since when is it ok to steal camps

[dude]

It seems like every time i log on and try to play i see 2 boxing, camp steeling, bullshit going on.

[loramin]

https://i.imgur.com/xCt7fcJ.gif

[dbouya]

/petition
although camping the room or hallway next to your camp isn't considered stealing in the rules.
I've run into dickheads a few times on this server but it's pretty rare, and if it does happen you have to point it out.

[Brocode]

20 seconds to kill while its full respawn, otherwise unconstested camp. Sure people can be nicer and understand, or just dick in.

[Lhancelot]

It seems like every time i log on and try to play i see 2 boxing, camp steeling, bullshit going on.

RnF that way --------------->

(When it gets moved there, feel free to name so we may shame)

[Canelek]

2-boxing and camp stealing at the same time, or is this just a general rant?

Location and said camp-stealers would certainly be helpful.

[Ashintar]

Try red? not enough people there to steal or 2box...

[Lhancelot]

2-boxing and camp stealing at the same time, or is this just a general rant?

Location and said camp-stealers would certainly be helpful.

[dude]

I was killing at the giant fort in burning woods, these to iksars came in and just took over, looked like a 2 box to me. so i cursed them out. they said if i cant clear the camp its his. cause it takes a long time to med when your a wizard and no one gives a shit. If im there first and was killing when i had the mana to do so it should had been claimed by me. This is why I can play any character over 50 its the same no mater what.

ill get over it or just not play

[Shrubwise]

Hate camp steelers.

[Maner]

I was killing at the giant fort in burning woods, these to iksars came in and just took over, looked like a 2 box to me. so i cursed them out. they said if i cant clear the camp its his. cause it takes a long time to med when your a wizard and no one gives a shit. If im there first and was killing when i had the mana to do so it should had been claimed by me. This is why I can play any character over 50 its the same no mater what.

ill get over it or just not play

So you assumed they were boxing just because you were upset. You admit that you weren't clearing the "camp". "when i had the mana to do so" is your own admission to not holding the "camp". Outside zones also have no actual camps according to the p99 rules, you can claim a single spawn though.

I dont think you can play any character over 50...

[Lhancelot]

So you assumed they were boxing just because you were upset. You admit that you weren't clearing the "camp". "when i had the mana to do so" is your own admission to not holding the "camp". Outside zones also have no actual camps according to the p99 rules, you can claim a single spawn though.

I dont think you can play any character over 50...

Well there's no rule that as soon as mob pops you must kill it immediately.

To his credit, if he is sitting there, proper etiquette would have been for them to ask if he was going to pull them, and if not could they have the camp.

Come on Maner!

[dbouya]

If he's a wizard quadding when he hits full mana semi-afk....

Then I imagine not only did he never once kill everything in the "camp" but he also probably left half the camp or more up at all times.

Of course in cases like this what is actually happening is usually known as "sharing".
Especially given it was outdoors, there's nothing they could've done to make you leave, although in order to stay you may have had to do things like single double or triple kite, wasting mana. It's pretty common on blue for a "camp" to become overcrowded and result in the more powerful group getting more kills than the less powerful group that was already there.

There are lots of other zones out there though, and people who are rude enough to muscle in on your spot are also often rude enough to break other rules, like training you "accidentally" to get the whole area to themselves.

[Qtip]

I was killing at the giant fort in burning woods, these to iksars came in and just took over, looked like a 2 box to me. so i cursed them out. they said if i cant clear the camp its his. cause it takes a long time to med when your a wizard and no one gives a shit. If im there first and was killing when i had the mana to do so it should had been claimed by me. This is why I can play any character over 50 its the same no mater what.

ill get over it or just not play

This is a travesty.

[Pokesan]

wizards aren't allowed to camp things

[Crashking]

Well since we don't have the whole story, its hard to say what really occurred, but I have a feeling there was a complete lack of sharing.

It doesn't matter how he was killing the mobs - the fact he was there first means others were buttheads butting their way into what should be considered a camp. 99's rules are rather lax on what they call a camp. The one thing it does say is that roaming mobs don't work as a camp.

Sad to say that it seems more like any mobs that don't pop a named are treated less like a camp and various nefarious folks feel they have the right to treat other players badly.

Here is my advice: if you feel you were wronged or are being harmed as a player no matter how you choose to play... PETITION if a GM shows up though an online petition great but chances are slim since they are volunteers so follow it up with an Forum (offline) petition. Repeated behavior from player will be dealt with. It seems the more you want to just solo, the more often you run into others that think too bad for you we are just going to do what we want because we can kill more / faster then you.

What would have been nice to see in this instance is communication from the others looking at the giants and figuring out if they could share the area with you or what not... not just barge in and start killing things just because some of the mobs were spawned. As the 99 rules state its better for players to try and work things out before involving CSR / GM...

[Kavious]

I was killing at the giant fort in burning woods, these to iksars came in and just took over

I once had this problem at the BW giant fort. I was killing two specific spawns at the fort. I didnt care about the rest, I just wanted the two spawns I had at the bottom of the ramp. There was another guy who was killing some of the other spawns in the fort and everything was civil.

Civil until that guys friend showed up and then they wanted every giant at the fort. They sent me a tell and asked me to leave since they could now kill the whole fort. I respectfully declined. They then proceeded to KS my two spawns and got really unfriendly and declared that they owned the camp now

So I petitioned. Sirken showed up and after a couple minutes, both of them went LD. Afterwards Sirken sent me a tell and said they wouldnt be bothering me anymore. First and last time I ever had such a problem there. Most people play nice and can share spawns

[kined]

I'll just say this 99.9999% of the time people claim camp stealing it's because they don't know the rules that constitute a camp. Usually they are claiming it's stolen under rules of ettiquette rather than actual server rules. I've been here like 5 years and I can't recall ever having a camp stolen against the rules, but I've seen hundreds of complaints about camp stealing in situations where they were wrong and didn't have a real claim to the camp. Very few people seem to comprehend the actual rules and just assume they do based on intuition.

The other ones you are just completely guessing. 2 boxxing in particular is not a priblem in this community except for nosey bastards. It's not really something you see blatantly, it's fine even if some twats abuse loopholes to some extent

[thebutthat]

Perhaps one of the several p99 attorney's will take up your case and present it before the petition court.

[Lemonhead]

The people claiming there's some hardset rules are misinformed. (In the xp game) The real rule is the golden rule: be nice to eachother, try to work it out, and share. Usually the ones that try to follow that will win in a petition.

[Spyder73]

Giant Fort in FM can support multiple groups......?

[Whirled]

Necro + Wiz is powerful combo. Shame you couldn't have grouped with them to round out the fun for all.

[aaezil]

20 seconds to kill while its full respawn, otherwise unconstested camp. Sure people can be nicer and understand, or just dick in.

Nowhere in the rules does it say anything like that. Do people just pull rules out of a hat here now?

[Troxx]

Necro + Wiz is powerful combo. Shame you couldn't have grouped with them to round out the fun for all.

Necro + any other class is a more powerful duo.

[Whirled]

Necro + any other class is a more powerful duo.

Yes, and OP is a wizard. Cheers!

[Lemonhead]

Ya, I think grouping up was the best answer here. I'll usually give my camp up to a group or ask to join them, cause this is a grouping game. But I also won't mess up someone's day either. Most people play like this from what I've seen.

[Lhancelot]

It seems like every time i log on and try to play i see 2 boxing, camp steeling, bullshit going on.

Why not send a petition in? Let the guides put these dirty iksar in their proper place.

You know, why does it always seem like Iksar exhibit the worst behavior in the game? :confused:

[wwoneo]

Actually, these guys are scumbags and breaking the rules... OP has a legit claim to the camp. OP has a claim to the mobs that he is camping and killing. The iksars can have the rest of the mobs, but he should have control over the mobs hes continuously killing. The camp stealers should be banned. Just because there are additional mobs spawned that OP isn't killing quickly enough doesn't mean that these offenders are entitled to take everything.

[Canelek]

Based on the OPs telling, those guys were out of line. I am not sure what the current etiquette is on the BW fort, however.

Usually, a quick chat can resolve existing or potential camp contention, but I understand that many are not great communicators, except for using Twitter while on the shitter! :D

[Lemonhead]

I'm pooping right now. Don't steal my spot.

[Thugnuts]

Oh don't worry, that's just Aftermath rolling in to farm Forest Loops. It's probably your fault for being there in the first place, OP.

[Transylvania]

Try Red. Not enough people there to tell you anything that ever happens there.

[Dreenk317]

Why not send a petition in? Let the guides put these dirty iksar in their proper place.

You know, why does it always seem like Iksar exhibit the worst behavior in the game? :confused:

From the rule book!!!

4.7. You may not harass others.

Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. As harassment can take many forms, the P99CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not a "reasonable person" would feel harassed and act accordingly.

As was said earlier....
https://i.imgur.com/xCt7fcJ.gif

😜

[Arkanjil]

Oh don't worry, that's just Aftermath rolling in to farm Forest Loops. It's probably your fault for being there in the first place, OP.

This guy is mad.

[NegaStoat]

Actually, these guys are scumbags and breaking the rules... OP has a legit claim to the camp. OP has a claim to the mobs that he is camping and killing. The iksars can have the rest of the mobs, but he should have control over the mobs hes continuously killing. The camp stealers should be banned. Just because there are additional mobs spawned that OP isn't killing quickly enough doesn't mean that these offenders are entitled to take everything.

It's a strange situation on this server. The GM's only enforce a player's right to camp a single outdoor spawn at its spawn point. That's it. In the distant past there was something about a 4 spawn rule if they were all close together to be considered a camp for a solo player, but then around 2 years ago it was reduced to just one.

In theory the iksar player(s) could have checked to see which 2 to 3 giants the OP was killing and then started to help themselves to the rest. But the players on this server are largely dicks. I keep coming back every now and then to see if a fresh server will be rolled out and what the altered rules set will be (because there WILL be changes with it).

Until then, the necros and shamans camping felwithe guards with sub level 10 characters parked next to them to bank with and the dual boxed merchants in EC tunnel can continue to gather navel lint.

[loramin]

But the players on this server are largely dicks. I keep coming back every now and then to see if a fresh server will be rolled out and what the altered rules set will be (because there WILL be changes with it).

I think the larger problem is plain old ignorance. X% of new players don't even read the rules on the Getting Started page. Y% do when they first start, but they don't "grok" them fully because they're new. Z% read the whole thing, "grok" all of it, and maybe even come back a month later to re-read it ... but a year after that they've forgotten important stuff.

And then there's "rules" like:

In the distant past there was something about a 4 spawn rule if they were all close together to be considered a camp for a solo player, but then around 2 years ago it was reduced to just one.

You and I know that, most forum regulars and people who petitioned over those issues knows that, but it's not actually in the rules.

Imagine ... what if the staff (or player volunteers with staff support) completely rewrote the rules, making them as brief as possible but still including every rule the guides/GMs follow? What if a link to those rules was "stickied" at the top of every forum, wiki, or main project1999.com page? What if new players got sent an email a few months after signing up (and every year after?) reminding them of the rules? What if when you logged in to EQ itself the server MoTD was had helpful rule reminders like "If a player has been waiting to kill a single monster since before you arrived it is against the rules to kill that monster"?

I really think if the server did some of those things, or anything else in that vein to help inform the players of the rules, it would genuinely reduce both the number of petitions the staff has to deal with and the number of threads like this one ... ie. the number of dicks.

[markcosmin]

I was killing at the giant fort in burning woods, these to iksars came in and just took over, looked like a 2 box to me. so i cursed them out. they said if i cant clear the camp its his. cause it takes a long time to med when your a wizard and no one gives a shit. If im there first and was killing when i had the mana to do so it should had been claimed by me. This is why I can play any character over 50 its the same no mater what.

ill get over it or just not play

Actually you were soloing the two giants at the bottom of the ramp. We were logged out at the top of the ramp in the safe spot, when we logged in not a single mob was dead and we offered you to group. I'll post the logs.

[Thu Oct 26 14:21:58 2017] Zabs says, 'hellow'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Zabs says, 'wow thanks'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:44 2017] Zabs says, 'you guys really suck'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:53 2017] You say, 'um, k'
[Thu Oct 26 14:25:21 2017] Applesaws says, '???'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:23 2017] Zabs says, 'i was here just cause i cant kill as fast as you doesnt give you the right bro'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:49 2017] Applesaws says, 'everything was up'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:52 2017] Applesaws says, 'outside too'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:59 2017] Zabs says, 'i was medding '
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:05 2017] Applesaws says, 'we wouldnt care if you wanna solo outside mobs'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:19 2017] Applesaws says, 'since you are alone, seems fair to me'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:23 2017] Zabs says, 'fuck you asshole'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:34 2017] You say, 'right'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:39 2017] You say, 'well, have a good day then, if you wanna group let us know'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:44 2017] Zabs says, 'Hail'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:54 2017] Zabs says, 'have fun dickhead'
[Thu Oct 26 14:29:00 2017] You say, 'thanks'

We were also there BEFORE you, however you never came up the ramp to see that. We also offer players that pass by groups all the time.

[aaezil]

Did anybody in this thread ever even read the p99 rules?


"No two decisions, even at the same 'camp', are guaranteed to be the same, as we will take into account multiple factors in making a determination on a 'camp'.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes."


Nothing about 20 seconds, nothing about outdoors, nothing about 1 spawn point outside. None of that exists in the rules post that the public can see lol.

[Thugnuts]

Actually you were soloing the two giants at the bottom of the ramp. We were logged out at the top of the ramp in the safe spot, when we logged in not a single mob was dead and we offered you to group. I'll post the logs.

[Thu Oct 26 14:21:58 2017] Zabs says, 'hellow'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Zabs says, 'wow thanks'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:44 2017] Zabs says, 'you guys really suck'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:53 2017] You say, 'um, k'
[Thu Oct 26 14:25:21 2017] Applesaws says, '???'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:23 2017] Zabs says, 'i was here just cause i cant kill as fast as you doesnt give you the right bro'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:49 2017] Applesaws says, 'everything was up'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:52 2017] Applesaws says, 'outside too'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:59 2017] Zabs says, 'i was medding '
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:05 2017] Applesaws says, 'we wouldnt care if you wanna solo outside mobs'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:19 2017] Applesaws says, 'since you are alone, seems fair to me'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:23 2017] Zabs says, 'fuck you asshole'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:34 2017] You say, 'right'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:39 2017] You say, 'well, have a good day then, if you wanna group let us know'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:44 2017] Zabs says, 'Hail'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:54 2017] Zabs says, 'have fun dickhead'
[Thu Oct 26 14:29:00 2017] You say, 'thanks'

As per previously stated policy, copy/pasted chat logs are not sufficient evidence. You must post actual screenshots or video, otherwise who knows what really happened? For example:

[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi, care to join me for some explicit adult chat on discord?'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Thugnuts says, 'wow thanks =)'

[Lhancelot]

Actually you were soloing the two giants at the bottom of the ramp. We were logged out at the top of the ramp in the safe spot, when we logged in not a single mob was dead and we offered you to group. I'll post the logs.

[Thu Oct 26 14:21:58 2017] Zabs says, 'hellow'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Zabs says, 'wow thanks'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:44 2017] Zabs says, 'you guys really suck'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:53 2017] You say, 'um, k'
[Thu Oct 26 14:25:21 2017] Applesaws says, '???'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:23 2017] Zabs says, 'i was here just cause i cant kill as fast as you doesnt give you the right bro'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:49 2017] Applesaws says, 'everything was up'
[Thu Octz 26 14:26:52 2017] Applesaws says, 'outside too'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:59 2017] Zabs says, 'i was medding '
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:05 2017] Applesaws says, 'we wouldnt care if you wanna solo outside mobs'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:19 2017] Applesaws says, 'since you are alone, seems fair to me'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:23 2017] Zabs says, 'fuck you asshole'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:34 2017] You say, 'right'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:39 2017] You say, 'well, have a good day then, if you wanna group let us know'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:44 2017] Zabs says, 'Hail'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:54 2017] Zabs says, 'have fun dickhead'
[Thu Oct 26 14:29:00 2017] You say, 'thanks'

We were also there BEFORE you, however you never came up the ramp to see that. We also offer players that pass by groups all the time.

Ahhh, so we been bamboozled!

OP lacks social skills, is paranoid and delusional in thinking everyone is out to take advantage of him, and seeks confirmation that all the server is full of awful and selfish players.

Why is this not in RnF? :D

[Lhancelot]

As per previously stated policy, copy/pasted chat logs are not sufficient evidence. You must post actual screenshots or video, otherwise who knows what really happened? For example:

[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi, care to join me for some explicit adult chat on discord?'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Thugnuts says, 'wow thanks =)'

Applesaws is an upstanding member of the p99 community! He'd never, ever fabricate chat logs.

[markcosmin]

Applesaws is an upstanding member of the p99 community! He'd never, ever fabricate chat logs.

we will also be here till 55, we ALWAYS invite LFG people, so if you are 50ish and dps, or bard/enc etc will invite you, send a tell and come over

[dbouya]

I've actually found gm's show up pretty quickly from a petition. I've been surprised how fast I've gotten a response. Yes. You might have to stay where you are for an hour. Or whatever. They're all volunteers though and they do their best.

I encourage anyone who thinks they have a real problem to petition.

That said. I've very rarely seen boxers. The most likely way to be sure someone is a boxer though is to catch them being controlled via chat. If a player character is being controlled via chat messages they are receiving that is against the rules. That's a pretty easy one to "catch". Other than that though you're mostly just guessing.

[Lhancelot]

1. GMs show up pretty quickly from a petition.

3. Anyone who thinks they have a real problem should petition.

2. I've very rarely seen boxers.

I agree with these. ^

[dude]

i was grouped with a mage inside and we had just killed gourge or whatever its name is 1/2 way thru the fight i cast shadow step on accident and was put out side. I killed my way back in and me and the mage parted ways he camped, and btw i was there before the mage and he had the decency to want to group. but i stayed and killed the giant in front of me up top then medded when the below took place. you stole my camp.

Thank you for admitting you are a 2 boxing Camp stealing douche bag fuck face asshole matha fucker.



actually the mage was soloing the bottom before we grouped i was inside but you know that already.

Actually you were soloing the two giants at the bottom of the ramp. We were logged out at the top of the ramp in the safe spot, when we logged in not a single mob was dead and we offered you to group. I'll post the logs.

[Thu Oct 26 14:21:58 2017] Zabs says, 'hellow'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Zabs says, 'wow thanks'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:44 2017] Zabs says, 'you guys really suck'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:53 2017] You say, 'um, k'
[Thu Oct 26 14:25:21 2017] Applesaws says, '???'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:23 2017] Zabs says, 'i was here just cause i cant kill as fast as you doesnt give you the right bro'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:49 2017] Applesaws says, 'everything was up'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:52 2017] Applesaws says, 'outside too'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:59 2017] Zabs says, 'i was medding '
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:05 2017] Applesaws says, 'we wouldnt care if you wanna solo outside mobs'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:19 2017] Applesaws says, 'since you are alone, seems fair to me'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:23 2017] Zabs says, 'fuck you asshole'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:34 2017] You say, 'right'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:39 2017] You say, 'well, have a good day then, if you wanna group let us know'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:44 2017] Zabs says, 'Hail'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:54 2017] Zabs says, 'have fun dickhead'
[Thu Oct 26 14:29:00 2017] You say, 'thanks'

We were also there BEFORE you, however you never came up the ramp to see that. We also offer players that pass by groups all the time.

[dude]

in any case i do NOT petition for stupid shit, i don't need a gm to tell me what i already know

[Lhancelot]

i was grouped with a mage inside and we had just killed gourge or whatever its name is 1/2 way thru the fight i cast shadow step on accident and was put out side. I killed my way back in and me and the mage parted ways he camped, and btw i was there before the mage and he had the decency to want to group. but i stayed and killed the giant in front of me up top then medded when the below took place. you stole my camp.

Thank you for admitting you are a 2 boxing Camp stealing douche bag fuck face asshole matha fucker.



actually the mage was soloing the bottom before we grouped i was inside but you know that already.

A nice rant. I still don't see how it's proven he was 2-boxing. I didn't see him admitting he was 2-boxing, where is that at? :(

[Cecily]

https://i.imgur.com/sv2T0bE.png

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/sv2T0bE.png

ok i need this gimme a link

[Cecily]

Over the Garden Wall.

[Lhancelot]

I imagine the reason the rules are like this is to prevent hypothetical scenarios of say a single person claiming a camp they can't solo

Had this happen once. ^

Me and some unknown SK were at MM pond area, the only ones in front half of zone. I pulled a garg that was up, while he was killing some elf when he came running up to me to say I was KSing him. I said the mob was up, as well as tons of other mobs, and the guy berged hard for over an hour in tells.

He claimed the entire pond was his camp, and because I pulled a garg then an elf that was nearby I was encroaching his camp and KSing him. He clearly was not keeping all spawns cleared. He even tried to KS me after I pulled an elf, saying I was KSing him because I pulled from HIS pond camp.

I never met a more retarded and asinine player since being on P99. Dude sent me tells for over a hour.

[Legidias]

Yeah but its MM. Pond camps (even with a full group) half the time try to claim the entire entry area + entire canyon as their camped mobs.

[Lhancelot]

Yeah but its MM. Pond camps (even with a full group) half the time try to claim the entire entry area + entire canyon as their camped mobs.

I can deal with that. There's a big difference between a full group holding pond, and one lone SK soloing, don't you think?

[Legidias]

Sure, but what if it was some uber twinked solo SK with (sub45) raid buffs on and clearing everything like crazy? Still doesnt hold claim on, say, canyon mobs if someone wants to kill those.

Not disagreeing with you at all about people being stupid on camp greed, but it doesnt make a difference if its a single vs group. Just talking about clearing speed / defined area of camp.

[loramin]

I can deal with that. There's a big difference between a full group holding pond, and one lone SK soloing, don't you think?

Sure, but what if it was some uber twinked solo SK with (sub45) raid buffs on and clearing everything like crazy? Still doesnt hold claim on, say, canyon mobs if someone wants to kill those.

There's a certain genius to the current camp rules when it comes to solos. If the lone SK at the pond is competing against a lone shaman (say) at the canyon, the SK gets one pond mob, the shaman gets one canyon mob, and then it's a "race" for all the rest. On average the mobs should roughly get distributed to each player proportionally to their killing speed. Elegant, fair, and no GMs need to get involved.

Then you get to groups and that simplicity goes out the window: instead of camps being easy-to-define singles they become amorphous mob collections that every player/GM seems to define differently. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but what if group camp rules could somehow get the simplicity/elegance of solo camp rules? Like what if a group could officially claim a camp of exactly as many mobs as they have people. You'd have to pick a mob to start and the rest of the mobs would have to be next to it (ie. you couldn't claim mobs scattered all over the dungeon). Everything beyond those mobs would be FTE.

In this scenarios a group doing crypt in Seb could claim all four nameds and the ICGs. They could still do CE also, but if another player/group came and wanted CE the first group would have to give either it or the crypt up. But if they keep crypt, and another group came in and said "we want to split crypt" the first group could tell them to suck it, because they've got the mobs claimed already.

I don't know if that exact rule would work, but I just feel like the simpler, less ambiguous, and more globally-applicable the rules are the more likely everyone on the server is to follow them without creating drama ... and I feel like the current solo camp rules are much closer to that than the group ones.

[Zenjai]

Try red? not enough people there to steal or 2box...

more than 90% of the players on red use phone tether box

[Shrubwise]

more than 90% of the players on red use phone tether box

This sounds like a very well-researched and fact-based claim!

[Phenyo]

Or perhaps to prevent the hypothetical of a wizard AFKing at a giant fort for 30 minutes and coming back to find 2 other people moved in and started killing, and using the excuse of medding to explain why every single mob was left up for a lengthy period of time.

dunked, OP presented his case to the court of RnF and has been found wanting.

https://i.imgur.com/7dGofNf.gif

[sereal]

In a community as small as p99 not being nice is just doing yourself a disfavour, people got good memories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynxPshq8ERo

[Heebs13]

Actually you were soloing the two giants at the bottom of the ramp. We were logged out at the top of the ramp in the safe spot, when we logged in not a single mob was dead and we offered you to group. I'll post the logs.

[Thu Oct 26 14:21:58 2017] Zabs says, 'hellow'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:06 2017] Applesaws says, 'hi'
[Thu Oct 26 14:22:15 2017] Zabs says, 'wow thanks'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:44 2017] Zabs says, 'you guys really suck'
[Thu Oct 26 14:24:53 2017] You say, 'um, k'
[Thu Oct 26 14:25:21 2017] Applesaws says, '???'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:23 2017] Zabs says, 'i was here just cause i cant kill as fast as you doesnt give you the right bro'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:49 2017] Applesaws says, 'everything was up'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:52 2017] Applesaws says, 'outside too'
[Thu Oct 26 14:26:59 2017] Zabs says, 'i was medding '
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:05 2017] Applesaws says, 'we wouldnt care if you wanna solo outside mobs'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:19 2017] Applesaws says, 'since you are alone, seems fair to me'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:23 2017] Zabs says, 'fuck you asshole'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:34 2017] You say, 'right'
[Thu Oct 26 14:27:39 2017] You say, 'well, have a good day then, if you wanna group let us know'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:44 2017] Zabs says, 'Hail'
[Thu Oct 26 14:28:54 2017] Zabs says, 'have fun dickhead'
[Thu Oct 26 14:29:00 2017] You say, 'thanks'

We were also there BEFORE you, however you never came up the ramp to see that. We also offer players that pass by groups all the time.

I don't know why this is hard.

OP, if you're opening up conversations with people by insulting and cursing them, no one is going to want to work with you. Since you're a wizard, here is the number of spawns you need and can realistically handle:

4.

Next time, instead of immediately throwing a tantrum, try sending the other players a tell along the lines of

"Hey, just FYI, I have been camping this spot. I only need 4 mobs to quad though, so you guys can kill all the extras as long as you leave 4 mobs up for me, please."

Most players will respond to that with "oh, sure, no problem." And then you wouldn't need to come to R&F.

I don't know how you've gotten a wizard to high level without having to deal with people moving in on camps you're quadding, since the nature of quadding leaves multiple mobs at a camp up at a time. If I had a 5pp for every time I had someone roll up on SK gnolls with a level 45+ while I was quadding them at 30, I'd be able to afford a fungi. Your options are to work something out with those players or just deal with it and find other mobs, cause you can't claim entire outdoor camps to yourself - you get one mob you can claim, that's it.

Getting confrontational right from the start just ensures you're going to have to try to compete with them, and as a solo wizard that is a competition you are going to lose every time.