/Role and Anon

[Versus]

How does everyone feel about this?

I obviously know where the server (raiding guilds especially) stands on this from a mass standpoint. However wouldn't it just be easier for guilds to stay out of each others way? I understand the problem when it comes to mobilization to targets and stuff.

Personally, I hate it. No one ever really did it on Povar, so maybe I'm just not used to it. It's a huge pain in the ass when looking for replacements in groups as well (except for people with IP exemps, as they can see through /role with "/who all 40 50 ENC" displaying all enchanters 40-50 regardless of /role or anon.

Also it's brutal doing /who all ZONE only to return 4 people. Then when you get there there's 45 people.

Just starting conversation, don't beat me to death.
~Discuss.

[Nedala]

wait a sec, only people with an IP exemption can see role/anon people by typing /who all lvl lvl class ?

how is that so?

[Messianic]

They were always available on Classic, so they should be available here. And people should have a choice whether to make their race/class/level available for everyone to see or not...and I wouldn't think the IP exemption issue makes much difference. If someone manages to find and bug me for ports through anon, I'm gonna figure that out.

[Versus]

wait a sec, only people with an IP exemption can see role/anon people by typing /who all lvl lvl class ?

how is that so?

Pretty sure. Rogean said it was a known bug.

[Nedala]

They were always available on Classic, so they should be available here. And people should have a choice whether to make their race/class/level available for everyone to see or not...and I wouldn't think the IP exemption issue makes much difference. If someone manages to find and bug me for ports through anon, I'm gonna figure that out.

you sure do, but i found countless replacements/grp starters that were anon by looking for /who all lvl lvl class, i just assumed it works for everyone.

[azeth]

sometimes when i drop /role I feel like i just slipped either into brand new socks, or out of gross socks.

[Dr4z3r]

Where's the "It's classic so I'll live with it" option?

[Extunarian]

I prefer to not use /role, however once my chanter alt got clarity I've found myself using it more and more. I'd probably use role all the time if I had mained a chanter from the get-go.

[Rais]

Personally I hate using either one. I also disagree with the reasons why raid guilds use it. It's part of the game and should never change tho.

Personally if we have 30ish or so people in sky/fear/hate, and /rol other guilds will come up there not knowing were there and try and leach or work off of what we've been clearing.

Having 30 people or so in a raid zone, and not /anon or /rol it pretty much shows you have the zone on lock down and people won't bother you. It's much eaiser to tell your guild people are already there with a big force, as compared to getting everyone there buffed and zoned in.

I mean, really like everyone doesn't know what the respawn time window on gods/dragons zones? Everyone has friends in every guild and can get that info easy.

[soup]

Absolutely hate /role and /anon.

Can't believe how big of a deal people make about getting asked for some buffs or ports. Yes, I had a level 50 druid here for quite some time and never used /role or /anon so I know how it is.

[Shiftin]

Personally I hate using either one. I also disagree with the reasons why raid guilds use it. It's part of the game and should never change tho.

Personally if we have 30ish or so people in sky/fear/hate, and /rol other guilds will come up there not knowing were there and try and leach or work off of what we've been clearing.

Having 30 people or so in a raid zone, and not /anon or /rol it pretty much shows you have the zone on lock down and people won't bother you. It's much eaiser to tell your guild people are already there with a big force, as compared to getting everyone there buffed and zoned in.

I mean, really like everyone doesn't know what the respawn time window on gods/dragons zones? Everyone has friends in every guild and can get that info easy.

We have tracked, mobilized and killed Vox, draco, CT and inny before any other guild knew they up. DA has done the same to us on vox. The respawn window is *4 days long* on these mobs.

No one takes a whole raid force to a zone on accident because they didn't realize another guild was there.

[Versus]

Personally if we have 30ish or so people in sky/fear/hate, and /rol other guilds will come up there not knowing were there and try and leach or work off of what we've been clearing.

Having 30 people or so in a raid zone, and not /anon or /rol it pretty much shows you have the zone on lock down and people won't bother you.

This is what I was thinking.

I get the feeling that somewhere in my original post, people got the idea that I was insinuating that /role should be taken out?! Don't know where people got that idea from. /role is obviously classic. I just want to know peoples OPINIONS on the use of /role. Personally, i'd like to see the use of it stopped, if for no other reason than I have to do /who all gukbottom, then ask a random person to do a CC for me to find out if raster is camped by some anon/role monk. Other situations apply: 45+'s in Mistmoore obviously camping damphe/lasna, etc. Just saves time knowing who is where.

[Klyre]

I really don't like to be rude. Unfortunately I am sometimes forced to be considered as such if I am busy trying to accomplish something and someone believes that you should give up your time or your groups time to Buff/Rez etc.

I have been called names from people who walk into a camp that my group is working and expect me to give them a rez as my party is desperately fighting off a difficult situation. I find that I don't have to put them or me in a situation that would cause bad feelings. This is not the norm, and I am always willing to help out anyone who asks, if it does not conflict with the time I have available.

When I am available I never have /anon or /roleplay on. I think that is just bad form.

I also believe that a guild or group is well within their rights to go /roleplay so as not to advertise their intentions.

My only frustration would be that /roleplay /anon works on people in your guild as well....I would like to be able to see who in your own guild is what level/location without haveing to ask.

[Versus]

My only frustration would be that /roleplay /anon works on people in your guild as well....I would like to be able to see who in your own guild is what level/location without haveing to ask.

This would save me some grief as well. Guild tool was a great addition to EQ, imo.

[Wotsirb401]

I have a few spots that are sick xp/loot camps whith extremly minimal mobs, I use it so people don't find out where I am and camp it. 2 people is WAAAy to many

[Dr4z3r]

No one takes a whole raid force to a zone on accident because they didn't realize another guild was there.

This, too.

[Randy]

If guild didn't have /anon/role available... ya think they'd be doing like a distraction raid? like log their alts into Hate making other guilds think Inny is up... then switching to the real target? Probably not, but that'd be funny if it worked.

Anyhow, I play a cleric and enchanter. I've yet to /role or /anon. For me, if i'm not busy i'll help others... if i'm busy i tell them i can't help. No one has gotten mad at me for not helping them. Maybe, I'm just lucky.

Bottom line, /role/anon doesn't bother me but I wish when you did a / all 'zone' that it'd give you the real number of people in the zone. I don't need their name or who specifically is there. Just how crowded it is.

I need a 5th option to vote on... "Don't give a shit"

[Klyre]

Bottom line, /role/anon doesn't bother me but I wish when you did a / all 'zone' that it'd give you the real number of people in the zone. I don't need their name or who specifically is there. Just how crowded it is.



I agree with this ^^

[hedbonker]

As a cleric I put up role to indicate that I am otherwise busy and not available to run across 10 zones to rez your entire party for 20p.

[Versus]

As far as raids and clerics/druids/wizards go though, obviously (or should be obviously...) if you are in Sky/Hate/Fear, you presumably won't be getting tells from people in guk for res's/ports...

So go ahead and take em off on raids~

[Messianic]

Why does it bother people if you're /role or /anon?

Do you have to know what kind of boxers I happen to be sporting today? Or are you more interested in whether i'm wearing a tank top or plain white undershirt?

Does it harm your MMO experience if you don't know what level/race/class I am? Would you also like to know my modified AC value based on the worn AC softcap? What about exact mana and hp?

Why don't you go the full length and know my IP address, home address, profession, and toilet paper preference?


In all seriousness - why is it anyone else's business what level/race/class I am?

[SwordNboard]

I obviously know where the server (raiding guilds especially) stands on this from a mass standpoint.

Then why are you polling?

[StinkyGreenBud]

Who cares.

[twaindamain]

I played on TZ for most of my EQ live career and most recently with the same guild on Zek. We were required to be unanon on raids but i rarely went anon anyway.

[Orov]

Anyhow, I play a cleric and enchanter. I've yet to /role or /anon. For me, if i'm not busy i'll help others... if i'm busy i tell them i can't help. No one has gotten mad at me for not helping them. Maybe, I'm just lucky.




I don't mind helping others with ports/buffs either when I'm not busy. Unlike you though I have had people get angry with me because I said "Sorry, can't port you right now I'm busy."

Seriously.

[hedbonker]

I don't mind helping others with ports/buffs either when I'm not busy. Unlike you though I have had people get angry with me because I said "Sorry, can't port you right now I'm busy."

Seriously.

Same

[audacity]

<3 hedbonker

Also, I like to /rp in game, because I like to RP in the sack too. You know...sexual preference and all

I puts on my wizord hat and robez

[Akame]

You forgot several options... wanting to make your sorry ass run across 5 zones only to find me camping your perfect dream camp, making your trackers work that extra 3-4 minutes to figure out what our guild is doing to slow you down just a little, I'm actually roleplaying, I like the purple name sticking out among the blue ones because it makes me feel special, because its funny when people ask my wizard for clarity, and finally, pretending I'm farming fine steel off somewhere when I'm really hiding in a zone cybering Abacab.

[Damaja]

I am pvp raised so its instinct I remain anon

[guineapig]

My clerics likes to respond to requests for SoW by casting Resolution.

Occasionally I will still get somebody saying "That's not what I asked for".... :(

[Ledzepp02]

Where's your spirit of mystery, of the unknown consequences that you might encounter? If you could sit in EC and /who your way into figuring something to do, you would never get anything done because

a.) ah crap, there's 18 people in solb, no doubt every possible camp is taken by a full group.
b.) damnit, there's like 10 50's in lower guk, everything is camped and being farmed i'm sure.
c.) Oh wow, there's x amount of people in xxx zone, why would i bother making that trip?
d.) etc etc

The point is, you would sit on your ass in EC and be pessimistic about every possible scenario, because you would know exactly how many people, at what levels, are in any particular zone, at any time. That simply sounds foolish and boring.

Have a little adventure, take some risks, or rely on the information of other people (maybe that level 20 in the zone that you want to head to) when inquiring about who might be camping what. Asking for help/a simple camp check from a lowbie in a random zone can actually lead to a friendly conversation!

TL;DR /role, /anon saves fun; no /role, /anon kills fun!

[NZV]

/anon is the worst thing. Why does your level 30 rogue ass need to have an anon tag up? I guess I can understand if you play a wizard/druid/cleric and get annoyed easily, but most people with anon/role enabled have no business doing so and have certainly missed out on opportunities because of it.

[Blango27]

I do /role because if not i get begged for buffs/ports non stop from the time i log on to the time i log off.

[Dravingar]

I go /role because I like the purple name and on live I was a druid for years and got used to it.

[Versus]

My personal favorite is the /anon's that also have /LFG on.

[Bilyeh]

Purple

[Innovative]

I don't see the point of going /anon. Is it to hide your guild tag? Because anyone can go /guildst <target> and see that anyways. I can understand certain classes going /role if they don't have the time to buff/rez people but other than that I just don't get it.

[Bruno]

Cool.

[username17]

I understand 'hiding' from the masses if you play a cleric, druid, enchanter or wizard.
The amount of tells you could get from people across the world, it's crazy.

Using /role or /anon to signify that you are closed for business.

I recall on live you'd do a / all lfg and 90% of the results were 'ANONYMOUS LFG'. It made no sense.
For a while you HAD to be /anon or role on Live cause of all the spammers.

There are specific and legitimate uses for it. Hiding your raid presence is meh.

It should stay in.

[Innovative]

This is what I was thinking.

I get the feeling that somewhere in my original post, people got the idea that I was insinuating that /role should be taken out?! Don't know where people got that idea from. /role is obviously classic. I just want to know peoples OPINIONS on the use of /role. Personally, i'd like to see the use of it stopped, if for no other reason than I have to do /who all gukbottom, then ask a random person to do a CC for me to find out if raster is camped by some anon/role monk. Other situations apply: 45+'s in Mistmoore obviously camping damphe/lasna, etc. Just saves time knowing who is where.

Yeah, being able to know who is in a zone can definitely help. Last week sometime I ran all the way to droga to find out that one /anon person was camping Chief RokGus. This was after donating for a port to DL, running a few zones over, etc...

[Daywolf]

hmm old post, but anyway I use anon since I don't like people not on my friends list sending me messages wanting me to travel 6-10 zones to be their healbot. And then what, by the time I get there there is no group spot open because they found another just 2 zones away? lol not happening. /anon good, stooped n00bs bad.

[shdwdrake8]

Well my guild was going to pop into Hate to see whats up and oh hai there's a bajillion ppl here. We still got to kill some stuff but I think its just kinda rude to be secretly in a zone. We coulda saved time and money going somewhere else. I dunno about other servers (and it was a long time ago) but I recall that there was a "raid calendar" on some forum that all the raiding guilds abided by. No surprises there. So, to counter the "its not classic" bs that people herp derp regurgitate, it may be classic to anon/role but where are all the raid calendars? I know calendars weren't Verant but there doesn't seem to be much decency here in this dept.

My 2copper.

[Swish]

I don't care half as much about this as people auctioning items without price tags next to everything (even if its an obo price it would be some kind of guideline). Generally on Lanys T people always put prices next to everything... I'm guessing its to stop prices going into freefall?

[Tsuken]

It's their business whether or not they want to use anon. It was in classic, so let them.

Voting on it makes no sense. It's not a democracy, so nobody has to be forced to conform to what the majority wants.

I don't use anon btw.

[Bruno]

Having a very competitive nature when it comes to higher end raiding, I've always liked having the option to be anon. I also like to be left alone when I want to be. By doing a little research you can save yourself time and plat before porting to places you expect to exp. The chances of every single person in a zone being anon is very slim unless it's a guild raid, and in that case too bad. Competition is what makes this game fun.

[Radiskull]

The first character I leveled was a magician. Then a warrior. I never used /anon or /role, and had the same "Why do these losers go /anon?" attitude that a lot of the people before me have mentioned.

Then I leveled a cleric. After about the 300th tell of "Hey, mind running to <random zone on a different continent> to rez my group, I'll donate" and getting 20p, I decided /role was the best tool ever implemented in this game, outside of /ignore.

Long story short. Anyone who says /anon is stupid has never played a cleric, druid, or enchanter. Anyone who says they did is lying or a saint.

[Doors]

I use anon because I'm so used to it from pvp servers. Other than that I hate guild tags sticking out under my name.

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

As a cleric I put up role to indicate that I am otherwise busy and not available to run across 10 zones to rez your entire party for 20p.

I feel ya.

[Knightmare]

Ya know, it's funny to read some of the comments and see how some are so extreme. There really is a time and place for everything. I don't have issue with the option of /role /anon but rather about how some people choose to use the option.

On my druid, I keep /Role up. Partly to avoid the tells asking for ports, and partly because I usually will roleplay on the druid as a buffing slave to our Iksar guild. Or I'm PLing someone and don't want to be distracted so I may /anon. On my Necromancer/Enchanter, I switch it up: if I'm in a RP mood and feel like hissing a lot, I flip it on and talk in Lizardman: that's why /Role is an option, after all, to Roleplay. But if I go LFG or don't have a good reason to keep it on, I take the damn thing down, it's pointless to keep it up without good reason.

I do also have that old Zek habit, of always wanting to be anon. It's a hard habit to break, particularly when it would get you killed. But I do try to fight it :)

[Harm]

I hate it when people ask me for some kind of favor while being anon or role. I have no idea who you are, why should I help you? I usually respond with some sarcastic RP about it until they take anon off.

[Ihealyou]

I hate it when people ask me for some kind of favor while being anon or role. I have no idea who you are, why should I help you? I usually respond with some sarcastic RP about it until they take anon off.

If you have no idea who I am, why shouldn't you help me? Obviously, you can say no to anyone you want, but how does knowing my race and class affect your decision?

[Kika Maslyaka]

If you have no idea who I am, why shouldn't you help me? Obviously, you can say no to anyone you want, but how does knowing my race and class affect your decision?

and location.
i assume he ment when someone sends him a tell like: can you please rez/port/buff me?
with no additional info, and they are /anon

which then lead to questions like - where are you, your corpse, your group, etc, while doing /who would answer majority questions.

on other hand, i do believe that its peoples business if they /anon or whatever.
Of course if you are /anon, and asking someone for something, please be wise to include additional info they may need to know to reply to your request properly

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[Sharrd]

The only issue I ever have with these is when I'm running to a solo spot that I know can't be shared. I do a /who all zone, hey, nobody else is in the zone, awesome! I continue to check the entire way there. I get to the zone and somebody is anon. Awesome, what a waste of time for me. If they weren't anon I could have sent them a tell, said hey, how long you gonna be there? All night? Awesome, thanks man.

Its the most frustrating when its a class that doesn't need to be anon to avoid morons.

[Ihealyou]

and location.
i assume he ment when someone sends him a tell like: can you please rez/port/buff me?
with no additional info, and they are /anon

which then lead to questions like - where are you, your corpse, your group, etc, while doing /who would answer majority questions.

on other hand, i do believe that its peoples business if they /anon or whatever.
Of course if you are /anon, and asking someone for something, please be wise to include additional info they may need to know to reply to your request properly


Unless someone's right in front of you, you'd still need to ask where they are. Not being anon does let you filter out the people who want a rez 15 zones away for 20p quicker though :(:(

[baalzy]

I typically only run anon to keep people from riding us when doing guild activities, and even then only selectively.

For 95% of my playtime my character, class, and zone are out on display.

[Taryth]

I prefer to not use /role, however once my chanter alt got clarity I've found myself using it more and more. I'd probably use role all the time if I had mained a chanter from the get-go.

^
Makes me not want to buff /anon or /role people.

[username17]

Not to derail, but every time I walk into the EC tunnel on my Barbarian rogue I get a DMF, cleric buffs, and clarity.
I'M NOT A SHAMAN~!

Somewhat related to topic, but going /role won't save me from buff requests in EC.

[Zakaton]

I always feel like /anon people are up to something sneaky.

[Kika Maslyaka]

long time ago, my level 15 ranger was minding her own own business in Tox forest by druid ring, when suddenly someone approaches me and asks for a port.
I go into 3rd person view, look at my 2handed sword, banded chain armor, and ask the person if I look anything like a druid?
Their reply was : "But you are wood elf, right?" :rolleyes:

[soup]

and location.
i assume he ment when someone sends him a tell like: can you please rez/port/buff me?
with no additional info, and they are /anon

which then lead to questions like - where are you, your corpse, your group, etc, while doing /who would answer majority questions.

on other hand, i do believe that its peoples business if they /anon or whatever.
Of course if you are /anon, and asking someone for something, please be wise to include additional info they may need to know to reply to your request properly

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It can be about more than that though. It's the whole idea that someone is more than willing to search out random people who let their level and class and location be known and request help, while they themselves remain hidden to prevent other people from doing the same. It can be looked at as a double standard of sorts. "I have no problem with asking random people for help, but I make sure no one can do the same of me."

[Zuranthium]

Is there a quest item Rangers need somewhere in Tox Forest? Why would you be at that Druid Ring at all?

[Waedawen]

Druid's currently 57

I never go anon or /role unless I'm doing something my friends or I don't want other people to know about.

On that, I get asked for ports and buffs often enough and have no problem saying no or yes depending on my mood or availability.

I will absolutely NOT do ANY favor whatsoever for a person who is Anonymous asking me while not Anon myself.

If you have the privilege of asking ME for a favor, I should be able to ask YOU. Otherwise, you can go fuck yourself.

[Bruno]

It can be about more than that though. It's the whole idea that someone is more than willing to search out random people who let their level and class and location be known and request help, while they themselves remain hidden to prevent other people from doing the same. It can be looked at as a double standard of sorts. "I have no problem with asking random people for help, but I make sure no one can do the same of me."

If that is how that person perceives it, then the other person will just have to live with that consequence. Although, they will probably be thinking that about half the server, and probably a hypocrite themselves if they ever used /role or /anon. It's just as selfish to tell someone they shouldn't use /anon or /role because that's the way they want it. You are not entitled to anything. It's also very naive to think that people don't take this game seriously.

You can say my attitude is what's wrong with this server blah blah blah, but I'm just being realistic. And anyone who knows me in game knows I would and do bend over backwards for most.

[Nineran]

This has probably been said. But when you do a /who all Dalnir and nothing comes up. You head over cause the NoS camp is up. You show up and there are three people in line all anon. Please just take it off for that camp! You may get bugged by a few people, but you have nothing better to do other than respond to them anyways.

[Muletide]

I just want /who all count zone to work correctly.

[Bruno]

This has probably been said. But when you do a /who all Dalnir and nothing comes up. You head over cause the NoS camp is up. You show up and there are three people in line all anon. Please just take it off for that camp! You may get bugged by a few people, but you have nothing better to do other than respond to them anyways.

You have bard speed. I don't feel bad for you :D. These Jboots are getting worn. It might be time to purchase some sow pots.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Is there a quest item Rangers need somewhere in Tox Forest? Why would you be at that Druid Ring at all?

I don't know, sitting resting =P
I think I was on my way from warrens with loot or something

[Harm]

If you have no idea who I am, why shouldn't you help me? Obviously, you can say no to anyone you want, but how does knowing my race and class affect your decision?

People mostly gave the response I would give already, but to add to it, when someone is anon and asking me for something, I assume the worst, and there's a much greater chance that I'll ignore the request or respond with derision.

[soup]

If that is how that person perceives it, then the other person will just have to live with that consequence. Although, they will probably be thinking that about half the server, and probably a hypocrite themselves if they ever used /role or /anon. It's just as selfish to tell someone they shouldn't use /anon or /role because that's the way they want it. You are not entitled to anything. It's also very naive to think that people don't take this game seriously.

You can say my attitude is what's wrong with this server blah blah blah, but I'm just being realistic. And anyone who knows me in game knows I would and do bend over backwards for most.

Leveled a druid to 50 pre Kunark here, and currently play a 55 shaman. Never ever use /anon or /role. I feel perfectly comfortable being less eager to help people who ask me for help if they're /anon or /role without feeling hypocritical about it.

Just so we're clear, I've never not helped someone specifcally for being /anon or /role, but there have been times where I don't feel like going out of my way but am considering it, and then do /who all on the person asking for help and realize I can't see their level or class or location and just decide "Fuck it, I'm gonna pretend I'm AFK"

[Nocte]

I'm never /role unless I'm on a raid and my guild asks me to, then I just chuckle to myself and /role until we're done. I don't care if other people /role or not, though.

[Bruno]

Leveled a druid to 50 pre Kunark here, and currently play a 55 shaman. Never ever use /anon or /role. I feel perfectly comfortable being less eager to help people who ask me for help if they're /anon or /role without feeling hypocritical about it.

Just so we're clear, I've never not helped someone specifcally for being /anon or /role, but there have been times where I don't feel like going out of my way but am considering it, and then do /who all on the person asking for help and realize I can't see their level or class or location and just decide "Fuck it, I'm gonna pretend I'm AFK"

You don't have to clear anything up with me. I was agreeing with you. It's your right to not want to help someone anon or role for whatever reason you want, just like it's their right to use the function in the game for whatever reason they feel like.

Thread is redundant now. It needs to go away. So yea, last post.