PSA: Don't Pay for Rezzes!

[mcoy]

Seriously. This practice needs to be banned. I've been offered ridiculous sums to rez people in (relatively) easy to reach areas. Mana is free - you literally get it by sitting on ass. If you're after a rez, get a cleric a port somewhat nearby and get rezzed. If you don't mind waiting until evening hours EST then I'll hit you. I'm at 2544 96%'s and looking to grow that number. I can't count the number of offers of free ports I've been offered just because I said I was on the way to rez someone. Let us make this a thing! #ClericsUnited #Obamacare

Also clerics have alts that die too. It's a win/win situation...

-Mcoy

[Sonderbeast]

Mcoy needs his own personal porting service. DAP VIP status.

P.S. will always port you for free on Sond.

[Nagoya]

Wouldn't it be: "never refuse to rez without a tip!" ?
I mean, why would you want to force players not to tip if they want to? ^^
I don't play a cleric eh, so i'm not trying to protect my turf. and i don't really tip either lol, but i don't see how that can be a problem, ever :p
#Freedom

(that being said, i do have a 53 druid and i'd port anyone for free any time of the day if i'm available hehe so i know the feeling)

[Jimjam]

Seriously. This practice needs to be banned. I've been offered ridiculous sums to rez people in (relatively) easy to reach areas. Mana is free - you literally get it by sitting on ass. If you're after a rez, get a cleric a port somewhat nearby and get rezzed. If you don't mind waiting until evening hours EST then I'll hit you. I'm at 2544 96%'s and looking to grow that number. I can't count the number of offers of free ports I've been offered just because I said I was on the way to rez someone. Let us make this a thing! #ClericsUnited #Obamacare

Also clerics have alts that die too. It's a win/win situation...

-Mcoy

Think of it as a thank you for the player's time saved, as much as a payment for the cleric's time expended.

[NenshouStar]

I think that if you are able to tip, and under circumstances where you are asking the cleric to travel or go out of their way for you.. you would be a sleaze not to.
honestly if I played a Cleric. I might actually offer it as a service from time to time, and you bet your bullocks a bit of gratitude goes a long ways.

[applesauce25r624]

in b4 this lands in rnf

[Kowalski]

America ! Fuck Yeah !

[Pyrion]

Cleric rezzing is a service just like porting. Of course, if the cleric is literally standing next to your corpse with epic in hand, it's trivial for him to rez you... and he/she shouldn't expect a lot of compensation. If on the other hand the cleric has to abandon his/her normal game play, then it's only fair to offer compensation. Saints like Mcoy won't take it of course and that is fine.

[LiQuid]

Mcoy rezzed me and a bunch of my idiot friends in Kedge and wouldn't even take some peridots as payment. Brother's on some next level altruism.

[eadric]

OP sounds like a busybody desperately trying to confirm he's a better person than everyone else. If people want to offer money to entice someone to log on their cleric, find a port, and run to their corpse, that is their own business. Time is money, after all.

I've done many uncompensated rezzes over the years, and I've received more than a few very generous tips as well. It all evens out in the end. The plat or peridot tip for a rez is just a way of saying, "thanks for your time, friend," and spitting on that thanks does not confer on the cleric any moral high ground.

[bilirubin]

It can be rough making platinum as a cleric compared to other classes since clerics can't really solo (or kill anything efficiently). Also they have expensive reagents (peridots) used for their popular HP/AC buffs.

You should absolutely tip your clicky cleric.

[Grizzler]

I have a druid and a cleric, albeit only a 90% rez atm. I never require tips. If someone offers a tip, then I will take it unless it's a guild member. I don't mind it and with the amount of time some folks have put into their chars on this server, many folks have a ton of plat that won't really hurt them dropping 20 or something on a cleric or druid for a service.

[Lhancelot]

in b4 this lands in rnf

Why are people afraid to put their rants in the approriate forums section?

[fadetree]

As someone who has needed his share of rezzes, this is ridiculous. Not every cleric is as "altruistic" as you. I quote it because you aren't really being altruistic, you are:
1. Bragging - sort of
2. Want to increase your 'rez count'
3. Have alts you want rezzed, but hope to not pay for.

If I can't pay or tip for a rez, then I cannot get an immediate rez as easily. As a cleric, if I can't expect a tip or payment, then I won't be as motivated to be available. What you suggest will actually make it HARDER to get a rez. You're asking us to depend on people being as "selfless"/crazy as you are. What happens when you decide you are tired of rezzing people?

This is the thing about economics that people never seem to understand. Payment for services rendered is not bad or evil or greedy, it's actually the moral thing to do. Free stuff is slavery.

[Legidias]

This goes into the whole tip/donation vs paid services. When someone advertises X service for donations / tips, I feel they dont have any reason to stand on to feel angry since they asked for a voluntary donation.

When someone says porting for plat / rezzing for plat, they should be able to expect some sort of monetary compensation since they are asking for it in return for said service.

When I play my cleric to buff my alt group / rez them in case things go south, depending on my mood I can advertise free rez or rezzing for plat. If someone offers me something extra when I say free rez, that is a very nice donation and gesture, and I may or may not decide to take it depending on the zone, twinkiness of rezzee, if I had to get a port over, etc.

If I am advertising rezzing for plat, say in permafrost or CoM or some other zone that very likely doesnt have 96% rez available as often as in demand, I can deny free rezzes guilt free as it was specifically advertised as a paid service.

I personally always try to donate to the cleric when they rez me whether it was advertised as donation or paid. I don't expect this service for free, but the cleric in question may decline my contribution which is also nice.

Its not about greed, its fair compensation for supply/demand.

[mcoy]

Well this went in an unexpected direction... I should have been more clear / not as drunk when I posted this. What I was alluding to was the occasional "hey can I pay you xxx for a rez in (usually common location; often not too far away) request. It just seems that there's a mentality on this server that certain services cost specific amounts. They're supposed to be tips / donations, and those by definition should not be considered "required", especially when it doesn't require a significant effort.

Move to RnF, please - this definitely doesn't belong in server chat.

-Mcoy

[katrik]

Well this went in an unexpected direction... I should have been more clear / not as drunk when I posted this. What I was alluding to was the occasional "hey can I pay you xxx for a rez in (usually common location; often not too far away) request. It just seems that there's a mentality on this server that certain services cost specific amounts. They're supposed to be tips / donations, and those by definition should not be considered "required", especially when it doesn't require a significant effort.

Move to RnF, please - this definitely doesn't belong in server chat.

-Mcoy

OP your message of love and kindness doesn’t belong here haha.

[Lojik]

If your cleric is refusing a tip, invite them to group (ask for hero or say you'll port them w/e) and then /split XXX and then quickly disband.

[aaezil]

time is money, we aren't all unemployed here guy

[Lulz~Sect]

ForumQuest™

[Loke]

I've never demanded plat for a rez, and usually don't accept it when offerred, but I do think offering one should be standard practice. I don't know about you, but usually when I'm in EQ, I'm doing stuff, and going out of my way to rez someone usually takes at least a few minutes. Offering a donation is recognition that my time is valuable, and my help appreciated.

Some people already expect rezzes. I actually had someone bitch that I wouldn't run to CoM to rez them when I was in TT heading to a Seb group. I get that it is only a couple zones, but I had a group of friends waiting on me, and some random dude expects me just drop what I'm doing and rez them? I've pretty much remained anon since that happened. The second he hit 49 and got that 90% rez, the ridiculous rez requests started rolling in.

Since I'm already bitching about rezzes... People under L20 need to stop with the rez requests. Unless it is a travel issue where you're bound half way across the world, it probably takes me longer to run there and med the mana back than it would for your L16 character to just regain the exp. I'm not wasting my time crossing multiple zones to rez back what amounts to 10 minutes of exp grinding, stop asking.

[MappaEQ]

Can confirm, he's the real McCoy! Numerous free rezzes from McCoy, he's told me he's done thousands and never accepted a tip..

[Lhancelot]

I think it's fair to say a cleric that likes being tipped for their time/services isn't a bad cleric.

Gifts/tips for one's service works two ways, it shows appreciation and compensates possible loss of time a cleric spends rezzing which as has been said, time is money for some.

I don't know why people worry about what others spend their ingame fake money on anyway... Why does it matter?

[Raavak]

If offered I usually take it, and then symbol them.

If asked for a rez in some distant zone with promise of a tip I'll do that if I'm not preoccupied as well.

[Phenyo]

time is money

[plasma1010]

RezziCare

Socialized Rezzicine

Rezzie Sanders

Rezzing Security

[maskedmelon]

in the interest of order i'll assume the thankless task of countering OP's wanton placating of conscience by charging no less than ONE-THOUSAND (1,000) PLATINUM PIECES per resurrection henceforth.




and so Norrath knew harmony once more.

[skarlorn]

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[kaev]

in the interest of order i'll assume the thankless task of countering OP's wanton placating of conscience by charging no less than ONE-THOUSAND (1,000) PLATINUM PIECES per resurrection henceforth.




and so Norrath knew harmony once more.

Truly your selfless service has Made Norrath Great Again. Thank you.

[Mead]

Well this went in an unexpected direction... I should have been more clear / not as drunk when I posted this. What I was alluding to was the occasional "hey can I pay you xxx for a rez in (usually common location; often not too far away) request. It just seems that there's a mentality on this server that certain services cost specific amounts. They're supposed to be tips / donations, and those by definition should not be considered "required", especially when it doesn't require a significant effort.

Move to RnF, please - this definitely doesn't belong in server chat.

-Mcoy

The title of the thread is "PSA: Don't Pay for Rezzes!"

It went about as expected or maybe even a little better than expected

They took it easy on you because they want free resses

[Kowalski]

Self-Interest vs. Altruism: A False Dichotomy

[Lhancelot]

They took it easy on you because they want free resses

I refuse rezzes because I like to eat deaths and make my leveling experiece even longer. That's the most fun part of p99 EQ. Once you hit 55-59 you might as well roll an alt, shit gets to be a chore XPing. If a game becomes a chore, it's time to change games or activities in the game, AKA roll an alt.

[kempoguy80]

I don't care if people don't donate, but a lot of people don't even say thank you.

[Mead]

I don't care if people don't donate, but a lot of people don't even say thank you.

I have maybe ran into this a hand full of times. I definitely wouldn't say it's a lot. Most people are appreciative. There are always the exceptions. I usually chalk it up to being really high on drugs, preoccupied with kids/work irl, or just being a narcissistic son of a bitch. But you should always say thank you to someone doing you a favor, whether they went out of their way or not.

[loramin]

I usually chalk it up to being really high on drugs

At least half of all petitions could be prevented if the whole server adopted this mentality.

[Lhancelot]

I have maybe ran into this a hand full of times. I definitely wouldn't say it's a lot. Most people are appreciative. There are always the exceptions. I usually chalk it up to being really high on drugs, preoccupied with kids/work irl, or just being a narcissistic son of a bitch. But you should always say thank you to someone doing you a favor, whether they went out of their way or not.

It depends on who you talking to regarding the overall attitude of the players on p99. Some people will say "no one appreciates anything," "no one ever helps me," "no one says thank you EVER," etc. These typically are people that always see things from a negative perspective.

Personally I agree with everything you just said about why SOMETIMES people don't say "thank you," don't say "please," etc. I always remind myself that all of us are living IRL as well as interacting in the game and sometimes the amount of input from both can be overwhelming and stuff gets missed.

There are the rare ones that honestly think they are above issuing any sort of recognition of others in the game but I really believe this to be a very small minority.

[skarlorn]

At least half of all petitions could be prevented if the whole server adopted this mentality.

Lol

[Lulz~Sect]

Originally Posted by Mead View Post
I usually chalk it up to being really high on drugs

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[Daloon]

600pp MINIMUM for me to rez in Skyfire.

[SamwiseRed]

Seriously. This practice needs to be banned. I've been offered ridiculous sums to rez people in (relatively) easy to reach areas. Mana is free - you literally get it by sitting on ass. If you're after a rez, get a cleric a port somewhat nearby and get rezzed. If you don't mind waiting until evening hours EST then I'll hit you. I'm at 2544 96%'s and looking to grow that number. I can't count the number of offers of free ports I've been offered just because I said I was on the way to rez someone. Let us make this a thing! #ClericsUnited #Obamacare

Also clerics have alts that die too. It's a win/win situation...

-Mcoy

drugs?

[skarlorn]

^boose