob.

[Troxx]

What were the rogues, wizards, monks, rangers, mages, zerking warriors doing at the time?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

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[Brut]

I'm just hoping that if/when this patch goes in, warriors and monks also have to visit Cobalt Scar to get their triple attack to work for that play session.

[Troxx]

The melee patch has very nice perks for all classes except rogues ... who were felt to be right where they needed to be.

[Thiefboy777]

The melee patch will never happen. The server is already easy mode, why make classes more powerful with no new content. Not gonna happen, its pointless.

[MilanderTruewield]

It will happen, because it's part of the Velious timeline. Also, the server staff have said that there is a possibility of custom content post-Velious timeline (thus satisfying your requirement of new content).

[Jimjam]

This doesn't seem like a very hard change, all of the data already exists in game. Warriors already have triple attack which monks will be getting, knights are getting changed to the current warrior table, and the rest of the skills are just getting maxed higher.

Changing skill caps on p99 seems to be a ball ache, and often bugs out.

[Xaanka]

ive topped the DPS charts on raids as a bard like 5 out of 10 times that I am dpsing on a mob.

lol what retards are letting you bard-charm in their raids, there's no other way a bard can even theoretically achieve a fraction of primal rogue dps

you know damage meters self-report your own dps way higher than its supposed to be compared to other players right? need someone else's charts to know how u really stackin up.

[Troxx]

I'm pretty sure he was joking ...