Highkeep / Highhold Keep Goblins

[Crashking]

This post is to make everyone aware of what GM Cylock had to say about the camp as I have had way too much trouble here in what i call paradise. This is an exact excerpt from my logfile when speaking to GM Cylock over issue I had with a level 60 mage who decided to walk in and obliterate the area and not even loot from the mobs.

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying rogean deam each room here a camp but i couldnt find this on the forums when i seached.. it that truely the case?'
[Wed Jul 26 15:49:49 2017] a pickclaw spiritist begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 26 15:49:50 2017] Tsaria Jnarus begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 26 15:49:54 2017] Doeden begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:02 2017] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:07 2017] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:15 2017] A Pickclaw guard tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:15 2017] A Pickclaw guard tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:15 2017] A Pickclaw guard tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:15 2017] A pickclaw warrior bashes YOU for 13 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:15 2017] A pickclaw warrior tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] A Pickclaw guard tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] A Pickclaw guard tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:34 2017] You told Cylock '[queued], okay good to know thanks'

So the next time someone comes to gank on mobs when the camp is already owned, I will be pointing them to this. You have now been informed, so let their be peace over this little slice of paradise.

[fan D]

seek help

[Tupakk]

You realize he is saying it's split up and not one camp right.

[Busher]

I remember on Firiona Vie, there could be 3 camps down there, but I've never seen it as but one camp on P99

[Sorn]

8749

[NegaStoat]

You can cast Harmony and SoW in the zone. It's an outdoor zone. GM's only assist a player's right to camp one(1) spawn in outdoor areas. Nothing beyond one(1) spawn point is considered a 'camp' outdoors, as per Braknar's explanation.

The rules lawyering could get thick in this situation.

[Lhancelot]

OP, with this bad attitude you are going to be eating a suspension soon™.

Don't take matters into your own hands, KSing and being hostile to other elfs in Norrath is bad juujuu. The GMs will not tolerate such shenanigans.

Any disputes over a camp or camps should be submitted to a GM via a petition immediately, and the guides response be read with a mind capable of comprehending basic English.

Good luck, OP. I hope you lose some of your anger, and fill that emptiness with love.

Love > Hate.

[Mead]

Sticky this badboi

[Cecily]

You can cast Harmony and SoW in the zone. It's an outdoor zone. GM's only assist a player's right to camp one(1) spawn in outdoor areas. Nothing beyond one(1) spawn point is considered a 'camp' outdoors, as per Braknar's explanation.

The rules lawyering could get thick in this situation.

No. Please don't give rule advice in the future.

[skarlorn]

If you aren't willing to share the precious goblins, you're the evil elf.

[NegaStoat]

No. Please don't give rule advice in the future.

I was being completely sarcastic. But also, I'm still butthurt over Braknar telling me that exact thing over the docks dwarves in Butcherblock when I had 5 of them dead on a respawn cycle years back. A druid showed up and cried and I was informed to "work it out between yourselves. and it's one spawn per player for a camp if it's outdoors."

Highpass goblins being a dungeon camp is of course what they are, but when a GM gets involved the camp gets defined on the spot as for what it might be.

[Swish]

[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:34 2017] You told Cylock '[queued], okay good to know thanks'

So the next time someone comes to gank on mobs when the camp is already owned, I will be pointing them to this. You have now been informed, so let their be peace over this little slice of paradise.

You'll be pointing them to *this*

The camp or area in question wasn't mentioned, I assume its the room below the first set of stairs with the lookout room to the right, but I'm assuming...so I can't be sure.

So I can't exactly say "hey buddy, this is something a GM said that's really nailed down and therefore I'm right, clear off or I'll petition"

Rules lawyers are the worst for exactly this shit, and this is why I'm glad we don't have any attempt to codify rules to the extent that the OP wants...because it would make the server a much shitter and more unfriendly place to play.

In summary, you're in a high ZEM, well populated zone and playing on the weekend. You're going to have to share. If you want high ZEM with less people, go to Kedge Keep when you can. Otherwise pick a nice quiet zone where nobody can trigger you.

[Triiz]

In summary, you're in a high ZEM, well populated zone and playing on the weekend. You're going to have to share. If you want high ZEM with less people, go to Kedge Keep when you can. Otherwise pick a nice quiet zone where nobody can trigger you.

The log was from a Wednesday.

And yeah clearly this level appropriate group should clear out of one of the most popular xp camps on the server so a 60 mage can farm it. Sounds right.

[Jimjam]

Like a boulder tossed in the ocean, we are still seeing the ripples of the displaced seafury crew.

[Lhancelot]

Like a boulder tossed in the ocean, we are still seeing the ripples of the displaced seafury crew.

preach.

[ghost182]

Had an issue here the other day where 2 players came in and started camping warrior room while our group had been keeping it all clear for hours, albeit from the normal kill spot at stairs.

Totally understand splitting the goblins up mentality, dont agree, but understand. With that said, the longer standing group should have the right to choose which its going to have if a split is to happen, no?

[Crashking]

You realize he is saying it's split up and not one camp right.

I realize you are wrong.. the GM is saying the area is one large camp.

I realize several post in the thread here now miss the entire point. The area i am naming is the name of the whole darn thread. its the entire camp of goblins in Highkeep.

I am aware of the ZEM and yes this is partly why I consider it paradise.

The issue isn't about my ability to share. The issue is about asshats that think they have a right to just barge in and start killing stuff when the camp area is already taken.

This is just one example .. LVL 60 mage comes in and slaughters place not even looting... a totally pointless act. In general it is higher level players that are coming by and sticking their nose into an area they really have no need for. AND YES i understand the principle of farming. I've played EQ for ages and playing here on 99 doesn't change the fact that once a camp is owned you have rights to that camp period and you get to say who/what can happen with it.

The point of the post was to have the GM's exact words out there so there can be no question the next time some jerk comes storming through. PUBLIC NOTIFIED. ISSUE OVER.

[Tupakk]

I realize you are wrong.. the GM is saying the area is one large camp.

I realize several post in the thread here now miss the entire point. The area i am naming is the name of the whole darn thread. its the entire camp of goblins in Highkeep.

I am aware of the ZEM and yes this is partly why I consider it paradise.

The issue isn't about my ability to share. The issue is about asshats that think they have a right to just barge in and start killing stuff when the camp area is already taken.

This is just one example .. LVL 60 mage comes in and slaughters place not even looting... a totally pointless act. In general it is higher level players that are coming by and sticking their nose into an area they really have no need for. AND YES i understand the principle of farming. I've played EQ for ages and playing here on 99 doesn't change the fact that once a camp is owned you have rights to that camp period and you get to say who/what can happen with it.

The point of the post was to have the GM's exact words out there so there can be no question the next time some jerk comes storming through. PUBLIC NOTIFIED. ISSUE OVER.

Cylock tells you, ('no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic.) Classic not P99

Yeah it was one room ... but not on p99'

You should read it one more time with how it was meant to be read. I also corrected the spelling errors.

[Crashking]

Had an issue here the other day where 2 players came in and started camping warrior room while our group had been keeping it all clear for hours, albeit from the normal kill spot at stairs.

Totally understand splitting the goblins up mentality, dont agree, but understand. With that said, the longer standing group should have the right to choose which its going to have if a split is to happen, no?

You have full rights to the camp.. the other players are breaking the server rules and you should petition for GM. This is my point. You do not have to share it. The lack of respect from the other players deserves no respect in my mind and I'd be telling them to go buzz off .. even if you were doing the camp solo. This is the point. People need to learn the rules of the server and what are camps.

The example of multiple camps being held and needing to split up off stuff when another party comes to contest can best be express in a zone like guk. You have the Frenzied area, You have the Lord, the hand ... ect .. as a player you can kill all you want until someone comes to contest one of those spawns. And then as per server rules ... You have the right to choose between the things you are killing and what the other players are wanting to go after.

That is not the case here with the Goblins of Highkeep -- GM states Its one camp where on Classic/Live it used to be many. And I can see how it could be 4 camps easily saying each room is a camp. But again here on 99... GM Cylock has stated it is one camp. So defend it - report those that don't respect you / your right to hold the camp. Personally I am starting to feel more and more players don't understand the server rules or have never even bothered to read them which is not my fault. Their failure does not constitute a reason I should have to allow their bad behavior and thus I feel the GM's should assign them a bit of a vacation to think about their actions. If you don't report the bad behavior it will never get corrected and the toxic players will continue to cause issue on the server - I'd rather have a cleaner community of respectful players... thanks...

PS the best thing you can do to help defend your rights is turn logging on at the start of the game. Me personally mine is on and I have no issue sending a GM a full log, unedited though its too bad in most cases its too big to submit through the limited upload capabilities currently in place. Additional you can take screen shots / video of the bad behaviors such as spawn stealing .. which is what is happen here .. although in server rule its listed under KSing but that is slightly different animal.

[Crashking]

Cylock tells you, ('no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic.) Classic not P99

Yeah it was one room ... but not on p99'

You should read it one more time with how it was meant to be read. I also corrected the spelling errors.

You have seemed to gloss over the first line of the chat log.. so i will recast it here again for your reading pleasure

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying Rogean deemed each room here a camp but i couldn't find this on the forums when i searched.. it that truly the case?'

The response "[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

Break down of the reply so its more easily understandable

no, that entire area is one camp
back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room --> IE one room per person / group
... but not on p99' - meaning its one camp.

Read the entire context and not just how you would like it to be because the original question pose to Cylock is if the area should be each room is a camp.. if it was .. I would have expected more of a response .. yes this is correct.. 1 room to a person / group. See the fun thing about simple English is when expressed properly its very hard to argue with so I hope you can understand the break down of the complex reply from Cylock here now when taken in its full context in response to the actual question asked.

[Crashking]

Like a boulder tossed in the ocean, we are still seeing the ripples of the displaced seafury crew.

I am sorry but you are incorrect here if you are meaning that comment towards my game play. If you mean it as to how and why others are doing their bad behavior... then yes I can agree it might be part of the cause for such.

[Crashking]

If you aren't willing to share the precious goblins, you're the evil elf.

Isn't that what the dark elfs are all about?? :confused:



And its not my ability to share that is at fault here. :D

its the toxic behavior of others that think they can just come in and take things from you

[branamil]

Honey what are you so upset about?

> Someone kill stole my level 30 goblin :<

Mother was right, I should have married someone else

[Swish]

You have seemed to gloss over the first line of the chat log.. so i will recast it here again for your reading pleasure

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying Rogean deemed each room here a camp but i couldn't find this on the forums when i searched.. it that truly the case?'

The response "[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

Break down of the reply so its more easily understandable

no, that entire area is one camp
back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room --> IE one room per person / group
... but not on p99' - meaning its one camp.

Read the entire context and not just how you would like it to be because the original question pose to Cylock is if the area should be each room is a camp.. if it was .. I would have expected more of a response .. yes this is correct.. 1 room to a person / group. See the fun thing about simple English is when expressed properly its very hard to argue with so I hope you can understand the break down of the complex reply from Cylock here now when taken in its full context in response to the actual question asked.

I did and I read it differently to you, which again is why I said it's good that we don't have a hard copy of written sets of rules for people to "read as they like" and twist/abuse.

Cylock's reply wasn't complex at all, quite the opposite. Why did you only post an extract from the log and not the full log? I can imagine why :rolleyes:

[Jimjam]

I am sorry but you are incorrect here if you are meaning that comment towards my game play. If you mean it as to how and why others are doing their bad behavior... then yes I can agree it might be part of the cause for such.

Not a criticism on you, I found level 60 mages farming plat off level 38 giants to be risible, to hear they are now doing the same, but to level 28 goblins in popular xp spots is just a new level of absurdity to me.

Seriously, guys. Form a crew.

[Tupakk]

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying Rogean deemed each room here a camp but i couldn't find this on the forums when i searched.. it that truly the case?'

The response "[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

Break down of the reply so its more easily understandable

no, that entire area is one camp
back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room --> IE one room per person / group
... but not on p99' - meaning its one camp.

Read the entire context and not just how you would like it to be because the original question pose to Cylock is if the area should be each room is a camp.. if it was .. I would have expected more of a response .. yes this is correct.. 1 room to a person / group. See the fun thing about simple English is when expressed properly its very hard to argue with so I hope you can understand the break down of the complex reply from Cylock here now when taken in its full context in response to the actual question asked.

Commas are hard for you aren't they. So I shall further further break it down.

No, (answering back you are wrong with a simple word) that area is one camp,(comma pause for inflection for the next part) back in True( further inflection on true) classic. Yea( broken English to make you feel a bit better for telling you something you didn't want to hear) it was(hence the past tense here Was ) one room ... ( 3 dots means he was sipping his coffee scratching his head while finishing off his statement and dealing the final blow ) but not on p99.

Now a normal person who can grasp this would be like oh well shit but you sir cried out looking for someone to agree with your twist on it.

GL out there.

[Gumbo]

Going back to EQ Live back in 1999 was The HK Goblins was broken down into 3 camps as easy, medium and hard. You used to have 3 different groups in each room. This was also when you had normal players who had normal equipment.

Now on P99, you have level 30 players carrying level 50+ twink gear so all 3 rooms have always been just one camp. This also cuts down the all the trains from players who think they can take the hard room by themselves and come running with all the Goblins.

Now you can give one of the room away if you are there first but why bother... I can always say from experience that I have used 3 characters there and every group I was in, held down all 3 rooms as one camp...

[Lhancelot]

I have used 3 characters there and every group I was in, held down all 3 rooms as one camp...

I have been in groups like this too, as it's the norm in HHK. But, I have also been in groups where the warlord room (iirc?) with higher lvl goblins was being camped separately by some higher level, which was annoying because we were clearing everything else so easily that room would have been nice to have too.

As I understand it, if you can't visibly see the mob spot where you are setting camp up, technically you can't call it your camp then. Which is why, those rooms can be considered and taken as an individual camp.

It's a bit retarded in cases like this where one little wall blocks the view of the goblin merbs, but, it is what it is.

Basically there's too many other spots to XP at to let someone rile you up. Petition someone if they harass you with KSing, and/or leave and find a new place before you grow emotional over merbs. This is unhealthy.

[Sorn]

Commas are hard for you aren't they. So I shall further further break it down.

No, (answering back you are wrong with a simple word) that area is one camp,(comma pause for inflection for the next part) back in True( further inflection on true) classic. Yea( broken English to make you feel a bit better for telling you something you didn't want to hear) it was(hence the past tense here Was ) one room ... ( 3 dots means he was sipping his coffee scratching his head while finishing off his statement and dealing the final blow ) but not on p99.

Now a normal person who can grasp this would be like oh well shit but you sir cried out looking for someone to agree with your twist on it.

GL out there.

Thank Tunare you're here, Tupakk. I couldn't understand anything Cylock said because the syntax was so horrible. See, I read it like this:

You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying Rogean deemed each room here a camp

the info

but i couldn't find this on the forums when i searched.. it that truly the case?'

the question

Rephrased: Is it the case that each room here is a separate camp?

Cylock tells you, 'no,

Translation: "No, it is not the case that each room is a separate camp."

that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic.

Translation: "That entire area is one camp," INAPPROPRIATE COMMA SHOULD BE A FULL STOP

Translation: "back in TRUE classic." INAPPROPRIATE FULL STOP SHOULD BE A COMMA

Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

Translation: "It was formerly one room [per camp], but not on p99" (the word room was used rather than area)

Conclusion: On p99, the entire area is one camp. In classic live era, it used to be several camps, divided by room.

If I corrected Cylock's punctuation, it would look like this:

Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp. Back in TRUE classic, yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

[Lhancelot]

I couldn't understand anything Cylock said because the syntax was so horrible.

He's an ogre he can't help it.

[Sorn]

He's an ogre he can't help it.

XD

[kotton05]

Had an issue here the other day where 2 players came in and started camping warrior room while our group had been keeping it all clear for hours, albeit from the normal kill spot at stairs.

Totally understand splitting the goblins up mentality, dont agree, but understand. With that said, the longer standing group should have the right to choose which its going to have if a split is to happen, no?

At that point just move into the room and dps race till they leave.

[Triiz]

I read it the same way as OP, because HHK goblins were never just one camp in 1999-2000. It was multiple camps on Veeshan and every server I've ever heard someone talk about it.

I also read it the same way as Sorn because OP asked if it was one camp and Cylock starts with "No". OP didn't ask if it was multiple camps, at least not in that log.

Either way, the 60 mage farming HHK goblins is the bad guy here.

[Tupakk]

Thank Tunare you're here, Tupakk. I couldn't understand anything Cylock said because the syntax was so horrible. See, I read it like this:



the info


the question

Rephrased: Is it the case that each room here is a separate camp?



Translation: "No, it is not the case that each room is a separate camp."



Translation: "That entire area is one camp," INAPPROPRIATE COMMA SHOULD BE A FULL STOP

Translation: "back in TRUE classic." INAPPROPRIATE FULL STOP SHOULD BE A COMMA



Translation: "It was formerly one room [per camp], but not on p99" (the word room was used rather than area)

Conclusion: On p99, the entire area is one camp. In classic live era, it used to be several camps, divided by room.

If I corrected Cylock's punctuation, it would look like this:

Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp. Back in TRUE classic, yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"


I read it as I see it. *Muah* get off my koblob

[Cecily]

Congrats on translating the very opposite of what Cylock meant, Sorn. Lol.
He's saying all the goblins were one camp in classic, but it's not the case on P99.

[Argh]

Live action rule lawyering.

[Sorn]

I read it as I see it. *Muah* get off my koblob

you and your isskar

[Cecily]

Live action rule lawyering.

No. It's reading comprehension. I'm not invested in it one way or the other. My groups always make it 1 camp regardless through creative shadiness.

[skarlorn]

Isn't that what the dark elfs are all about?? :confused:



And its not my ability to share that is at fault here. :D

its the toxic behavior of others that think they can just come in and take things from you

awesome point thanks for clearing up my confusion

[skarlorn]

No. It's reading comprehension. I'm not invested in it one way or the other. My groups always make it 1 camp regardless through creative shadiness.

hey it was a lot of fun grouping last night, lets do it again soon this week

[Tupakk]

No. It's reading comprehension. I'm not invested in it one way or the other. My groups always make it 1 camp regardless through creative shadiness.

Agreed.

Anyone that moves in that is met with hospitality most likely won't take the spot. However if you start spewing nonsense you better believe they are going to dig in deeper.


Pretty simple to follow the number 1 rule : Be Nice

[Pokesan]

multiple camps in classic, one camp on p99.

[shuklak]

Calm em down, someone about to go zerk!

[fadetree]

Not a criticism on you, I found level 60 mages farming plat off level 38 giants to be risible, to hear they are now doing the same, but to level 28 goblins in popular xp spots is just a new level of absurdity to me.

Seriously, guys. Form a crew.

+1 for using risible.

This is what happened to JC. He came down, said some sensible stuff, and then we proceeded to rule-lawyer and argue for centuries. God is like /facepalm.

[Crashking]

Thank Tunare you're here, Tupakk. I couldn't understand anything Cylock said because the syntax was so horrible. See, I read it like this:



the info


the question

Rephrased: Is it the case that each room here is a separate camp?



Translation: "No, it is not the case that each room is a separate camp."



Translation: "That entire area is one camp," INAPPROPRIATE COMMA SHOULD BE A FULL STOP

Translation: "back in TRUE classic." INAPPROPRIATE FULL STOP SHOULD BE A COMMA



Translation: "It was formerly one room [per camp], but not on p99" (the word room was used rather than area)

Conclusion: On p99, the entire area is one camp. In classic live era, it used to be several camps, divided by room.

If I corrected Cylock's punctuation, it would look like this:

Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp. Back in TRUE classic, yea it was one room ... but not on p99'"

This was exactly what I was expressing by posting the post in the first place. Camp has been ruled as 1 area. This is what I was stating and yet Tupakk seems to be arguing against that factor. As you can read in my other response, my interpretation of what should have been said if it was considered different camps.

From earlier post:
Read the entire context and not just how you would like it to be because the original question posed to Cylock is if the area should be each room is a camp.. if it was .. I would have expected more of a response .. yes this is correct.. 1 room to a person / group.

So I hope this arguing over what i meant by my starting post can finally be ended... I am of the fact Cylock is saying it is one camp. I can easily see how it could be broken apart. If Tupakk has been arguing point of one camp then somehow he has been missing the fact I was stating the same as that is how I have been stating the information provided by GM Cylock reads.

The total point of the post was to hopefully put an end to invaders by having a public reference, because of a recent issue with another player wanting to just barge in. He wouldn't take my word about what Cylock had stated, so I wanted to put it up here for all to see and thus not be like the player's response, I don't care what you have in chat log, I can't see that. So now its here, it is on view, it can be referenced. I can see how its going to have its good side and its bad, but it is what it is. Any player that has come by and xp'ed while i was there is quite aware of my ability to share the area, but those that are disrespectful will be told to go eat mud. -- CASE CLOSED!

[Tupakk]

This was exactly what I was expressing by posting the post in the first place. Camp has been ruled as 1 area. This is what I was stating and yet Tupakk seems to be arguing against that factor. As you can read in my other response, my interpretation of what should have been said if it was considered different camps.

From earlier post:
Read the entire context and not just how you would like it to be because the original question posed to Cylock is if the area should be each room is a camp.. if it was .. I would have expected more of a response .. yes this is correct.. 1 room to a person / group.

So I hope this arguing over what i meant by my starting post can finally be ended... I am of the fact Cylock is saying it is one camp. I can easily see how it could be broken apart. If Tupakk has been arguing point of one camp then somehow he has been missing the fact I was stating the same as that is how I have been stating the information provided by GM Cylock reads.

The total point of the post was to hopefully put an end to invaders by having a public reference, because of a recent issue with another player wanting to just barge in. He wouldn't take my word about what Cylock had stated, so I wanted to put it up here for all to see and thus not be like the player's response, I don't care what you have in chat log, I can't see that. So now its here, it is on view, it can be referenced. I can see how its going to have its good side and its bad, but it is what it is. Any player that has come by and xp'ed while i was there is quite aware of my ability to share the area, but those that are disrespectful will be told to go eat mud. -- CASE CLOSED!

Don't pick just me out of the group. It's a tie right now for wording 3v3.

Maybe you should get Cylock in here to actually say what he means and not what you think he thought he meant.

[Pokesan]

who wants to bet on cylocks meaning?

seriously bet me a good item so i get to have it and you get to be wrong

[Mistle]

It was four camps in classic. LR, GR, WR, and RR (lookout room, guard room, warrior room, raider room).

What the rule here is probably changes by the minute as the guide frantically tries to figure out how to get rid of the petition while saying nothing that could be construed as an actual precedent setting judgement.

[skarlorn]

cyclock just shaking his ogre head at this page of nerds squabbling over their right to genocide the last spawns of Ankexfen

[Tupakk]

https://i.imgur.com/SPIKJ2R.png

First thing this kid does when the server comes back up. Also noted I have made troll status according what he said that Cylock said. /me cheers

[maskedmelonpai]

too many people prefer to be mean and promoted neckbeardery with lines and turns when they could just shake hands and see who can get the most goblins.

it liek hungry hungry hippos. you try and feed you hippo as much as possible so it stay happy and healthy and that what everyone else do. no need to rage at someone else if they doing better job of feeding they hippo, you just need to do better. and guess what? when you finish, it all up for grabs again. everyone get to try again as many times as they want.

it really odd that people complain so much about neckbeards and then promote it themselves. Things like alpha, camps, lists, ALL promote neckbearding :c

[Pokesan]

what was the name

:o

[Tupakk]

what was the name

:o

Million dollar question. Another one of Cylocks riddles. Damn you Cylock and your secrets.

[skarlorn]

the greatest thing about this thread is that Tupakk is giving OP the reacharound by using ambiguous syntax on his Guide account (cyclock) and then directly contradicting himself on the Tupakk account.

Well played, Cyclock!

[Tupakk]

the greatest thing about this thread is that Tupakk is giving OP the reacharound by using ambiguous syntax on his Guide account (cyclock) and then directly contradicting himself on the Tupakk account.

Well played, Cyclock!

Lol idk what you are talking about

[Gumbo]

That's it... Since this has gone on for 6 pages. It has been decided that the Goblins are going to be shipped out and relocated to a new zone...

Only damn zone I know where the whole upstairs can be walking around with sword swinging Knights and their whole basement is wall to wall Goblins and the Knights don't give a damn... Oh yea, they are too busy dealing with Necromancers and Monks.

[Swish]

too many people prefer to be mean and promoted neckbeardery with lines and turns when they could just shake hands and see who can get the most goblins.

it liek hungry hungry hippos. you try and feed you hippo as much as possible so it stay happy and healthy and that what everyone else do. no need to rage at someone else if they doing better job of feeding they hippo, you just need to do better. and guess what? when you finish, it all up for grabs again. everyone get to try again as many times as they want.

it really odd that people complain so much about neckbeards and then promote it themselves. Things like alpha, camps, lists, ALL promote neckbearding :c

I like the hungry hippos analogy, you can also apply it to the EC scene...except its running in slow motion.

[Crom]

diffrent camps on bertoxx back in classic

[Itap]

Lookout room, Main room, Warrior room, Raider room.

[Kesselring]

I'm honestly surprised this post is about the goblins and not the guards/nobles. When I leveled in highkeep, those guards had every iksar monk on the edge of his fucking keyboard.

[Lifebar]

Lookout room, Main room, Warrior room, Raider room.

Same on Drinal back in the day. No wonder it took me forever to cap out.

[loramin]

This really highlights the dilemma the staff faces: because different servers were different, everyone has different memories of what is/isn't classic. No matter what rule set the staff adopts, someone is going to bitch about how it wasn't that way on their server.

They should just forget about trying to make rules that were identical to the ones on classic, and instead try and come up with the most reasonable and consistent rules they can here ... and as far as I can tell that's (more or less) what they do.

[Raavak]

Play nice.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

You don't have a monopoly on fun.

[mcoy]

Play nice.
You don't have a monopoly on fun.

*ahem*

-Mcoy

[Cylock]

it's like hungry hungry hippos.

I like hungry hungry hippos

Damn you Cylock and your secrets.

I have all of the secrets!

Behave Tupakk :)


I would also like to add pick pocketing is classic

[skarlorn]

HIGHHOLD KEEP EDITION
http://i.imgur.com/KY6LMij.jpg

JSYK, p99 camp rules are based off of monopoly. Just because you get one property in a set, it doesn't mean you own the whole set. In this instance, you're arguing that owning Park Place means you also own Boardwalk. Nope! You have to purchase Boardwalk by giving me 500 platinum (the neutral banker) in order to claim Boardwalk.

My Supreme Court verdict is that OP is a no-fun-loving shenanigan hater and I'm sending him to Jail!

http://i.imgur.com/SBUl2ie.jpg

Here's a pic of the fun-hating petition-making OP in Jail! Yes, you may throw tater tots at him, but make sure they are rancid lest he wrap his grubby fingers around their crusted shells and suck them into his wet lips.

http://i.imgur.com/6WkCPdW.jpg

[Tupakk]

I like hungry hungry hippos



I have all of the secrets!

Behave Tupakk :)


I would also like to add pick pocketing is classic


If I must but I do so cause I want to not cause you told me.



Also you let this go so many pages before you said something. I'm surprised you got permission.

[Cylock]

Permission?

lol

http://i.imgur.com/CHB4q2f.jpg

[maskedmelonpai]

yeah, why would someone need permission to like hungry hungry hippos?:rolleyes:

[Gumbo]

Are we still talking about if this is one camp or four camps?

All this time, I could have gone down into HK, killed the Goblins and moved on because they weren't giving me any experience anymore...

[Tupakk]

Are we still talking about if this is one camp or four camps?

All this time, I could have gone down into HK, killed the Goblins and moved on because they weren't giving me any experience anymore...

Yes, yes we are.

[Crashking]

Are we still talking about if this is one camp or four camps?

All this time, I could have gone down into HK, killed the Goblins and moved on because they weren't giving me any experience anymore...

No no we aren't arguing it at all, because a ruling was made. Someone didn't want to believe the information I was providing because "I can't see what was in your chat log" - SO NOW ITS IN PUBLIC VIEW. And as for server rules yes they are there, now lets see how many can actually read them, understand them and follow them.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

So time to put the nails into this coffin - from the server rule page about a camp.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone (this includes dying/"corpsing" items), you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

##########

So killing the goblins give that player ownership of the camp and it is up to them .. how and if they want to share it. The only argument that could be made here is if this is one or more camps, but as originally stated in the first post I was informed it was one camp... I am playing by that information until someone of higher authority states otherwise.

Onto other Play Nice Policy (PNP) sections:

6. Foul language is not permitted, in any language.

Excessive use of foul language in an inappropriate context, including swear words, real-world racial slurs, and other language that is not consistent with the fantasy environment and designed to hurt, will be considered a disruption. The existence of the filter (/filter) is not a license to be profane.

7. You may not harass others.

Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. As harassment can take many forms, the P99CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not a "reasonable person" would feel harassed and act accordingly.

&&&&&&&&&&&

So for all those have i have encountered that have been rude and acted like jerks I will tell you this here in pubic as i have done in game --- respect gets respect as others have found out and grouping in the area along side me... getting xp and loot just fine. Those that come barging in and taking spawns just because they have failed to do some simple investigation or communication can just go eat mud!!!

I will defend my right to the camp each and every time I am there, I will not take any crap from player no matter who you are or what guild you belong to. I with just tell you to go away your presence is unwanted and your continued involvement in the area will be treated as harassment of me or those I am with -- IE see the above section on harassment. :mad:

And as to Cylock's comment about pick pocketing being legal.. sure fine i understand that express point.. but I am of the opinion if I am there to get the loot (IE EARS) then some player coming in and pick pocketing mobs while I am killing at the camp. Is disruptive and harassing behavior because it is taking away from my enjoyment and goal - that of getting the ears and loot myself which I am actively working towards by killing the mobs with the chance at death, where the pick pocket types i have seen are just trying to use a jank technique though a built in game mechanic to get what they want and then have someone else do the dirty work of getting the mobs to reset for a new set of loot for them, be this guards or a player that is actually killing the spawns and not affiliate with that person or been provided express permission to do this. :eek:

So with all that said, to the fellow players out there.. do some simple and courteous things like Camp Check.. because I will tell you if I am at a camp I damn well will call it out even if i step away to go sell or bank as such is capable there in Highkeep. I can understand that you might not want to tip off others of where you want to camp in case its not taken, but often it will save you time of travel though the zone when it surely is taken. If you really don't mind the travel or are persistent in only believing it by a visual check so be it.. come look.. stand at the camp .. and then call the check to see who responds. Often you will see that not all the mobs are up, you might not be able to see a player as they are down in the lower area while upper area is re-spawning, this doesn't not mean you get a free shot at any mob standing around. This is the #1 way to put a bad foot forward.. and get the EAT MUD reply. :eek:

If you just learn to communicate as a whole, often you will find that the community can get along, but act like an A$$, get treated like one. It just that plain and simple. I've have many a discussion about my treatment at the camp with others that have been on the polite variety and they agree the treatment I have receive would prompt similar responses from them to those that have been rude.

Just get over the idea you are entitled to something just because some isn't standing right on top of the spawn point for the instant the NPC re-spawns. :confused:

I have full logs that support my position in both regards.. my treatment / harassment, and those that have shared the camp and agree that the treatment should not be tolerated. I have offered these within all claims i have made, its just too bad the system won't let me seen in the unedited proof.

I will say one last thing about a PNP rule... 1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

Kill stealing of a mob / camp that doesn't belong to you should be punished. Taking away a mob from someone trying to invade that which you have rights to.. should not as I should have the right to defend my camp and the mobs in it.

From this point forward I consider this matter closed... If you want to debate amongst yourself, I don't care. This is my view, This is how i see the rules. If Rogean wants to provide me with any clarifications he can certainly PM me and we can talk.

So for the lil ones that are thinking about running around and pick pocketing mobs from another's camp... well Cylock... you just opened a whole new can of worms - because now it is out here in the public eye so I suspect to see more players doing it, thus causing more grief to all. It is my feeling this is a form of harassment that should not be tolerated while someone has a camp. If they want to play around pick pocketing on mobs that are in a camp not engage.. so be it.. as I am not there to be harassed by their action which are contrary to mine. Also if some is doing this pick pocket stuff grabbing agro on a fail and training mobs to the guards. that isn't camping by the rules as I see here.. and I will be stepping in to take the camp if that is the area I desire because as I recall reading training to guards is contrary to actually owning a camp. I have the decency though to see if it is a habitual thing .. or just an off chance of bad luck.

I am quite surprised this topic has pushed out into 8 pages.. but then some posts have seemed to be off-topic - either way I'm concluding my portion of this thread. & as Jerry would say ... THAT'S MY FINAL THOUGHT - so be kind to one another because we are all here for a good time though it might not be for a long time.:rolleyes:

[Swish]

No no we aren't arguing it at all, because a ruling was made. Someone didn't want to believe the information I was providing because "I can't see what was in your chat log" - SO NOW ITS IN PUBLIC VIEW. And as for server rules yes they are there, now lets see how many can actually read them, understand them and follow them.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

So time to put the nails into this coffin - from the server rule page about a camp.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone (this includes dying/"corpsing" items), you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

##########

So killing the goblins give that player ownership of the camp and it is up to them .. how and if they want to share it. The only argument that could be made here is if this is one or more camps, but as originally stated in the first post I was informed it was one camp... I am playing by that information until someone of higher authority states otherwise.

Onto other Play Nice Policy (PNP) sections:

6. Foul language is not permitted, in any language.

Excessive use of foul language in an inappropriate context, including swear words, real-world racial slurs, and other language that is not consistent with the fantasy environment and designed to hurt, will be considered a disruption. The existence of the filter (/filter) is not a license to be profane.

7. You may not harass others.

Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. As harassment can take many forms, the P99CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not a "reasonable person" would feel harassed and act accordingly.

&&&&&&&&&&&

So for all those have i have encountered that have been rude and acted like jerks I will tell you this here in pubic as i have done in game --- respect gets respect as others have found out and grouping in the area along side me... getting xp and loot just fine. Those that come barging in and taking spawns just because they have failed to do some simple investigation or communication can just go eat mud!!!

I will defend my right to the camp each and every time I am there, I will not take any crap from player no matter who you are or what guild you belong to. I with just tell you to go away your presence is unwanted and your continued involvement in the area will be treated as harassment of me or those I am with -- IE see the above section on harassment. :mad:

And as to Cylock's comment about pick pocketing being legal.. sure fine i understand that express point.. but I am of the opinion if I am there to get the loot (IE EARS) then some player coming in and pick pocketing mobs while I am killing at the camp. Is disruptive and harassing behavior because it is taking away from my enjoyment and goal - that of getting the ears and loot myself which I am actively working towards by killing the mobs with the chance at death, where the pick pocket types i have seen are just trying to use a jank technique though a built in game mechanic to get what they want and then have someone else do the dirty work of getting the mobs to reset for a new set of loot for them, be this guards or a player that is actually killing the spawns and not affiliate with that person or been provided express permission to do this. :eek:

So with all that said, to the fellow players out there.. do some simple and courteous things like Camp Check.. because I will tell you if I am at a camp I damn well will call it out even if i step away to go sell or bank as such is capable there in Highkeep. I can understand that you might not want to tip off others of where you want to camp in case its not taken, but often it will save you time of travel though the zone when it surely is taken. If you really don't mind the travel or are persistent in only believing it by a visual check so be it.. come look.. stand at the camp .. and then call the check to see who responds. Often you will see that not all the mobs are up, you might not be able to see a player as they are down in the lower area while upper area is re-spawning, this doesn't not mean you get a free shot at any mob standing around. This is the #1 way to put a bad foot forward.. and get the EAT MUD reply. :eek:

If you just learn to communicate as a whole, often you will find that the community can get along, but act like an A$$, get treated like one. It just that plain and simple. I've have many a discussion about my treatment at the camp with others that have been on the polite variety and they agree the treatment I have receive would prompt similar responses from them to those that have been rude.

Just get over the idea you are entitled to something just because some isn't standing right on top of the spawn point for the instant the NPC re-spawns. :confused:

I have full logs that support my position in both regards.. my treatment / harassment, and those that have shared the camp and agree that the treatment should not be tolerated. I have offered these within all claims i have made, its just too bad the system won't let me seen in the unedited proof.

I will say one last thing about a PNP rule... 1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

Kill stealing of a mob / camp that doesn't belong to you should be punished. Taking away a mob from someone trying to invade that which you have rights to.. should not as I should have the right to defend my camp and the mobs in it.

From this point forward I consider this matter closed... If you want to debate amongst yourself, I don't care. This is my view, This is how i see the rules. If Rogean wants to provide me with any clarifications he can certainly PM me and we can talk.

So for the lil ones that are thinking about running around and pick pocketing mobs from another's camp... well Cylock... you just opened a whole new can of worms - because now it is out here in the public eye so I suspect to see more players doing it, thus causing more grief to all. It is my feeling this is a form of harassment that should not be tolerated while someone has a camp. If they want to play around pick pocketing on mobs that are in a camp not engage.. so be it.. as I am not there to be harassed by their action which are contrary to mine. Also if some is doing this pick pocket stuff grabbing agro on a fail and training mobs to the guards. that isn't camping by the rules as I see here.. and I will be stepping in to take the camp if that is the area I desire because as I recall reading training to guards is contrary to actually owning a camp. I have the decency though to see if it is a habitual thing .. or just an off chance of bad luck.

I am quite surprised this topic has pushed out into 8 pages.. but then some posts have seemed to be off-topic - either way I'm concluding my portion of this thread. & as Jerry would say ... THAT'S MY FINAL THOUGHT - so be kind to one another because we are all here for a good time though it might not be for a long time.:rolleyes:



http://i.imgur.com/R5XRp.gif


OP you need to learn what "economy of expression" is <3

[shuklak]

Crash going zerk. Don't let him zerk!

[Tupakk]

No no we aren't arguing it at all, because a ruling was made. Someone didn't want to believe the information I was providing because "I can't see what was in your chat log" - SO NOW ITS IN PUBLIC VIEW. And as for server rules yes they are there, now lets see how many can actually read them, understand them and follow them.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

So time to put the nails into this coffin - from the server rule page about a camp.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone (this includes dying/"corpsing" items), you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

##########

So killing the goblins give that player ownership of the camp and it is up to them .. how and if they want to share it. The only argument that could be made here is if this is one or more camps, but as originally stated in the first post I was informed it was one camp... I am playing by that information until someone of higher authority states otherwise.

Onto other Play Nice Policy (PNP) sections:

6. Foul language is not permitted, in any language.

Excessive use of foul language in an inappropriate context, including swear words, real-world racial slurs, and other language that is not consistent with the fantasy environment and designed to hurt, will be considered a disruption. The existence of the filter (/filter) is not a license to be profane.

7. You may not harass others.

Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. As harassment can take many forms, the P99CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not a "reasonable person" would feel harassed and act accordingly.

&&&&&&&&&&&

So for all those have i have encountered that have been rude and acted like jerks I will tell you this here in pubic as i have done in game --- respect gets respect as others have found out and grouping in the area along side me... getting xp and loot just fine. Those that come barging in and taking spawns just because they have failed to do some simple investigation or communication can just go eat mud!!!

I will defend my right to the camp each and every time I am there, I will not take any crap from player no matter who you are or what guild you belong to. I with just tell you to go away your presence is unwanted and your continued involvement in the area will be treated as harassment of me or those I am with -- IE see the above section on harassment. :mad:

And as to Cylock's comment about pick pocketing being legal.. sure fine i understand that express point.. but I am of the opinion if I am there to get the loot (IE EARS) then some player coming in and pick pocketing mobs while I am killing at the camp. Is disruptive and harassing behavior because it is taking away from my enjoyment and goal - that of getting the ears and loot myself which I am actively working towards by killing the mobs with the chance at death, where the pick pocket types i have seen are just trying to use a jank technique though a built in game mechanic to get what they want and then have someone else do the dirty work of getting the mobs to reset for a new set of loot for them, be this guards or a player that is actually killing the spawns and not affiliate with that person or been provided express permission to do this. :eek:

So with all that said, to the fellow players out there.. do some simple and courteous things like Camp Check.. because I will tell you if I am at a camp I damn well will call it out even if i step away to go sell or bank as such is capable there in Highkeep. I can understand that you might not want to tip off others of where you want to camp in case its not taken, but often it will save you time of travel though the zone when it surely is taken. If you really don't mind the travel or are persistent in only believing it by a visual check so be it.. come look.. stand at the camp .. and then call the check to see who responds. Often you will see that not all the mobs are up, you might not be able to see a player as they are down in the lower area while upper area is re-spawning, this doesn't not mean you get a free shot at any mob standing around. This is the #1 way to put a bad foot forward.. and get the EAT MUD reply. :eek:

If you just learn to communicate as a whole, often you will find that the community can get along, but act like an A$$, get treated like one. It just that plain and simple. I've have many a discussion about my treatment at the camp with others that have been on the polite variety and they agree the treatment I have receive would prompt similar responses from them to those that have been rude.

Just get over the idea you are entitled to something just because some isn't standing right on top of the spawn point for the instant the NPC re-spawns. :confused:

I have full logs that support my position in both regards.. my treatment / harassment, and those that have shared the camp and agree that the treatment should not be tolerated. I have offered these within all claims i have made, its just too bad the system won't let me seen in the unedited proof.

I will say one last thing about a PNP rule... 1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

Kill stealing of a mob / camp that doesn't belong to you should be punished. Taking away a mob from someone trying to invade that which you have rights to.. should not as I should have the right to defend my camp and the mobs in it.

From this point forward I consider this matter closed... If you want to debate amongst yourself, I don't care. This is my view, This is how i see the rules. If Rogean wants to provide me with any clarifications he can certainly PM me and we can talk.

So for the lil ones that are thinking about running around and pick pocketing mobs from another's camp... well Cylock... you just opened a whole new can of worms - because now it is out here in the public eye so I suspect to see more players doing it, thus causing more grief to all. It is my feeling this is a form of harassment that should not be tolerated while someone has a camp. If they want to play around pick pocketing on mobs that are in a camp not engage.. so be it.. as I am not there to be harassed by their action which are contrary to mine. Also if some is doing this pick pocket stuff grabbing agro on a fail and training mobs to the guards. that isn't camping by the rules as I see here.. and I will be stepping in to take the camp if that is the area I desire because as I recall reading training to guards is contrary to actually owning a camp. I have the decency though to see if it is a habitual thing .. or just an off chance of bad luck.

I am quite surprised this topic has pushed out into 8 pages.. but then some posts have seemed to be off-topic - either way I'm concluding my portion of this thread. & as Jerry would say ... THAT'S MY FINAL THOUGHT - so be kind to one another because we are all here for a good time though it might not be for a long time.:rolleyes:


TLDR??

Make this kid a guide we need another GG scandal. Will pay for his training myself.

[Tupakk]

When you change commas and periods, it means a completely different thing. Yes, changing it the way you did does make it read completely different.

Boom 4 to 3 in favor of us.

[Lhancelot]

http://i.imgur.com/R5XRp.gif


OP you need to learn what "economy of expression" is <3

QFT ^^

[aaezil]

Congrats on translating the very opposite of what Cylock meant, Sorn. Lol.
He's saying all the goblins were one camp in classic, but it's not the case on P99.

cylock was wrong then (if thats what he truly meant to say - nobody knows, right?)

[NegaStoat]

Classic example of a line where punctuation changes everything

-- what do you think I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink --

"What do you think? I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink!"
"What! Do you think I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink?"

Let's take a look at what the GM said.

-- 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99' --

"Yea it was one room ... but not on p99"

That's the key to the whole thing. The first part affirms that the implied camp or situation in this case WAS one room, or one camp on SOME classic old retail servers. The second part affirms that the previous described state is a negative on p99, or a state that is not present.

OR

The first part affirms that the specific set of goblin spawns in question was considered one room, or one camp, all on its own. And the second part affirms that a negative of that state is present on P1999, and thus ALL of the goblin spawns are one camp.

My gut tells me that going off of standard English language literature and communication, the first one is what the GM was asserting. This hinges on the speaker's first part (''no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic.") being used to describe a state on previous retail servers, with emphasis given to 'TRUE classic' (note caps). This strongly implies an X / Y comparison, with p1999 being Y, thus implied different, to X (old retail). Thus asserting Y (p1999) has a difference found with the goblin spawns being their own set of different camps.

The OP's confusion is understandable. A moderate amount of clarity is lacking with what the GM said.

[trite]

This post is to make everyone aware of what GM Cylock had to say about the camp as I have had way too much trouble here in what i call paradise. This is an exact excerpt from my logfile when speaking to GM Cylock over issue I had with a level 60 mage who decided to walk in and obliterate the area and not even loot from the mobs.

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying rogean deam each room here a camp but i couldnt find this on the forums when i seached.. it that truely the case?'

[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:34 2017] You told Cylock '[queued], okay good to know thanks'

So the next time someone comes to gank on mobs when the camp is already owned, I will be pointing them to this. You have now been informed, so let their be peace over this little slice of paradise.

During kunark era on the live server povar, every room was held by a different group, guard room, lookout room, warrior room and raider room....there was a list to get into each group....

If he is saying the whole goblin area was one camp in classic, that isn't true...no idea what he was actually trying to say...

[Llandris]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

[loramin]

After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page.

Speaking of being on the "same page", I've had an idea for awhile now of adding camp information to the wiki. For instance, I might add a sentence to the Highkeep page that says "The entire basement can be camped by a single person, but if others wish to share the basement it can/should be divided into as many as four different camps" (and then include a link to this thread).

I haven't done it yet though because it might constrain future staff rulings (and I certainly don't want to make anyone's life harder). But if it's not a problem I think it might be helpful for people, especially those that don't read the forums. So would something like that be welcome or discouraged?

P.S. Thanks again for the assistance last night; we're all very lucky to have such great volunteers helping us!

[Axlrose]

(snip snip)

So for all those have i have encountered that have been rude and acted like jerks I will tell you this here in pubic as i have done in game ...

(snip snip)

*insert Beavis's and Butt-Head's laughter here* :p

[skarlorn]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

Also, pick pocket is classic.

PRAS THE STAFF

[Cecily]

Speaking of being on the "same page", I've had an idea for awhile now of adding camp information to the wiki. For instance, I might add a sentence to the Highkeep page that says "The entire basement can be camped by a single person, but if others wish to share the basement it can/should be divided into as many as four different camps" (and then include a link to this thread).

I haven't done it yet though because it might constrain future staff rulings (and I certainly don't want to make anyone's life harder). But if it's not a problem I think it might be helpful for people, especially those that don't read the forums. So would something like that be welcome or discouraged?

P.S. Thanks again for the assistance last night; we're all very lucky to have such great volunteers helping us!

Fuck off, no. Camps are intentionally undefined.

[loramin]

Fuck off, no. Camps are intentionally undefined.

I know historically that has been the case, so as to not limit future rulings with past ones. But what Llandris said:

In the essence of transparency ... it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page.

suggested a possible change to that.

IF the staff is going to try to have the same rulings for camps, consistently, then making those rulings available to the 50+% of the server that doesn't read these forums seems like it would be helpful. Both for players (so that one player couldn't scare less knowledgeable players away from the basement by claiming it's a single camp) and for the staff (if a player could tell that other player "hey you have to share the basement, it says so on the wiki" that might reduce petitions).

So I just thought I'd ask; no need to get upset over a simple question. If it's a problem for the staff in any way I will happily refrain from adding rulings like this to the wiki.

[Samoht]

https://i.imgur.com/SPIKJ2R.png

Isn't a quote like this against forum policy without permission from the poster? Did I miss the spot where he gave permission?

[Pokesan]

Isn't a quote like this against forum policy without permission from the poster? Did I miss the spot where he gave permission?

um thats an img not a quote. even if this so called quote rule exists it doesnt apply & ur wrong

[skarlorn]

samoht not only wrong, but also a fun hater. Basically, the wurst.

[Tupakk]

And this kids is why the Be Nice rule should be applied.

10 pages of saltyness from CK.


Not to rub it in but we were right.

I hope this doesn't effect our friendship and hope to see you out on the plains of Norrath.

[Tupakk]

Isn't a quote like this against forum policy without permission from the poster? Did I miss the spot where he gave permission?

This is no different than name shaming. If there was a rule I've never heard about it in the four years I've been here.

[GinnasP99]

Basically, the wurst.

http://i.imgur.com/DFAfv46.jpg

[skarlorn]

thanks for the alley oop ginnas.

[Samoht]

Who brought the mustard?

[skarlorn]

crash king is bitter & has incorrect opinions (new), so we'll call him mustard greens

[Tupakk]

crash king is bitter & has incorrect opinions (new), so we'll call him mustard greens

Mustard tiger is a better nickname.

If you don't know the reference watch the video below.

https://youtu.be/ZGfUB58gaYw

[Triiz]

Poor OP.

Now everytime he goes to his "paradise" there's going to be four level 60 mages farming it for god knows what fuckin reason.

[Fettsack]

I am so glad you discussed this very, very important matter in such a depth and length. Otherwise I had nothing to read at the train while on my way to work!

[Swish]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

This is very well written and clear <3

[Lhancelot]

This is very well written and clear <3

stop trolling.

[Swish]

No troll there, the reply you gave though very much so...

[Rivera]

Should be considered one camp. There are a dozen other zones in the game around this level range. So dumb. Making this a thing will only cause more chaos in there over camps tbh.

[Tupakk]

Should be considered one camp. There are a dozen other zones in the game around this level range. So dumb. Making this a thing will only cause more chaos in there over camps tbh.

You are missing the point. Most groups hold down all four. The people that try to side in are mainly single or duo that can't handle it or don't want to wait.

Also if you got it on lock and someone asks for a room it's 3 goblins you lose out on in War and RR so be nice and let them take 3 mins on a 22 min timer they wil leave after a while cause of super boredom or exp shortage.

[skarlorn]

Still no response from OP after that textwall then being proven wrong?

It would at least be classy to apologize after flaming so many respected members of the community trying to help him understand the lay of the land.

[Sorn]

Would be better if staff could just be mindful of their grammar from now on.

[Tupakk]

Would be better if staff could just be mindful of their grammar from now on.

@Cylock BUUURRRRNNNNNN

[Tnair]

Would be better if staff could just be mindful of their grammar from now on.

Would be better if players on a free game run by volunteer staff could be more mindful of their questions, and also learn to share without rules-lawyering.

It must be frustrating to have ignorant high levels steal yer mobs, but no reason to take it out on the, again, volunteers running the game we enjoy for free. Not tryna bash you but rather protect our GMs from burnout =)

[Pokesan]

Would be better if players on a free game run by volunteer staff could be more mindful of their questions, and also learn to share without rules-lawyering.

It must be frustrating to have ignorant high levels steal yer mobs, but no reason to take it out on the, again, volunteers running the game we enjoy for free. Not tryna bash you but rather protect our GMs from burnout =)

volunteers can still have bad grammar my dude

[Rivera]

You are missing the point. Most groups hold down all four. The people that try to side in are mainly single or duo that can't handle it or don't want to wait.

Also if you got it on lock and someone asks for a room it's 3 goblins you lose out on in War and RR so be nice and let them take 3 mins on a 22 min timer they wil leave after a while cause of super boredom or exp shortage.

I don't think I missed a point at all...

People will come in, reading this, and expect the main group to give up a room, or the most valuable room Raiders. I know a lot of real fresh lowbies that go there to make some plat and the Raider room has a higher chance of dropping fine steel stuff, maybe ores and ears too. And 30-34's get the majority of their xp from raiders. (The groups are 24-34 95% of the time)

Should be one camp. Without a doubt. Making it multiple ones is dumb.

[Legidias]

Its called sharing. It was 100% designed into different camps given that all the goblins are segmented into different level ranges in their rooms.

Same shit happens for a lot of dungeons with several value camps near each other. Each one is broken up when more than one group wants stuff.

It makes 0 sense for this one random zone which has good xp and loot (for the levels) on all the camps to have a completely different rule set than any other camp in game.

[timeflux]

100% no one cares. Be more creative? Level elsewhere.

[shuklak]

If y'all don't behave they're just gonna shut the whole zone down.

[Lhancelot]

If y'all don't behave they're just gonna shut the whole zone down.

This could be the start of something bigger guys... Instead of shutting down HHK, the GMs beleagured by petitions over HHK goblins may approach Rogean and recommend the unheard of solution - CREATE AN INSTANCE FOR HHK!!!

This one instance could be the flash point for all of p99 gaining instances, and thus turning into a more classic version of modern EQ.

That's just the start though... After this monumental change goes into effect, beastlords are introduced as a new playing class, gnomes can be SKs AND pallies, halflings can be pallies and rangers.

The last monumental p99 change will be the last patch (no not the melee chardok buff patch nerds,) that being the news that Rogean has had a change of heart and allowed the p99 devs to add SHADOWS OF LUCLIN TO p99!!!!!!!!!!

This HHK thing is bigger than just the goblins, people. It's a movement.

[maskedmelonpai]

what particular brand of retardation make people favor rationing via queues, while taking lotta offense to equitable distribution? just because you got lotta free time to waste staring at a wall and don't mind doing it, don't mean most other people don't have that time and don't wanna do that and most importantly shouldn't half to.

lines only favor those without lotta free time and nothing else to spend it on. refusing to share with people only benefits neckbeards who liek to pretend they aren't neckbeards because they are unsuccessful.

#endneckbearding
#shareagobbo
#casualsdontsockgoblins
#bankunarkandveliousgearinclassiczones

[Pokesan]

what particular brand of retardation make people favor rationing via queues, while taking lotta offense to equitable distribution? just because you got lotta free time to waste staring at a wall and don't mind doing it, don't mean most other people don't have that time and don't wanna do that and most importantly shouldn't half to.

lines only favor those without lotta free time and nothing else to spend it on. refusing to share with people only benefits neckbeards who liek to pretend they aren't neckbeards because they are unsuccessful.

#endneckbearding
#shareagobbo
#casualsdontsockgoblins
#bankunarkandveliousgearinclassiczones

no

[maskedmelonpai]

no

please? :c

[kotton05]

Stop making so much sense melon

[loramin]

#bankunarkandveliousgearinclassiczones

I was with you right up until this part ...

[Lhancelot]

#shareagobbo
#casualsdontsockgoblins


These are my favorites. :D

[Rivera]

Its called sharing. It was 100% designed into different camps given that all the goblins are segmented into different level ranges in their rooms.

Same shit happens for a lot of dungeons with several value camps near each other. Each one is broken up when more than one group wants stuff.

It makes 0 sense for this one random zone which has good xp and loot (for the levels) on all the camps to have a completely different rule set than any other camp in game. There are 18 goblins that spawn in HHK basement.

In Unrest, MR is 19 not including anything past Brewer room OR the spawn on the stairs. And the main part of MR is NEVER and I mean NEVER segmented into multiple camps.

Staying in Unrest, FP is 18 spawns not including the Bar Room or Hand Rooms. Main part of FP is not segmented into multiple camps like you imply with your "have a completely different rule set".

There are just far fewer mobs of that type in that zone than any other type of similar level range. Not being able to grasp this simple concept means you're actually retarded.

what particular brand of retardation make people favor rationing via queues, while taking lotta offense to equitable distribution? just because you got lotta free time to waste staring at a wall and don't mind doing it, don't mean most other people don't have that time and don't wanna do that and most importantly shouldn't half to.

lines only favor those without lotta free time and nothing else to spend it on. refusing to share with people only benefits neckbeards who liek to pretend they aren't neckbeards because they are unsuccessful.

#endneckbearding
#shareagobbo
#casualsdontsockgoblins
#bankunarkandveliousgearinclassiczones There doesn't have to be lines because there are multiple zones for every level range. Which is what people can't seem to grasp in this thread.

Holy fuck, if you don't want to wait in a line for a camp, there are PLENTY other options to choose from.

[Rivera]

Double Post

[Salaryman]

stop killimg goblins and go outside