Question for the transgender people on this forum

[Csihar]

I know there are a number of transgendered people on this forum and I was hoping to ask some questions (in PM). It's mostly about trying to make sense of some things. Nothing highly personal, sexual or weird. I've been thinking about the whole pronoun craze and some thoughts occured to me and I wanted some input of people who are a bit closer to it. It's mostly about the thought that so-called 'transgender' people are actually a combination of two wildly different groups instead of one group. I'd ask the one transgender person I know but... she dumb.

So if any of the transgendered people would be willing to shoot me a PM that would be lovely.

[Cecily]

Think I know what you're alluding to. Feel free to PM me.

[chadtwoke]

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

[hyejin]

anorexia is a "mental illness" too

[Cecily]

I really like how so many people throw that around and are like HA. Ok so... uh what's your point? It's straight up caveman thinking.

[Csihar]

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

Not even close to what I'm hoping to talk about. And also very much the reason why I wanted to PM instead of starting a discussion.

Thanks though :)

[katrik]

Feel free also.

[mickmoranis]

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

lol

[Nilstoniakrath]

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

My first reaction is to agree totally with the above. I mean, there are a handful of exceptions that can pass, but for the most part, trannies are just plain gross to most normal people, and the idea of mutilating your genitals, I can't even imagine why anyone would ever want to even risk that, no matter what is going on in your head.

But upon further thought, if someone is that desperate, I just feel sorry for them, and wish them all the best.

[Thugnuts]

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

KABOOOOOMMMM!!!

Shots fired, MF'ers. I hereby nominate chadtwoke for P99's Post of the Year Award!

[mickmoranis]

Question: are transgenders gay? or are they straight and just feel better in the opposite sex's clothing?

If it's the latter case I think we can all say that its fair for that white woman to identify as a black woman that libtards have been totally pissed off about for the last 2 years.

[Rader]

ckmoranis;2609970]Question: are transgenders[/SIZE] gay? or are they straight and just feel better in the opposite sex's clothing?

If it's the latter case I think we can all say that its fair for that white woman to identify as a black woman that libtards have been totally pissed off about for the last 2 years.

What if I am a lesbian trapped in a male body? Am I gay or straight?

[Cecily]

Question: are transgenders gay? or are they straight and just feel better in the opposite sex's clothing?

Straight, gay, bi. Transgender people have the same range of orientations as anyone else.

[Cecily]

My first reaction is to agree totally with the above. I mean, there are a handful of exceptions that can pass, but for the most part, trannies are just plain gross to most normal people, and the idea of mutilating your genitals, I can't even imagine why anyone would ever want to even risk that, no matter what is going on in your head.

But upon further thought, if someone is that desperate, I just feel sorry for them, and wish them all the best.

Thanks for that last part. I sincerely appreciate the sentiment. Desperate is a good word for it. It's pretty common to hold off on transition till a person is at the brink of suicide if they don't, mostly thanks to the horrible stigma surrounding the subject.

[mickmoranis]

Straight, gay, bi. Transgender people have the same range of orientations as anyone else.

so black african for a white woman is ok then? because everything but gay or straight is a construct.

[Cecily]

I'm fairly certain race has nothing to do with this conversation! Unless you want to discuss the intersectionality of black transgender women. I don't.

[katrik]

I think its a mental disorder. So what? So is depression. So is anxiety. Neither one of those would stop me from being friends with, or at least kind to, someone.

If all I need to do in order to give a fellow human being a little dignity is recognize them as the gender they identify as, what kind of asshole am I if I can't find it in my heart to do something so simple? It's like saying "please" or "thank you".

^This. The heart of the matter is having empathy for the other person. Just because you may not agree with, or understand it (we still don't understand it completely).. doesn't mean we aren't just as valid as any other person is.

[hyejin]

nah its more like:

i'm a natural born American citizen. if you act in bad faith physically or economically i get plenty recourse ^^ so play straight up ok?

point a: if you get on the wrong side of this you experience an economic disadvantage.
point b: it's awesome

Try and accept the facts enthusiastically so's you don't have to get bitter and be amish! The pope will be signing off on it any minute anyway.

[Priceline]

https://i.imgur.com/dWSd3RU.jpg

Allow me to step in and clear things up for you. There are two genders. Male and Female. The gender you are is based off of if you were born with a dick or a pussy. If you were born with a dick, you're a male. If you're born with a pussy, you're a female. If you were born with a dick and think you're a female, you have a mental illness. If you were born with a pussy and think you're male, you have a mental illness.

Have a nice day.

I think his Q is can I get in dat ass

https://i.imgur.com/149nISQ.jpg

[maskedmelon]

I think its a mental disorder. So what? So is depression. So is anxiety. Neither one of those would stop me from being friends with, or at least kind to, someone.

If all I need to do in order to give a fellow human being a little dignity is recognize them as the gender they identify as, what kind of asshole am I if I can't find it in my heart to do something so simple? It's like saying "please" or "thank you".

yeah, but you're not most people and that is the problem. No matter how wonderful it may feel to be accepted by one, it still hurts to be rejected by everyone else and the most damning part is that those grains of acceptance validate your feelings and foster hope where often there is none.

As Ceci said, many people do not transition until they have no other choice because it's not as simple as waltzing up to genie and saying, "make me a girl!" The cost is high and it only increases as you age. And it is not just monetary, the stigma means relationships are also a price and then even when there is no stigma, there is still a sense of loss you create for those closest to you.

Is it wrong for them to feel they've lost the person you were? or the person they thought you were? Is it wrong of you to not have made them better understand? is it wrong of them to be unable to reason their way out of millennia of ingrained programming that says 'a' and 'b' are fundamentally different and mutually exclusive things?

Bottom line is most people, including transgendered, are utterly incapable of rationalizing the condition and people can't be blamed for failing to understand or accept anymore than transgender people can be blamed for being transgender. It's a shitty situation.

It would be a wonderful world if everyone could accept everyone else, each pandering to every others sincerest desires and most basic needs, but that is not how people are. They are generally averse to things that are different. yeah, yeah, there are plenty of people who liek different, i do too, but that is different too.

Ultimately, possibility can make things infinitely more difficult, most especially when it is false. And it is false for many.

Therein lies my issue with pronouns and pandering to delusion. Maybe things change entirely once you finalize your transition with SRS, but I am disinclined to believe it is so. There will always be reminders of what you are, the path you've taken and the prices you've paid.

Does that mean I'll be able to forever keep my feet from the path or be any better for it? No, it just means that I've embraced a familiar misery over an unfamiliar one.

Maybe in the next century gene therapy and 3D printing will lead to better, more complete outcomes, but I honestly don't know that there is an ideal solution outside of being born differently.

[mickmoranis]

so black african for a white woman is ok then? because everything but gay or straight is a construct.

Because the same liberals that think that white woman should lose her job (which she did) for identifying as a black woman, think you should lose your job for thinking a transgender should suffer the same conciquences for identifying as the opposite sex.

And now I'm telling you that you need to fight for a persons right to dress as any culture they want and identify as Chinese or Black, or white, regardless of their actual skin tone or nationally or upbringing, because there is no difference between race or male or female constructs in the patriarchy.

So if you don't say it's ok to dress or identify as a black woman, if you're a white one that grew up rich in Minisota, you're a hypocrite. Like the rest of th liberals.

[Csihar]

The fuck happened here? Went from me asking to talk to some transgendered people to mickmoranis talking to himself about liberals. Then again, that guy can turn a conversation about a sandwich into complaining about liberals. Carry on.

[mickmoranis]

csihar me out side

[Secrets]

Can PM me too. I'm not exacty 'transgender' (I've given up on the extremes of that, really) but maybe I can offer a different insight.

[mickmoranis]

for the record ill call anyone she or anyone him who wants to be either or, but I also want to acknowledge that we must allow people to identify as different cultures or races, if they want to as well.

[maskedmelon]

for the record ill call anyone she or anyone him who wants to be either or, but I also want to acknowledge that we must allow people to identify as different cultures or races, if they want to as well.

there are no roles commonly associated with races though.

[Pokesan]

tfw recycled meme opinions

[loramin]

for the record ill call anyone she or anyone him who wants to be either or, but I also want to acknowledge that we must allow people to identify as different cultures or races, if they want to as well.

Transgender people have a biological basis for how they feel: they are quite literally "born with it". That dumb ass Dolezal woman just had some mental issues.

But, more importantly, this thread makes me truly <3 these forums. What other online community would have multiple people with transgender experience AND a few hateful conservatives with no empathy AND "normal" people AND the whole conversation still manages to be an almost civil discussion?

[mickmoranis]

there are no roles commonly associated with races though.

roles? a role?

what do you mean by that?

I am simply saying, "identifying as" a male/female is a construct. Human beings are what they are.

If you're a straight male, but you identify as a female, then you are ONLY identifying in a construct.

If you are gay, you are saying you have sexual attraction towards something else, and that is a real thing. Sexual attraction is not a construct, its an evolutionary trait to breed.

But being straight, but feeling more comfortable wearing a dress, means that you are only interested in the constructs we've built around opposite sexes.

Therefore, it is OK to identify as a culture or race that you are not a part of, because those are also social constructs. There is only 1 human race.

[Zade]

The fuck happened here? Went from me asking to talk to some transgendered people to mickmoranis talking to himself about liberals. Then again, that guy can turn a conversation about a sandwich into complaining about liberals. Carry on.

You have been here since 2011 and you are surprised how a post about transgenders got derailed?

[katrik]

Trannys are a pain in the ass. I usually just bring those to a mechanic. No way Jose

[mickmoranis]

This is a thread about identifying with other cultures or races now, get over it.

[Csihar]

You have been here since 2011 and you are surprised how a post about transgenders got derailed?

I was actually illiterate in 2011. Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks a lot.

[Fasttimes]

I was actually illiterate in 2011. Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks a lot.

Calm down mayweather.

[Evia]

I think its a mental disorder. So what? So is depression. So is anxiety. Neither one of those would stop me from being friends with, or at least kind to, someone.

If all I need to do in order to give a fellow human being a little dignity is recognize them as the gender they identify as, what kind of asshole am I if I can't find it in my heart to do something so simple? It's like saying "please" or "thank you".

^gets it

[Grizzler]

Transgender people have a biological basis for how they feel: they are quite literally "born with it". That dumb ass Dolezal woman just had some mental issues.

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different. That's what forms the basis for sex and they don't change.

This whole thing gets really sick when you start hearing about kids that are being given hormone blockers when they're a small child.

[Zade]

I was actually illiterate in 2011. Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks a lot.

i applaud you on your progression! keep up the good work!

[loramin]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different.

A 2008 study compared 112 male-to-female transsexuals (both androphilic and gynephilic), mostly already undergoing hormone treatment, with 258 cisgender male controls. Male-to-female transsexuals were more likely than cisgender males to have a longer version of a receptor gene (longer repetitions of the gene) for the sex hormone androgen or testosterone, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone.[3] The androgen receptor (NR3C4) is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. The research suggests reduced androgen and androgen signaling contributes to the female gender identity of male-to-female transsexuals. The authors say that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might prevent complete masculinization of the brain in male-to-female transsexuals and thereby cause a more feminized brain and a female gender identity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/26/534367738/transgender-prejudice-and-the-belief-in-a-biological-basis-for-gender

[hyejin]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different. That's what forms the basis for sex and they don't change.

This whole thing gets really sick when you start hearing about kids that are being given hormone blockers when they're a small child.

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. :D

[Patriam1066]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different. That's what forms the basis for sex and they don't change.

This whole thing gets really sick when you start hearing about kids that are being given hormone blockers when they're a small child.

Those are separate issues. An adult deciding for himself is one thing, parents turning their child into a science project is quite another. Not really the same discussion

PS: read this thread and tell me Katrik has a mental illness and mickmoranis doesn't. You cant

[loramin]

And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check

I agree with Hyejin that 8-year olds with hormones is absolutely unnecessary and doesn't pass the "gut check", but look, is this really worth worrying about compared to every other horrible thing that happens to children in America? For instance, every year like 15,000 children are brought in to America for sex slavery. That's not the number of child prostitutes currently in America, that's the number brought in and added to the countless existing child prostitutes.

In contrast there were what: two kids that were given transgender drugs by their parents at a young age last year? Twenty? Even if there were a thousand, it'd still be a drop in the bucket, and it'd still be a hell of a lot better than being prostituted. This makes me think that all this passion about 8-year olds with hormones has a lot less to do with caring about kids, and a lot more with wanting to enforce a particular world view.

Humans have a finite amount of energy to devote to caring about things, and for me giving hormones to a handful of 8-year-olds just doesn't rate compared to thousand and thousands of children suffering sexual abuse on a daily basis. Maybe all you trans-haters could save some of that outrage and empathy for the children who are actually suffering, and not just whatever offends your sensibilities at the moment?

[Docx]

If you don’t want to wait for a PM you can message me in game on my warrior Detoxx.

[maskedmelon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/26/534367738/transgender-prejudice-and-the-belief-in-a-biological-basis-for-gender

There is also evidence for structural differences in the brains of transgendered people causing them to more closely resemble the sex they identify with than the one they were born as, as well as evidence that in vitro androgen exposure levels play a role.

The truth is there are no absolute divisions. There are distributions with varying degrees of overlap and rather than simply throw binary divisions out the window people would rather fight over where the line is. maybe that is important, i don't know and don't care.

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

[Fasttimes]

There is also evidence for structural differences in the brains of transgendered people causing them to more closely resemble the sex they identify with than the one they were born as, as well as evidence that in vitro androgen exposure levels play a role.

The truth is there are no absolute divisions. There are distributions with varying degrees of overlap and rather than simply throw binary divisions out the window people would rather fight over where the line is. maybe that is important, i don't know and don't care.

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

Don't crotchless shame me.

[branamil]

You're asking this community? Next you might wanna head to your nearest tractor pull for a worldly perspective on feminism.

[mickmoranis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/26/534367738/transgender-prejudice-and-the-belief-in-a-biological-basis-for-gender

dang lor, I love ya pal but you're fallin into all the libtard tropes.

not wanting to talk about science out of fear of it supporting biggoted views by some stranger overhearing, drawing arbitrary lines between different social constructs to protect skin colors from eachother (aka give libcucks a right to shame someone for not fitting their mold).

Its all Antifa berkely nonthink libtardification that created these ideas my friend.

Be careful, dont dumb yourself down and take away your own right to free speech (or even worse, thought) because you're afraid some random redneck is going to think you talking about science somehow justifies his racist bull shit.

Rise above. Talk about the facts. Dont ignore them cus you're afraid of raycism.

that said, unless you are gay or straight or in between, everything you are doing is simply putting on makeup. Whether its lipstick for people who think girls look cool or tattered flannal shirts for those rustic folk that think manly men have the best style.

Put on whatever makeup you want, but don't go crying when someone calls you a whore for using too much rouge or a fat ass for looking like your average football male.

[Ahldagor]

dang lor, I love ya pal but you're fallin into all the libtard tropes.

not wanting to talk about science out of fear of it supporting biggoted views by some stranger overhearing, drawing arbitrary lines between different social constructs to protect skin colors from eachother (aka give libcucks a right to shame someone for not fitting their mold).

Its all Antifa berkely nonthink libtardification that created these ideas my friend.

Be careful, dont dumb yourself down and take away your own right to free speech (or even worse, thought) because you're afraid some random redneck is going to think you talking about science somehow justifies his racist bull shit.

Rise above. Talk about the facts. Dont ignore them cus you're afraid of raycism.

that said, unless you are gay or straight or in between, everything you are doing is simply putting on makeup. Whether its lipstick for people who think girls look cool or tattered flannal shirts for those rustic folk that think manly men have the best style.

Put on whatever makeup you want, but don't go crying when someone calls you a whore for using too much rouge or a fat ass for looking like your average football male.

Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side.
And all the colored girls go do da do da do do do do da do da do do do

[Lhancelot]

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

My perspective is the typical human judges others and when they determine the judged are different than themselves their natural reaction is to distrust and dislike. It doesn't matter that the judged pose no danger, the fact they are different is enough to justify persecution.

I never considered much of what you wrote on earlier, but that was deep when you mentioned how it felt when the minority supported the transgender granting them validation of their feelings yet this only causes more pain by highlighting the fact the majority still will never accept them regardless of such validation. Paraphrasing as best I can from memory here, but that's how I understood it.

Honestly I wish Csihar would have just asked the question he had in mind directly, then the thread would at least have a more concrete base to build from. Naturally the thread will be derailed because this is a complex topic, no idea how politics worked its way into it though.

[AzzarTheGod]

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. :D

the whale is gassed up n ready to roll.

*inflates tires on whale*

[Mead]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/26/534367738/transgender-prejudice-and-the-belief-in-a-biological-basis-for-gender

I try to avoid referencing Wikipedia for any scientific facts. Although, I do not disagree. What does science tell us about transsexuality? Most of the stuff I've read has shown structural differences at the genetic/cellular level

Got a good lol from chatdwoke doe. Thanks, pal

[Grizzler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/26/534367738/transgender-prejudice-and-the-belief-in-a-biological-basis-for-gender

This was definitely an interesting read, however it seems there is a lack in studies. They do mention a bunch of different studies but also go over the small sample sizes in some of these as well as the lack of consensus in the results among other researchers. Although it's also Wikipedia, so gotta definitely do a lot more looking into than one web search.

Definitely an interesting hypothesis and still need more scientific data to be proven. However, this still aims at a difference in brain chemistry, bringing people closer to gender dysphoria, a mental disorder. I'll need to do more research overall but this was a interesting read thus far and has certainly sparked more questions for me, so thanks for that loramin.

Also, just a side note, evidence doesn't prove it. There is still a lot more work to be done on the subject, obviously. So try not to call people bigots when they don't agree with you because that is the LITERAL DEFINITION of bigotry.

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. :D

Glad we at least agree on the children part. That is primarily my main issue with it all. An adult can do whatever they want imo. Although I still can't imagine that 40yro man that is now "living as a 6yro girl" but to each their own.

People can be upset with my "clueless interior monologue" all they want, but unfortunately feelings don't constitute facts. I can feel like a Bear or a Dolphin all I want but that doesn't make me one. O Snap, maybe I'm an Otherkin! Unfortunately for some, the same thing goes for folks feeling like a different sex, race or what have you at least until proven differently.

Those are separate issues. An adult deciding for himself is one thing, parents turning their child into a science project is quite another. Not really the same discussion

Your right, an adult deciding for themselves is one thing, but when is someone an adult? When you become legal age? Even though your brain may not be fully developed yet? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

We still have a lot of questions in these area's and I'm certainly no expert but folks need to take it down a notch from the name calling BS. This isn't RnF last I checked..

PS: read this thread and tell me Katrik has a mental illness and mickmoranis doesn't. You cant

Many people have a mental illness these days. Trying to pick and choose who from posts on the interwebz is just not worth the time.

[Raavak]

My perspective is the typical human judges others and when they determine the judged are different than themselves their natural reaction is to distrust and dislike. It doesn't matter that the judged pose no danger, the fact they are different is enough to justify persecution.Yes, humans are pack animals and in general will respond accordingly. Being different is outside "the pack" and will result in bared teeth.

[Mead]

Many people have a mental illness these days. Trying to pick and choose who from posts on the interwebz is just not worth the time.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious

[Grizzler]

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious

Heh, O I know.

[Priceline]

Yes, humans are pack animals and in general will respond accordingly. Being different is outside "the pack" and will result in bared teeth.

animals yes, those that strive to "be different" just want a lot of attention, nothing more.

[hyejin]

People can be upset with my "clueless interior monologue" all they want, but unfortunately feelings don't constitute facts. I can feel like a Bear or a Dolphin all I want but that doesn't make me one. O Snap, maybe I'm an Otherkin! Unfortunately for some, the same thing goes for folks feeling like a different sex, race or what have you at least until proven differently.

You're arguing earnestly with lies told on television for soccer moms and under duress to doctors. You are correct that it is plainly obvious that the highly ambiguous statement "I was born a woman" does not stand up to inquiry from every angle when spoken by a mouth with y chromes. But neither were the girls in this thread born biologically shaped to the simulacrum culture's erected for defining maleness. :D

The real fact is that it's an incredible thing that dramatically improves the lives of certain people. Allow those people that and stop trying to intervene. There is just no need to justify it morally in the patriarch's dialectic.

PS: your 300x optical zoom eyes and 20 foot vertical jumps are locked behind us first acquiring collective consent to do what we're doing.

[Pokesan]

You're arguing earnestly with lies told on television for soccer moms and under duress to doctors. You are correct that it is plainly obvious that the highly ambiguous statement "I was born a woman" does not stand up to inquiry from every angle when spoken by a mouth with y chromes. But neither were the girls in this thread born biologically shaped to the simulacrum culture's erected for defining maleness. :D

The real fact is that it's an incredible thing that dramatically improves the lives of certain people. Allow those people that and stop trying to intervene. There is just no need to justify it morally in the patriarch's dialectic.

PS: your 300x optical zoom eyes and 20 foot vertical jumps are locked behind us first acquiring collective consent to do what we're doing.


https://youtu.be/6hKG5l_TDU8

[Grizzler]

You're arguing earnestly with lies told on television for soccer moms and under duress to doctors. You are correct that it is plainly obvious that the highly ambiguous statement "I was born a woman" does not stand up to inquiry from every angle when spoken by a mouth with y chromes. But neither were the girls in this thread born biologically shaped to the simulacrum culture's erected for defining maleness. :D

The real fact is that it's an incredible thing that dramatically improves the lives of certain people. Allow those people that and stop trying to intervene. There is just no need to justify it morally in the patriarch's dialectic.

PS: your 300x optical zoom eyes and 20 foot vertical jumps are locked behind us first acquiring collective consent to do what we're doing.
wow, is this an RnF post?!?

Sure it helps some folks but not all. Sometimes it changes nothing or makes things worse for that person. The funny thing is no one is attempting to intervene unless it's involving children or some form of speech policing. Hell look at Ontario Canada, where they've gone crazy adding in laws for the Transgender community. Most of which seem fine although Bill 89 is scary, where children can be taken from parents.

Live how you want just know not all agree with you. That's part of being an adult in this day and age.

*Edit*: removed last line as it was a bit snarky and better to have a cordial conversation then let it turn to argument/name calling/etc.

[JurisDictum]

They really do a good job of getting regular conservative hetero dumbfuck Christians to grapple with sexual identity issues way over their head. I guess they convinced you all this was a real threat to you and your kids or some like you and your kids -- don't believe any of that shit. You don't have to think about transgender people at all.

Just stop poking your nose in other people's sexuality every time your preacher suggests you do so. Instead, you should be thinking: "wtf is wrong with this freak that he is bringing up a bunch of transgender issues on sunday morning church crowd? What's he really trying to accomplish here?"

I certainly wouldn't let someone else's sexual decisions blind you to the more imperative matters of economic inequality.

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." -- Matthew 19:24

[maskedmelon]

They really do a good job of getting regular conservative hetero dumbfuck Christians to grapple with sexual identity issues way over their head. I guess they convinced you all this was a real threat to you and your kids or some like you and your kids -- don't believe any of that shit. You don't have to think about transgender people at all.

Just stop poking your nose in other people's sexuality every time your preacher suggests you do so. Instead, you should be thinking: "wtf is wrong with this freak that he is bringing up a bunch of transgender issues on sunday morning church crowd? What's he really trying to accomplish here?"

I certainly wouldn't let someone else's sexual decisions blind you to the more imperative matters of economic inequality.

transgenderism isn't about sexuality ya doof

*bonks JD on the head*

that's precisely where and how objectors get confused.

[JurisDictum]

transgenderism isn't about sexuality ya doof

*bonks JD on the head*

that's precisely where and how objectors get confused.

Everything is about sex. Except sex which is about power.

9079

[Cecily]

I certainly wouldn't let someone else's sexual decisions blind you to the more imperative matters of economic inequality.

Andddd there's that not so rare case having to deal with both simultaneously. Not sure what's worse, living in fear of society being assholes to you or being too poor to blend in enough to keep them from being assholes to you. Individually, both are pretty good reasons to invest in a firearm for personal use.

[Patriam1066]

They really do a good job of getting regular conservative hetero dumbfuck Christians to grapple with sexual identity issues way over their head. I guess they convinced you all this was a real threat to you and your kids or some like you and your kids -- don't believe any of that shit. You don't have to think about transgender people at all.

Just stop poking your nose in other people's sexuality every time your preacher suggests you do so. Instead, you should be thinking: "wtf is wrong with this freak that he is bringing up a bunch of transgender issues on sunday morning church crowd? What's he really trying to accomplish here?"

I certainly wouldn't let someone else's sexual decisions blind you to the more imperative matters of economic inequality.

Christians like John Brown freed the slaves. You're just uninformed and don't understand the pillars of western civ

[loramin]

Christians like John Brown freed the slaves. You're just uninformed and don't understand the pillars of western civ

This seems obvious to me, but you seem to be on the defensive so maybe it's not obvious to you: "conservative hetero dumbfuck Christians" is not the same set of people as "all Christians (including John Brown) throughout history". The former is very clearly a much smaller subset of the latter ... just like how the set of people who actually follow Christ's teachings is a tiny tiny fraction of the "all Christians throughout history" set.

[Pokesan]

Christians like John Brown freed the slaves. You're just uninformed and don't understand the pillars of western civ

Brown was accompanied by the sheriff and his assistants, but no minister since he had consistently rejected the ministrations of pro-slavery clergy. Since the region was in the grips of virtual hysteria, most northerners, including journalists, were run out of town, and it is unlikely any anti-slavery clergyman would have been safe, even if one were to have sought to visit Brown.

[Nilstoniakrath]

They really do a good job of getting regular conservative hetero dumbfuck Christians to grapple with sexual identity issues way over their head. I guess they convinced you all this was a real threat to you and your kids or some like you and your kids -- don't believe any of that shit. You don't have to think about transgender people at all.

Just stop poking your nose in other people's sexuality every time your preacher suggests you do so. Instead, you should be thinking: "wtf is wrong with this freak that he is bringing up a bunch of transgender issues on sunday morning church crowd? What's he really trying to accomplish here?"

I certainly wouldn't let someone else's sexual decisions blind you to the more imperative matters of economic inequality.

I am all for letting trannies live their lives as they wish. But those who are not comfortable with it, shouldn't have it forced down their throats either. Freedom of association. No male genitals in women's bathrooms, no forcing bakers to make a cake celebrating non-binary stuff, no designers having to make a dress for Melania Trump, no pedophiles teaching kids in classrooms or leading scout troops, no pastors being forced to lead marriage ceremonies for same-sex weddings. Oh wait, you think that is cool to force straights to do that sh!t, but preaching for procreation-able partnerships is bigoted and intrusive. You are just as guilty of poking your nose in others' business as you complain that others are doing to you, so feel free to F off.

[JurisDictum]

I am all for letting trannies live their lives as they wish. But those who are not comfortable with it, shouldn't have it forced down their throats either. Freedom of association. No male genitals in women's bathrooms, no forcing bakers to make a cake celebrating non-binary stuff, no designers having to make a dress for Melania Trump, no pedophiles teaching kids in classrooms or leading scout troops, no pastors being forced to lead marriage ceremonies for same-sex weddings. Oh wait, you think that is cool to force straights to do that sh!t, but preaching for procreation-able partnerships is bigoted and intrusive. You are just as guilty of poking your nose in others' business as you complain that others are doing to you, so feel free to F off.

Dude the military has to buy this country's propaganda -- that goes with the territory. America is the country of individual liberty -- not Christian community values. Because Christian boys have a habit of bullying and beating up gay and trans people -- they have to watch corney acceptance videos.

Young people totally lap that shit up too. People like acceptance. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy and shit. And more importantly, it makes us feel superior to the terrorists.

[skarlorn]

at the end of harry potter 6, snape kills dumbledore

because snape is TRANS

https://i.imgur.com/WXcPO2e.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

wat the fk hwo dare u disrespect snape

[JurisDictum]

Oh yea Snape...

He sure spent a lot of time obsessing over the good-looking arrogant Quidditch captain for a guy that "loved Lilly Evens."

Sure dude, you loved Lilly Evens -- that's why you never got laid in your entire adult life.

Fuckin closet cases man. They could at least make it less obvious.

[katrik]

Snape kind of looks like a tranny haha

[Ahldagor]

The voice of god can be whatever ot wants to be. Rickman for life muthafuckahs

[katrik]

https://imgur.com/a/zcSfr

Rickman is my favorite Sheriff of Nottingham

Also, how the F do you imbed pics now? Imgur removed that option.

[Cecily]

Can just make up your own extension.

.png or w/e

https://imgur.com/a/zcSfr.png
https://m.imgur.com/a/zcSfr.jpg

Yep. Never mind. Can't figure it out.

[katrik]

I did the image thing built into the boards but it doesn't work either. I'm kinda dumb tho.

[Pokesan]

link the image not the album

[katrik]

https://imgur.com/iKHsWAV

yeah no dice.

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/R9Td97p_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/R9Td97p_d.jpg

right click open in new tab. you want it starting with i.imgur.etc

press on pic for a sec if on phone a menu comes up

[katrik]

https://i.imgur.com/gOp8Hgr.jpg

success!