Two Accounts One IP

[Klaus Odinson]

According to Project 1999's server rules, two accounts cannot be run simultaneously under the same IP. However, I have read conflicting stories regarding this. Therefore, I would like to know if two accounts under the same IP are permitted or not? If not, is there a way to get an exemption, so that two people under the same roof can play on the server together? If there is, how does one go about applying for said exemption? Thanks.

[tiadashi]

You have to petition for exemption and then wait for confirmation - there's a petition section further down

[Bellringer]

P99 welcomes friend/family under the same roof to play on the server. In order to maintain integrity of the server (I️.e. preventing “two boxing”) a petition must be submitted on the petition forum requesting an IP excemption. There is certain information required to be included in the petition so make sure you read all stickied threads in the petition forum.

Once you have made the petition with ALL required information, simply wait until your request has been approved. Our server runs on volunteer staff so it can sometimes take a while. Be patient. It normally takes from 2-6 weeks.

Most importantly, do not abuse the exemption. When (not if) you are caught, your account is gone and you would have to start over if you wish to continue being part of our community.

Good luck and have fun. :)

[Lhancelot]

Don't box or you will have a bad time, I know you want too (who doesn't want to port themselves on their pocket druid?) but just don't do it because you will end up getting banned.

People will tell on you. You will get caught. Do not 2-box. Bans happen all the time regarding boxing.

[Cylock]

Welcome to p99! For nearly a year now I have done IP exempts every 2 weeks (roughly). Submit a forum petition and I will review it.

[plasma1010]

Don't box or you will have a bad time, .

What is boxing ?

[Stormfists]

You can have as many accounts as to wish, but you can only play one at a time without an IP exemption.

[trite]

What is boxing ?

One person playing multiple accounts. "Multi-Boxing" ...most people did this by using multiple computers (boxes) back in the day. That is where the name comes from

[Darkatar]

Most importantly, do not abuse the exemption. When (not if) you are caught, your account is gone and you would have to start over if you wish to continue being part of our community.

I've never seen a perm ban for multiboxing. You lose your exemption and maybe eat a ban for a couple weeks.

That being said, wish they did perm ban over boxing.

Edit: Guess I've only known about people losing their exemption, I'm not sure what the max punishment is for boxing w/o exemption.

[plasma1010]

One person playing multiple accounts. "Multi-Boxing" ...most people did this by using multiple computers (boxes) back in the day. That is where the name comes from

How does it contribute negatively to EQ ? I mean other then I guess it being deemed "unfair" for porting yourself and stuff like people said. Is there any technical aspects that cause the game to lag or bug or whatever ?

[tiadashi]

How does it contribute negatively to EQ ? I mean other then I guess it being deemed "unfair" for porting yourself and stuff like people said. Is there any technical aspects that cause the game to lag or bug or whatever ?

The idea is people become less social (grouping) if they can just group with themselves - among other more unsavory scenarios

[plasma1010]

The idea is people become less social (grouping) if they can just group with themselves - among other more unsavory scenarios

Like you could become any less social as a player of the game EverQuest

[Nagoya]

Everquest (at least 'classic' everquest) is one of the only MMOs with the need of socializing being a core mechanic of the game, with most classes needing other classes to play; bind affinity, port, rez, invis, merchant for you in a kos zone, etc. There is always a time where you need another player to help you. Allowing boxing makes that mechanic obsolete. Whether or not it is a bad thing is debatable, but P99 has chosen to be on the no-box side of the debate, and this has to be true for everyone. Many other servers allow boxing if that's what you're looking for.

[plasma1010]

Many other servers allow boxing if that's what you're looking for.

Nah bra just askin' and making jokes

[Nagoya]

that was a general 'you', and also not pejorative, i'm no witch hunters :p

[loramin]

I'd still be interested in the results of a 24 hour suspension of existing IP exemptions followed by a look at the EC population for that day.

I would imagine/hope that the staff does periodic 2-boxing checks when "one person" sits in EC while another "person" (from the same IP) adventures elsewhere. That can't be a very common scenario for legitimate IP exemptions ...

[Darkatar]

How does it contribute negatively to EQ ?

Before Velious was released, a single person locked down King Tranix (8hr respawn) for over a week for the only tradeable 20mr item in the game.

Ragefire (cle epic+COFs+more) is killable with 2-3 characters (or one person with a bunch of healing items). You can only spawn him once per lore pearl though.

Spore king (Fungi tunic) is killable with 3 characters. (or at least used to be...not sure nowadays)

Sir Lucan (paladin epic/Soulfire clicky CHx5 any class from inventory) is soloable by any class that can snare or root.

These are just a few examples. You can insert any plat camp into here for this example.

So, You have all these things that can be camped for plat.
Lets say you have someone who owns 13 level 60s across 13 accounts (account trading used to be legal, so 13 is not an outlandish figure imho)

He parks 2 on Lucan waiting for spawn,

4 at Ragefire waiting for spawn (or 3 at rage and 1 at tranix, since hell, you're there anyway)

actively farms spore king in the meantime with the other 6. (cus 6@king is easymode)

Ragefire pops, triggered with a pearl, can't lose unless you try with any 60 tank+CH+torpor [I've healed it as a druid with manastone+1tank+1dps in velious era and still had half mana left] (pearl is replaced later with box13 which has toons loaded with pearls bound at spawn point of rage). Corpse or port w/box13 any lore items beyond what you can hold/use.

Tranix pops, is pulled up to rage room, he's a soloable kill and is nothing for the 4. corpse or port w/box13 any lore items beyond what you can hold/use.

Lucan pops, can be killed practically AFK with a shaman+tank. Corpse or port w/box13 any lore items beyond what you can hold/use. (paladin tank rez ftw)

Fungi king farm in the meantime.

hell, stick box13 on Hadden and lock down fishbones while you're at it.

That's my view on the "negative contribution"

Granted, this is a "blue" perspective, if you play red...well good luck handling those 10 necro lifetap bombs porting your way. (While you're chain bardmezzed)

If you don't think anyone here is willing or capable of doing what I just outlined above...I envy your naïveté.

[plasma1010]

that was a general 'you', and also not pejorative, i'm no witch hunters :p

I just found it funny, after wondering about what boxing could be and how it affected EQ, that it is banned "to keep people social".

I understand the above though ^^^^

[dbouya]

boxing is also just not classic because it wasn't possible to run two copies of everquest on the same computer. nowadays you can "multi-box" a full group of 6 on a single computer. Back in the day if you didn't monitor a school computer lab you weren't going to be doing that. Some people did play everquest on two seperate computers in the 1999-2001 era but is was very rare.
now in 2017 it's extremely easy to automate and run several copies of everquest at the same time. part of what made classic everquest great was the "social" factor this enforced and how the game was designed around teamwork.
If multi-boxing was classic somehow I doubt it would've been outlawed here, but it really wasn't classic.

[Lhancelot]

I'd still be interested in the results of a 24 hour suspension of existing IP exemptions followed by a look at the EC population for that day.

They don't bother doing this because only you have this obsession in thinking all mules in EC are 2-boxed. The premise is dumb and false.

I am sure there is someone that does this, but the chances of it are just as likely as someone 2-boxing for buffs or any other activity on p99.

[Jhaerik]

Ehh I was running 4 pc's by 2001 anyway so.. lol.

If anything the lack of boxing is what makes this server less classic. I honestly wish someone would rip off p99's code and release it publicly. I'd love to see an exactly copy that allowed boxing, I might still play if that existed. I just have too much going on in my life to wait around with thumb up my ass LFGroup/LFPort/LFCleric/LF whatever for hours. No boxing actually just ends up making the game rather boring at times, and forces you to waste time afk waiting on stuff to do. I mean hell the only reason to level a druid is to PL 1-40 and port. Generally just ended up pl'ing afk friends then we'd swap and they'd pl me in return while I went out. Lack of boxing if anything makes the game less social, not more so. If we could actually play together with an out of group alt buffing, or log a cleric alt, all my friends wouldn't have quit from boredom waiting on those 1 or 2 extra people to round out the group. Lack of boxing just means 1-50 is spent afk getting a PL. Only to hit 50+ and spend hours trying to fill 2-3 slots in Karnor's/Seb and generally getting sick of it without ever having really played.

The other truth is about 1/2 the player base are boxed characters anyway. The trick is simply to never play them at the same location. Hell as long as a caster is sitting it's pretty much assumed he is doing his job. Why do you think people take so long to respond to tells? Lol. No one is going to admit to it... but a hell of a lot of them run 2-4. I'm not just blowing smoke either, you'd be amazed how many people openly admit stuff in voice chat that won't on boards/in game due to banning fears.

[dbouya]

Yeah boxing STARTED gaining minor popularity in 2001, by 2002 a lot of people had buff or rez bots.

Getting away with boxing on p99 though is probably about as rare as having lots of computers was during real velious? At least to hear you tell it jhaerik. I think it's much rarer than that, although I did once see someone who was clearly afk practicing spells and/or buffing in response to /say
If you want to play with bots and boxes you can always play p2002 or live servers.

I do sort of miss MGB, if p2002 actually had a player base I might play on it. P99 is trying to be unique though, and everywhere else allows boxing, might as well be unique and not allow it here.

Your logic sounds reasonable, but historical evidence suggests that boxing now absolutely does harm socialness. I think the reason you don't think this to be true is that in 2001 boxing didn't harm socialness, because a) technical limitations and b) there weren't any other more popular MMORPGS competing for that attention.
Using a box for 1minute a day just to port/rez/buff in 2001 didn't harm social aspects that much. In 2017 though people setup complicated /tell triggers and mirror keystrokes and all sorts of stuff and actively play entire groups alone (very common on daybreak TLP servers). P99 rules on this matter might seem strict but, given well... how many people you seem to think are "getting away" with breaking that rule, they have to be strict to catch anyone at all!

[Lhancelot]

Yeah boxing STARTED gaining minor popularity in 2001, by 2002 a lot of people had buff or rez bots.

Getting away with boxing on p99 though is probably about as rare as having lots of computers was during real velious? At least to hear you tell it jhaerik. I think it's much rarer than that, although I did once see someone who was clearly afk practicing spells and/or buffing in response to /say
If you want to play with bots and boxes you can always play p2002 or live servers.

I do sort of miss MGB, if p2002 actually had a player base I might play on it. P99 is trying to be unique though, and everywhere else allows boxing, might as well be unique and not allow it here.

Your logic sounds reasonable, but historical evidence suggests that boxing now absolutely does harm socialness. I think the reason you don't think this to be true is that in 2001 boxing didn't harm socialness, because a) technical limitations and b) there weren't any other more popular MMORPGS competing for that attention.
Using a box for 1minute a day just to port/rez/buff in 2001 didn't harm social aspects that much. In 2017 though people setup complicated /tell triggers and mirror keystrokes and all sorts of stuff and actively play entire groups alone (very common on daybreak TLP servers). P99 rules on this matter might seem strict but, given well... how many people you seem to think are "getting away" with breaking that rule, they have to be strict to catch anyone at all!

I don't think it's common here at all. I have seen maybe 3 situations where I thought I might be seeing someone box over the coarse of 5 years off and on.

Most people come here to enjoy "classic" EQ and that usually includes avoiding boxing, and I honestly believe the staff is diligent in catching boxers.

[kseaq]

I am home for the holidays and trying to play with my brother, but I can't seem to make an IP exemption request. When I try to make a new thread in the Petition / Exploit section it does not appear and says I have made 0 threads. Am I doing something wrong or do I just have to wait? Thanks!

[Menden]

Kseaq, I merged your petitions, you had 4 of them :P They all were stuck in the filter.

[Veleria]

Just a side note, in velious I did 2 box on one computer and it was not a power rig. I am not arguing for a removal of the exemption, just saying it was totally possible and yes people will lock down spawns. I locked down Lodizal with a 60 war and a 50ish cleric for a couple weeks. While I would like to have a port/rez account I can understand the aversion to 2 boxing and can respect that. It would be too tempting not to abuse.

I just wanted to dispel the myth that 2 copies of EQ couldn't run on the same box. You just needed to have 2 separate folders for the game. I have never owned 2 computers simultaneously.

[Tanon]

Kseaq, I merged your petitions, you had 4 of them :P They all were stuck in the filter.

I'm not Kseaq, but did you guys do ip exemptions recently? I've had a petition up for a couple weeks.

No rush but just wanted to make sure I didn't miss this round. The wife is going to get pissed at me.

[McPuffin]

I'm not Kseaq, but did you guys do ip exemptions recently? I've had a petition up for a couple weeks.

No rush but just wanted to make sure I didn't miss this round. The wife is going to get pissed at me.

Also wondering about this... I put my petition in 15 days ago.

[start_thoughts]

Yeah, I'm hoping to get one as well. Me and my wife have to take turns playing but it would be really nice if we could play together.