Holgresh Elder Beads

[Rivera]

So Elder Beads have been auctioned lately at 170+k.

I have 6 beads total, farmed them not bought, and this is just baffling to me. I tried selling one of my pairs for 150k for like a month and a half. Why the sudden jump in price? I can't even sell it at 150 much less 170.

WHAT IS GOING ON :confused:

[Papa]

*fat*cats*

[maskedmelonpai]

they not selling at that. they advertising at that because that what they owners want.

[burkemi5]

I imagine the price of these would have declined since the monk sneak pull nerf.

[Freakish]

WTT Beads for 2 manastones, get it now before bead prices go up!

[Dquin05]

Most likely it's 1 or 2 people making multiple accounts trying to push the price up . I put my beads for 160k and didn't even get 1 pm which was expected .

[Pokesan]

I have 6 beads total

lol

[Valakut]

i got gkicked from bda and farmed elder beads until the nerf then rejoined. what do i win?

[Triiz]

Are you the guy that's been spamming EC ooc? Where the fuck are the screenshots?

Rated 1 star, wouldn't read again unless screenshots were delivered.

[Canelek]

Do they graduate in size?

[eudaimonia_etc]

Beads (and any item) aren't worth what people say they are, they are worth what they sell for. Also, I am of the strong belief that folks who post "X items will be worth / is worth X" generally are sharing their opinion for their own benefit, not because it's "objective fact". As there's no record of the prices at which items are sold (except the database of trades kept by the gods of this server), it's hard to establish what the objective current market price is.

TLDR: /ignore

[Lhancelot]

I am of the strong belief that folks who post "X items will be worth / is worth X" generally are sharing their opinion for their own benefit.

Holgresh Beads are worth 25k and no more.

[maskedmelon]

Do they graduate in size?

relevant.

[Lhancelot]

relevant.

I missed this avatar, MM. Think it better tbh.

[maskedmelon]

I missed this avatar, MM. Think it better tbh.

thank you ^^ i do too by quite a lot actually. the other one is just a fun way of poking fun at myself.

[schnickusaurus]

The biggest problem you got, is that people know. New server might have beads at 85-120k until removal. It would mean you will never see beads below 150k ever again on this server:p just a theory. I would put more plat on that people soon actually will want to buy at 175k, not just sell :p

[Lhancelot]

thank you ^^ i do too by quite a lot actually. the other one is just a fun way of poking fun at myself.

If you could see the eyes I am sure they are smoldering with evilness. :p

[skarlorn]

I destroyed my Holgresh Elder Beads for fun.

[Lhancelot]

I destroyed my Holgresh Elder Beads for fun.

I thought of this regarding CoS, if we just destroyed 25,000 Circlet of Shadow, perhaps they would actually end up worth quite a bit of plats.

We should set up a pixel incineration loc, where people drop off rare or no-longer dropped items and systematically destroy them.

Once there's only 1-5 left of these items on the server, their worth would inflate to ceilings never thought possible.

[Peacocky]

https://i.imgur.com/2NDUaZu.png

[Lhancelot]

https://i.imgur.com/2NDUaZu.png

lol that's one fat cat. :D

[Peacocky]

:D

https://i.imgur.com/FJ1IIn5.gif

[Rivera]

lol :cool:

[Ravager]

If you have a problem with what people are asking, just set your own price. I'm willing to bet if you bumped a thread in EC Tunnel for a week that said "WTB Holgresh Elder Beads 125k" you'd probably find a couple people willing to sell. Could probably find them for 110 or 100 even if you bumped for a few months and ignored Schnick trolling your threads.

[Matalus]

I thought of this regarding CoS, if we just destroyed 25,000 Circlet of Shadow, perhaps they would actually end up worth quite a bit of plats.

We should set up a pixel incineration loc, where people drop off rare or no-longer dropped items and systematically destroy them.

Once there's only 1-5 left of these items on the server, their worth would inflate to ceilings never thought possible.

I'll destroy my RoA if you destroy yours first....I promise

[Cecily]

Keep complaining and I'll raise the price to 250k.

[Brocode]

marketing 101 inflate the price, sell for the true price adding a little more = profit.


example: Market Price 150k, advertise 170k, sells for 152k.

[Lhancelot]

marketing 101 inflate the price, sell for the true price adding a little more = profit.


example: Market Price 150k, advertise 170k, sells for 152k.

That's just it. Thing is everyone undercuts your price you post an item at, very rarely is someone buying your item for the amount you ask unless it's cheaply priced or they are in a hurry to buy and leave EC, OR they simply don't know the worth and don't care enough to find out.

Most traders/sellers know this, so they mark items up. The added benefit to marking items up is the auction trackers keep track of the items openly priced, so this will give it added "value."

There are so many variables as to why a person prices an item the way they do, it's not worth getting ruffled over.

Some people price things retardedly high because they don't know any better. Some people price things high because they want maximum profit. Some people price things high because they really don't want to sell the item but will if offered more than what the item is "worth."

The reasons go on and on, which is why I might scoff at a high price and even chuckle at it too, but that's the extent of my concern when seeing items priced high.

People that anger over auction prices, I have a question for you. When you want an item, and see it being auctioned for half the worth, do you make sure to tell the seller it's actually worth double what they asking? That's the "fair" thing to do right? I mean, you would never rip someone off, buying an item for half of what it's worth even though that's what they asking, right?

Nah you don't. You buy it for cheap, because it saves you plats. IMO This is no different than selling an item for double what it's market value is worth then. Chances are it won't sell if a seller is asking double what the item is usually worth, but if it does sell, honestly who cares? That's the business between the buyer and the seller.

[Rygar]

Beads are so dumb, one of the most over-powered items in the game along with Fungi tunic. It makes monk pulling totally trivial. Able to agro stuff that is out of line of sight is so not classic.

I've face pulled HoT before and died a bunch but it was super fun, I began to learn how to use certain angles and when to flop, etc. Problem was the raiders were used to faster pulls since you can agro stuff with eye and just bring it all back to camp super fast.

Beads are preventing people from a true classic experience. I wish to hell they would make Eye of Zomm a non-agro spell, strictly used for scouting.

[Sillyturtle]

You are referencing the single zone in the game where Elder Beads are useful, and honestly they are less useful now due to how finicky FD is (IE it takes a team to pull HoT quickly). To compare Elder Beads and a fungi in terms of power is nonsense also, I would take a fungi over Elder Beads 100 out of 100 times

Then it seems to me that the issue is that Beads are still valued higher than Fungi when Fungi, in both your opinion and mine is vastly more powerful. The reason for this would appear to be public belief.

[Freakish]

I'm able to carry both a fungi and beads bbecause I am very powerful.

[indiscriminate_hater]

ITT: filthy casuals who are mad because they can't afford a god item

[Whirled]

Can a lower lvl than the caster still kill the eye type spells for XP?
http://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_Tallon
http://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_Zomm

[Triiz]

Then it seems to me that the issue is that Beads are still valued higher than Fungi when Fungi, in both your opinion and mine is vastly more powerful. The reason for this would appear to be public belief.

I definitely think beads are over priced, but fungi's were farmed to death for what 6+ years? and still being farmed to death now, and beads were available for a limited time.

If I had a monk I think I'd rather have Bio Orb and a bag of Stalking Probes instead of Elder Beads, but I don't have a monk so maybe it's not as good of a combo as I imagine.

In general, nerfed shit will always go up. Look at Ornate Velium Pendant, I have one and it's just not very useful. +100 faction isn't much at all, but they are still 15k and recently people have been trying to raise it to 20k. I don't know why I even keep mine, it has never helped me to complete a quest or use a vendor I wouldn't have been able to do without it. I think it bumped me to Dubious and let me roam around part of Kael on a toon that had never killed any giants, but that's all I can think of.

[Rivera]

i really caused a fuss with this thread all over the place.

i am actively selling holgresh beads and havent been able to sell one at 150k. i was seeing multiples for higher than that so i was just bringing attention to it. no biggie.

[Rygar]

You are referencing the single zone in the game where Elder Beads are useful, and honestly they are less useful now due to how finicky FD is (IE it takes a team to pull HoT quickly). To compare Elder Beads and a fungi in terms of power is nonsense also, I would take a fungi over Elder Beads 100 out of 100 times

You still can pull a pocket of mobs to your location in perfect safety, and have a team member tag stragglers. Still trivializes the pulling. Same with bio orb, trivializes splitting. Face pulling used to be dangerous, splitting takes learning with the new system.

And I've seen monks using eye everywhere to pull, not just HoT. It's just sad really that pulling is left up to a few trinkets that make it super easy.

EQ wasn't meant to be that way, supposed to learn from your mistakes and master your class abilities through trial and error and guidance from other members.

Obviously we have to live with what transpired during classic, but its painfully obvious that beads were nerfed so it didn't become a widespread problem. It's a legacy item that in my opinion is ruining the server of a more classic experience.

[Lhancelot]

EQ wasn't meant to be that way, supposed to learn from your mistakes and master your class abilities through trial and error and guidance from other members.


I agree with this wholeheartedly, but thing is not everyone agrees with how EQ was meant to be played. This is purely an opinion.

Using this logic, one would surmise you also do not like any clickies that grant unfair advantages in groups/raids like clicky complete heal items, clicky DA items, clicky slow items, etc., etc.

Where does it end?

Honestly I'd be perfectly fine if items could not be recharged and abused to render content easy to conquer just as I would be fine with a nerf to some items that do the same, which is render content easy... But many would not be fine with such a change.

[Triiz]

Honestly I'd be perfectly fine if items could not be recharged and abused to render content easy to conquer just as I would be fine with a nerf to some items that do the same, which is render content easy... But many would not be fine with such a change.

If just recharging was nerfed, it would have little to no impact on how raiding is currently done. Some of the most used clickies in the game aren't even usually recharged.

DA Idol - Can't be recharged
Soulfire - Can't be recharged
Reaper - Way more expensive to recharge than to buy a new one and they are easy to find in EC.
Midnight Mallet - Almost always cheaper to quest a new one than to recharge. There is always 20+ corpses of the same Halfling at the troll vendor in middle of swamp, I assume that's a raid guild mule. Supply is unlimited so you could corpse hundreds of them if you wanted.

[Lhancelot]

If just recharging was nerfed, it would have little to no impact on how raiding is currently done. Some of the most used clickies in the game aren't even usually recharged.

DA Idol - Can't be recharged
Soulfire - Can't be recharged
Reaper - Way more expensive to recharge than to buy a new one and they are easy to find in EC.
Midnight Mallet - Almost always cheaper to quest a new one than to recharge. There is always 20+ corpses of the same Halfling at the troll vendor in middle of swamp, I assume that's a raid guild mule. Supply is unlimited so you could corpse hundreds of them if you wanted.

That's true but you get my point. I also added if items were simply nerfed, as well.

I think this is a situation where you simply can't please everyone and so those of us that don't like how some items are used just have to accept it and move on. :p

[Skew]

Im looking for a 2nd pair im paying 125k , same as the last. PST.

[Rygar]

The issue is always a slippery slope argument, you can't erase knowledge from people's minds. However there were some tricks from back in the day that weren't widespread knowledge (my stance on Midnight Mallets, Reapers, Soulfires, and other clicky agro control items have been pretty well documented).

P99 is a nice throwback to the harder days where you needed to pay attention and listen to raid instruction. Now you can dump a mallet, prayers, or bladestopper and watch netflix.

They nerfed Ivandyr's Hoops because they made insta zapping down some dragons too easy. Why isn't anyone still crying about that?! Oh... right... because that was sooo dumb and not how this shit was meant to be. Given enough time, everyone would have hoops and could insta kill or significantly damage a velious raid mob (imagine draining even the last 20-30% or more of a mob instantly, preventing gating / enrage, etc.). Follow up with a quick vendor trip to Sally McMuffins who knows how to somehow re-instill the magical charges on your mystical earring for a few plats so you are ready to spam click during the next twitter alert.

Anyone remember their classic experience being like that? Sometimes you nerf classic for a reason, sometimes you don't.

Conclusion: Screw Beads. Screw Mallets. Screw Recharging. Screw Easy Mode EQ. Embrace a slightly more challenging Norrath.

[dafier]

Lots of 'screw' in your conclusion.

#approvescrew

[Maner]

The issue is always a slippery slope argument, you can't erase knowledge from people's minds. However there were some tricks from back in the day that weren't widespread knowledge (my stance on Midnight Mallets, Reapers, Soulfires, and other clicky agro control items have been pretty well documented).

P99 is a nice throwback to the harder days where you needed to pay attention and listen to raid instruction. Now you can dump a mallet, prayers, or bladestopper and watch netflix.

They nerfed Ivandyr's Hoops because they made insta zapping down some dragons too easy. Why isn't anyone still crying about that?! Oh... right... because that was sooo dumb and not how this shit was meant to be. Given enough time, everyone would have hoops and could insta kill or significantly damage a velious raid mob (imagine draining even the last 20-30% or more of a mob instantly, preventing gating / enrage, etc.). Follow up with a quick vendor trip to Sally McMuffins who knows how to somehow re-instill the magical charges on your mystical earring for a few plats so you are ready to spam click during the next twitter alert.

Anyone remember their classic experience being like that? Sometimes you nerf classic for a reason, sometimes you don't.

Conclusion: Screw Beads. Screw Mallets. Screw Recharging. Screw Easy Mode EQ. Embrace a slightly more challenging Norrath.

How many times have you tried getting a lifetap to land on a velious dragon?

[Fasttimes]

How many times have you tried getting a lifetap to land on a velious dragon?

Works on sontalak

[Maliant]

I imagine the price of these would have declined since the monk sneak pull nerf.

Why would you think that? Since sneak nerf beads are so much more necessary on a monk, pull with eye and FD and pull out to avoid ever having aggro.

[skarlorn]

mallets have made tanking kind of shitty it's true

[schnickusaurus]

'Quote: Triiz:

In general, nerfed shit will always go up. Look at Ornate Velium Pendant, I have one and it's just not very useful. +100 faction isn't much at all, but they are still 15k and recently people have been trying to raise it to 20k. I don't know why I even keep mine, it has never helped me to complete a quest or use a vendor I wouldn't have been able to do without it. I think it bumped me to Dubious and let me roam around part of Kael on a toon that had never killed any giants, but that's all I can think of.'



I have 8 of them OVPs still cuz price headed to 50k each
OVP takes all your alts through Sirens as long as you dont kill anything in there
Did i mention ToV, DN, Western Wastes are end station on p1999? :)
OVP helps all threaten conning chars finish quests and sell/bank in towns. Example: i can do warrior epic on Ogre alt in freeport very smoothly. I can bank and sell there with him too :) helped me loads through all warrior epic questing and leveling .
Generally it can help finish quests if you miss that extra little bit faction
Wizard epic has great use of OVP as well ive heard due to faction effect. Dont know details though

[schnickusaurus]

IF they rewamp sirens to green cons. OVP stays 15k but then Wavecrasher rallies to 150-250k . I keep one WC as hedge. If no rewamp WC plummets to 25-30k over time but i get 50k per OVP covering the WC value loss more than enough

Free advise no need for donat

[Swish]

The hell is wrong with you

[Rygar]

How many times have you tried getting a lifetap to land on a velious dragon?

This was all before my time, but was my understanding lifetaps were nerfed as a result of ivandyr's hoops exploits? I do not play any lifetap class, so am just recalling some forum knowledge here, I welcome any correction.

[Peacocky]

https://i.imgur.com/xdgvuee.jpg

[Mead]

don't know why I'm surprised this thread made it past first page

[Triiz]

I have 8 of them OVPs still cuz price headed to 50k each
OVP takes all your alts through Sirens as long as you dont kill anything in there
Did i mention ToV, DN, Western Wastes are end station on p1999? :)
OVP helps all threaten conning chars finish quests and sell/bank in towns. Example: i can do warrior epic on Ogre alt in freeport very smoothly. I can bank and sell there with him too :) helped me loads through all warrior epic questing and leveling .
Generally it can help finish quests if you miss that extra little bit faction
Wizard epic has great use of OVP as well ive heard due to faction effect. Dont know details though

Yeah I forgot to mention SG. It's still only useful for that for a few classes. Bard/Necro/Cleric/Paladin/Enchanter/Druid/Wizard can get through SG without it and probably more classes like War/Monk/SK could get through too. Not to mention any class can get Succord, it's not like it's the only way to get through.

It only bumps you from Threatening to Dubious if you are right on the edge of the faction. I have a toon that started out threatening with WFP guards, and it doesn't bump him to Dubious. Same toon started out threatening with Skyshrine/COV, and it didn't bump him to Dubious even after killing a few giants. The Threatening range is ~350 points, and Pendant is only +100.

I'm not surprised you are giving it a hard sell, but I stand by that it's just not that useful. I never see them cause they probably just rot, but people could get a nerfed Pendant if they were only using it for 1 quest.