Etiquette when 'claiming' a camp during a CC

[supermonk]

Is it so hard to keep it real?

I understand you may want to claim a profitable camp, but please do not claim it when someone does a CC when in reality it's not true. Don't give off the impression you have rights to the camp if you still either need to clear down to the camp or fill out your group to hold the camp. If you're actually working to clear down to claim the camp, then just say it.

If you wiped, say you wiped and are recovering in OOC rather than pretend like you are still holding the camp. If you do decide to roll the dice and get caught, you have no right to get emotional and rage when someone calls your BS. Most people (or at least me) would be understanding when the truth is told, so do yourself a favor and have some faith that you don't have to lie to get ahead.

[Whirled]

What zone did I just get FTE in?

[Spyder73]

What zone did I just get FTE in?

OP sounds like a nerd that is raging about Fungi King and thinks that he deserves the camp more than someone else. That is pure speculation but I have seen his kind in the past and the rant seems to fit the camp.

[Pokesan]

i hope a gnome bites your toes off

[supermonk]

OP sounds like a nerd that is raging about Fungi King and thinks that he deserves the camp more than someone else. That is pure speculation but I have seen his kind in the past and the rant seems to fit the camp.

Actually talking about people who call C/E who don't even have a rogue to get in.

[Alanus]

I hate when I am camping forager cycle (in Trakanon's Teeth) for hours and some random group shows up, killing forager for keys.

If someone is camping for named, they'll gladly let you have the medallions. I will even pull forager to your group and help you kill it. I just want the named

[Teako]

If a mob is up, and they're not there it's not being camped.

Must maintain kill force, and presence at the camp while clearing placeholders.

[loramin]

If a mob is up, and they're not there it's not being camped.

Must maintain kill force, and presence at the camp while clearing placeholders.

I think it's a little more nuanced than that. Let's say you're killing the Soothsayer in Droga, and there's no one in the zone, so you go kill some mobs around the corner, or maybe you even run over to the Chief camp. The Soothsayer has a 22 min timer, so you think you have time, but you leave late and miscalculate so the Soothsayer spawns just before you get back ... and at that moment someone logs in at the Soothsayer camp. They're staring at the Soothsayer and they don't see anyone nearby: you lose the camp right?

Based on the various GM reports in this forum I don't think that's how they would rule: I think they'd say you get to keep your camp. The alternative would be to say that even in an empty zone you must stay within a few feet of a camp at all times or else risk losing it, and that seems kinda silly.

If the second player killed your Soothsayer I don't think they'd punish him (sure they could have CCed, but that's not a requirement, so it's not really their fault), but they wouldn't give your camp to him. In other words, if you make a good faith effort and take reasonable steps to keep your camp, I don't think the staff will take it from you, even if you happen to step away at the moment the mob spawns and someone else snipes it.

Or at least that's how I understand it ... any young lawyers out there care to correct me?

[mcoy]

I've been in droga the past few nights. Loramin described exactly how it's gone down. There's a bit of discussion in ooc starting with the cc because they saw that most of the room was clear - the newcomer offered to let them (us) choose which camp since they were technically maintaining both (ss/chief) however due to not having los we originally offered to concede.

Heck, when I first showed up a wizzy was camping ss with a FD monk in the room. The monk came back after like 30 minutes (well over 1 spawn cycle) and she offered to let him have it back. It's been nothing but decent people - they are out there, and the reason I still play here.

-Mcoy

[Naethyn]

Just don't ever call CC it is for noobs. Go see if it is camped instead.

[Tecmos Deception]

Or at least that's how I understand it ... any young lawyers out there care to correct me?

Yeah you were pretty much on.


Sticky in this forum section: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

Specifically:

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone (this includes dying/"corpsing" items), you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

[mcoy]

And that's exactly how it happened. Looks like the rules, when followed, do ensure a good time for all!

-Mcoy

[Teako]

if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared

PH up, with nobody in room equals not being killed. Otherwise it's pure speculation between the players as to the intent of them actually camping the mob. Mob up, and not in room equals not camped.

[Cambiant]

Noman's quote disproves your belief, Teak.

[Tecmos Deception]

Noman's quote disproves your belief, Teak.

Nah, I think he's right. How can you claim a camp is yours when the mob is up and you aren't in the room when the rules say:

In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared.

Most players won't hold you to a "you didn't autofire engage that frenzied velium broodling within .5 seconds so it's an open camp" ... but if you need to run afk for 3 minutes or you had a hard fight and you're LOM when a PH is back up or something... you shouldn't be too upset if someone else "takes your mob."

[Cambiant]

"The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up."
/ducks out of circle jerk

[Tecmos Deception]

"The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up."
/ducks out of circle jerk

Sure. But he isn't able to claim the camp as his if he isn't keeping the ph down. How can he choose to retain that which is not his at all?

[skarlorn]

i agree

[chris.hijiri]

Sure. But he isn't able to claim the camp as his if he isn't keeping the ph down. How can he choose to retain that which is not his at all?

He can't.

[Jhaerik]

I think way too many people on this server need to go see the sun... and GM enforced rules of any kind outside of bug abuse are why everyone moved away from EQ.

Literally can't even play on this server without a fucking law book. Ever sit back and think what made EQ fun to begin with? Killing shit, and dying in funny ways.
Not lawyering up on every single damn mob pop.

This crap is why I rarely log in these days. My last attempt at a game session was basically: log in outside Karnors and kill one mob.. 3 people message me that this side is camped. I walk around the other side... bard had 20+ mobs running in circles. Zone in, pull an intrance mob, random druid "this is camped." Spam LFG for 45 minutes while typing /who all W/e and sending tell's that never get replied to. Buy a port to WC swing by tunnel and see nothing I need, then head to Guk.. everything is camped by level 55+'s farming drops. Leave guk and go to Emerald jungle and swing by Trak... 2 rangers arguing over who's camping what... log out.

[Mead]

calling cc for multiple camps is the oldest trick in the book

shits classic as fuck

never seen a thread started about it though

[Tuurin]

If you need some plat just roll up a druid and join DaP and you can "farm" more plat per hour than you can camping Droga SS or Guk Frenzy or whatevs. Plus bonus- you'll actually be helpful to others rather than arguing over some moron rules about how long a ph can stay up before its ffa or what the legal definition of a camp is according to some gm who doesn't even play here anymore.

Those rules were put in place to provide a guideline when common sense and logic have failed- aka they should really never be necessary in a game played almost entirely by adults. Quoting the gm pnp rules is akin to telling the playground aide that those kids won't let you play with them. Don't be that kid, folks.

[Mead]

If you need some plat just roll up a druid and join DaP and you can "farm" more plat per minute than you can camping Droga SS or Guk Frenzy or whatevs. Plus bonus- you'll actually be helpful to others rather than arguing over some moron rules about how long a ph can stay up before its ffa or what the legal definition of a camp is according to some gm who doesn't even play here anymore.

Those rules were put in place to provide a guideline when common sense and logic have failed- aka they should really never be necessary in a game played almost entirely by adults. Quoting the gm pnp rules is akin to telling the playground aide that those kids won't let you play with them. Don't be that kid, folks.

ftfy

[aaezil]

considering the gms refuse to define what a "camp" is or isnt, just claim whatever you want in any zone. Hell thats what a/a do.

[loramin]

considering the gms refuse to define what a "camp" is or isnt, just claim whatever you want in any zone. Hell thats what a/a do.

When you're soloing a camp is almost always a single named mob's spawn point.

[Kaera]

Ya I think it is annoying when someone who does not have a rogue call out for CE and then ask around for a rogue to join them cause they realised they have a door they cannot open.

I agree with some users. Let just take a look if the call is really genuine or just a bluff to hold camp while either being there and starting to kill.

[alsa]

A lot of times people here are forced to do what they do today with Camp Check because the culture here.

For example, when a group is made and moving down to disco in Seb and somebody do a "CC". They should be answering "moving to disco", but 9 times out of 10 the reply would be just "disco". Why? Because this sever promotes competition, so what if another group or better yet a solo enchanter decide to "race" the group moving to disco and claim the camp before they could?

Back on live, camp check used to be a tool for people to use so they can save themselves the trouble of moving to a camp and finding it camped. Here camp check is a tool to stop other player/group to ever look around.

That's why I no longer use CC.

[Tuurin]

A lot of times people here are forced to do what they do today with Camp Check because the culture here.

For example, when a group is made and moving down to disco in Seb and somebody do a "CC". They should be answering "moving to disco", but 9 times out of 10 the reply would be just "disco". Why? Because this sever promotes competition, so what if another group or better yet a solo enchanter decide to "race" the group moving to disco and claim the camp before they could?

Back on live, camp check used to be a tool for people to use so they can save themselves the trouble of moving to a camp and finding it camped. Here camp check is a tool to stop other player/group to ever look around.

That's why I no longer use CC.

Or you get an individual (anon/L60) that just claims a single spawn in the middle of a dungeon in what would traditionally be a viable group spot so they can monopolize the most valuable drops for the least amount of effort and/or cooperation. And if your group is pulling it rather than literally standing on top of the named spawn point(s), some Jr lawyer tries to come along and argue with you about it.

I spent many many hours on live in Lguk/Frenzy for example and I don't ever remember seeing anybody doing that. Here, 90% of the time those camps are taken by soloers who just leave up most of the normal (exp) mobs up and snipe/camp named.

I suppose that is just the nature of the server- on live max lvl toons had something to do (AAs, keys, flags, etc). Here the choice is farm or reroll I guess.

[Jmcwrestling]

I think CC's are just a respectable thing to do for other players. Because paths to camps tend to be left up and it can be quite annoying and a waste of some people's valuable playtime to clear to a camp that is taken.

CC's do get abused sometimes but I consider it etiquette to respond to them even if it's being called every 5 minutes (if they just zoned in 4 seconds ago, how are they to know that it was called 2 minutes ago?)

As far as high levels camping stuff and leaving xp mobs up, and as a high level who does this, I have no problem with xp groups killing around me for xp. The only stipulation is that you don't take the mob I am camping, and you don't do anything that would cause me to wipe that is out of my control.

Just have to play nice everyone, it makes the server a better place!

[Triiz]

One of the few things that irritates me in this game is when you do a CC, wait like 5 minutes, no one responds, then you move to the camp and sure enough someone is camping it. Makes no sense to me, because it only benefits the person holding the camp by keeping people out of their camp.

On the flip side of that coin, zoned into HS recently and do a CC, a cleric sitting by himself at entrance obviously waiting on someone responds "South" I was like lol.

Just don't ever call CC it is for noobs. Go see if it is camped instead.

Some camps aren't as easy as strolling up and seeing if someone is there, who wants to waste time breaking into a camp only to find someone is already camping it.

[loramin]

One of the few things that irritates me in this game is when you do a CC, wait like 5 minutes, no one responds, then you move to the camp and sure enough someone is camping it. Makes no sense to me, because it only benefits the person holding the camp by keeping people out of their camp.

When you're camping something you usually know that (say) "the next PH/Named will be in 22 minutes". That means you don't have to watch your chat window religiously for that 22 minutes: you can go AFK, or maybe stay at the keyboard but ignore chat. Just because someone doesn't notice a CC doesn't mean they're deliberately trying to make people waste time.

CCs are a courtesy, and I believe the staff has confirmed as much (eg. not responding to a CC does not mean you lose your camp). We should all be courteous, and respond to CCs when we can, but everyone should also understand that they are only a courtesy.

[Triiz]

When you're camping something you usually know that (say) "the next PH/Named will be in 22 minutes". That means you don't have to watch your chat window religiously for that 22 minutes: you can go AFK, or maybe stay at the keyboard but ignore chat. Just because someone doesn't notice a CC doesn't mean they're deliberately trying to make people waste time.


I'm referring to active xp camps i.e. HS west where you can't exactly stroll in with no effort/lulls/ivu, and people sure as hell aren't AFKing for 20 minutes.


For something like Droga or something I don't expect people to answer CC's since most people play for 1 min and afk for 28.

Yeah responding to CC's is a courtesy, doesn't change the fact it's irritating when people are actively playing and don't respond.

[azeth]

If a mob is up, and they're not there it's not being camped.

Must maintain kill force, and presence at the camp while clearing placeholders.

not more nuanced than this at all.

Mob up and not engaged = not camped.