Quick question regarding necro race

[Mordyth]

Hi guys
I'm returning to the game after 2+ years off and I want to have a crack at necro this time.
I'm not really sure how things work post Velious so I need very quick advice.

In a post-Velious world, is the gap between Iksar and DE still great? I have a 14 DE who I love so I was wondering if it is worth starting him over again as ikky due to regen, or if 50ish+ necros really notice the difference all that much?

[commongood]

Pretty sure the consensus is: play what you enjoy but really, play iksar. Sitting down its 11 regen per tick more for iksar. That's an entire 10th ring clicky:)

Not sure how Velious would change things.

[Hitmonkey]

For a necro, change the name from regen to flowing thought...

Because that's what it is for a iksar necro, now does it sound remotely close in comparison to a DE necro :) ?

[Troxx]

I'm not a huge fan of iksar models but for the necro class iksar is way better than any alternative. At 58 in lich I lose 5hp a tick sitting. At 60 with arch lich I'll lose 1 hp/tick sitting. With Demi lich I'll lose 30 a tick sitting.

A non-iksar will lose 15 a tick lich at 58 and 13 a tick sitting at 60 with arch lich. Demi non-iksar will lose 41 a tick sitting.

The difference was noticeable but not game changing until 51+ when racial regen really takes off. Any race of necro can be successful but the regen bonus of iksar completely eclipses the xp penalty and fashionquest fail of sporting a tail. You can always tap back the regen difference but lifetaps or lifetap dots are horribly inefficient. Solo this is huge. Grouping where good necros heal ... it's enormously different.

I do not regret making a human monk. I would regret making a non-iksar necro.

[Nycon43]

Go iksar. You'll get over the iksar model at 34+ when you spend most of your time as a skeleton anyway. I mean as a caster you wear a robe most of the time, which basically looks the same on every race.

[Izmael]

Iksar necros are the best except at the thing that matters most: looking slick in the EC tunnel.

[Nuggie]

If I hadn't made a necro at launch I would have made an iksar necro when kunark came out. Iksar is worth it.

[loramin]

Here's some math to help you decide. The HP to mana ratio for Arch Lich is 0.646. An Iksar sitting gets 12 hp a tick, or 2 per second, which translates to 1.292 mana per second.

Devouring Darkness costs 400 mana. In 310 seconds, or about every 5 minutes, an Iksar gets to cast an extra Devouring Darkness. If you can live knowing that you will be able to cast one less Devouring Darkness every five minutes as a dark elf, you absolutely should keep your current character; otherwise reroll.

[GinnasP99]

Iksars can't equip http://wiki.project1999.com/Hate_Crystal , something to consider. If you are enjoying necro as a non iksar race thats completely fine. Regen is good but vexing mordinia heals you a lot, and it's not as if iksars cast more powerful spells.

[Baler]

Pre-Kunark, Dark Elf or Erudite or Gnome
Kunark+, Iksar

The Iksar 20% exp penalty is not as bad as one would think.
The Iksar Racial Regen is invaluable when combined with lich spells.
Level 50+ You'll wish you went iksar if you don't.

If you plan to Raid,.. loot items won't really matter all that much because your job will be to twitch clerics and that's generally about it. So chances are you don't need to have BIS every slot. That's a fools errand on a necro or mage imho.

[Vicatin]

I had a 54 DE necro as my first toon on server. Now i have a 53 ikky Necro as well. Dont make the mistake i did

[Lhancelot]

Play what is most fun for you personally. Obviously non-iksar necros are enjoyable considering how many there are.

[Jmcwrestling]

Don't be Iksar_necro_42398
You'll be perfectly fine as a non lizard :)

[Tenlaar]

Don't be Iksar_necro_42398
You'll be perfectly fine as a non lizard :)

Yes, you'll be perfectly fine, as long as you can accept that you will always be worse in a very real and quantifiable way.

[Jmcwrestling]

May as well toss out all non ogre tanks and shamans, all non high elf clerics, non Erudite int casters , and human monks then. Not like you can be a successful toon without being min maxed

My Erudite Cleric does a wonderful job btw :)

[Nycon43]

cmon now, high elf cleric has no clear racial ability over an erudite cleric. Iksar racial regen is a clear racial ability and happens to synergize well with a necromancer.

[Troxx]

Erudites don't make the best enchanters.
Ogre shamans don't unequivocally make the best shamans (troll wins imo)

I could go on and on but no other class/race pairing is as undeniably "best" as iksar and necro. The only class/race pairing that comes close is iksar/monk, but even that example is not undeniably "best" to the same degree.

For necromancers health = mana. Regen = health = mana = unparalleled efficiency.

[Darkatar]

cmon now, high elf cleric has no clear racial ability over an erudite cleric.

High elf has the highest starting wis+cha(combined) totals iirc. Good stats for a cleric.

DE Hide OP though.

[Nycon43]

yeah I get the stats advantage but thats not really an ability like i'm talking about. It's trivial for a cleric of any race to cap wis. Will be harder for an erudite sure but nothing major like regen is on a necro.

[Darkatar]

yeah I get the stats advantage but thats not really an ability like i'm talking about. It's trivial for a cleric of any race to cap wis. Will be harder for an erudite sure but nothing major like regen is on a necro.

That's valid but having a higher wis/cha total lets you cap easier and gear for more raw mana/health/resistance as well as creation starter point freedom.

[Nycon43]

I can concede that much at least. I almost always just look at actual racial abilities when choosing, if none exist I Just go with what looks cooler :)

[Priceline]

Pick whatever race you want, yes the regen is nice but not a must have.

This class can heal themselves ffs, vex is 111hp/tick which is like Torpors high maintenance retarded girlfriend.

[Troxx]

DE cleric arguably best choice ... racial hide.
Halfling cleric close second ... sneak.

Stats can be manipulated/fixed with gear. Those two races give clerics a unique and very useful ability.

[Jimjam]

I rerolled hallfing to dark elf for hide+snare neck over hide + sneak. Sneak has been nerfed further since I did that too.

I'm tempted to roll a human innoruuk cleric. No hide, but useful snare neck and a bunch of cool clicky thanks to paineel. Invis pots at 10pp a pop aren't too bad on those few occasions you really need it.

[Egilmn]

The difference was noticeable but not game changing until 51+ when racial regen really takes off. Any race of necro can be successful but the regen bonus of iksar completely eclipses the xp penalty and fashionquest fail of sporting a tail. You can always tap back the regen difference but lifetaps or lifetap dots are horribly inefficient. Solo this is huge. Grouping where good necros heal ... it's enormously different.

Any solo iksar necro who is not constantly casting vexing or bond doesn't really know what they are doing, and you would dispel shadowbond off of yourself or over-heal it with leach anyway so arguments about healing others is nullified. Leach dot is also not "horribly inefficient." A 1220 damage dot and 1098 hp heal with a -200 mr modifier for 495 mana is not "inefficient." You aren't looking at it correctly. Even lifetaps are not inefficient when looked at properly.

Iksar regen makes your life easier, but it is not necessary. Anything an iksar necro can do, any necro can do. Sometimes you will just have to be a bit more patient, such as if you have to feign with lower hp and wait to regen before you can get up again due to mobs around you. If someone depends on iksar regen to be a necro then it is a crutch for them. Be what you want and do not listen to nerdy min/maxers.

[Nixtar]

At this point, minmaxing in this game should be regarded as a bit of joke. This game is not hard. This game is slow. Everything is measured in time spent. Solo-artists are based on the amount of plat you can blow on consumables, i.e. camping and hoarding items to boost "your skill." Of course, your power-level is also measured in the amount of time spent getting phat lewts.

I mean, ffs, the competitive aspect of this game is bloody foot races and tracking mobs. Let that sink in for a moment. Every single encounter has a strat, no mystery, no surprises.

In other words, play what you want. Regen does give you an edge but it is far from making you "enormously" more efficient.

[Troxx]

Any solo iksar necro who is not constantly casting vexing or bond doesn't really know what they are doing, and you would dispel shadowbond off of yourself or over-heal it with leach anyway so arguments about healing others is nullified. Leach dot is also not "horribly inefficient." A 1220 damage dot and 1098 hp heal with a -200 mr modifier for 495 mana is not "inefficient." You aren't looking at it correctly. Even lifetaps are not inefficient when looked at properly.

Iksar regen makes your life easier, but it is not necessary. Anything an iksar necro can do, any necro can do. Sometimes you will just have to be a bit more patient, such as if you have to feign with lower hp and wait to regen before you can get up again due to mobs around you. If someone depends on iksar regen to be a necro then it is a crutch for them. Be what you want and do not listen to nerdy min/maxers.

Other dots at the high end are literally 200-300%+ more efficient.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Splurt
http://wiki.project1999.com/Pyrocruor
http://wiki.project1999.com/Envenomed_Bolt
http://wiki.project1999.com/Cessation_of_Cor

Even the following DD is more efficient

http://wiki.project1999.com/Conglaciation_of_Bone

Undead DD even more so.

Point is every point of mana used lifetapping could be used to put out 2-3x more damage. Taps are only useful when you need the heal. As my first post illustrates - at 58 an iksar necro has to tap back health 3x less. That 1000 less mana spent could be used to put out 3000+ more damage.

[Priceline]

Your still missing the jism of the debate.

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

Toss numbers in there all you want but you're still just talking icing on an already robust cake.

[Lhancelot]

Your still missing the jism of the debate.

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

Toss numbers in there all you want but you're still just talking icing on an already robust cake.

you can't discuss classes on p99 with min/maxers.

also, just avoiding the gimpy-ass retarded running the iksars have for animations is more than enough reason not to pick them. It doesn't matter you can skellie form later, deep inside you still a gimpy-ass retarded looking iksar.

[commongood]

People on these forums are so extreme... people are either casual SCUM or dirty min/maxing neckbeards!

I'm fairly casual but I still care about class racial benefits. Go figure.

Look, if you really enjoy how a Dark Elf looks more than gaining a fairly tangible advantage then that's totally fair. Just don't do it without knowing the difference. Yes, a Dark Elf necro can still solo the same mobs that an Iksar can, but not as effeciently.

People gladly pay upwards of 180k for a Zlandicar's Heart solely because it gives 5 regen. Iksar regen at lvl 60 is 8 when standing, 11 when sitting /shrug

[Tenlaar]

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

[Priceline]

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

[Priceline]

Another great example from that solo artists challenge is the top shaman NOT being an ogre or regen race. Which is probably the most debated thing on this forum outside of which Necro race.

[Baler]

But being super skilled and knowledgeable at the game is different than gaining an advantage in an RPG. So that solo artist challenge is kind of mute on most topics. Is it required to be a certain race to kill some crazy stuff.. well no,. but it does nothing but help in some way. Whether it's regen or frontal stun.

Regen is a big Advantage for necromancers. Choose to take that advantage or not. Just don't complain when ur level 50+ and you regret not picking iksar for a necro. I've spoken with a lot of non-iksar monks and necros. Nearly every one of them said they wish they'd gone iksar. Excluding the ones who are super raid twinked.

[commongood]

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

I think you are splitting hairs. No one is on a soap box here. Someone asked if it's a worthwhile difference to choose iksar over the other races for a necromancer. It does. Is iksar a more efficient choice? Yes. Is "efficient" = better? Depends on what you are measuring I guess. But I think it's hard to argue that it is not desirable to be more efficient.

Does that mean an iksar can solo anything a non- iksar can't? Well no but the iksar will be more efficient at it. Does that matter enough to steer your hand when picking race? That's up to individual preference

[Tenlaar]

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion.

So...your argument is based on not believing that more efficient is objectively better than less efficient?

I mean that's fine and all, but you probably shouldn't try to convince people that it doesn't make a difference when it very much does.

[Teppler]

Don't forget the existence of HP drain clickies for necros as well.

I always used to argue regen didn't matter as much as people made it out.

[Vexenu]

Iksars should never have been allowed to be Necros. Regen is too powerful. Makes the other Necro races obsolete for the most part.

Although interestingly there is one exception: if you were making a Necro on a Kunark-era PvP server, you'd be better off with an Erudite. Iksar low INT is a huge liability when you're forced to wear resist gear, and regen isn't a factor in most PvP fights because they tend to be decided quickly one way or the other. Better to have significantly more mana to lifetap/nuke with rather than regen in that case.

See the Erudite with 500+ more mana wearing nearly-identical gear:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Erudmancer

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Iksarmancer

[Doctor Jeff]

regen isn't a factor in most PvP fights because they tend to be decided quickly one way or the other.
You clearly have never pvp'd with any form of skill.

[Pezy]

You clearly have never pvp'd with any form of skill.

Everquest has PVP?

[Mordyth]

Wow so many answers! Thanks to everyone for your input, made my choice even harder ;p
I believe I'll do it the old fashioned way and run 2 different races to 20 and see which one I like the best!

[nevilshute]

Wow so many answers! Thanks to everyone for your input, made my choice even harder ;p
I believe I'll do it the old fashioned way and run 2 different races to 20 and see which one I like the best!

Not to annoy you but that likely won't be a very good test. At 20 the regen from iksar will be very weak. It's not until much later in your necro life that it really starts to shine. All you will accomplish is likely to be annoyed that it takes longer to get your iksar to 20 due to exp penalty

[Mordyth]

Not to annoy you but that likely won't be a very good test. At 20 the regen from iksar will be very weak. It's not until much later in your necro life that it really starts to shine. All you will accomplish is likely to be annoyed that it takes longer to get your iksar to 20 due to exp penalty

Fair enough. What kind of test would you suggest?

[nevilshute]

Fair enough. What kind of test would you suggest?

I'm afraid there is no test other than to try a level 55-60 iksar necro and then a DE (or other) of similar level. And unless you can borrow accounts to try that you will have to assess, ahead of time, if you believe that the iksar regen is enough of a difference maker. Look at the wiki page for necromancers, there is the complete breakdown of what an iksar vs non-iksar regens at different levels.

Look, as others have pointed out, it's not like you will be able to solo kill Trakanon as an iksar. You can solo the exact same mobs regardless of your race. But as an iksar you will have an extra, innate 8 regen standing, 11 regen sitting per tick. When you consider that the Coldain 10th ring gives 10 regen and that Zlandicar's Heart gives 5 regen and that both of these items are insanely desireable for a necromancer then it should give you pause to think. This extra regen will make for smoother soloing. It will make you have to spend mana on healing yourself (through Vexing Mordinia) at longer intervals and as such you will be more effecient with your mana and will be able to solo faster. Exactly HOW much faster I won't commit to saying because I've not tested it. It might not, at the end of the day, be by a lot. But that it makes you more effecient is undeniable.

[Troxx]

The regen effiency when leveling helps offset the 20% xp penalty by a good amount. In terms of general quality of life - it's priceless in ways that efficiency while leveling alone can't easily quantify. If shit hits the fan and I'm low on life and need to FD in a dangerous spot, I'll be regening 12 a tick after clicking off lich vs the 4 I'd have as a non-iksar. At 60 that's 14 vs 5 while fd. That's the difference of nearly 2 z-hearts (and people pay 150-250k for this one lore item).

The most important factor when choosing race for any class is how much you like the look. Unless you hate iksar graphic and like another to the point that you're willing to more than half your natural - iksar is unfortunately the way to go.

[Ravager]

I never monkeyed with Necro too much, so I can't comment on which would be better for you, but one thing I'd consider is your play style. If what nevil says is true and you'll be able to solo the same things regardless of which race you go, just at different efficiencies, then it wouldn't hurt to think about how efficient you really need to be.

For instance, when I'm solo leveling, I spend a great deal of time afk, so efficiency doesn't matter since I'm coming back to full health/mana anyway. But if you want to do non-stop killing for hours at a time, then the choice becomes pretty clear.

I understand the dilemma though. Iksars look stupid.

[Lhancelot]

This boils down to the type of player you are.

If you hate not having the best most optimized race on a class, then you need to roll iksar.

If you hate the gimpy running gait and combat animations iksar have like me, you don't pick iksar.

If you are fine with all race appearances, then you go iksar.

If you have a gnome fetish, you go gnome.

If you want to get your mangina on, you go dark elf female for full sexy hotness.

[Tenlaar]

Every race looks and moves the same after they peel their skin away...

[Tann]

gnome > all

wall hacks and cheaper stalking probes

[loramin]

Fair enough. What kind of test would you suggest?

I'd suggest just playing a Necro, of any race. As I broke down in my post, the Iksar racial amounts to one extra cast of the highest level of your Darkness line (about) every 5 minutes at level 60. If you look at the math in my post, you can easily change that to any other spell on a slightly different interval.

Once you've actually played a necro (maybe not to 20, but at least into the high teens so you have most spell lines) you can start to appreciate how valuable (or not) that extra spell every 5 (or whatever number of) minutes is. It still won't be the same as playing a level 60, but it will give you an idea.

Then you can determine which will be more valuable to you: having a Dark Elf (and not be yet another Iksar) necromancer like everyone else, or having that extra spell every N minutes.

[Razaz]

the Iksar racial amounts to one extra cast of the highest level of your Darkness line (about) every 5 minutes at level 60.

Your math may be right but it's missing the big picture. It's about spending your mana efficiently. Being an iksar means you cast less lifetaps/leeches which are your least mana efficient lines, allowing you to use your mana on more powerful spells.

End of the day, Iksar wins the min/max numbers game. If you don't like the Iksar lore, city, aesthetics, or whatever, then play something else. You will still be able to do everything an Iksar can, but you will always be at a slight disadvantage.

[Troxx]

The numbers in your post are out of whack.

Here's some math to help you decide. The HP to mana ratio for Arch Lich is 0.646. An Iksar sitting gets 12 hp a tick, or 2 per second, which translates to 1.292 mana per second.

Devouring Darkness costs 400 mana. In 310 seconds, or about every 5 minutes, an Iksar gets to cast an extra Devouring Darkness. If you can live knowing that you will be able to cast one less Devouring Darkness every five minutes as a dark elf, you absolutely should keep your current character; otherwise reroll.

Arch lich is 1:1 (20 lost 20 gained)
Demi Lich is 1:0.646 (48 lost 31 gained)
A sitting iksar gets 18 (not 12)

Regardless, you're thinking about this the wrong way.

Standing at 60 in Demi lich a non-iksar loses 44 hp a tick. Iksar loses 36. Non iksar will lose health and need to vexing in 2.27 minutes. Iksar in 2.78 mins.

Sitting at 60 in Demi lich a non-iksar loses 41 hp a tick. Iksar loses 30. Non iksar will lose health and need to vexing in 2.43 minutes. Iksar in 3.33 mins.

Standing at 60 in ARCH lich a non-iksar loses 16 hp a tick. Iksar loses 8. Non iksar will lose health and need to vexing in 6.25 minutes. Iksar in 12.5 mins.

Sitting at 60 in ARCH lich a non-iksar loses 13 hp a tick. Iksar loses 2. Non iksar will lose health and need to vexing in 7.69 minutes. Iksar in 50 mins.


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Standing at 51 in Lich a non-iksar loses 20 hp a tick. Iksar loses 16. Non iksar will lose health and need to bond of death in 3.6 minutes. Iksar in 4.5 mins.

Sitting at 51 in Lich a non-iksar loses 17 hp a tick. Iksar loses 10. Non iksar will lose health and need to bond of death in 4.23 minutes. Iksar in 7.2 mins.

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Standing at 56 in Lich a non-iksar loses 19 hp a tick. Iksar loses 12. Non iksar will lose health and need to bond of death in 3.79 minutes. Iksar in 7.2 mins.

Sitting at 56 in Lich a non-iksar loses 16 hp a tick. Iksar loses 6. Non iksar will lose health and need to bond of death in 4.5 minutes. Iksar in 12 mins.


Recap for sitting:

At 60 in Demi lich non iksar has to tap 37% more often.
At 60 in Arch lich non iksar has to tap 650% more often.
At 56 in Lich non iksar has to tap 267% more often.
At 51 in Lich non iksar has to tap 170% more often.

As has been mentioned multiple times, none of this is so game breaking that a non iksar necromancer can't function ... but the difference is quite huge.

[loramin]

End of the day, Iksar wins the min/max numbers game. If you don't like the Iksar lore, city, aesthetics, or whatever, then play something else. You will still be able to do everything an Iksar can, but you will always be at a slight disadvantage.

Yes: we've already established that Iksar is superior. Anyone who only cares about min/max could have stopped reading this thread five pages ago.

I'm trying to establish how much they win, ie. how much of a slight disadvantage non-Iksar have. Because to some people min/max isn't the only factor, and if you want to compare the min/max benefits against other factors you need some basis to do so.



A sitting iksar gets 18 (not 12)

Yes, but non-Iksar get 6, so Iksar are only net 12 better.

Also, I'm not sure that wall of text is going to be helpful for the purpose it's trying to serve. I doubt OP is going to read all of the above and then meaningfully compare it to "how much of a pain will it be to redo levels 1-12?" or "how much cooler do dark elves look?" ... because the human brain just doesn't work that way, especially when it has to compare very disparate things.

But it can make simple comparisons like "is looking like a dark elf cool enough to be worth giving up an extra darkness/5 min at 60?"

[Troxx]

Yes, but non-Iksar get 6, so Iksar are only net 12 better.

Non-iksars get 7 ... so iksars are only net 11 better.

Sitting at 60 in Demi lich a non-iksar loses 41 hp a tick. Iksar loses 30. Non iksar will lose health and need to vexing in 2.43 minutes. Iksar in 3.33 mins.

Over 20 minutes a non-iksar will have to vexing 8.23 times - 4073 mana
Over 20 minutes an iksar will have to vexing 6 times - 2970 mana

That's 1103 mana over 20 minutes - 2.12 minutes (10% more of your time) dedicated solely to healing yourself.

This doesn't seem like a lot, but this is also best case scenario. Your taps do damage - yes - but it is not uncommon that much of that damage (and the resultant healing) does not get utilized. Hunting in dangerous places it is not advisable to let yourself end up 1k health in the hole (unless you have raid gear). That potential damage can also frequently get lost with the mob dying before the damage has had a chance to be fully applied. In a realistic scenario you are getting far less than a 1:2 ratio (for both healing and damage output) from the highest level and most efficient spells in the lifetap line.

It adds up monumentally.

Sitting at 56 in Lich a non-iksar loses 16 hp a tick. Iksar loses 6. Non iksar will lose health and need to bond of death in 4.5 minutes. Iksar in 12 mins.

Over 20 minutes a non-iksar will have to bond of death 4.44 times - 1600 mana
Over 20 minutes an iksar will have to bond of death 1.66 times - 600 mana

At 56 that is 1000 mana difference over 20 minutes - 2.5 extra minutes of meditating in lich form just to make up the difference (12.5% of your time).

[loramin]

Non-iksars get 7 ... so iksars are only net 11 better.

Was going by the table here:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shaman


It may well be incorrect (it's a wiki ..)

[Troxx]

Yeah that's wrong. Non-iksar get a 1hp/tick bump at level 60 to 4/7.

Sesserdrix's Guide goes into great detail on this topic in the "choosing your race" section.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Sesserdrix%27s_All_in_One_Necromancer_Strategy_Gui de

[loramin]

Yeah that's wrong. Non-iksar get a 1hp/tick bump at level 60 to 4/7.

Sesserdrix's Guide goes into great detail on this topic in the "choosing your race" section.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Sesserdrix%27s_All_in_One_Necromancer_Strategy_Gui de

Well I'm too lazy to redo my math, so I'll leave that exercise up to someone else :p. Suffice it to say that being an Iksar gives you an extra darkness spell about once ever 5.5 minutes.

[GinnasP99]

The question you should ask yourself is, do you want to look this badass

http://i.imgur.com/fCwvtzj.jpg

[Vexenu]

You clearly have never pvp'd with any form of skill.

Perhaps I should have clarified that regen specifically for a Necromancer isn't a huge deal in PvP. Regen is obviously enormous for melees who have no other way of sustaining themselves in a fight. But Necros don't need regen to sustain, they have lifetaps for that. And the Erudite mana advantage in Kunark/low end Velious gear allows them multiple extra casts of Deflux or an entire extra cast of Vexing Mordania. If you do the math, a fight has to last something like 15 minutes in order for the Iksar regen to overcome the Erudite mana advantage. Needless to say, the vast majority of PvP encounters do not last anywhere close to 15 minutes (and the exceptions are big group fights where entirely different tactics apply anyway).

The main point to keep in mind is that Iksar INT is really, really abysmal while wearing resist gear until you get into high-end Velious stuff. Regen in no way compensates for this glaring mana disparity in PvP fights that are usually decided in under 5 minutes. It's not a question of skill or tactics in this case, it's just math. Iksar are bad PvP Necros for the same reason they're good PvE Necros: they sacrifice INT for regen. On a PvE timeline this is a good bargain: regen comes out ahead in the long run. But the opposite holds true in PvP: if you're a cloth wearer, it's all about burst damage, and you need all the INT/mana you can get to ensure you have a deep enough mana pool to burst people down. Regen doesn't win PvP fights for casting classes; having enough mana to kill the other guy quickly while keeping yourself alive does.

[Izmael]

I PvP'd a shit ton on a necro and I can't remember a single time when racial regen played any kind of role. I remember a lot of times where mana pool did play a role, though.

[Faywind]

Haven't played a necro much but it seems that all the angry posts here come from non-iksar necro's.... might be something to think about :)

[kaluann]

Keep in mind you need to get to the 50s before you start really seeing a difference in racial regen. A lot of people burn out before hitting 60 on their char and start alts and such, the post lvl 54 struggle is real.

Also iksars are extremely ugly looking and you'll have to stare at that tail sticking out of your robe for months on end. DE is an ok choice but you should consider rerolling as a Gnome OP

[Egilmn]

Haven't played a necro much but it seems that all the angry posts here come from non-iksar necro's.... might be something to think about :)

My 60 necro is iksar and I do not think it is necessary whatsoever to be iksar. People should only roll iksar if they already wanted to, not because of regen. Only min/maxing crutch noobs think that you can't be a necro without iksar regen. The kind that fear kite to 60 in burning woods or wherever, calculating their hp/mana damage to exp per hour ratio.

[Troxx]

Keep in mind you need to get to the 50s before you start really seeing a difference in racial regen. A lot of people burn out before hitting 60 on their char and start alts and such, the post lvl 54 struggle is real.

Also iksars are extremely ugly looking and you'll have to stare at that tail sticking out of your robe for months on end. DE is an ok choice but you should consider rerolling as a Gnome OP

Prior to level 50 iksars have double the non-iksar regen. Granted ... we're talking 2 vs 1 standing and 4 vs 2 sitting, but that's still not insignificant. It's true that racial regen really takes off over level 50, but there's a lot of passive regen that happens up to that point and iksars still have twice as much of that. For lower level lich lines which drain fairly minor amounts of hp, this also means an iksar almost never has to lifetap.

[Izmael]

Iksar regen is OP for necros.

It is unbalanced really. VI screwed up there.

Good thing at least they are ugly

[Bristlebaner]

I had a 46 dark elf. Rerolled, now a 56 iksar.

Worth it for sure. It's so much less work when lich doesn't decimate your hp.

[dafier]

Iksar > than all.

Yes, in this era there is OP then all else. @Izmael - VI didn't screw up, they just hadn't got around to nerfing it yet. (just being sarcastic)