Monks and Rogues - wanted or not?

[Lhancelot]

Just curious if there is a desire for monks/rogues in top tier raid guilds nowadays?

[Lhancelot]

Why are you doing this

I am asking because I am curious if there is a need for these two classes, or if they are an overabundance.

[Jimjam]

Slightly off topic, but couldn't find a 40+ rogue for CE this morning in Seb.

[Nycon43]

Seem to be alot more monks around then rogues.

[Twochain]

Well.. of course lol.

It would be much easier to get into a top guild as a decently geared rogue. Just don't be afk during engages and don't be a dick head and you're pretty much on the fast track to full member. There is no such thing as too many clerics or too many rogues during raids imo.

It's much harder to make full member as a monk. Having enough competent monks during pulls is crucial to success. However monk DPS is not. So you have to quickly learn what to do and how to do it.

[Skew]

CE in Seb is terrible exp and loot for effort required thats why.
Monks i hear are quite decent in EQ but they could use a boost to be completely viable raiders so i think triple attack is coming to help. Id still take a well played ranger over a monk though for most situations.

[Lhancelot]

It would be much easier to get into a top guild as a decently geared rogue.

Are you meaning resist gears, or just overall?

[Skew]

Are you meaning resist gears, or just overall?

I think he means by virtue of it being v hard to suck as a rogue on a raid unless you dont know what evade is or enjoy ploughing enrage. Theres a reason my first and main eq toon is a rogue. I look less bad. Youll also be top DPS unless youre using a rusty spoon.

[Lhancelot]

I think he means by virtue of it being v hard to suck as a rogue on a raid unless you dont know what evade is or enjoy ploughing enrage. Theres a reason my first and main eq toon is a rogue. I look less bad. Youll also be top DPS unless youre using a rusty spoon.

I see, that actually makes sense too. Way less responsibility and the gameplay of rogue is 100% most simplest of all classes. Cool, laid back class but very simple.

[Jimjam]

Completely agree on CE, but at least it has a LDONesque dungeon crawl feel to it.

If you are looking at raiding, something to consider is precision warriors are not terribad dps, and has innately higher magic resist than other classes. I understand if you don't want to do war as perhaps you don't want to be pressured into gearing to be tank capable.

[Detoxx]

Velious is all about Warriors Clerics and Rogues! Every time Aftermath is raiding those are the 3 classes I check for my guild and any competition. Monks are important but not in the aspect of Monks back in classic but as in monks from P99.

It's a whole different animal!

[Canelek]

It's not hard to play a rogue well, but a lazy rogue is pretty easy to point out. Know your tanks!

[Rygar]

Why are you doing this

I thought this exactly and face palmed.

[shuklak]

It's not hard to play a rogue well, but a lazy rogue is pretty easy to point out. Know your tanks!
What does an active rogue do that a lazy rogue doesn't? And what kind of difference is it making?

[username17]

Evading has been muscle memory at this point so I can do it without paying much attention. Wearing the proper resist gear is also something even a lazy rogue could manage.
A non-lazy rogue would look out for things like the mob being pushed the wrong way and moving to adjust. Stopping attack if the mob gets flipped in enrage so as to not eat the enrage. Perhaps having a soulfire handy to save someone if things start to turn bad. Clicky potions to lessen the burden on healers.
Those are just some simple things I can think of. But I haven't raided full time since early Kunark.

[Kodim]

A good rogue groups with a cleric/druid/shaman for aoe heals. A lazy rogue stands in the cleric corner asking for a heal.

[Pokesan]

don't make a rogue unless you're going guildless or gonna join a sleepers farming guild. all other gear upgrades are very very pointless.

[Raavak]

Bad rogues are ones that are AFK during the engage, or don't turn off attack if the mob flips especially during enrage. Bad rogues aren't helping with CR's, or scouting when needed.

Basically bad rogues show up to collect DKP and lewt.

[Swish]

Bad rogues are ones that are AFK during the engage, or don't turn off attack if the mob flips especially during enrage. Bad rogues aren't helping with CR's, or scouting when needed.

Basically bad rogues show up to collect DKP and lewt.

I fondly remember a rogue on a Hate raid who didn't get grouped, pressed hide and thought he'd be good to afk for over an hour as we cleared the entrance. DKP per hour was added by the bot regardless of participation obviously so what could go wrong? :o

Most of us had see invis one way or another and yeah, that was addressed. Persistent afkers (actually just lazy/leeching, not family/kids related) on raids are the worst.

[Swish]

What does an active rogue do that a lazy rogue doesn't? And what kind of difference is it making?

Pulls with a bow.

While leveling I often pulled when the KC monks are burnt out, lazy or for some other reason. Obviously this isn't the best min/max situation with the rogue pulling but you can at least pull mobs out of the moat at a long distance where a monk can't.

[Evia]

Pulls with a bow.

While leveling I often pulled when the KC monks are burnt out, lazy or for some other reason. Obviously this isn't the best min/max situation with the rogue pulling but you can at least pull mobs out of the moat at a long distance where a monk can't.



This is the one thing I hate doing on my rogue...haha. admitted guilty! I'll do anything else for you though! :)

[Lhancelot]

So the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is one who can manage the push and not eat enrages... #HowDidIPlayThisSh!tForSoLong

I will concede that EQ seems to attract worse players than any other MMO I have ever played...

Players are restricted by the contraints of the game, granted rogues are simple to play but that's not the players fault.

I don't think this game attracts any worse players than any other game tbh. All games have "bads" if that's what you want to call them.

[username17]

So the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is one who can manage the push and not eat enrages... #HowDidIPlayThisSh!tForSoLong

I will concede that EQ seems to attract worse players than any other MMO I have ever played...

I never said good. I said non-lazy. Or in another word non-bad. I never qualified what good was.

[Sonark]

Give the tank about ten seconds to get agro, turn on auto attack and hit backstab on cooldown. Maybe throw an evade in if you feel saucy. Am I missing something here?

It really blows my mind how complicated people try to make this game sound. There is nothing special about classic EQ that a well trained Chimpanzee could not master. I guess you need to hit Inner Flame alsoYeah but you lose a lot of exp when you die, doe.

[Swish]

Can't beat classicly bad pathing for causing trains and deaths on a given XP session, great thing about a rogue is either hitting hide if not on an aggro list or at least being at the back of the hate list and being able to get out of there <3

[azeth]

good rogues wear good resist gear and get FULL buffed EVERY time

[Detoxx]

Give the tank about ten seconds to get agro, turn on auto attack and hit backstab on cooldown. Maybe throw an evade in if you feel saucy. Am I missing something here?

It really blows my mind how complicated people try to make this game sound. There is nothing special about classic EQ that a well trained Chimpanzee could not master. I guess you need to hit Inner Flame also

Evade on cool down everytime is what you're missing, good sir.

[Dezik]

I have a 55 iksar epic monk and 56 epic rogue. I have been itching to return to p99 on one but can’t decide. The monk seems more powerful solo certainly, but the rogue seems more chill and more desired in raids. I also have some moderate gear such as fungi and FBSS. Anyone have any recommendation?

[Jimjam]

Pulls with a bow.

While leveling I often pulled when the KC monks are burnt out, lazy or for some other reason. Obviously this isn't the best min/max situation with the rogue pulling but you can at least pull mobs out of the moat at a long distance where a monk can't.

I was pulling and tanking KC basement on my ranger. The other group members were a couple of rogues, a cleric and an enchanter. There may have been a mage too.

I realised I had to take about 10 mins to afk and let the group know. I suggested one rogue take over pulls as we had good cc (and the area was already broken up anyway). The other rogue could tank (rogues have better defence than rangers and similar armor types).

Of course I got back and the rogues had just sat there for 10 minutes doing and saying nothing, the entire basement had respawned.

In fairness, I'm sure there was a good reason besides laziness, though.

[NachtMystium]

I was pulling and tanking KC basement on my ranger. The other group members were a couple of rogues, a cleric and an enchanter. There may have been a mage too.

I realised I had to take about 10 mins to afk and let the group know. I suggested one rogue take over pulls as we had good cc (and the area was already broken up anyway). The other rogue could tank (rogues have better defence than rangers and similar armor types).

Of course I got back and the rogues had just sat there for 10 minutes doing and saying nothing, the entire basement had respawned.

In fairness, I'm sure there was a good reason besides laziness, though.

I would've /disbanded, fuck that dumb shit

[fastboy21]

On any classic eq raid there are about 4 to 8 people actually playing in a critically important task...the rest of you are just zombie dps who show up with a pulse and know how to hit auto attack and/or other very simple directions.

Monks frequently find themselves in the 4-8 I described above. Rogues, hardly ever.

[Rivera]

Haven't read through the thread so many people probably have already said this but;

Nothing is needed on blue anymore.

Monks are not needed or wanted in the raid scene anymore. Period. Most monks that are already there SHOULD be Rogue because all they do and know how to do is DPS.

Rogues are always wanted high end. But the class sucks up until that point, imo.

[dbouya]

It would be interesting if p99 decided to shake up the spawn points and pathing routes of mobs in zones like tov/vp in order to bring back the mystery. In 1999-2001 monks had to do a lot of exploratory feigning to figure this stuff out. Not classic, so it won't happen. Would be neat though.

[Evia]

Haven't read through the thread so many people probably have already said this but;

Nothing is needed on blue anymore.

Monks are not needed or wanted in the raid scene anymore. Period. Most monks that are already there SHOULD be Rogue because all they do and know how to do is DPS.

Rogues are always wanted high end. But the class sucks up until that point, imo.

Its been the opposite for me. I LOVED leveling my rogue 1-59. Once I got 55+ I figured raiding and stuff was going to be super fun and easy to get into as a rogue!

Well, it's not near as appealing as I imagined for 59 levels. Yeah, people seem to want me and I've app'd and trialed with numerous guilds throughout the years, but I haven't found a group/guild of people I really click with. One that makes me want to put up with all the crazy poopsocking and lawyer questing. In theory it'd be fun though...Still looking I guess! :D