P99 Add-Ons

[d3r14k]

Good morning!

Preface: I use "add-ons" for lack of a better term. Also, apologies if this isn't in the right section. I'm a forum noob.

Just joined P99 and I'm planning on starting a character tomorrow and binging hard this weekend. I just discovered the existence of this server a few weeks ago after stumbling upon Kraddoc's absolutely hilarious videos. Played from 99-02ish and REALLY looking forward to joining this community I've been watching some YouTube content and notice that some people are using different add-ons.

I know anything that interacts with the client is strictly prohibited. I'm not asking for anything of that nature. What are some P99 LEGAL add-ons that I should look into after starting this weekend? I've heard of GINA. What about texture packs? Is that a thing? Some YouTube vids seem to have higher texture quality. What about UI mods? I've googled a few of these but without much knowledge about P99 in general I figured I'd reach out here to some people with more experience. What are the pros using for raids? I know this is a long ways out for me, but I'd still like to compile everything while I'm new and get used to one thing rather than changing it halfway through.

Thanks for any feedback regarding this! Again, looking forward to playing with you guys this weekend and onward.

[MappaEQ]

GINA only reads the log file and is incredibly helpful. Helps with setting spawn timers, notifying you when your spells/debuffs wear off mobs, when buffs wear off or are dispelled, etc. Also helpful for some raid encounters.

GamParse parses the log files and attempts to show DPS live (and/or for historic fights) and breaks up your log file in a more easily readable fashion as it separates out fights, tells, auction, etc, in specific sections/tabs in the application. There are other parsers (Yaulp comes to mind?) that you can find if you're resourceful, but GamParse is the most commonly used, I think.

There are also map applications which only read the log file (p99 compliant) and plot a point on an map image when you /loc in game, example here: http://mappa.000webhostapp.com These apps are good for people who are directionally challenged (/raises hand)

I never got much into the textures and similar but there are also custom UIs that you can check out (I prefer the stock UI, personally).

[Sorn]

EQClassicHD (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280545) - some of us nerds decided to upscale and touch up character textures! We've also got transparency fixes, epic weapon particle fixes, and animation fixes.

Zaela's iksar animation fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2249180&postcount=16)

Zaela's wolf form run speed animation fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2248499&postcount=8)

+ custom UIs!

qqui (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232071), Cucumbers' Velious era p99 UI
DizUI (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189750), modded DuxaUI
This old optimized p99 UI (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2565674&postcount=33)

[Sirken]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.

That said, different UIs are available, as are texture upgrade packs, here on this forum. And anything that only reads the log file should be ok. <3

[Akg49]

GINA is also bomb for people who can only play intermittently due to work or other responsibilities.You can alert you if someone talks to you, if you are attacked, when the mob pops, timers on your buffs/abilities, timers on your dots/debuffs. My GINA is so developed I could probably play p99 if I went blind.

I don't play at work (I work in construction) but I do play while reading and writing papers for online classes I am taking in my off hours. Kill a static mob every 10 mins, gives you a mini break.

Play your way, have fun.

[d3r14k]

These are some great answers. Thank you all. Installing Titanium now. Hopefully I don't have any issues with setup but if all goes well I should be chumming up with all you lot here in a couple hours.

I'll check out some of the suggestions in the meantime. Thanks again!

[XeroKill]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.


GINA is for players that demand precision and use every tool at their disposal to up their game. Sounds like some one needs to git gud. Anyone that blames GINA for a failure is definitely a scrub because GINA can only do what the user programs it to do, and thus it failing to do X,Y or Z is still their fault. Good players don't blame GINA because good players know how to use it to augment their gameplay, not use it as a crutch, and when it fails them, they know it was their mistake and work to correct the issue or deal with the limitations.

Nice broad brush though... "A+", as you like to say. Certainly what one would expect from a GM.

[Triiz]

GINA is for players that demand precision and use every tool at their disposal to up their game. Sounds like some one needs to git gud. Anyone that blames GINA for a failure is definitely a scrub because GINA can only do what the user programs it to do, and thus it failing to do X,Y or Z is still their fault. Good players don't blame GINA because good players know how to use it to augment their gameplay, not use it as a crutch, and when it fails them, they know it was their mistake and work to correct the issue or deal with the limitations.

Nice broad brush though... "A+", as you like to say. Certainly what one would expect from a GM.

Nope. Sirken is right, it's for lazy gaming. The only thing GINA does is keep track of information the game has already provided you, how can anyone argue that's not being lazy?

Personally, I'll keep using GINA but I wont kid myself that the only reason I use it is because it allows me to be less attentive playing EQ a.k.a. lazy. I've never heard anyone blame their shitty game play on GINA but until now I also never heard anyone say they use it to "up their game".

[khanable]

naw, GINA lets you do some pretty dope shit

fav use case was monitoring incoming complete heals - I had an 'oh fuck' button that would target self and use the inventory slot holding my reaper. Saved my ass plenty of times when the next CH was a second or two off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hc23Ueg-bc&feature=youtu.be

[Lhancelot]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.

That said, different UIs are available, as are texture upgrade packs, here on this forum. And anything that only reads the log file should be ok. <3

I despise addons, and that's one thing I like about p99, which is the lack of addons needed to play it well. With WOW, It came down to who had the best addons, not who had the best timing or skill. I find addons to be clutter on my UI. I like the least amount of immersion breaking crap on my games as possible. Dings, bells, alerts etc., it's just distractions from the game, in my mind anyway.

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah, I'm definitely a GINA stan. Taken to its extreme it can force you to think more creatively, and depending on your RegEx knowledge will let you do some really neat and convenient things. I programmed a set of triggers which display my tracking target and places an arrow on the screen pointing in its direction, for example. And a set of triggers which display a con-color box next to my target window whenever I use my /consider hotkey, which makes it so much easier to tell when something is light blue vs green.

I think the best case you make for GINA is the really arbitrary organization of text channels in the Titanium UI, in which "Other" seems to encompass a ton of completely unrelated categories which you mostly don't want lumped together in one chat window. GINA allows you to more or less design your own ancillary UI and streamline more important information into separate areas of the screen. It lets me know if hide or sneak failed through an audio cue, which has saved me countless times. It lets me know when the mob has been tashed, or slowed, or snared, or rooted, etc. I think you need to be a bit of a code geek to use it to its full capacity, but setting up really simple things like buff timers, or refresh timers, or spawn timers, or various alerts should be easy enough for the average lay user.

[Akg49]

I agree, pure vanilla immersion is the best. I turn it off when I have an open slot of time, but that is kinda rare. It really helps the casual players participate in the p99 world. I probably would have quit p99 a long time ago if I didn't have a way to progress my toon intermittently, casually, in the little bits of time I can put in. It is a big help.

[Akg49]

And a set of triggers which display a con-color box next to my target window whenever I use my /consider hotkey, which makes it so much easier to tell when something is light blue vs green.

That is awesome. Able to share your setup for that? That sounds great.

It is amazing what you can do with Regex. I am just starting to dabble. I was super happy just getting my rogue's backstab to appear on the screen above his head, so I could watch those nice big numbers more easily.

My search text for that is "you backstab (?<mob>.+) for \b([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9])\b" and I display ${1} in an overlay. Just figuring out the number range and applying it was so much fun.

[Daloon]

Gina is a game-changer. Simple as that:

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.


It's not lazy knowing, as a cleric for example, the exact second the tanks Defensive Disc is about to fall off. Or as an enchanter I will know the exact second certain buffs are fading on others.. I can even make it scream at me when charm breaks. It'll tell me if my rogues evade was a failure or a success without me having to read chat spam every few seconds. It'll tell me when Dragon Roar is going to go off by the dragon by the precise second via a 36 second countdown timer triggered from the previous AOE. It'll tell me via audio when I have received a tell. I can even make Gina read Cleric CH rotations to keep me aware on long raids. Those are just some examples. It has personally made me a much better player.

I personally believe Gina gives the player a significant advantage, despite it only reading chat logs, it does more than that: It displays timers on your screen that the average player would be unaware of. I can even time Divine Aura as a cleric to be invulnerable to the next Dragon Roar since I know the exact second it's going to go off. These are just some examples of how it helps you raid better. Is it needed? No, I've played without it. but has it saved my life or others' lives dozens of times? Without a doubt in my mind it has. So feel free to prove, given just those examples, how it is for the lazy...lol.

[Triiz]

I can even make it scream at me when charm breaks.

This a great example of how it is for lazy gaming. I also have an audio trigger for charm breaks on my Enchanter. You know how Enchanter's that don't use GINA know when charm breaks? They don't look away from the screen.

It'll tell me if my rogues evade was a failure or a success without me having to read chat spam every few seconds.

Yeah not lazy at all to have a program read for you.



My search text for that is "you backstab (?<mob>.+) for \b([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9])\b" and I display ${1} in an overlay. Just figuring out the number range and applying it was so much fun.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you can accomplish the same thing with "You backstab {S1} for {N}."

then putting {N} in the display text box would show how much you BS'd for in an overlay.

[paulgiamatti]

And a set of triggers which display a con-color box next to my target window whenever I use my /consider hotkey, which makes it so much easier to tell when something is light blue vs green.

That is awesome. Able to share your setup for that? That sounds great.

I made a thread in Tech Discussion detailing how to set it up sometime last year, but it didn't account for the different /con messages you get at different level ranges. So I need to make a new post to include those, but if you want to set it up for level 49-60 characters only, here's that post: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251623

And here's an updated link for the Con Colors GINA package: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s9o58e0lnc8h2wp/Con%20Colors.gtp?dl=0

My search text for that is "you backstab (?<mob>.+) for \b([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9])\b" and I display ${1} in an overlay. Just figuring out the number range and applying it was so much fun.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but wouldn't you be able to simplify this with GINA's built-in tokens? For example, search text: "You backstab {S} for {N} points of damage." Display text: "{N}"

[paulgiamatti]

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you can accomplish the same thing with "You backstab {S1} for {N}."

then putting {N} in the display text box would show how much you BS'd for in an overlay.

Beat me to it.

[Akg49]

I actually have a custom one that displays a range that is like max BS to a couple hundred below my current max backstab. I'm mostly just interested in big hits, but I put the full range of 1-1000 in that just because. You can use the custom ranges for all kinds of things though.

[Triiz]

I actually have a custom one that displays a range that is like max BS to a couple hundred below my current max backstab. I'm mostly just interested in big hits, but I put the full range of 1-1000 in that just because. You can use the custom ranges for all kinds of things though.

You can do this with {N} too.

If you only wanted to display backstabs higher than say 300 it would be "You backstab {S} for {N=>300} points of damage."

Future reference and for anyone else here's a link (http://eq.gimasoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23) to GINA shortcuts.

In my experience you can do 95% of things with just those listed tags, outside of the type of things like Paul is doing which is obviously a lot less simple.

[paulgiamatti]

In my experience you can do 95% of things with just those listed tags, outside of the type of things like Paul is doing which is obviously a lot less simple.

To the contrary, almost everything I've done in GINA is more less just simple string/integer matching using {S} and {N}, with the more complicated stuff utilizing GINA's UI controls in fairly unorthodox ways. The most complicated trigger I've configured is for receiving tells - I'm absolutely awful at noticing new tells so this was extremely helpful in conjunction with a simple audio alert. The RegEx code ensures the alert is only triggered when receiving a tell from a player, so it ignores tells from vendors unless the vendor doesn't have a surname:

Search text: ^(?<char>\w+)((?<!\s).)*tells you, '

Display text: new tell from ${char}, etc.

[Knowmercy]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.

That said, different UIs are available, as are texture upgrade packs, here on this forum. And anything that only reads the log file should be ok. <3

master your class and all the little eq nuances first them implement it later, otherwise gina can definitely be a detrimental crutch if you were to try and get it running hot off the bat/import a massive trigger package someone has been meticulously tailoring for a long time when your new. start small if at all, and build one yourself - simple things like someone hailing you or opening trade window when your tabbed out etc

gamepars is great, A+. i really like qqui, but the defaul/classic UIs have a special nostalgic charm to them

[branamil]

You’d have to be pretty out of touch with the game to not see how spawn timers, debuff timers, and buff timers could be useful.

[Triiz]

Search text: ^(?<char>\w+)((?<!\s).)*tells you, '

Display text: new tell from ${char}, etc.

Nice, that's one I could never figure out. Guessing I can just toss an {S1} on the end of those and it will show the tell text in the overlay?

Was using {S} tells you, '{S1}' and display text {S} - {S1} but it registers pet messages which is annoying as hell as an Enchanter. I'll have to try yours when I log in tomorrow.

[paulgiamatti]

Nice, that's one I could never figure out. Guessing I can just toss an {S1} on the end of those and it will show the tell text in the overlay?

Indeed.

Was using {S} tells you, '{S1}' and display text {S} - {S1} but it registers pet messages which is annoying as hell as an Enchanter. I'll have to try yours when I log in tomorrow.

My RegEx will only work for charmed pets that have a name consisting of more than a single word. So if you summon a pet, or charm Froon, for example, it will still register tell alerts from them, unfortunately.

[dbouya]

naw, GINA lets you do some pretty dope shit

fav use case was monitoring incoming complete heals - I had an 'oh fuck' button that would target self and use the inventory slot holding my reaper. Saved my ass plenty of times when the next CH was a second or two off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hc23Ueg-bc&feature=youtu.be

how did gina help here? you noticed you didn't get CH'd so you used the reaper (which part of that was actually gina and not just you being good)? did gina play a sound? it was kind of impossible to tell with the music....

It was pretty impressive, but again, it seems more like you were just good. Maybe I'm misunderstanding all that gina can do though? I guess it can read the log for when a cleric CLAIMS to be healing or when a cleric starts casting a spell and then play a noise when you don't actually get healed on time? was gina playing the soundbyte "oh $!# reaper"? Or was that you saying it? it's hard to tell because... if you recorded your own voice for gina to playback to you, from my perspective I can't tell if that was you talking live, or gina playing your voice for you?

[Freakish]

He set it up so each time a CH message was sent a 10 second timer would count down. On his screen it would look like this

Cleric1 CH 10s left
Cleric2 CH 9s left
Cleric3 CH 8s left
Cleric4 CH 4s left
Cleric5 CH 3s left
Cleric6 CH 2s left
Then during that huge gap between clerics 3 and 4 he would pull out his reaper of the dead, target himself and if he saw a spike of damage he would use the reaper.

[Lhancelot]

You’d have to be pretty out of touch with the game to not see how spawn timers, debuff timers, and buff timers could be useful.

Personally I don't doubt the effectiveness of addons I just find them detracting from my immersion on a game so choose to not use them in most cases.

There's lots of different opinions and perspectives regarding addons, and the worst imo are the nerds who think you HAVE to use addons to be good.

Addons are not a necessary facet to most games, helpful but not a requirement. P99 definitely does not need to be played with addons.

[drdrakes]

EQClassicHD (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280545) - some of us nerds decided to upscale and touch up character textures! We've also got transparency fixes, epic weapon particle fixes, and animation fixes.

Zaela's iksar animation fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2249180&postcount=16)

Zaela's wolf form run speed animation fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2248499&postcount=8)

+ custom UIs!

qqui (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232071), Cucumbers' Velious era p99 UI
DizUI (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189750), modded DuxaUI
This old optimized p99 UI (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2565674&postcount=33)

Will the Iksar animation fix improve my Iksar Necro experience, everything about how my Iksar moves bugs me? Any tips on setting it up?

[Sorn]

Will the Iksar animation fix improve my Iksar Necro experience, everything about how my Iksar moves bugs me? Any tips on setting it up?

It's mostly the 2hs animation. More info in the post itself. You basically download the tool, run it, and follow the directions.

[paulgiamatti]

Will the Iksar animation fix improve my Iksar Necro experience, everything about how my Iksar moves bugs me? Any tips on setting it up?

These fixes are included in the EQClassicHD texture package, just to clarify. So if you've installed that you already have Zaela's animation & particle fixes. If you don't want to install EQClassicHD, here's a post I made that includes all Zaela fixes in one zip: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2491223&postcount=21

[Pretzel]

Screw Gina you lazy people... Medicine is for the weak, electricity is for the lazy people who don't want to light a fire. Put a jacket on if youre cold, you dont need a heater. Grow your own food you lazy fat people. No Gina ever!!

[fastboy21]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.

That said, different UIs are available, as are texture upgrade packs, here on this forum. And anything that only reads the log file should be ok. <3

whats so bad about GINA? i'm pretty sure i've met some good players who use it.

[tristantio]

Auction logger (see auctions from in game outside of game):

http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/

Log parsing map graph (works well with an OS that can pin windows to top / do transparent overlays):

https://github.com/ahungry/ahungry-map


Automatic patch system + web based map graph:

https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher


Login screen fix for GNU/Linux clients in EQ:

https://github.com/Zaela/p99-login-middlemand

[Daldaen]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it. First time I heard a guildie blame their fuck up on Gina, I'd guild remove them for being bad.

That said, different UIs are available, as are texture upgrade packs, here on this forum. And anything that only reads the log file should be ok. <3

GINA is exceptionally useful when boxing. Being able to know when characters buffs will end, if your charm broke on your Enchanter in the background, Divine Intervention trigger on your tank when you're tabbed to your DPS, exact timers on your Mez/Slows, refresh timers for long spells like DA/ToT/DI, and any event based triggers necessary... countdown timers for each wave in Ring 10 for example (granted P99 has the unclassic variant with NPC shouts).

Very amazing tool when you're trying to stretch your EQ abilities by playing multiple characters.

[Erati]

thankfully I dont need to use Gina as much as this guy ^

He would crumble without it

[Check12345]

GINA, its how ya do the EC tunnel when at work. :D

Bedlam took like a week, some stuff just isn't selling that much these days.

[Daldaen]

thankfully I dont need to use Gina as much as this guy ^

He would crumble without it

I even used GamTextTriggers back before GINA was made.

But on P99 you really don't need GINA. I guess if you absolutely must know your Buff timers, or you could just look at the Buff duration... oh wait, lol.

[d3r14k]

^^ *walks away sadly*

[Sirken]

Gina is a game-changer. Simple as that:
It's not lazy knowing, as a cleric for example, the exact second the tanks Defensive Disc is about to fall off. Or as an enchanter I will know the exact second certain buffs are fading on others.. I can even make it scream at me when charm breaks. It'll tell me if my rogues evade was a failure or a success without me having to read chat spam every few seconds. It'll tell me when Dragon Roar is going to go off by the dragon by the precise second via a 36 second countdown timer triggered from the previous AOE. It'll tell me via audio when I have received a tell. I can even make Gina read Cleric CH rotations to keep me aware on long raids. Those are just some examples. It has personally made me a much better player.
or, you could just pay attention /gasp. Triiz''s reply was pretty spot on, just gonna add this; my previously post applies doublely so for clerics. i wouldn't want a cleric that isnt paying attention, or is unable to count to 2 or 4 on their own.

whats so bad about GINA? i'm pretty sure i've met some good players who use it.
I'm pretty sure you haven't ;)

GINA is exceptionally useful when boxing.
thats about as far as i got with your post.

[Daldaen]

I've met some good players who use GINA and some who don't.

Generally the players who can figure out how to make their own triggers are the better ones. Basically due to the fact that researching and understanding the mechanics/content of the game is one of the best things you can do to improve your play. If you didn't know Divine Intervention was a 90s recast or DA was a 15min or Harmshield was a 10min, creating a GINA trigger will inform you of this when you look it up. Same deal with looking up Yelinak AE and figuring out it's a 2min timer and you can do some simple math and figure out how many CHs or Kicks or Nukes that is before you need to duck out.

That being said, yea GINA is mostly for operating multiple toons at once as well or better than solo players. That's why it has the built in {C} placeholder so your triggers to alert you to which character had a trigger fire. This is even relevant for playing Red and Blue simultaneously! But we all know no one does this since Red is dead and has a player:zone ratio less than one.

[Rygar]

Way I see it, these Add-Ons like Gina or whatever else people are talking about just take me away from Classic EQ.

I don't care to argue if they make players better or worse, they just take away my nostalgia and the purpose of P99. To me the point of the project is to appreciate a game how it was back in the day, not to enjoy the game with extremely modified UIs that let you more easily interpret information.

I used 1 chat box back in the day on Live, that's the way we liked it. I was a melee too with full battle spam going on, no stupid voice chat or anything, and relaying raid instructions via /shout or /gu.

Yea it was stressful at times and I missed some key things, but that was part of the craziness of EQ. This Gina makes it seem more like WoW.

[Daldaen]

Way I see it, these Add-Ons like Gina or whatever else people are talking about just take me away from Classic EQ.

I don't care to argue if they make players better or worse, they just take away my nostalgia and the purpose of P99. To me the point of the project is to appreciate a game how it was back in the day, not to enjoy the game with extremely modified UIs that let you more easily interpret information.

I used 1 chat box back in the day on Live, that's the way we liked it. I was a melee too with full battle spam going on, no stupid voice chat or anything, and relaying raid instructions via /shout or /gu.

Yea it was stressful at times and I missed some key things, but that was part of the craziness of EQ. This Gina makes it seem more like WoW.
This is true also. We need some more bumps in the interface thread: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157229&highlight=Interface

Maybe some hero devs can do work. Or hint at us that the age of the Titanium client is coming to an end and the Trilogy or PoP era client is coming in, fixing all these issues.

[Shrubwise]

This Gina woman sounds like she gets around

[fastboy21]

This Gina woman sounds like she gets around

Oh yeahhhhhh...you know what I mean ladies, amiright?

[Csihar]

What about Luclin char add-ons? Are they not allowed? I've heard whispers of them but if they're not allowed I won't track down this mythical creature. I'd switch back and forth before they were patched out. Change of scenery type of deal.

Sirken?

[UnheardWar]

I mean, I know it's not classic, but I do miss being able to right click on a spell gem and getting a categorized list of my spells. But that eliminated the need to organize your spell book, which as you know is great fun too.

[fastboy21]

What about Luclin char add-ons? Are they not allowed? I've heard whispers of them but if they're not allowed I won't track down this mythical creature. I'd switch back and forth before they were patched out. Change of scenery type of deal.

Sirken?

What luclin add on are you talking about?

If you mean a UI that was built after the release of Luclin it is not necessarily against the rules. In fact, it wouldn't be unless it was somehow displaying information or allowing you to interact with the game in a way that wasn't possible with the Velious UI.

[Lhancelot]

Way I see it, these Add-Ons like Gina or whatever else people are talking about just take me away from Classic EQ.

I don't care to argue if they make players better or worse, they just take away my nostalgia and the purpose of P99. To me the point of the project is to appreciate a game how it was back in the day, not to enjoy the game with extremely modified UIs that let you more easily interpret information.

I used 1 chat box back in the day on Live, that's the way we liked it. I was a melee too with full battle spam going on, no stupid voice chat or anything, and relaying raid instructions via /shout or /gu.

Yea it was stressful at times and I missed some key things, but that was part of the craziness of EQ. This Gina makes it seem more like WoW.

I can't believe it, Rygar. We are like twins in this regard! We both like our EQ to be as classic as possible.

[shuklak]

If you don't like Gina its okay to say you don't want to ruin your immersion. But implying tracking buffs somehow requires skill is cute. Do these people also insist on not using tv remotes and getting up to change the channel?

[Csihar]

What luclin add on are you talking about?

If you mean a UI that was built after the release of Luclin it is not necessarily against the rules. In fact, it wouldn't be unless it was somehow displaying information or allowing you to interact with the game in a way that wasn't possible with the Velious UI.

Luclin models, sorry. They were removed for a reason but I thought it had to do with PvP. So wondering if it's allowed on Blue server

[Sacer]

Oh yeah Gina is a sweet girl, when I first installed it I just wanted to get back the buff timers list most people, but I quickly discovered where it's reallly a game changer : EC tunnel.

Call me lazy if you want but reading auctions for hours to find what I need is REALLY NOT FUN.

[maskedmelon]

Oh yeah Gina is a sweet girl, when I first installed it I just wanted to get back the buff timers list most people, but I quickly discovered where it's reallly a game changer : EC tunnel.

Call me lazy if you want but reading auctions for hours to find what I need is REALLY NOT FUN.

what's it do? liek make a sound when someone auctions what you want so you can just park your mule in EC while you adventure?

[Just facts]

what's it do? liek make a sound when someone auctions what you want so you can just park your mule in EC while you adventure?

It's a trap don't reply to this ;)

[Gwynn]

Are there any add-ons that work with Mac? For those of us that are running EQ using Wine or a Wine variant, are there any addons that analyze the log that work for the Mac?

[Sacer]

what's it do? liek make a sound when someone auctions what you want so you can just park your mule in EC while you adventure?

Honestly I always been curious about that, what do you risk if you get an ip exemption and sit a mule in the tunnel 24/7 afk. Do people get banned for that? I doubt it but no I don't have one I just respect the rules here.

I just park in the tunnel when I am not playing, and even if I am not there when the guy is auctionning I can try to catch him later. Not ideal but it beats spending my playtime reading auctions in a 18 years old game.

[loramin]

Honestly I always been curious about that, what do you risk if you get an ip exemption and sit a mule in the tunnel 24/7 afk. Do people get banned for that? I doubt it but no I don't have one I just respect the rules here.

I just park in the tunnel when I am not playing, and even if I am not there when the guy is auctionning I can try to catch him later. Not ideal but it beats spending my playtime reading auctions in a 18 years old game.

Two things. First off, if you're a fan of the "catch him later" approach to shopping I recommend using the ahungry and wiki auction trackers. Both will let you see who has /auctioned "WTS ____" recently, and then you can /tell that person at your convenience. It only works for times that people submitted logs for, but still that likely covers plenty of time when you're not sitting in EC.

Second, there are two ways to 2-box an EC mule. The illicit way, as you mentioned, is to get an IP exemption and then abuse it. If you don't want to get banned though there is a legitimate way to play on Project 1999 while simultaneously sitting AFK in EC, and that's to play the second account on Red.

[deezy]

Gina is for bad and/or lazy players that want to forever remain bad and/or lazy. Good players don't use it, nor do they need it.

I'm super bad at this game for using it to keep track of buffs and other bullshit. feelsbadman.

[Freakish]

what's it do? liek make a sound when someone auctions what you want so you can just park your mule in EC while you adventure?

You sit in ec with whatever character you want. Have logs on so Gina can read them. Then you set an audio trigger for say, fungus covered scale tunic. Each time fungus covered scale tunic shows up Gina will make a noise. So you watch a movie or go play RnF or whatever and don't even look at ec until your audio trigger goes off.

[Lhancelot]

I'm super bad at this game for using it to keep track of buffs and other bullshit. feelsbadman.

Sirken has a good point though. Honestly, do you really need a program that keeps track of an 18 year old games buffs/dots? I mean, is it really that complicated?

I think we have become so reliant on apps and having glitchy constant beeps and shit IRL now that even the ancient unsullied wondrous game we know as Everquest needs to have additional outside stimulation for some people.

I agree. Feelsbadman. :(

[Shrubwise]

Sirken has a good point though. Honestly, do you really need a program that keeps track of an 18 year old games buffs/dots? I mean, is it really that complicated?

I think we have become so reliant on apps and having glitchy constant beeps and shit IRL now that even the ancient unsullied wondrous game we know as Everquest needs to have additional outside stimulation for some people.

I agree. Feelsbadman. :(

Every time someone cites the age of the game as if it is relevant is really cringey :rolleyes:

[fadetree]

Sirken has a good point though. Honestly, do you really need a program that keeps track of an 18 year old games buffs/dots? I mean, is it really that complicated?

I think we have become so reliant on apps and having glitchy constant beeps and shit IRL now that even the ancient unsullied wondrous game we know as Everquest needs to have additional outside stimulation for some people.

I agree. Feelsbadman. :(

These kids nowadays. Get OFF my goddamn LAWN.

[deezy]

I mean, is it really that complicated?

yes, i'm easily confused.

[Lhancelot]

Every time someone cites the age of the game as if it is relevant is really cringey :rolleyes:

I mentioned the age of the game because it's relevant to the comment I made and not for the sake of elf forumquest novelty. Sorry if that went over your head, nerd. Cringe on that. :p

[Kaino]

the dream is for classic UI, lets be honest here

https://i.imgur.com/G6u3SEO.jpg

[Rygar]

the dream is for classic UI, lets be honest here

https://i.imgur.com/G6u3SEO.jpg

Goddammit I'm chubbin' over here. That would make P99 complete for sure.

[XeroKill]

Sirken has a good point though. Honestly, do you really need a program that keeps track of an 18 year old games buffs/dots? I mean, is it really that complicated?

I think we have become so reliant on apps and having glitchy constant beeps and shit IRL now that even the ancient unsullied wondrous game we know as Everquest needs to have additional outside stimulation for some people.

I agree. Feelsbadman. :(

So many Luddites on this server. (I will give you troglodytes a second to Google Luddite (and troglodyte.)) There are two kinds of players. The good and the bad. You can be good, and use external sources to augment your gameplay. Just like you can be a shitshow and use the same program to no avail. A good player isn't determined by the tools at their disposal, but rather how well they implement said tools, be they purely classic or external assistance. If you are a bad player, using GINA will not make you good. If you are a good player, refusing to use GINA won't make you bad.

[deezy]

the dream is for classic UI, lets be honest here

https://i.imgur.com/G6u3SEO.jpg

velious ui or bust

[Llandris]

the dream is for classic UI, lets be honest here

https://i.imgur.com/G6u3SEO.jpg

Paging Haynar

[Lhancelot]

So many Luddites on this server. (I will give you troglodytes a second to Google Luddite (and troglodyte.)) There are two kinds of players. The good and the bad. You can be good, and use external sources to augment your gameplay. Just like you can be a shitshow and use the same program to no avail. A good player isn't determined by the tools at their disposal, but rather how well they implement said tools, be they purely classic or external assistance. If you are a bad player, using GINA will not make you good. If you are a good player, refusing to use GINA won't make you bad.

I never said GINA makes people good or bad players, if that's how it sounded I didn't mean it that way. I honestly feel like we are overstimulated now with technology. If our eyes aren't seeing blips and shinies everywhere, we are bored.

I think many use apps for games to improve their gameplay, but I also think there is a subconscious facet to the draw of adding as many external sources to our games, that being the addition of more stimulation.

I agree with GINA not making you a good player and vice versa too, good players are good due to practice and ability to learn a game, not because they add some app to the game. I seen many awful PVPers who used voice on other games thinking that it would make them unstoppable, while I was in PVP groups not using voice and we did great because we all played our classes well and knew the game well. Voice would have made some things easier, but it was not needed for us to be successful.

[Lhancelot]

Paging Haynar

This should happen. ^

[Found]

Paging Haynar

Ok off topic .. but that gif is hilarious :p

[XeroKill]

I never said GINA makes people good or bad players, if that's how it sounded I didn't mean it that way. I honestly feel like we are overstimulated now with technology. If our eyes aren't seeing blips and shinies everywhere, we are bored.

I think many use apps for games to improve their gameplay, but I also think there is a subconscious facet to the draw of adding as many external sources to our games, that being the addition of more stimulation.

I agree with GINA not making you a good player and vice versa too, good players are good due to practice and ability to learn a game, not because they add some app to the game. I seen many awful PVPers who used voice on other games thinking that it would make them unstoppable, while I was in PVP groups not using voice and we did great because we all played our classes well and knew the game well. Voice would have made some things easier, but it was not needed for us to be successful.

Fair enough. Your post was taken in context with everyone else in the thread, so from my point of view it was just another post on the GINA-hating dogpile. At least your argument is based on a reasoned conjecture and not just emotional appeals and vague anecdotes. None of that "I knew a guy that sucked and he used GINA, ergo GINA users all suck" which provides no specifics, and fails to realize that you have probably played with countless quality players that you never knew were using GINA, because it isn't something people bandy about as a topic of random conversation. It also screams of confirmation bias, because we tend to notice the hits and not the misses. Even if a person were aware of another that is using GINA and that person performed their role to perfection, it would not register nearly the kind of lasting memory that a scrub who wiped your group would leave when they complain how their GINA timers were askew. This is what Sirken sounds like when he cries how he de-guilded a guy because he blamed GINA for a mistake. Sirken clearly has an existing bias towards anything "unpure" in EQ *cough*FTE Messages & GM Enforced Timeouts*cough*, and the second he knew this heretic was using something "unclean"... well he knew all he needed to know to warrant the gathering of sticks. Burn that witch! And burn him good!

As to your actual argument itself, I feel like we are just becoming the old folks because we assume that our gravitation towards a hyper-stimulated mind is inherently a bad thing. The truth is, we don't know what the end result will be. We just know it isn't what we are and it is something we cannot become. It could very well be the first steps towards a humanity that is vastly more capable of multi-tiered thinking that are able to handle simultaneous streams of complex information by intuition. We might just be the relics of a bygone era that cannot cope with the torrent of information. The neanderthals that decry the sapiens use of bone and rock, when hands have always been good enough for Zog! I know, I watch some people play modern day WOW and I cannot even begin to digest everything that is happening on screen. However, GINA is hardly to this level of sensory overload unless you spend a ton of time manually crafting exquisite timers, in which case you will know what everything is because you specifically put it there to perform a very specific function you felt the game was lacking.

In summary, we have entered the Information Age, and a persons inability or unwillingness to adapt will result in their inevitable extinction. In this context, it means being exiled to a game that is so stripped of stimulation because playing a modern day MMO is too complex for our neanderthal brains to cope with. I see that clearly by a lot of the posts in this thread. Can't handle a complex DPS rotation and a million timers blinking and blaring at you all at once? Well we have the perfect game for you! If you deign to sully this experience with even the slightest bit of additional stimuli, we will burn you at the stake as a heretic!

Welcome to P99...

TL;DR - If three paragraphs is too much to read, then I pronounce thee Zog.