Fungi tunic

[Shaken]

Offering manastone + 40k

[jimthayner]

I think fungi is Kunark.

[goodle]

Lol that manastone aint gonna be worth squat pretty soon, pawn em off while ya can, same goes for the Rubicite BP.

[toxiqwurm]

It is, and the first fungi expect it to be more then his offer - itll have too much "new" on it

[jimthayner]

All the Kunark gear is going to be too overpriced to buy it before May.

[Daldolma]

Lol that manastone aint gonna be worth squat pretty soon, pawn em off while ya can, same goes for the Rubicite BP.

ITT: people that never played EverQuest.

[Kassel]

Lol that manastone aint gonna be worth squat pretty soon, pawn em off while ya can, same goes for the Rubicite BP.

Your a fool if you think this, Manastones price has doubled since they annouced the release of Kunark.

[Thetan]

Your a fool if you think this, Manastones price has doubled since they annouced the release of Kunark.

You may not know this, but Manastone was nerfed to not work in any Kunark+ zones.

[Rhodes]

You may not know this, but Manastone was nerfed to not work in any Kunark+ zones.

Here's how it works. Quad -> portal to old world -> manastone up -> gate back to quad spot -> ??? -> profit.

[JayDee]

You may not know this, but Manastone was nerfed to not work in any Kunark+ zones.

You may not know this, but just like on live, Manastone will skyrocket in price over time until it is inconceivably unaffordable.

New Wizards (esp) and Druids will cry accordingly.

[guineapig]

Here's how it works. Quad -> portal to old world -> manastone up -> gate back to quad spot -> ??? -> profit.

This is awesome if you are a druid with Chloro, but as a wizard you are left with a full mana pool and near death. Falling damage might even kill you. ;)

[Rhodes]

This is awesome if you are a druid with Chloro, but as a wizard you are left with a full mana pool and near death. Falling damage might even kill you. ;)


True, but that's what friends are for. And if no one is on, you can port to WC and run to tunnel for a heal. It's going to be much quicker than medding either way. And something tells me that a lot of quaders with manastones also live with "girlfriends" who play a healing class and don't talk much :p And if all else fails, honestly bind wound is more than enough. If you're good at quadding, you only need enough health so that your movement isn't slowed.

[guineapig]

Actually, let's do the math:

Manastone:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 60
2: Increase Mana by 20

Gate:
70 mana to cast

Gate to specific location:
150 mana to cast


70 + 150 = 220 mana to gate and port back to Kunark
220 / 20 = 11 uses of manastone which equals a net loss of 660 hitpoints.
If you are a wizard at level 50 with self buffs this is at least half your hitpoints (unless you have the very best raid gear in the game). And that's just to be able to port.

So with the rest of your hitpoints you might gain 200 mana which you would have meditated back in the time it took you to zone twice. And you still have the low hitpoint issue to deal with.

[JayDee]

This is awesome if you are a druid with Chloro, but as a wizard you are left with a full mana pool and near death. Falling damage might even kill you. ;)

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3719

[JayDee]

It's called free mana at no cost, barring the seconds to apply said buff

[guineapig]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3719

This gets released a few months before Velious. By that time you will most likely be level 60 and quading for fun/plat.

Using manastone while exp soloing in Kunark zones ends up being less efficient than meditating.
Later on with more expansions, once you are level 60, have way more hitpoints, your epic and possibly items to help you regen hitpoints it becomes more useful. But when Kunark launches it would be a bad idea for wizards to use this for anything other than selling ports. For selling ports however this is the best item in the game.

(EDIT: sorry to derail)

[Rhodes]

And honestly, I'd personally rather just take the time to med it out so I can watch whatever movie it is I'm watching while grinding.

[JayDee]

This gets released a few months before Velious. By that time you will most likely be level 60 and quading for fun/plat.

Using manastone while exp soloing in Kunark zones ends up being less efficient than meditating.


(EDIT: sorry to derail)

Think of a wizard with a nearly endless mana pool with tanks that can actually hold aggro (which rly only an sk can do effectively now).

It's devilishly OP my friend

[guineapig]

Think of a wizard with a nearly endless mana pool with tanks that can actually hold aggro (which rly only an sk can do effectively now).

It's devilishly OP my friend

Explain to me how this leads a wizard to have an endless manapool? I fail to see the correlation, especially after I did the math.
Are you referring to raids? Because that leaves you with 2 situations, naggy and vox. Neither of which require too much effort to kill even before Kunark.

Also, Paladins can also hold their own. Paladin can 100% guranatee agro is kept via blind/root. Shadowknight agro can be outdone simply by getting above them on the hate list. With a paladin you need to be above them on the hate list AND in the closest player in melee range.

[JayDee]

And as a response to your ninja edit, yes it may be for the sole purpose of grinding plat/camping items if the wizard is already 60.

I.e. it pays for itself

[guineapig]

And as a response to your ninja edit, yes it may be for the sole purpose of grinding plat/camping items if the wizard is already 60.

I.e. it pays for itself


I totally agree with you here.

[JayDee]

But hey, I'll side with your argument if you can find me a manastone for under 70k.

Doing myself a disservice

[murgle]

You know, you're inflating the price of fungis the more you talk about it. If you recall, Fungi tunics were not that rare until a patch that came outlater in kunark reducing their drop rate. In addition, fungi tunics will most likely be on "lockdown" and they'll be farmed out the ass.

I would imagine that logical economics suggests, the more that are in circulation, the less the price.

[JayDee]

You know, you're inflating the price of fungis the more you talk about it. If you recall, Fungi tunics were not that rare until a patch that came outlater in kunark reducing their drop rate. In addition, fungi tunics will most likely be on "lockdown" and they'll be farmed out the ass.

I would imagine that logical economics suggests, the more that are in circulation, the less the price.

Yes the tunic was pretty common and the staff was the uncommon/rare iirc

[Krimsin]

I would imagine that logical economics suggests, the more that are in circulation, the less the price.

There's your problem, Fungi's don't circulate, they get handed down ;)

[john_savage1982]

True, but that's what friends are for. And if no one is on, you can port to WC and run to tunnel for a heal. It's going to be much quicker than medding either way. And something tells me that a lot of quaders with manastones also live with "girlfriends" who play a healing class and don't talk much :p And if all else fails, honestly bind wound is more than enough. If you're good at quadding, you only need enough health so that your movement isn't slowed.

Wizard/Druid: Have "girlfriend" (cleric with cheal) cook dinner AFK at druid/wizard ring. Quad in Kunark until oom, port to ring, manastone, cheal, manastone, cheal. Gate back to Kunark. Rinse. Repeat. Win.

Make sure you have a "girlfriend" who happens to play a cleric and likes to AFK a lot (a lot of the server seems to have these)

[murgle]

There's your problem, Fungi's don't circulate, they get handed down ;)

I would imagine that at some point the demand for these from high-end players will reduce from trak BP's. Some of the melee BP's have heal on them (invigorate?) if i remember correctly (though at a 30sec cast time, i believe; therefore, i'm not sure of the efficiency).

Additionally, most of Fungi tunics value is based off hype and speculation. I mean, really, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay. If the first one goes on sale at 100k but no one will pay more than 20k... I mean, as a buyer, it's your market. The power is yours to control the price before it gets ridiculous.

[Earthguard]

Lol that manastone aint gonna be worth squat pretty soon, pawn em off while ya can, same goes for the Rubicite BP.

says people that don't have manastones.

[Krimsin]

I would imagine that at some point the demand for these from high-end players will reduce from trak BP's. Some of the melee BP's have heal on them (invigorate?) if i remember correctly (though at a 30sec cast time, i believe; therefore, i'm not sure of the efficiency).

Additionally, most of Fungi tunics value is based off hype and speculation. I mean, really, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay. If the first one goes on sale at 100k but no one will pay more than 20k... I mean, as a buyer, it's your market. The power is yours to control the price before it gets ridiculous.

What I'm saying is once you obtain a fungi, you never sell it, you pass it down to your next toon. Fungi velocity will be extremely low for this reason so you'll never experience an oversaturation in the market (until like 2500 are on the server...)

[Shaken]

Maybe I should have posted this in the R&F section lol

[Seaweedpimp]

Good thread. Glad to own a stone.

[captainspauldin]

wts fungi tunic 500k

[Badmartigan]

The infinite mana combo with a wiz was with the wiz epic which does a 600pt damage absorb.. ^^so gate.. Epic.. Manastone.. Epic.. Etc.. Etc..

I used to have this combo on ralloe zek and it was an awesome combo.

[TJHooker]

Here's how it works. Quad -> portal to old world -> manastone up -> gate back to quad spot -> ??? -> profit.


Heh, but if you die you are in the perpetual loop of death!

[goodle]

All you peeps backing the mana stone up , defending its value are just sour that you sat for 20+ hours in line waiting for one and once Kunark launches only very few classes have hardly any use for it. The whole porting back to old world /gating is just a hassle and a bit extreme... but I forget this is EQ and the people who have manastones are probably all power gamers who play 8-12 hours a day anyways so ur willing to go to those lengths to level/farm.

[Omnimorph]

I paid 300k for one on live when it actually had no use at ALL. This was in like PoP. You know why? because it's badass to have one, and if you ever want to own one, you'll have to pay the inflated price for getting an item that no longer drops, regardless of its use.

An iksar shaman with a fungi tunic and a manastone exping in old world will be quite nice ;)

[fugazi]

If you're that rich, you can just pay some people to PL you though :P

[Rasah]

If you're that rich, you can just pay some people to PL you though :P
That was my thought. Or at least pay a wandering druid for the equivalent regen.

[loneless999]

screw fungi / manastone just give me a JBB

[Bakaris]

Guise still beats Manastone any day of the week, imo! Well expect if you are DE ;) And good luck trading for that

Manastone is overrated. 60hp for 20mana - it aint that good. Sure it saves _some_ downtime. Clarity is better and soon clarity2 is here. If you looked for clarity2 for the same amount of time you were manastoning to FM and FH - I am betting that clarity2 would be more efficient. And you would have C2 for 30min (or more in kunark?), during fights too. Saves zoning too, if you have to stone down after each pull.

But yes - Manastone is a cool factor. But not for that kind of money people are asking.

[Daldolma]

Manastone is the best item in EverQuest for three different classes (wiz, druid, cleric) through Velious. There is never a replacement or substitute. No matter how many more people join this server, the number of manastones will never increase.

It is a borderline priceless item. It'll cost 150-200k in a year.

[Chippy]

[QUOTE=guineapig;228571]Explain to me how this leads a wizard to have an endless manapool? I fail to see the correlation, especially after I did the math.
Are you referring to raids? Because that leaves you with 2 situations, naggy and vox. Neither of which require too much effort to kill even before Kunark.

Staff of the Four 800 dmg rune + Manastone. about 14 clicks of the manastone per port without delving into your HP. I guess you just never saw it on your server.

[Bakaris]

Staff of the Four 800 dmg rune + Manastone. about 14 clicks of the manastone per port without delving into your HP. I guess you just never saw it on your server.

60hp for 20mana. As you said, thats 280mana per rune. Rune takes 15sec to cast - and lets say 5 sec to stone down the rune. So 20secs for 280mana. And how much mana does a wizard have at 60? 3500-4000 ? (I dont know) - so thats 13-15 times 20. So around 4-6min for full mana from 0. Then count in zoning too.

I am sure its faster - but I mean, how much faster ? Its not that ground breaking.

[Messianic]

Staff of the Four 800 dmg rune + Manastone. about 14 clicks of the manastone per port without delving into your HP. I guess you just never saw it on your server.

It's definitely a great farming tool with the wizard epic - i plan on using that very combo. But it's not "the best item" or "the best combo" in the game.

Think of it this way:

150 mana to gate to any classic location
Zone time = 5-20 seconds

Cast epic (15 second cast time)
Stone down the rune (~5-10 seconds) = 280 mana
x 10 = 2800 mana in roughly 200-250 seconds

Gate back - 70 mana
Zone time = 5-20 seconds

So, we're looking at roughly 4-5 minutes for a full mana bar. Very cool for places you can safely bind or are close to port locations for farming/etc. But it's limited to instances where porting out and coming back is viable - and that's limited in terms of group or raid experiences.

Admittedly, awesome for old-world junk where you don't even need to port out...


I still think Fungi tunic on a shaman is better.


Edit: Yeah I lowballed the max mana an epiced wizard should have - probably takes more time than that, but still better than 8-10 minute med times

[guineapig]

60hp for 20mana. As you said, thats 280mana per rune. Rune takes 15sec to cast - and lets say 5 sec to stone down the rune. So 20secs for 280mana. And how much mana does a wizard have at 60? 3500-4000 ? (I dont know) - so thats 13-15 times 20. So around 4-6min for full mana from 0. Then count in zoning too.

I am sure its faster - but I mean, how much faster ? Its not that ground breaking.

Thanks for doing the math for me. ;)

Pretty much what he said. Yeah it's all great in theory but when you get down to actual numbers you can save yourself tens of thousands of platinum and just meditate for a couple minutes and grab a snack.

How many wizards do you even expect to have their epics before Velious? You are talking about maybe a handful of people in top tier guilds that will have a chance at this and that won't even start happening till 8 months after Kunark launches. So for the vast majority of wizards on this server your staff/manastone combo is a moot point.

[Seaweedpimp]

They just fixed rune on p99!

OMG OMG OMG

IVE BEN LIVING IN A CAVE WHEN DID THEY FIX THIS?

[Seaweedpimp]

You guys are missing the point. And im not going to pound 100k into your heads.

So, laugh at the kids with manastones, thinking we wasted our money. Go ahead.

[Messianic]

Thanks for doing the math for me. ;)

Pretty much what he said. Yeah it's all great in theory but when you get down to actual numbers you can save yourself tens of thousands of platinum and just meditate for a couple minutes and grab a snack.

How many wizards do you even expect to have their epics before Velious? You are talking about maybe a handful of people in top tier guilds that will have a chance at this and that won't even start happening till 8 months after Kunark launches. So for the vast majority of wizards on this server your staff/manastone combo is a moot point.

I dunno, the wizard epic is fairly easy overall. I'd expect quite a few wizard epics to be present at Velious launch. But I agree with you on the whole - Wizard Epic + Manastone is great, but not necessarily what it's made to be.

That aside, I agree that manastones will be really expensive in the future...

[Supreme]

I have 7 manastones.

They will only go up in price.

[Omnimorph]

Manastones won't ever come down in price en masse. You might luck out and pick up one for 60kish when you have returning players for kunark, but after that they'll steadily go up again. I mean i bought my first one for 30k, then my second for 50k. Then i was offered 80k for one.

So i consider it an investment. If the server is never going beyond velious, then old world zones will always be decent levelling places, so manastones will always have a use.

[Daldolma]

I say this as an uninterested and unbiased observer: manastones will absolutely, 100%, no doubt whatsoever cost between 150k and 200k by Christmas.

Whether or not you can afford to invest 80k now in an item that'll be worth 200k in a year likely has more to do with your platinum situation and class. Debating the actual future of the manastone is a waste of time, though. This has already happened. The manastone will skyrocket in price until flowing thought items enter the server, which, according to the stated goal of P99, is never.

[Mardur]

Flowing thought is velious

[Bakaris]

You guys are missing the point. And im not going to pound 100k into your heads.

So, laugh at the kids with manastones, thinking we wasted our money. Go ahead.

Not saying you wasted your money. Manastone is a decent item, but its overrated. Its a good item, but if you play a 50+ character, I doubt how much use it would be to you.

I know I will be living in sebilis most of the 50's and it would be of no use there.

[goodle]

Not saying you wasted your money. Manastone is a decent item, but its overrated. Its a good item, but if you play a 50+ character, I doubt how much use it would be to you.

I know I will be living in sebilis most of the 50's and it would be of no use there.

Dawt