Guide On How to Stop Being Fat

[JurisDictum]

Being fat is disgusting. It signifies that you are lazy and unhealthy. The younger you are, the worse it is, but its no picnic being a porker at 50+ either. No women (most readers are men) wants to fuck a guy that doesn't look like he can move around a bit. And if your a fat women.. well...you get it without me driving home the point.

It's completely unfair though. I get it. I was one of those people that could get fat when I was a kid. I couldn't just eat whatever I wanted and stay thin like 90%+ of you out there at that age.

Additionally, my parents were stupid about it. Telling me dumb shit like its just genetic and ill grow out of it, and its just genetic when I didn't. Retarded...There is hardly anyone out there that has a hard coded problem with weight loss like that. If that's you -- go the fucking doctor and take your thyroid medication and problem solved.

Now weight gain is genetic, but all that means is some people level at the Troll SK during Classic pace, and other level at a Halfling Druid pace. We all can get 50 without too much trouble -- but some have it a lot easier. That being said, whoever finds it easy to stay thin seems to have a much harder time gaining muscle in a strength training program. So there is some trade off.

But the vast majority of people start getting fat around 30. This is because they don't lift, cardio or watch what they eat -- and their metabolism is now slowing down. They are even less active and they eat even more rich food.

Most people enter this phase of life with no fucking idea what eating healthy is like. They think chicken teriyaki with veggies is healthy and a piece of sirloin steak will kill you. To try to make it as simple as possible:

Don't eat any sugar. Aiming for zero will get you at like 15-20 grams a day most the time. The only thing with sugar in it you should be eating is fruits and a tiny bit in spices. Sugar is moving backwards, don't do it unless you are good with your current weight and can make it up with exercise later.

Most fruit are fine, but avoid: Grapes, Pineapple, Mangos, Papayas, and I'd only eat 1 Banana a day at most. All these tropical type fruits contain concentrated sugar. Apples, Oranges, and Pears -- just having 1 for a snack between meals is the best way to eat fruit IMO.

The other big area of concern is Carbs. Most carbs you as an American are accustomed too are very fucking fating to inactive people. Anything with white flour is a no go for fat people. In shape people have to watch out not to overdo it as many of them know. Same goes for white rice, pasta, and most potatoes.

Sweet potatoes and Yams are really good for you. Any bread needs to be whole wheat -- that Daves Killer Bread power seed is the big corporate brand that comes to mind. Or Ezekial. Basically if it is whole wheat you can have it moderation -- bread, tortillas, Naan whatever. Brown rice is OK but probably not best more than once a day not everday. Pasta is probably best kept once in awhile -- even whole wheat pasta.
Beans are really good in general -- its slightly better to make dry beans yourself then constantly eating canned version.

Right there most people can lose weight just by avoiding those things and maybe allowing themselves to eat meats they were convinced were unhealthy. Any meat is fine as long as it isn't completely marbled with fat, or somehow processed. Some ham won't kill you but I wouldn't have it every morning. The best weight loss-wise is Fish, white meat chicken and turkey.

With seasonings, just don't add more then a tiny bit of sugar (usually in something like balsamic vinegar), and avoid adding excessive amounts of fat. Fat isn't the enemy -- you all heard the story of how "low-fat" stuff is unhealthy. But you shouldn't be using butter really. And you need to keep the oils used for stuff like salads and pan frying meats down. Getting PAM might not be a bad idea (or just a spray bottle for oil). Avocados are loaded with healthy fat...but still fat so keep that in mind.

For Weight loss, avoid cheese except for the low fat kinds (mozzarella, swiss, provolone). Check sugar count for yogurt -- I don't think yogurt is as healthy as they claim...lots of healthy people like it is all. I use some half and half in the morning. If I want milk -- I drink whole milk. But I try to avoid that too. Processed milk (2% blah blah) is loaded with sugar. A little sour cream is here and there is fine.

Meals look like:

Breakfast: Beans and eggs

Snack: Apple

Lunch: Big Salad with beans (Garbonzo and Dark Red Kidney)

Snack: Nuts with string cheese

(work out)

Dinner: Yam, Veggies with Turkey

This will be a little better than just hitting 2-3 meals a day...but do what you have to do to stay on diet. It's also better to not eat during the last part of the day (at least 3 hours before going to sleep).

If you want to lose weight quickly, you get your calories down to about 1300ish (for people 30+, 1500 for younger ones.) You got to make sure to eat at least that much to avoid metabolism drop off.

An hour a day of exercise will make your metabolism rise. Your muscles take calories to maintain themselves, so if you build muscle that will raise your metabolism. The best thing you can do as a fat guy or girl, is pick up strength training x3 times a week. Basically you need someone to show you how to:

Squat
Bench
Deadlift
Press
Pull up

The rest is individualized to the person's goals -- but if you don't do those you are missing the best exercises to build muscle mass. It takes like less than a hour 3 days a week to basically change your life -- and your not to old to do this if your under 70.

After 3 days a week for about 3 weeks they recommend a rest these days for 1 week (so you can basically keep slowly building forever without burn out). The days your aren't doing lifting you can should do a cardio for an hour. Start with elliptical then move up to treadmill. Stuff like rowing and stair master are good between days of running to avoid problems with your knees. Bikes are hard to get your heart rate up but they build unique muscle that will burn fat later. Planks are something that you can learn on youtube very easy that flaten your belly a bit -- working up to doing these 6 days a week 1-2 a day will give your all the definition you need for abs. The rest will be diet.

After you are the weight you want to be you eat more like 1800-2000 calories -- but the same kind of diet. Its good to offset all that emotional overeating you did before by sense of superiority over those that are fat. Particularly all those pricks in high school who where skinny when you were fat -- most of them will be fat now. This a great time to go get back at them.

Edit: Quinoa is your primary rice replacement and a kind of go-to carb...left that out somehow.

[Cecily]

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat.

[Lhancelot]

Being fat is disgusting. It signifies that you are lazy and unhealthy. The younger you are, the worse it is, but its no picnic being a porker at 50+ either. No women (most readers are men) wants to fuck a guy that doesn't look like he can move around a bit. And if your a fat women.. well...you get it without me driving home the point.

It's completely unfair though. I get it. I was one of those people that could get fat when I was a kid. I couldn't just eat whatever I wanted and stay thin like 90%+ of you out there at that age.

Additionally, my parents were stupid about it. Telling me dumb shit like its just genetic and ill grow out of it, and its just genetic when I didn't. Retarded...There is hardly anyone out there that has a hard coded problem with weight loss like that. If that's you -- go the fucking doctor and take your thyroid medication and problem solved.

Now weight gain is genetic, but all that means is some people level at the Troll SK during Classic pace, and other level at a Halfling Druid pace. We all can get 50 without too much trouble -- but some have it a lot easier. That being said, whoever finds it easy to stay thin seems to have a much harder time gaining muscle in a strength training program. So there is some trade off.

But the vast majority of people start getting fat around 30. This is because they don't lift, cardio or watch what they eat -- and their metabolism is now slowing down. They are even less active and they eat even more rich food.

Most people enter this phase of life with no fucking idea what eating healthy is like. They think chicken teriyaki with veggies is healthy and a piece of sirloin steak will kill you. To try to make it as simple as possible:

Don't eat any sugar. Aiming for zero will get you at like 15-20 grams a day most the time. The only thing with sugar in it you should be eating is fruits and a tiny bit in spices. Sugar is moving backwards, don't do it unless you are good with your current weight and can make it up with exercise later.

Most fruit are fine, but avoid: Grapes, Pineapple, Mangos, Papayas, and I'd only eat 1 Banana a day at most. All these tropical type fruits contain concentrated sugar. Apples, Oranges, and Pears -- just having 1 for a snack between meals is the best way to eat fruit IMO.

The other big area of concern is Carbs. Most carbs you as an American are accustomed too are very fucking fating to inactive people. Anything with white flour is a no go for fat people. In shape people have to watch out not to overdo it as many of them know. Same goes for white rice, pasta, and most potatoes.

Sweet potatoes and Yams are really good for you. Any bread needs to be whole wheat -- that Daves Killer Bread power seed is the big corporate brand that comes to mind. Or Ezekial. Basically if it is whole wheat you can have it moderation -- bread, tortillas, Naan whatever. Brown rice is OK but probably not best more than once a day not everday. Pasta is probably best kept once in awhile -- even whole wheat pasta.
Beans are really good in general -- its slightly better to make dry beans yourself then constantly eating canned version.

Right there most people can lose weight just by avoiding those things and maybe allowing themselves to eat meats they were convinced were unhealthy. Any meat is fine as long as it isn't completely marbled with fat, or somehow processed. Some ham won't kill you but I wouldn't have it every morning. The best weight loss-wise is Fish, white meat chicken and turkey.

With seasonings, just don't add more then a tiny bit of sugar (usually in something like balsamic vinegar), and avoid adding excessive amounts of fat. Fat isn't the enemy -- you all heard the story of how "low-fat" stuff is unhealthy. But you shouldn't be using butter really. And you need to keep the oils used for stuff like salads and pan frying meats down. Getting PAM might not be a bad idea (or just a spray bottle for oil). Avocados are loaded with healthy fat...but still fat so keep that in mind.

For Weight loss, avoid cheese except for the low fat kinds (mozzarella, swiss, provolone). Check sugar count for yogurt -- I don't think yogurt is as healthy as they claim...lots of healthy people like it is all. I use some half and half in the morning. If I want milk -- I drink whole milk. But I try to avoid that too. Processed milk (2% blah blah) is loaded with sugar. A little sour cream is here and there is fine.

Meals look like:

Breakfast: Beans and eggs

Snack: Apple

Lunch: Big Salad with beans (Garbonzo and Dark Red Kidney)

Snack: Nuts with string cheese

(work out)

Dinner: Yam, Veggies with Turkey

This will be a little better than just hitting 2-3 meals a day...but do what you have to do to stay on diet. It's also better to not eat during the last part of the day (at least 3 hours before going to sleep).

If you want to lose weight quickly, you get your calories down to about 1300ish (for people 30+, 1500 for younger ones.) You got to make sure to eat at least that much to avoid metabolism drop off.

An hour a day of exercise will make your metabolism rise. Your muscles take calories to maintain themselves, so if you build muscle that will raise your metabolism. The best thing you can do as a fat guy or girl, is pick up strength training x3 times a week. Basically you need someone to show you how to:

Squat
Bench
Deadlift
Press
Pull up

The rest is individualized to the person's goals -- but if you don't do those you are missing the best exercises to build muscle mass. It takes like less than a hour 3 days a week to basically change your life -- and your not to old to do this if your under 70.

After 3 days a week for about 3 weeks they recommend a rest these days for 1 week (so you can basically keep slowly building forever without burn out). The days your aren't doing lifting you can should do a cardio for an hour. Start with elliptical then move up to treadmill. Stuff like rowing and stair master are good between days of running to avoid problems with your knees. Bikes are hard to get your heart rate up but they build unique muscle that will burn fat later. Planks are something that you can learn on youtube very easy that flaten your belly a bit -- working up to doing these 6 days a week 1-2 a day will give your all the definition you need for abs. The rest will be diet.

After you are the weight you want to be you eat more like 1800-2000 calories -- but the same kind of diet. Its good to offset all that emotional overeating you did before by sense of superiority over those that are fat. Particularly all those pricks in high school who where skinny when you were fat -- most of them will be fat now. This a great time to go get back at them.

I would like pics that show before and after of you to prove this works.

[skarlorn]

OP is right. Being fat = bad

[JurisDictum]

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat.

Yes, but make sure your eating at least 1300 for the best deficit math. You don't want to go down to 700 and put your metabolism on ice.

Also if you are only eating 1300 calories and not eating health foods...your going to feel starving all the time, your skin is going to get fucked up and its not healthy. You wont put on any muscle without enough protein.

So why it is calories stupid -- its also important to pay attention to what you spend those calories on.

[hyejin]

I've cured a few cases of fatness. The key is to grant the soul-dead with sex that they realize would be even more revelatory if they weren't fat slobs with glucose-shock-induced cheese brain. Once it realizes that real carnal joy is something you only get when you walk in God's light the heart of a glutton is real mighty.It just need a little guidance ^^

[loramin]

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat.

This.

Yes, but make sure your eating at least 1300 for the best deficit math. You don't want to go down to 700 and put your metabolism on ice.

Also if you are only eating 1300 calories and not eating health foods...your going to feel starving all the time, your skin is going to get fucked up and its not healthy. You wont put on any muscle without enough protein.

So why it is calories stupid -- its also important to pay attention to what you spend those calories on.
True, there is no magic simple rule for food, otherwise all food would have a score and things would be a lot easier. And yeah, protein and such matter too. But at the same time, if you're going to pick one metric for losing weight, pick calories. You 100% can eat crap, but watch your calories, and still lose weight: just look at that diet professor who lost 30 lbs. or whatever eating only McDonald's.

Also it's worth noting that the calorie recommendation numbers you mentioned will vary for others based on their height/weight/gender.

[Lhancelot]

Yes, but make sure your eating at least 1300 for the best deficit math. You don't want to go down to 700 and put your metabolism on ice.

Also if you are only eating 1300 calories and not eating health foods...your going to feel starving all the time, your skin is going to get fucked up and its not healthy. You wont put on any muscle without enough protein.

So why it is calories stupid -- its also important to pay attention to what you spend those calories on.

Cecily is right. It's understood people need to eat protein and a proper amount of calories according to body mass blah blah blah. You make it complicated.

Work more calories off than you put in = lose weight.

You fail to recognize in your comprehensive health post that some people have different types of bodies though, and also there really are legit reasons why a person may put too much weight on or not enough on even when following "normal" eating habits.

Your health post is well-meaning but seems to be more of a precise plan of healthy living that works for you, not at all broad-ranging for all the different types of people who are reading the posts here looking for helpful information regarding how they should eat/exercise properly.

Kudos to you though for having the discipline to eat and live healthily, assuming you follow this regimen.

You aren't Swish by chance, are you?

[JurisDictum]

BTW if you are extremely obese -- just try to do a few walks a day at 1 hr..i think its like 2 1/2 hours of walking a day will give you a lot of the same benefits more intense exercise can...not to mention you can't compare walking around as a 500 lbs guy to walking around as only a slightly overweight guy.

The more fat you have to lose the faster it goes. Eventually you will be light enough to do more rigorous cardio -- and you will be much more motivated when the time comes.

[Zade]

who eats beans for breakfast? damn brits

[Pokesan]

in proper quantities capsaicin can speed things along quickly enough to prevent calorie absorption

[Cecily]

How many quantities are we talking about?

[hyejin]

in proper quantities capsaicin can speed things along quickly enough to prevent calorie absorption

I don't believe you post a reference please.

[Pokesan]

I don't believe you post a reference please.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/4qj33h/when_i_get_diarrhea_30_minutes_after_eating_taco/

[JurisDictum]

You fail to recognize in your comprehensive health post that some people have different types of bodies though, and also there really are legit reasons why a person may put too much weight on or not enough on even when following "normal" eating habits.



Yea this mentality does a lot more harm than good. Never met a person that lost 100+ lbs that didn't think a lot of stupid shit about how they were uniquely destined to be fat because of their genes or some health problem.

I didn't eat different then kids around me -- I got fat..what's the solution? Well maybe we should work on kids body image and self esteem right? No -- fuck no.

The answer is always the same. Diet and exercise. We can sit around all we want and talk about why its unfair some kids get to eat ice cream and stay thin and others don't...but no matter how many health problems that kid has or how unfair it is, diet and exercise is the only way out.

And your eating god damn chicken teriyaki and coming up with some reason why "that doesn't work for Juris but it works for me" -- your full of shit. Either you don't have weight problems and never had, in which case -- welcome to the how to not be fat forum you don't belong here. Or that chicken teriyaki is why you can't see your dick.

Skinny people are always full of this kind of shit advice I might add. "What works for you" -- because everything works for them. They never had your problem, they can't help you solve it most the time -- unless they worked with a ton with people that did have that problem.

It doesn't matter what kind of body type you have. Sugar is bad. White flour is bad. Some people eat that shit and don't get fat -- nothing to do with us. They are invaribly less healthy than people that don't for what its worth.

Calories @ 1300...yea it depends but not much...its all kind of guesstimate anyway. If your like 50 they might say 1100...whatever -- use some common sense. This actually was meant to be kind of general -- don't eat sugar, white flour, and too much added oils or fats.

[Cecily]

I don't believe you post a reference please.

So I recently made nachos with a bunch of spicy habenero pickles. Bowel transit time: 12 hours. Much faster than normal for me.

[Lulz~Sect]

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[JurisDictum]

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These are the body types. Now something like 70% of men are Mesomorphs -- which means you can get fat and lose fat quickly. Endomorphs lose it slower...but mostly that last 30 lbs is a bitch for these poor guys. The trade off is they can get huge.

Something like 20% of motherfuckers out there -- that's 1 out of 5. Never ever has to worry about gaining weight. They tell these guys NOT to do cardo...it will ruin their strength training. And that's the trade off -- these poor guys have a hard time getting muscle.

Basically, there are too many god damn Ectomorphs out there, giving advice on how to stay thin to people that are mesomorphs and endomorphs...same with the bodybuilding world...too many Endomorphs explaining to ectomorphs how to get huge.

So that's where body type comes in the conversation. Basically you need to separate the problems ectomorphs have from Mesomorph and Endomorph. But even if you are Endomorph and lose slower...same diet same concept same results...slightly longer time frame.

[Patriam1066]

Thank you JD. Texas is a cool place but this message is needed down here. May god bless you, and may God bless America

[skarlorn]

Thank you JD. Texas is a cool place but this message is needed down here. May god bless you, and may God bless America

Brings a fucking tear to my eye :')

POST THIS MESSAGE IN GOLDEN CORRAL

I also like JurisDictum's note about Ectomorphs advising Endomorphs. I have been Ecto my whole life but since going into mid-late 20s I think my body is more of the DANKOMorph middle boy; now that I'm free of ulcerative colitis I look forward to getting back into exercise and muscle building. No matter what I did, for years, I couldn't tip past 170 mostly due to massive protein and bloodloss from ceaseless attempts to repair an ulcerated intestinal wall.

Gonna get thick, solid, tight.

*logs off to take a 2 hours walk*

[JurisDictum]

Brings a fucking tear to my eye :')

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I also like JurisDictum's note about Ectomorphs advising Endomorphs. I have been Ecto my whole life but since going into mid-late 20s I think my body is more of the DANKOMorph middle boy; now that I'm free of ulcerative colitis I look forward to getting back into exercise and muscle building. No matter what I did, for years, I couldn't tip past 170 mostly due to massive protein and bloodloss from ceaseless attempts to repair an ulcerated intestinal wall.

Gonna get thick, solid, tight.

*logs off to take a 2 hours walk*

See this is an example of a legitimate exception to why diet/strength programs might not work. In some rare cases a guy has a hole in his gut. Sorry about that.

Most the time the little prick just isn't drinking enough milk or eating enough protein though. What a strange problem to have.

Frank Zane is the classic example of a built guy with ectomorph body type. He's also a bit of a model though IMO.

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[Lhancelot]

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These are the body types. Now something like 70% of men are Mesomorphs -- which means you can get fat and lose fat quickly. Endomorphs lose it slower...but mostly that last 30 lbs is a bitch for these poor guys. The trade off is they can get huge.

Something like 20% of motherfuckers out there -- that's 1 out of 5. Never ever has to worry about gaining weight. They tell these guys NOT to do cardo...it will ruin their strength training. And that's the trade off -- these poor guys have a hard time getting muscle.

Basically, there are too many god damn Ectomorphs out there, giving advice on how to stay thin to people that are mesomorphs and endomorphs...same with the bodybuilding world...too many Endomorphs explaining to ectomorphs how to get huge.

So that's where body type comes in the conversation. Basically you need to separate the problems ectomorphs have from Mesomorph and Endomorph. But even if you are Endomorph and lose slower...same diet same concept same results...slightly longer time frame.

Glad you can admit my point and even follow up with an image of different body types.

Fact is whether you want to believe it or not, there really are people with health problems that can stymie their attempts at losing/gaining weight.

I mention gaining weight because you seem to think only overweight people need to address their unhealthiness which isn't entirely true as there are many people who are thin who are extremely unhealthy as well.

Why do overweight people draw the most attention when it comes to the picture of ill health? Is it because they are gigantic and easiest to target? No. I think there is a very negative stigma to being overweight that is unfair to them that thin people do not have to worry about.

Most of your points I agree with, I guess I just don't really care for the tone you deliver it in. I think calling people "fat" is rude and I personally prefer to use positive energy and direction not insults and namecalling to encourage others to change their ways.

[Cecily]

Yeah, that's wrong. Ty for input.

[JurisDictum]

I ate around 5k calories a day and lost 90 LBS in 4 months, calories have nothing to do with anything its all about CARBS

Stop eating wheat, period, replace all carb products with Lean meats and vegetables

switch your metabolism to eat your fat instead of carbs from your diet and you wont be hungry and will burn around a pound a day

do exercises that use large muscle groups with high intensity and once your hormones kick in your weight loss will too and you will feel great

This just goes to show you what the basics of avoiding sugar and bad carbs can do.

This is a paleo approuch that works for some people. Eat lots of meats, veggies, and fats. But -- basically no carbs except what your getting from the veggies and maybe some nuts or something.

Your body burns fat at like 9 calories per unit instead of carbs at 4 calories per unit (protein is 7 per unit). So essentially you can eat more if its mostly fat and protein...

I can't eat like that forever. And I like to splurge on a peice of pie for the holidays without throwing my whole system out of wack. I feel better eating less and eating carbs and having my body run off those carbs (some report the same, some the opposite).

That's the diet I can live on...and the key thing for everyone. What can you live on? If its this no carb style -- I say go for it. But I personally got sick of it after a year or 2 when I tried it at 18-19.

Edit: just remember before doing Paelo guys: no half-assing it. You can't eat too many carbs for it to work and should stay on it until you are the size you want to be.

[Cecily]

Ketosis diets just don't seem safe to me.

[Llandris]

Crossfit

[AzzarTheGod]

OP is right. Being fat = bad

[AzzarTheGod]

I've cured a few cases of fatness. The key is to grant the soul-dead with sex that they realize would be even more revelatory if they weren't fat slobs with glucose-shock-induced cheese brain. Once it realizes that real carnal joy is something you only get when you walk in God's light the heart of a glutton is real mighty.It just need a little guidance ^^

woke

[skarlorn]

https://i.imgur.com/u44fj9C.jpg

^ super secret slimming food folks eat literally all u can for a healthy heart and fit body

god bless vitamin k-2

[JurisDictum]

the real issue is sugar is hiding places people don't expect

like milk for example is 11g of sugar PER CUP

ketchup? BBQ Sauce? its like 4-8g of sugar per tsp

the average person may put 5 servings on a burger and eat fries with it

the excessive fats in my diet will keep you feeling satisfied and not hungry which is the #1 reason people who diet don't lose weight, because eventually your hunger will defeat you and you will snack on the wrong foods


And that brings me to one of the reasons I thought to bring all this shit up:
The big Washington food fight (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/26/food-lobby-consumer-tastes-washington-190528)

The Grocery Manufacturers Association is essentially falling apart. I think it's because elites are realizing they want skinny, stronger, better looking inferiors. So their done doing this game of hide-the-sugar and toxic preservatives.

See in the past they banned together -- if we all sell crap, then entire grocery store will be filled with crap! and everyone eats crap, therefore we don't have to stop selling crap. But then the defectors began to offer healthy options like whole wheat products.

Soon it will be a race to pander to all the health conscious 30 year old millennials. This is the fastest group of people signing up for the gym now btw. So if you want to be part of the better looking 40/50s crowd when you get there -- id get your ass to the gym.

[AzzarTheGod]

https://i.imgur.com/u44fj9C.jpg

^ super secret slimming food folks eat literally all u can for a healthy heart and fit body

god bless vitamin k-2

i buy kerry gold cheese, aged + chedder etc.

if u actually own that n its in ur possession ur a p woke dude.

[Pokesan]

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there's also fire type, which i am

[Llandris]

https://i.imgur.com/u44fj9C.jpg

^ super secret slimming food folks eat literally all u can for a healthy heart and fit body

god bless vitamin k-2

i put this in my coffee

[AzzarTheGod]

*daps Llandris*

[skarlorn]

llandirss on the woke shit. bulletproof coffee is the REAL DEAL.

I have eaten their cheese a lot Azzar, but honestly I think there are better cheddars out there. I eat so much of this butter that I don't really need the cheese as a supplement to my diet ;)

[AzzarTheGod]

llandirss on the woke shit. bulletproof coffee is the REAL DEAL.

I have eaten their cheese a lot Azzar, but honestly I think there are better cheddars out there. I eat so much of this butter that I don't really need the cheese as a supplement to my diet ;)

without going botique kerrygold the best mass produced product

[Pokesan]

butter in coffee sounds horrible

[Nagoya]

I am your typical "forever 126lbs no matter how much and what I eat" not sure what your technical term is, but I understand I am the enemy in this thread.

I have a question tho... I live in Japan right. And EVERYONE eats wheat, and flour, and every bad thing that was mentioned in this thread, and everyone is absolutely thin and tiny and sexy as hell.

I also happen to be born French, and we French people eat a loooot of cheese, bread, alcohol and everything you say is bad... and they're still mostly thin and small (and not so sexy but hey we can't have everything!)

Are American a different species? What's up with you guys? I see all these diets and advice and how to eat, and carbs this, calorie that, bad fat, good fat... why does every person talking about these things and knowing all these terms are always fat and everyone around me that is thin doesn't know shit about them ><

I realize my post is a bit condescending but it's a pain to rewrite it on my cell lol - however I want to conclude by saying it is actually a legit question... like I don't understand this whole trend of eating healthy and analysing everything that goes in your stomach when you see the countries where it is the most popular are the fattest countries and countries where nobody gives a fuck are the thinnest countries... what's going on?

[skarlorn]

butter in coffee sounds horrible

well, tell me how it feels being wrong?

[Pokesan]

well, tell me how it feels being wrong?

i think i feel pretty good, particularly in terms of arterial plaque

[JurisDictum]

After you are the weight you want to be you eat more like 1800-2000 calories -- but the same kind of diet.

Just want to point out:

1) double check all the numbers I give you for age/height etc

2) that number is for people that basically ran on the tredmil and are skinny now and dont want to be fat again. Muscular people that are gaining more muscle eat more. They tend to eat something like 3500 calories (in 30s) with lots of protein.

So if you have a love of eating, building muscle is your best path to eating a lot and being healthy at the same time.

[skarlorn]

Pokesan you're so ignorant in this matter I'm stunned. Look into Vitamin K2, which is in grass-fed butter. Look into the health benefits of Vitamin K2 for your arteries.

Christ... I hope I don't have to spell this out for you

[Pokesan]

i think butter is not a beverage

[AzzarTheGod]

I am your typical "forever 126lbs no matter how much and what I eat" not sure what your technical term is, but I understand I am the enemy in this thread.

I have a question tho... I live in Japan right. And EVERYONE eats wheat, and flour, and every bad thing that was mentioned in this thread, and everyone is absolutely thin and tiny and sexy as hell.

I also happen to be born French, and we French people eat a loooot of cheese, bread, alcohol and everything you say is bad... and they're still mostly thin and small (and not so sexy but hey we can't have everything!)

Are American a different species? What's up with you guys? I see all these diets and advice and how to eat, and carbs this, calorie that, bad fat, good fat... why does every person talking about these things and knowing all these terms are always fat and everyone around me that is thin doesn't know shit about them ><

I realize my post is a bit condescending but it's a pain to rewrite it on my cell lol - however I want to conclude by saying it is actually a legit question... like I don't understand this whole trend of eating healthy and analysing everything that goes in your stomach when you see the countries where it is the most popular are the fattest countries and countries where nobody gives a fuck are the thinnest countries... what's going on?

fat distribution and size of fat cells and amount of fat storage is genetic.

[Lulz~Sect]

PSA: tomato fat might actually not be fat

[skarlorn]

i think butter is not a beverage

https://i.imgur.com/lmLI59h.jpg

Check and Mate. Sorry it had to be such a rough defeat for u.

:o

[JurisDictum]

fat distribution and size of fat cells and amount of fat storage is genetic.

I don't take her word for it that no one ever thinks or gives a shit about health in France. I think they have more competent ministers in France that keep the school food better quality. And their parents have better portion control (that makes it so a lot of borderline cases don't get fat) and eat waaay less processed garbarge like Kraft dinner. As for Japan...lots of ectomorphs there and lots of exercise in their culture of health (which is a thing). Lots of fish, "super seniors"...I'm not all that surprised they aren't fat.

Some people are dealt a rough hand..the vast vast majority of very overweight people reading this can get within healthy BMI. The only difference between them and other people is how much crap food they get away with. For them: very little or zero.

And by crap food I mean stuff like sugar and carbs with no fiber in it and ridiculously large loads of fat. Because they overeat for their activity level and body type in the past -- they have to stay on restriction of calories to lose excess fat.

It works for damn near everyone. Unless you have a hole a stomach or are some 1/100,000 case or whatever. Even then I'm guessing its just a matter of addressing some health problem before you can get back on the path if you wanted.

So start wanting it.

[Lune]

My big fat college roommate used to keep a spray bottle full of melted butter on his desk and occasionally spray it in his mouth while he played games.

I knew he was onto some new health craze.

[JurisDictum]

My big fat college roommate used to keep a spray bottle full of melted butter on his desk and occasionally spray it in his mouth while he played games.

I knew he was onto some new health craze.

See what pisses me off is your college roommate can look like that fucking Orc warrior he is playing in WoW right now -- and doesn't know it. All he has to do is get on diet and sign up for one of those college weight training courses. Perfect way to learn the basics and enforce a work out schedule.

But instead he's going to come to some forum like this and bitch about his body type, genetics, and childhood. In its partly society's fault for allowing this kind of shit to continue.

[loramin]

I am your typical "forever 126lbs no matter how much and what I eat" not sure what your technical term is, but I understand I am the enemy in this thread.

I have a question tho... I live in Japan right. And EVERYONE eats wheat, and flour, and every bad thing that was mentioned in this thread, and everyone is absolutely thin and tiny and sexy as hell.

I also happen to be born French, and we French people eat a loooot of cheese, bread, alcohol and everything you say is bad... and they're still mostly thin and small (and not so sexy but hey we can't have everything!)

Are American a different species? What's up with you guys? I see all these diets and advice and how to eat, and carbs this, calorie that, bad fat, good fat... why does every person talking about these things and knowing all these terms are always fat and everyone around me that is thin doesn't know shit about them ><

I realize my post is a bit condescending but it's a pain to rewrite it on my cell lol - however I want to conclude by saying it is actually a legit question... like I don't understand this whole trend of eating healthy and analysing everything that goes in your stomach when you see the countries where it is the most popular are the fattest countries and countries where nobody gives a fuck are the thinnest countries... what's going on?

A) Americans are way more sedentary than the Japanese or French
B) Americans eat huge portions
C) Americans snack a lot between meals
D) American foods have tons of added sugar
E) Americans eat a lot of calorie-rich convenience food (eg. McDonald's)

[Cecily]

i think butter is not a beverage

Fat is a flavor enhancer so it makes sense that it might not be terrible, however I agree and think drinking butter sounds disgusting.

[AzzarTheGod]

Fat is a flavor enhancer so it makes sense that it might not be terrible, however I agree and think drinking butter sounds disgusting.

*twists telescopic lens on Cecily*

[skarlorn]

Go try some bulletproof coffee and then come back with your report.

[Cecily]

I'll see if I can find it this weekend.

[hyejin]

That fake margarine spread stuff is way tastier out of the tin than butter. ^^

[Rader]

Just stop stuffing sh!t in that hole under your nose, this isn't rocket science, duh.

[skarlorn]

there are a lot of holes below my nose such as the urethra

[Lulz~Sect]

LEWD

[JurisDictum]

This was on pintrest endomorph section:

9119

As you see, her muscles in her stomach are very big naturally -- it was probably key to her progress.

Endomorph women have to deal with a certain amount of BS because even when they are knock outs -- some (usually skinny dude) will claim they are fat. They have wide hyps that keep fat easy.

Find guys (or girls) that like that is all I can say. Focus on them -- they think you are way hotter than skinny girls. There is plenty of them that like big curves.

Unfortunately, the fashion industry that sell cloths -- which look best on hangers -- doesn't love you as much as those guys. So try to ignore them if you have this body type.

[Pokesan]

This was on pintrest endomorph section:

9119

As you see, her muscles in her stomach are very big naturally -- it was probably key to her progress.

Endomorph women have to deal with a certain amount of BS because even when they are knock outs -- some (usually skinny dude) will claim they are fat. They have wide hyps that keep fat easy.

Find guys (or girls) that like that is all I can say. Focus on them -- they think you are way hotter than skinny girls. There is plenty of them that like big curves.

Unfortunately, the fashion industry that sell cloths -- which look best on hangers -- doesn't love you as much as those guys. So try to ignore them if you have this body type.

slam whale holy grail

[Lojik]

I think a big part of the problem for fatties is also the fact that they do feel this stress and pressure to be in shape. Mentally they will beat themselves up over the fact that they know they should eat better and do this and that, then they get stressed and go back to behaviors that they think will reduce stress. People are notoriously bad at selecting stress relieving activities that actually work and tend to gravitate to ones that do nothing or make it worse (watching tv, drinking, eating, smoking, video games, gambling.)

Best thing to do if you desperately need to lose weight is to make 1 or 2 small changes and stick with them, maybe reevaluate after a few months or year if need be. Something like cutting out all soda/sugary drinks and incorporating a simple workout into your routine, could be something dumb like 10 minutes of walking or even a few minutes a day of meditation. Also don't beat yourself up if you break your diet or forget to exercise one day, because again that shit stresses you then you just say "fuck it I already broke my diet might as well go to popeyes and eat two buckets of fried chicken."

[skarlorn]

I think a big part of the problem for fatties is also the fact that they do feel this stress and pressure to be in shape. Mentally they will beat themselves up over the fact that they know they should eat better and do this and that, then they get stressed and go back to behaviors that they think will reduce stress. People are notoriously bad at selecting stress relieving activities that actually work and tend to gravitate to ones that do nothing or make it worse (watching tv, drinking, eating, smoking, video games, gambling.)

Best thing to do if you desperately need to lose weight is to make 1 or 2 small changes and stick with them, maybe reevaluate after a few months or year if need be. Something like cutting out all soda/sugary drinks and incorporating a simple workout into your routine, could be something dumb like 10 minutes of walking or even a few minutes a day of meditation. Also don't beat yourself up if you break your diet or forget to exercise one day, because again that shit stresses you then you just say "fuck it I already broke my diet might as well go to popeyes and eat two buckets of fried chicken."

I like where your head is at

[katrik]

I essentially starve myself for a few months every other year. It works.. haha. Would not recommend. I'd eat around 1k calories a day, all calories were protein based. You feel like shit but it melts off of you. It also took a huge toll on my mental health, and coming from someone who has never had mental problems, jesus. Probably a better way but w/e.

[hyejin]

I essentially starve myself for a few months every other year. It works.. haha. Would not recommend. I'd eat around 1k calories a day, all calories were protein based. You feel like shit but it melts off of you. It also took a huge toll on my mental health, and coming from someone who has never had mental problems, jesus. Probably a better way but w/e.

https://i.imgur.com/2gkFDxS.jpg

[Escalon]

OP, if you were fat and unhappy, and found a way to lose weight and worked really hard at it, and now you're thinner and feel better and are happy about it, that's great. And I can understand the desire to proselytize. Whenever people make big, difficult changes in their lives that make them happier, there's often that desire to spread it to others. That's why we all know that one super religious person who strikes up conversations about Jesus with complete strangers.

But you don't have to put other people down to make your point. And also, and I hope this would go without saying, anyone looking to lose weight should consult their doctor. Not advertisements. Not the internet. Not celebrities. Not books, even those with smiling men in lab coats on the front. And not forum posts tinged with some pretty severe lingering self-hatred.

More to the point, eating healthy is important, and it becomes increasingly important as you get older, but this is true of everyone regardless of weight. That skinny guy you know who eats sweets and spaghetti and deep fried whatever all the time and never gains a pound? Well, he might not be fat, but he definitely isn't healthy. The two aren't one in the same. In fact, diets which are successful at helping people lose weight can be dangerous to their health. Because as it turns out, weight and health aren't strongly correlated. Those low-carb, high-animal-protein diets, for instance, absolutely do help you lose weight. They're also terribly dangerous to your health (http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/746013/low-carbohydrate-diets-all-cause-cause-specific-mortality-two-cohort?volume=153&issue=5&page=289).

There's a lot (https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/adult_bmi/index.html) of bad science (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/weight-loss-does-not-lower-heart-disease-risk-type-2-diabetes) and outright quackery (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Food_woo) about health and weight flying around out there, because our society is obsessed with image, and it's easy to part frightened people from their money with promises of making the bad thing go away, so there are multibillion dollar industries designed to do just that. If you wanna lose weight, look into the actual science of health. Learn how to parse scientific abstracts. Read actual published papers from reputible health and science organizations. At the very least, don't trust anything anybody says if they're trying to sell you something.

Although you might wanna ask yourself why you want to lose weight in the first place. Look at OP for instance. The first thing he said was about physical attractiveness and sex. This suggests he probably isn't happy with his love life. I think he'll be disappointed to find, having lost weight, that his romantic woes won't suddenly disappear. Attraction is immutable, and personality and behavior counts for most of that. Women who rejected him before won't suddenly be attracted to him now that he's thinner. He probably assumed their rejection was due to his weight, but he'll find out soon enough that it wasn't.

...

Hmm. I wish society wasn't so obsessed with weight. It's sad to think that so many people are so distressed over something so unimportant.

[AzzarTheGod]

damn the whale here on that late nite tip hes falling back to old habits im worried about it.

[Csihar]

Gave you 5 stars for being a friend of the people.

[maskedmelon]

I am your typical "forever 126lbs no matter how much and what I eat" not sure what your technical term is, but I understand I am the enemy in this thread.

I have a question tho... I live in Japan right. And EVERYONE eats wheat, and flour, and every bad thing that was mentioned in this thread, and everyone is absolutely thin and tiny and sexy as hell.

I also happen to be born French, and we French people eat a loooot of cheese, bread, alcohol and everything you say is bad... and they're still mostly thin and small (and not so sexy but hey we can't have everything!)

Are American a different species? What's up with you guys? I see all these diets and advice and how to eat, and carbs this, calorie that, bad fat, good fat... why does every person talking about these things and knowing all these terms are always fat and everyone around me that is thin doesn't know shit about them ><

I realize my post is a bit condescending but it's a pain to rewrite it on my cell lol - however I want to conclude by saying it is actually a legit question... like I don't understand this whole trend of eating healthy and analysing everything that goes in your stomach when you see the countries where it is the most popular are the fattest countries and countries where nobody gives a fuck are the thinnest countries... what's going on?

aside from the radical differences in portion size and nutrient profile, the Japanese are steeped in a vitalising brew of discipline and conformity from childhood rather than the festering vat of dementing individualism and wanton liberty in which Americans are cultivated. the Japanese have neither the time nor inclination to lament the meaninglessness of their existence or arbitrarily fill their free time by stuffing their faces. and even if they do, destructive behavior is regulated by much more stringently qualified standards of social acceptance.

for weight, what one eats matters only insofar as how easy it is to overeat. eating large amounts of sugar leaves one feeling hungry sooner, increasing the likelihood of someone responding to their feelings to eat again sooner than they should. eating foods high in fat makes it easier to eat more calories in a single setting.

i think it makes sense that the people who would care most about an issue would be the ones who struggle greatest with it ^^

[JurisDictum]

Although you might wanna ask yourself why you want to lose weight in the first place. Look at OP for instance. The first thing he said was about physical attractiveness and sex. This suggests he probably isn't happy with his love life. I think he'll be disappointed to find, having lost weight, that his romantic woes won't suddenly disappear. Attraction is immutable, and personality and behavior counts for most of that. Women who rejected him before won't suddenly be attracted to him now that he's thinner. He probably assumed their rejection was due to his weight, but he'll find out soon enough that it wasn't.

...

Hmm. I wish society wasn't so obsessed with weight. It's sad to think that so many people are so distressed over something so unimportant.

I just want to point out -- gay men and women literally just have to get in shape to solve their (lack of) dating woes. It really is that simple.

Now you are right about straight male dating. Getting in shape isn't how you get a girlfriend. That is done through various courting strategies that involve approaching her and being comfortable enough in her presence. Some find their physical appearance helps the feeling comfortable enough part.

What getting in shape is really for when it comes to straight male dating: you can try your luck with more attractive girls. You go to the gym right? Well you can probably get a girl that goes to the gym and has a nicer body like you do. I hate to say it -- but its pretty easy to pick up chubby or homely rich girls as a good looking guy. Some guys make a living off that.

It just gives you more to work with. A lot of guys are happy losing weight when their older just to have better sex with their wife.

[Pokesan]

how can i help my friend who's gonna end up on a statin from consuming too much cholesterol?

[JurisDictum]

how can i help my friend who's gonna end up on a statin from consuming too much cholesterol?

Start eating beans and stop eating red meat, shrimp, and cheese. Oatmeal can help but its high carbs.

This butter craze is no good IMO. I'm sure if vitamin K is a thing a tbsp or so on toast is all you would actually need anyway. Or use it on some other food like sweet potato.

There are 100 calories in a 1 Tablespoon (14 Grams) serving of Kerrygold Grass-fed Butter (Unsalted

So for every spoonful of the stuff your talking 100 empty calories save this supposedly wonderful vitamin K . It's all saturated fat which isn't the healthiest fat and has cholesterol in it.

Edit: Other good sources include egg yolks, goose liver and natto - a fermented soy-based dish

I'd just eat 2 eggs most days and skip the butter. Seems like a lot those guys that lived to be 100 did that.

[Lhancelot]

I am your typical "forever 126lbs no matter how much and what I eat" not sure what your technical term is, but I understand I am the enemy in this thread.

I have a question tho... I live in Japan right. And EVERYONE eats wheat, and flour, and every bad thing that was mentioned in this thread, and everyone is absolutely thin and tiny and sexy as hell.

I also happen to be born French, and we French people eat a loooot of cheese, bread, alcohol and everything you say is bad... and they're still mostly thin and small (and not so sexy but hey we can't have everything!)

Are American a different species? What's up with you guys? I see all these diets and advice and how to eat, and carbs this, calorie that, bad fat, good fat... why does every person talking about these things and knowing all these terms are always fat and everyone around me that is thin doesn't know shit about them ><

I realize my post is a bit condescending but it's a pain to rewrite it on my cell lol - however I want to conclude by saying it is actually a legit question... like I don't understand this whole trend of eating healthy and analysing everything that goes in your stomach when you see the countries where it is the most popular are the fattest countries and countries where nobody gives a fuck are the thinnest countries... what's going on?

What I have seen is cultural differences play a part with a countries overall health. For instance in Russia people commonly eat meats, cheese, breads, fish, drink alcohol, they even favor high fat content in their milk as it tastes creamier and better. They do not count calories or worry about carbs or follow fancy diet plans either. Why are Russians so fit looking and in shape?

What I found was they drink green teas commonly, they also tend to walk a lot! Not just out of necessity either, but out of habit. After a meal, families often walk in the evening time... Americans seem to not have many healthy habits like this, it's almost as if the USA has taken all the unhealthy habits from all the different cultures it has absorbed and tends to follow those.

Another facet to the weight problem in the USA I believe has to do with the processed foods we consume. I have not researched this, because I'd probably never eat anything we buy in the stores here again, but I am sure chemicals/preservatives/genetically modified organisms/etc. contribute to the health problems Americans have starting with their food supply.

Another thing is in other countries there simply isn't nearly the market the USA has for restaurants! In every city of the USA, there are literally hundreds perhaps thousands of restaurants! These restaurants also serve gigantic portions, another cultural difference between the USA and other countries. My experience is that the average foreigner simply doesn't consume the amount of food Americans commonly do.

[Raavak]

iifym

[JurisDictum]

When your doing cardio you should keep in mind there is a Heart Rate (number dependent on age) that is telling you how hard to are working. Listen to you body -- but the HR is a good reference point if you are just being a bitch or if you are going psycho.

For early 30s

its like 140-160 is moderate to moderately high intensity exercise...you want about 30 mins of this. Look up what it is for you (its on the machines a lot of times) and try to obtain this HR range for at least 15-20 mins. It can be problematic to weight loss to do too much exercise in this zone though.

In addition you can do some time in the fat burn zone. I would say 15-25 mins. Fat burn zone is like 125-139 for early 30s and will burn calories. The intensity will be low enough for you to talk to someone if you wanted to -- or pay attention well to T.V. etc.

This way you can do a full hour -- get aerobic conditioning in and burn maximum calories -- without getting into that long distance conditioning stuff. I hear that can slow weight loss down a lot toward the end of you de-fatening.

so to recap:

5 mins warm up
5 mins fat burn
30 mins aerobic
20 mins fat burn

or something like that. You just modify the setting of the machine you are on. For example: I tend to go up in intensity for 2.5 mins, up again 2.5 mins, down for 2.5 mins, down for 2.5 mins, up... etc. And by up and down I mean mostly incline but also speed. This keeps heart rate up but prevents it from slowly overloading constant high settings.

Obviously if you are just getting started -- you don't burn yourself out trying to run an hour out of no where. Start with 30 mins -- or AT LEAST 20. Try to get the speed up to like 5.0 for most people. You can slowly increase everyday until you are working off way more fat than most around you. Unless you become a running addict you should probably not buy into the "take it easy" mantra. Just be age appropriate.

[Lojik]

When your doing cardio you should keep in mind there is a Heart Rate (number dependent on age) that is telling you how hard to are working. Listen to you body -- but the HR is a good reference point if you are just being a bitch or if you are going psycho.

For early 30s

its like 140-160 is moderate to moderately high intensity exercise...you want about 30 mins of this. Look up what it is for you (its on the machines a lot of times) and try to obtain this HR range for at least 15-20 mins. It can be problematic to weight loss to do too much exercise in this zone though.

In addition you can do some time in the fat burn zone. I would say 15-25 mins. Fat burn zone is like 125-139 for early 30s and will burn calories. The intensity will be low enough for you to talk to someone if you wanted to -- or pay attention well to T.V. etc.

This way you can do a full hour -- get aerobic conditioning in and burn maximum calories -- without getting into that long distance conditioning stuff. I hear that can slow weight loss down a lot toward the end of you de-fatening.

so to recap:

5 mins warm up
5 mins fat burn
30 mins aerobic
20 mins fat burn

or something like that. You just modify the setting of the machine you are on. For example: I tend to go up in intensity for 2.5 mins, up again 2.5 mins, down for 2.5 mins, down for 2.5 mins, up... etc. And by up and down I mean mostly incline but also speed. This keeps heart rate up but prevents it from slowly overloading constant high settings.

Obviously if you are just getting started -- you don't burn yourself out trying to run an hour out of no where. Start with 30 mins -- or AT LEAST 20. Try to get the speed up to like 5.0 for most people. You can slowly increase everyday until you are working off way more fat than most around you. Unless you become a running addict you should probably not buy into the "take it easy" mantra. Just be age appropriate.

I think it's something like 80-90% of weight loss/workout regimens either fail or people revert back to their old weight (or even get worse.) The problem is people try to do too much at once. If you're fatty mcfat and you haven't ran a mile without walking since you were...never...then you're not going to be successful suddenly doing a strict hour routine of working out everyday and only subsisting on kale smoothies, at least in the long run. Start small, do it often, and be as positive as you can be. Just substituting 1 cocacola per day with a glass of water over 1 year, 140 calories *365 /3500 calories = 14.6 pounds in a year. Let's say you walk a mile a day too. 100 calorie (estimate) *365/3500 = another 10.4 pounds. Thats 25 pounds in a year doing very little.

If you're only slightly overweight, I'd still start pretty small but work up the changes little by little. It's more important to get in the habit of doing it everyday than trying to find the ideal workout. Successfully losing weight is the exception, not the rule.

[Raavak]

HIIT is recommended more for its longer duration metabolism boost than low steady cardio. At least this year it was, not sure what the new fad might be.

[JurisDictum]

HIIT is recommended more for its longer duration metabolism boost than low steady cardio. At least this year it was, not sure what the new fad might be.

You can do cardo right pretty easy. I hear HITT is again, one of those things you do to get the last 15-30 lbs off and get your abs raging etc...It is unquestionably more intense and probably rewards accordingly. HITT is really good for the guy bitching about running being "boring." He can get his cardo in like 25 mins instead of an hour and have a lot more fun and a better work out. But that guy is already jacked.

If you can't do stuff like un-assisted pull-ups and 50 push ups at once...chances are your going to have a really hard time just doing a HITT program without failing every stage .Doesn't mean you wasted time -- its just rough and arguably worse than doing less intensity right.

HITT I think is the kind of training they do in the military. No expert but that's what it seems like. It will make you generally more atheletic and strong as a person. But I heard that its not necessarily good to be doing this kind of jumping from high intensity to rest for 35+ year old men.

That's a brand spanking new study -- but it appears that HITT might be more of a young mans game (or women oddly).

[mickmoranis]

best way to not be fat is to make healthcare a luxury.

[Raavak]

That's a brand spanking new study -- but it appears that HITT might be more of a young mans game (or women oddly).I dunno, https://startingstrength.com/author/jordan-feigenbaum seems to like it for anyone wanting to burn extra calories.

When I'm losing/gaining I personally just track my food intake on myfitnesspal.com and make sure I have a deficit/excess. Just doing it a while you get pretty educated on how much simple junk adds up fast in calories, and how you can eat some stuff all day and not gain.

[Kimmie]

young dietitian

[Patriam1066]

What is HITT

No I won't google it

[maskedmelon]

What is HITT

No I won't google it

high intensity interval training. it where you liek try to make your heart explode in 5 different ways as quickly as possible before you suffer muscle failure.

[JurisDictum]

What is HITT

No I won't google it

High Intensity Interval Training -- The main thing it refers to: doing stuff like a bunch of push-ups and squats at 100% effort to get your heart rate really high. Then rest, then do some other variation of exercise to jack that heart rate up again. Then rest...for up to like a half hour before anyone seriously doing it would be grateful for the end.

You can half ass it easy if not careful though. Like most in-shape 20-somethings seemed to be when I was in college. It's like they might as well have ran for 25 mins for how hard they worked.

HITT with any kind of barbell training...for extremely advanced fitness nuts only IMO. If you are trying to get starting muscle, you want to be focused on lifting the damn weight and getting your muscles bigger. Not your cardio intermixed with weight training.

But I tend to be of the mind set -- bigger muscles are generally what are going to make you look better (unless your already extremely muscular). Now once you get to a certain point HITT/Cossfit style seems to be the way to develop a kind of smaller-framed athletic physic that many find more appealing than larger framed builder types.

This is because if you bench press every workout -- you might have a less "well rounded" look than people that use alternative exercises for the chest. But It will probably still be bigger and you still lift more -- in some since you are just plain stronger than the crossfit guy in your exact situation -- he is more flexible instead and has higher endurance.

That's basically the debate. Is it better to constantly vary or not? I tend to like small amount of variation with a lot of the same basic ones. I think everyone should probably start that way even if variation is their more advanced method.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Exercise 30 minutes or so every day, pig out for breakfast and lunch but don't eat dinner, and eat lots of hot sauce. All this other nonsense about what foods to eat/avoid is a bunch of idiocy, I never have to worry about gaining weight.

[Cecily]

Could do the same thing with skipping breakfast. As I understand it, the important thing with intermittent fasting is the 16 hour break between meals. You get to eat more calories per meal while not going over your target intake. That's basically what you're doing and long as you're not a complete hog...

I haven't implemented that into my lifestyle yet, but the idea of keeping your insulin from spiking all day long when you eat throughout the day like Americans do makes quite a bit of sense. Anyone else have good results with this?

[AzzarTheGod]

high intensity interval training. it where you liek try to make your heart explode in 5 different ways as quickly as possible before you suffer muscle failure.

Stern cringe

[Ivah]

Could do the same thing with skipping breakfast. As I understand it, the important thing with intermittent fasting is the 16 hour break between meals. You get to eat more calories per meal while not going over your target intake. That's basically what you're doing and long as you're not a complete hog...

I haven't implemented that into my lifestyle yet, but the idea of keeping your insulin from spiking all day long when you eat throughout the day like Americans do makes quite a bit of sense. Anyone else have good results with this?
Everyone is different but this does work. I prefer a 10\14 due to my metabolism but I can also eat 4-6k+ calories a day. I've gotten good results from a 4\20 also eating 3-4k. Just have to try and modify based on what your body responds to.

[Ahldagor]

A lot of marketing jargon in here. Strict diabetic diet, and your body will normalize over time. Avoid fructose, and exercise mildly.

[Lhancelot]

A lot of marketing jargon in here. Strict diabetic diet, and your body will normalize over time. Avoid fructose, and exercise mildly.

That's all I see, too. ^

I aint saying it's useless information but like the person from France touched on, "why do Americans do this?" Good question. Why are Americans the most obese, and why do they have all these complicated dieting plans?

Much of the dieting information shared in this thread has been dessiminated via marketing plans/scams created not to make people healthy but to make the marketers billions of dollars. Which they do.

The ideas behind these specialized diets are just taking rudimentary knowledge and complicating it by adding a bunch of intellectual sounding jargon to make people think they are smart when they read it and share it.

That's why the semi-snarky comment Cecily made in the very beginning actually is the soundest advice; burn more than you put in. That's really as simple and true as you can get when it comes to keeping a healthy weight for a normal healthy person. It goes without saying, you should eat the proper amount of protein, and veggies, etc. for optimal health. Avoiding processed sugars is always a healthy idea too.

[Lojik]

That's all I see, too. ^

I aint saying it's useless information but like the person from France touched on, "why do Americans do this?" Good question. Why are Americans the most obese, and why do they have all these complicated dieting plans?


A lot, I think, stems from the late 70's low fat craze where low fat (and consequently higher sugar) items are pushed, in addition to the workout craze being pushed. Not only did people start eating foods that were worse for them, but with the fitness craze people became bombarded with this idea that if you were slightly overweight you were lazy and useless, increasing stress, and pushing people to overeat even more. There's no doubt that if you can stick to a eating regimen and workout routine like JD laid out you can lose weight, but statistics say that the average person in the USA just can't do it.

[maskedmelon]

Could do the same thing with skipping breakfast. As I understand it, the important thing with intermittent fasting is the 16 hour break between meals. You get to eat more calories per meal while not going over your target intake. That's basically what you're doing and long as you're not a complete hog...

I haven't implemented that into my lifestyle yet, but the idea of keeping your insulin from spiking all day long when you eat throughout the day like Americans do makes quite a bit of sense. Anyone else have good results with this?

i am currently on an 18/6 split, but have done 20/4 and 23/1 too before and the thing i like most about it is how clear my head is in the morning until i have my meal. it liek makes me super sharp. i am not trying to lose weight though (currently happy with my body fat percentage) im just doing it to feel better ^^ always feels liek it gives me more energy and stuff ^^

[Lhancelot]

i am currently on an 18/6 split, but have done 20/4 and 23/1 too before and the thing i like most about it is how clear my head is in the morning until i have my meal. it liek makes me super sharp. i am not trying to lose weight though (currently happy with my body fat percentage) im just doing it to feel better ^^ always feels liek it gives me more energy and stuff ^^

What is this, explain it. -----> 18/6 split.

[Jimjam]

I like having first breakfast when I wake, something simple like a round of toast. I'll then have second breakfast for some porridge with salted butter and a couple of handfuls of berries. Third breakfast will be something cooked or a cold meat/cheese spread. I sometimes skip third breakfast, but I will normally have a fruit after that for fourth breakfast. Bananas are great.

At this point it is time for elevensies, usually a hot drink and perhaps some toast with fruit spread, a small cake or occasionally something savoury if I am out of the house.

Lunch is used to load up on veg, but with some meat or eggs too. A fruit based pudding with a side of icecream is usual. Afternoon tea means another hot drink and some sandwiches or cake.

Dinner or supper next, depending on the size of lunch. Either curry or chilly with rice, or something more like a salad, possibly with soup and sandwich. Usually followed by a light treat, such as fruited yoghurt or moose.

Evening snacks might be some corn crisps and some wine or fruit cordial.

During the day avoid sitting down, try to keep moving.

[Raavak]

Meth makes for a good diet too.

[Cecily]

What is this, explain it. -----> 18/6 split.

6 hour eating window. 18 hours not eating. Intermittent fasting.

[Cecily]

i am currently on an 18/6 split, but have done 20/4 and 23/1 too before and the thing i like most about it is how clear my head is in the morning until i have my meal. it liek makes me super sharp. i am not trying to lose weight though (currently happy with my body fat percentage) im just doing it to feel better ^^ always feels liek it gives me more energy and stuff ^^

Studies have shown that effect in women. I'll link you a YouTube vid on it when I get off work.

[maskedmelon]

What is this, explain it. -----> 18/6 split.

i have zero caloric intake for 18 consecutive hours each day. So I'll eat a meal around 10:00 and have a snack no later than 4:00pm ^^

[Pokesan]

I like having first breakfast when I wake, something simple like a round of toast. I'll then have second breakfast for some porridge with salted butter and a couple of handfuls of berries. Third breakfast will be something cooked or a cold meat/cheese spread. I sometimes skip third breakfast, but I will normally have a fruit after that for fourth breakfast. Bananas are great.

At this point it is time for elevensies, usually a hot drink and perhaps some toast with fruit spread, a small cake or occasionally something savoury if I am out of the house.

Lunch is used to load up on veg, but with some meat or eggs too. A fruit based pudding with a side of icecream is usual. Afternoon tea means another hot drink and some sandwiches or cake.

Dinner or supper next, depending on the size of lunch. Either curry or chilly with rice, or something more like a salad, possibly with soup and sandwich. Usually followed by a light treat, such as fruited yoghurt or moose.

Evening snacks might be some corn crisps and some wine or fruit cordial.

During the day avoid sitting down, try to keep moving.

https://i.imgur.com/ymMtr.jpg

[Whirled]

https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting

[JurisDictum]

The reason I would be reluctant is because I hear that fasting can trigger the dreaded metabolic slowdown where you hang on to fat and metabolism slows (energy drops too). But if its a whole well-researched method that's working for people -- more power to them.

Despite weird claims I'm handing out marketing advice -- I mostly keep it pretty conservative and non-trendy for diets. This is after doing Atkins as a young adult and finally falling off the wagon.

The conservative way to do it -- is to just eat what you need to get the your nutrients and metabolism up (depends on age but around 1300 usually). If your doing this -- it will be extremely hard to eat anything like Spaghetti or Frenchbread or Both. It just takes too much calories for something that doesn't give you nutrients or fill you up. You will feel like eating a lot more white dinner rolls than the 100% whole wheat version.

IN ADDITION -- White (White Rice*, Potatos, Pasta) flour gives energy spikes. Whole wheat bread by contrast will not spike your blood sugar as much. Small meals 5-6 times a day has been shown to keep most people's energy relatively steady. This is all important because it prevents hunger spikes and weird emotional outbursts. Personally I wouldn't eat tons of bad carbs even I could get away with it because it makes it hard to keep your fiber right. Which means its hard to keep dry regular stools. Which means now that whole area is fucked up.

This intermittent fasting sounds like a bad one if you ever want to strength train for big muscles though (therefore probably bad for Endomorphs). You want your body to be absorbing protein as much as possible -- it can only take in so much at once. I'm going to go ahead and guess you don't see a lot of football players or bodybuilders on this one.

*White Rice is the lowest carbs out of all the big white empty carbs. So I think its OK in moderation for In-shape people. Just not for weight loss.

[hyejin]

going 16 hours without food is the worst idea ever

you need to eat frequently to increase your metabolic rate to start eating fat off your body

Cecily knows nothing

I'm 1 meal a day, no snacks, between 22 and 26 hour fasts, and nobody questions my diet when they're with me in person :)

[Nibblewitz]

Has anyone mentioned fiber yet?

[JurisDictum]

Has anyone mentioned fiber yet?

I just did in my last post. Essentially fiber can be viewed as canceling out some of the carbs you just eat. The reason whole grain breads are better than White flour or "Multi-grain" (that means white flour + whole grains). That and a few other nutrients.

Fiber is something to think about on a macro level as well. Am I eating a bunch of meat and potatos? Where is the fiber coming from? Better be eating things like beans and salads too.

It's best to balance the foods out so that foods that lack fiber are balanced by those that have "extra fiber"

Fruit -- has enough fiber to take care of itself but not carry the load for the rest of your diet...for example. Beans are extremely good for adding extra fiber foods though. Veggies tend to have a surplus of fiber -- not as much as beans usually. Flaxseed oil is popular for salads because its extra fiber.

[Lojik]

Has anyone mentioned fiber yet?

omega somethings

[hyejin]

I'm 1 meal a day, no snacks, between 22 and 26 hour fasts, and nobody questions my diet when they're with me in person :)

expounding on this: a diet and its long-term maintenance are as much about the manipulation of emotional state as the exploitation of biochemical mechanics. If I stagger my meals out, this level of caloric intake is painful and distracting. Put down your fedora and realize counterintuitive dietary behaviors can work and generate advantages like melon has described too.

turns so you see profile view and points at tummy with both hands like in that Abu Ghraib photo

[Nibblewitz]

I think there is also something to said about moral fiber.

[JurisDictum]

More and more people have anal sex. Which means you they don't what sticky shit in their rectum. This is what they sell gay guys and increasingly, women:

9125

Lazy mother fuckers...Just stop eating shit and you wont have to take some dubious supplement that blocks on vitamin absorption for months. Do you want to look like your on crystal meth or something?

This is kind of crap I would avoid. Anything that's a pill is either a drug or something worse. You want to be healthy and stop being fat permanently right? This isn't like a deadline you meet its a lifestyle change you have to stick with -- forever...or its back to being fat.

[hyejin]

I found that post gross. I never liked Ren and Stimpy either. :(

[Lhancelot]

going 16 hours without food is the worst idea ever

you need to eat frequently to increase your metabolic rate to start eating fat off your body

https://i.imgur.com/LGFICpk.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

More and more people have anal sex. Which means you they don't what sticky shit in their rectum. This is what they sell gay guys and increasingly, women:

9125

Lazy mother fuckers...Just stop eating shit and you wont have to take some dubious supplement that blocks on vitamin absorption for months. Do you want to look like your on crystal meth or something?

This is kind of crap I would avoid. Anything that's a pill is either a drug or something worse. You want to be healthy and stop being fat permanently right? This isn't like a deadline you meet its a lifestyle change you have to stick with -- forever...or its back to being fat.


pretty dumb they are selling a mega fiber supplement under a special label but smart. Wish I thought of it.

it must cost a fuckload though because its high dose fiber im assuming taken multiple times a day. fiber at CVS is like 30 bucks for a small bottle.

And yea, the amount of fiber you need to take to be "pure" is ridiculously high...

You are right that suggesting fiber overload to be clear is basically denying yourself nutrition since fiber blocks almost all nutrient absorption aside from glucose. And if the glucose isn't in liquid form you might miss that too....

ALSO dangerous. Read hospital reports on fiber damage/fiber complications. Not just any idiot can take a shitload of fiber. You can potentially kill yourself if you have weak intestinal muscles or narrow spots or diverticulitis. Many ER incident reports involve a patient taking fiber thinking he was doing something healthy. Instead now hes on the operating table.

this product is def not whale approved.

[skarlorn]

*quickscopes the retards in this thread*

BLYAT BLYAT BLYAT

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/LGFICpk.gif

Haha good one.

Lots of people use intermittent fasting with success. I did a couple years ago, watching Greg "Kinobody" Youtube vids, or I think Dr Sarah Solomon pushes it too.

It takes a lot longer than 16 hours of fasting to slow your metabolism. I think its several days of severe (less than, say, 75% TDEE) restricted calories to do so.

Meal timing seems a big deal among serious lifters (I don't know about other sports that well). Eating 6+ meals. You have to be conscious to have like 2 hours between meals as well. Constantly eating (digesting) is not healthy either.

[Lhancelot]

Haha good one.

Lots of people use intermittent fasting with success. I did a couple years ago, watching Greg "Kinobody" Youtube vids, or I think Dr Sarah Solomon pushes it too.

It takes a lot longer than 16 hours of fasting to slow your metabolism. I think its several days of severe (less than, say, 75% TDEE) restricted calories to do so.

Meal timing seems a big deal among serious lifters (I don't know about other sports that well). Eating 6+ meals. You have to be conscious to have like 2 hours between meals as well. Constantly eating (digesting) is not healthy either.

Yes. I fasted for 36 hours longest I ever went without food which isn't very long compared to some, but, it was interesting.

After 24 hours of no food my mind started to race a bit. I was drinking water during this food fast, but ingesting nothing else.

I then started to feel weak at about 30 hours of no food and by 36 hours I said F it and started to eat again.

I'd like to go longer some day, I just want to experience what it feels like with no food for a week or longer. ot sure if I could do it though.

[Jimjam]

I fasted for a similar amount of time, but the truth is I was on a massive come down from a huge warehouse party.

Ended up having a chest infection for a month and needed antibiotics, LOL.

[Jimjam]

Well, seeing as it was an illegal rave. I'd find it hard to believe many of the people there weren't.

Edit: Getting really ill was an effective way to lose weight though. And I didn't have a tonne of spare weight to shed either. Best of times / worst of times.

[Jimjam]

Nah, it's all dancey MaDMan medicine, some of the guys would K Horse after, but I'm not into Hole.

Thanks for the concern and knowledge, though. This was not a thing I was aware of!

[skarlorn]

drugs are bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbaaaad ;)

[Lhancelot]

I fasted for a similar amount of time, but the truth is I was on a massive come down from a huge warehouse party.

Ended up having a chest infection for a month and needed antibiotics, LOL.

You decided to fast after a drug-fueled rave party to cleanse the drugs from your system? :eek:

I read about water fasting and it piqued my curiosity tbh. I really wanted to see how hard it would be mentally to not eat. Honestly I found it not that difficult and whenever I started to get hungry I drank water.

I actually found myself feeling bored though, I was surprised how often my body/mind seemed to want to eat not so much because I felt hungry, but just because. I really felt like I was programmed to eat out of habit more than for necessity at times.

I watched a guy on youtube that went into great detail why he did it, and how it affected him as he went through a 30 day water fast with no food the entire time. Besides losing weight, he had scar tissue heal and disappear, and what I found most interesting was how he described his mental process that changed. By this time if he had any parasites inside his gut, they would have died too.

Supposedly people have even slowed cancer/cured cancer by water fasting. The idea is the body absorbs/eats the cancer cells as it would fat cells.

[Jimjam]

Yea, fortunately I now actually value my physical and mental wellbeing and don't associate with those crowds anymore (well besides all the massive drugs addicts on p99).

It's nice being satisfied with life instead of stuck in a pit of emptiness. I'm not even sure how I broke out.

@ lhance newp, just a couple days of being completely unable to eat (accompanied by mucho vomiting).

Actually, this may be the reason I can't drink more than 3 pints these days without being hideously, hideously hung over for 24 hours starting from 12 hours after I finish drinking.

Don't overdo the boozywoozy.

Edit: interesting stuff on the fasting Lhance! I feel sorry for those of the Islamic faith living on polar regions when ramadam is in summer. Dang! That's a lot of ice chips to eat for 40 days.

[Lhancelot]

Yea, fortunately I now actually value my physical and mental wellbeing and don't associate with those crowds anymore (well besides all the massive drugs addicts on p99).

It's nice being satisfied with life instead of stuck in a pit of emptiness. I'm not even sure how I broke out.

@ lhance newp, just a couple days of being completely unable to eat (accompanied by mucho vomiting).

Actually, this may be the reason I can't drink more than 3 pints these days without being hideously, hideously hung over for 24 hours starting from 12 hours after I finish drinking.

Don't overdo the boozywoozy.

Edit: interesting stuff on the fasting Lhance! I feel sorry for those of the Islamic faith living on polar regions when ramadam is in summer. Dang! That's a lot of ice chips to eat for 40 days.

Yes for the ones that actually follow Ramadan. :p

[skarlorn]

Yea, fortunately I now actually value my physical and mental wellbeing and don't associate with those crowds anymore (well besides all the massive drugs addicts on p99).

It's nice being satisfied with life instead of stuck in a pit of emptiness. I'm not even sure how I broke out.

@ lhance newp, just a couple days of being completely unable to eat (accompanied by mucho vomiting).

Actually, this may be the reason I can't drink more than 3 pints these days without being hideously, hideously hung over for 24 hours starting from 12 hours after I finish drinking.

Don't overdo the boozywoozy.

Edit: interesting stuff on the fasting Lhance! I feel sorry for those of the Islamic faith living on polar regions when ramadam is in summer. Dang! That's a lot of ice chips to eat for 40 days.

You overcame it the same way I did. By experiencing the wholesome joy of a halfling warrior.

[Jimjam]

Yes, it is probably the Rivervale theme irrevocably burnt into my mind which did it.

[Mead]

I ate around 5k calories a day and lost 90 LBS in 4 months, calories have nothing to do with anything its all about CARBS

Stop eating wheat, period, replace all carb products with Lean meats and vegetables

switch your metabolism to eat your fat instead of carbs from your diet and you wont be hungry and will burn around a pound a day

do exercises that use large muscle groups with high intensity and once your hormones kick in your weight loss will too and you will feel great

Unless you're a professional athelete, there's no way you took in 5k calories a day and lost 90 lbs.

This just goes to show you what the basics of avoiding sugar and bad carbs can do.

This is a paleo approuch that works for some people. Eat lots of meats, veggies, and fats. But -- basically no carbs except what your getting from the veggies and maybe some nuts or something.

Your body burns fat at like 9 calories per unit instead of carbs at 4 calories per unit (protein is 7 per unit). So essentially you can eat more if its mostly fat and protein...

I can't eat like that forever. And I like to splurge on a peice of pie for the holidays without throwing my whole system out of wack. I feel better eating less and eating carbs and having my body run off those carbs (some report the same, some the opposite).

That's the diet I can live on...and the key thing for everyone. What can you live on? If its this no carb style -- I say go for it. But I personally got sick of it after a year or 2 when I tried it at 18-19.

Edit: just remember before doing Paelo guys: no half-assing it. You can't eat too many carbs for it to work and should stay on it until you are the size you want to be.

If you agreed with his post, which is looks like you did, then you don't know what you're talking about either. Calories absolutely matter. Fat, protein, and carbs are just forms of energy. The shit is converted to fat when you don't use it. Basic science.

I do appreciate the motivation to educate others on diet and exercise, but you need to be careful what you put out there, because of a lot of this information is simply not accurate. And just like on facebook, people will believe shit on the internet without doing their own research.

[JurisDictum]

Unless you're a professional athelete, there's no way you took in 5k calories a day and lost 90 lbs.



If you agreed with his post, which is looks like you did, then you don't know what you're talking about either. Calories absolutely matter. Fat, protein, and carbs are just forms of energy. The shit is converted to fat when you don't use it. Basic science.

The forms of energy matter though. When your body is only burning fat -- it burns more calories. That isn't a normal state for most people so they are always or almost-always burning carbohydrate calories.

So essentially your body will be able to process 2600 calories like it was 1300 (just a guesstimate from a non-professional). Not to mention you would have a higher rate of static calories being burnt for the caloric deficit math.

I did lose like 50+ ;lbs on atkins eating lots of calories a day and not even exercising -- but I never got completely "thin" that way. But I'm sure if I restricted calories and stayed on it with exercise -- it would have worked. I've seen it work for others.

BTW: if he was 500 lbs and lost 90 -- its not really the same as if he was 270 and lost 90. Also -- we have no idea what his previous diet was like. Finally, you don't seem to acknowledge ketosis is a thing. It is.

[Mead]

The forms of energy matter though. When your body is only burning fat -- it burns more calories. That isn't a normal state for most people so they are always or almost-always burning carbohydrate calories.

So essentially your body will be able to process 2600 calories like it was 1300 (just a guesstimate from a non-professional). Not to mention you would have a higher rate of static calories being burnt for the caloric deficit math.

I did lose weight on atkins eating lots of calories a day and not even exercising -- but I never got "thin" that way. But I'm sure if I restricted calories and stayed on it with exercise -- it would have worked. I've seen it work for others.

Reference the science for this plz.

[JurisDictum]

Reference the science for this plz.

Just look up the damn Paleo diet.

I'm not even telling people to eat that way.

[Lojik]

Just look up the damn Paleo diet.

I'm not even telling people to eat that way.

You don't eat more calories on an Atkins or paleo diet, the point is that the calories you consume fill you up more so you're not as hungry. More fat and protein? Yes. More calories? No.

[JurisDictum]

You don't eat more calories on an Atkins or paleo diet, the point is that the calories you consume fill you up more so you're not as hungry. More fat and protein? Yes. More calories? No.

My understanding is they tell you not to count calories unless you prove weight-loss resistant. That's how it was written in the Atkins book at least. He said you should be able to eat more than you would otherwise. Atkins argued that the diet I have described here took too much willpower. Diets like mine made you count calories and that made them miserable to be on in his opinion.

So he doesn't say: eat more calories. But if he says: "don't count calories" and "bacon in the morning is fine" you can bet most will be eating more calories. Mostly in fat and protein.

So Paleo -- haven't done a lot of research -- but I'm guessing based on what I did read its a more modern and sophisticated version of Atkins. I just said what I knew about the diet's "metabolic advantage" as Atkins used to write and explained why I don't eat like that. I took him at his word or didn't see the point in challenging the 5000 calories number

It does seem really high...but if you are doing like hours of cardio everyday its possible -- you might have been eating like shit to begin with and your the type that loses weight fast when not doing that and exercising. Not everyone is equally prone to being fat remember.

[Pokesan]

the paleo diet has serious fascist undertones

[skarlorn]

i drank a home made chocolate malt last day

*does a 720 degree kickflip and lands at the entrance to NTOV with full BiS*

[JurisDictum]

i drank a home made chocolate malt last day

*does a 720 degree kickflip and lands at the entrance to NTOV with full BiS*

See ectomorphs want to keep you down. They are jealous of your muscular potential subconsciously and want you to be a fat piece of shit your whole life. So they do things like drink malts and tell you about it. Tell you that most people don't have the willpower to be fit etc...

People hate success if its too much for them to take in. Just be aware of that on your way up.

[skarlorn]

now that's some LOUD PROJECTION.

I want YOU to be fit :)

seek help if you were serious in that post :o

[Mead]

My understanding is they tell you not to count calories unless you prove weight-loss resistant. That's how it was written in the Atkins book at least. He said you should be able to eat more than you would otherwise. Atkins argued that the diet I have described here took too much willpower. Diets like mine made you count calories and that made them miserable to be on in his opinion.

So he doesn't say: eat more calories. But if he says: "don't count calories" and "bacon in the morning is fine" you can bet most will be eating more calories. Mostly in fat and protein.

So Paleo -- haven't done a lot of research -- but I'm guessing based on what I did read its a more modern and sophisticated version of Atkins. I just said what I knew about the diet's "metabolic advantage" as Atkins used to write and explained why I don't eat like that. I took him at his word or didn't see the point in challenging the 5000 calories number

It does seem really high...but if you are doing like hours of cardio everyday its possible -- you might have been eating like shit to begin with and your the type that loses weight fast when not doing that and exercising. Not everyone is equally prone to being fat remember.

It is really high. That's why I said unless he's a professional athlete. Nobody eats 5,000 calories just to have to go burn it off after. It's unrealistic. So is sustaining ketosis, which I do know about. That type of diet is completely ridiculous and unnecessary. And you will still gain weight if you intake more calories than you're burning. I also would not recommend it due to long term health risks.

If I get a chance to later I will compile some solid scientific facts on diet and exercise.

[SamwiseRed]

in op:
Breakfast: Beans and eggs

you fuckin retarded? eggs are one of the worst things you can eat period, let alone when trying to lose weight. there is a reason they are called cholesterol bombs.

also:

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat.

[Mead]

in op:
Breakfast: Beans and eggs

you fuckin retarded? eggs are one of the worst things you can eat period, let alone when trying to lose weight. there is a reason they are called cholesterol bombs.

also:

Stating the obvious here but egg whites are good. Some cholesterol in your diet isn't bad for you (it's necessary for certain things) if you're going to + yolk. But I agree, you don't want to overdo it.

[Ass]

Stating the obvious here but egg whites are good. Some cholesterol in your diet isn't bad for you (it's necessary for certain things) if you're going to + yolk. But I agree, you don't want to overdo it.

egg whites are certainly better but honestly fat people are too lazy to separate the yolk. if you wanna lose weight stay away from dairy especially cheese. im not even fat and i ended up losing weight when i cut dairy out of my diet. fuck all dat shit.

[Mead]

egg whites are certainly better but honestly fat people are too lazy to separate the yolk. if you wanna lose weight stay away from dairy especially cheese. im not even fat and i ended up losing weight when i cut dairy out of my diet. fuck all dat shit.

The majority of my diet is dairy and poultry. It still goes back to caloric intake as far as gaining or losing weight.

[JurisDictum]

in op:
Breakfast: Beans and eggs

you fuckin retarded? eggs are one of the worst things you can eat period, let alone when trying to lose weight. there is a reason they are called cholesterol bombs.

also:

Cholesterol either is a problem or isn't. It isn't for me. It's partly age, partly lifestyle, partly genetic. To be worried about cholesterol when you have no health problems with it, are in your early 30s, and are fairly active....pretty crazy.

Fat/Calories wise -- eggs are pretty good. Some fat (good fat) some protein. They even have K-2 in them.

But obviously if your whole damn family is on blood pressure meds since their 40s -- your the kind of guy that should watch out for eggs. Also, not a great idea to overindulge in red meat or shell fish.

[Pokesan]

My body's basically a mix of fat and salt and protein, like a cheeseburger that's able to metabolically regulate itself.

Anyone else have this problem?

[hyejin]

mines a spicy chicken sandwich

[Mead]

https://youtu.be/WsSLI_JZGTI

To put 5k calories in perspective

[JurisDictum]

https://youtu.be/WsSLI_JZGTI

To put 5k calories in perspective

Part of what is making him so full is how he is eating big chunks of meat with lots of healthy carbs (throws in fries at the end of the day like a treat - lol).

If we all got to just eat Americanized-Chinese food and Pizza -- I'm sure we could all hit 5000 if we wanted to.

[Mead]

Part of what is making him so full is how he is eating big chunks of meat with lots of healthy carbs (throws in fries at the end of the day like a treat - lol).

If we all got to just eat Americanized-Chinese food and Pizza -- I'm sure we could all hit 5000 if we wanted to.

He’s not eating those foods to make himself full. He’s eating for energy and mass. That’s what a 300 lbs 8 year in a row Mr. Olympia using gear intakes to train. Nobody around these parts is doing that. And if they are plz post pics. That was my point.

[AzzarTheGod]

https://youtu.be/WsSLI_JZGTI

To put 5k calories in perspective

aint nothin 2 it but 2 do it

[Ivah]

Are we arguing that nobody loses weight at 5k a day? Or that nobody eats 5k a day?

[Jimjam]

now that's some LOUD PROJECTION.

I want YOU to be fit :)

seek help if you were serious in that post :o

I like that we are both gluttonous thinlords who live in game fantasies about being podgy midget picnic masters.

I always wonder about somatotype of the player behind the character.

Like are all wood elves played by latin bootylicious chicks? No, probably not.

[maskedmelon]

Studies have shown that effect in women. I'll link you a YouTube vid on it when I get off work.

i didn't miss this vidya link did I? i was curious ^^

[Mead]

Are we arguing that nobody loses weight at 5k a day? Or that nobody eats 5k a day?

Couple pages back dude said he lost 90 lbs eating 5k calories a day. I called bullshit. I most definitely would never argue people unable to eat 5k calories a day lol. Half the server probably hitting up them all you can eat buffets at Ponderosa on the reg, achieving that number with ease.

[Mead]

aint nothin 2 it but 2 do it

It ain’t nothin’ but a peanut

[Raavak]

you fuckin retarded? eggs are one of the worst things you can eat period, let alone when trying to lose weight. there is a reason they are called cholesterol bombs.The eating cholesterol causing cholesterol is no longer a widely accepted theory. Eggs have good protein and the yokes have a healthy fat.

This is a pretty funny video on a time travelling dietitian that is germane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ua-WVg1SsA

[Cecily]

i didn't miss this vidya link did I? i was curious ^^

Sorry, I think it's Abby Pollock - Is intermittent fasting safe for women? Has some interesting information in it but her format is all over the place in that video.

What's neat is there's a sexual dimorphic response to fasting.

[JurisDictum]

So I know there is this American attitude that goes like:

"You don't need to know what carbs are -- just calories in and calories out." Technically true, in reality that's bullshit. People aren't machines, and need to stay motivated in healthy if they are going to be doing a weight loss program for months, if not over a year.

--Recap of some supposedly unimportant categories that they don't need in France--

Carbs. If you don't eat carbs (and I mean a substantially amount -- not just the amount to stay alive), your body is going to burn protein first, then fat. That's why its good to get some carbs down with your meat. That and most everyone reports feeling more energetic and charged from carbs. But carbs in excess are fattening because they are very efficient energy.

Fats. You need some fat for your skin health and hormone balance. Stay away from transfats -- which are not as common these days. Saturated fat isn't exactly healthfood -- but is ok (meats and cheeses have this fat). Unsaturated fat like in olives, oils, and avocados -- is really good for you. Because fat is easy to intake without trying in my experience, its mostly about avoiding too much if your losing weight.

Protein. Need it for muscle maintenance and growth. You want a lot of protein generally, but you can only take in like 50 grams at once or something. So no reason to way overdo it on protein foods per meal. But it is a good idea to try to eat protein with every meal. You can only absorb something like 25g of protein from liquid at once BTW -- so keep that in mind if your a huge protein shake guy.

Fiber. It's what keeps digestion in order. Empty carbs are basically carbs without fiber. They are less filling and can clog you up without supplemental fiber from other foods or supplements (I'm against supplements unless directed by dr.). This is why salad and beans seems to show up in a lot of healthy people's diet.

Sugar. Sugar is a substance that makes you moody, hungry and fat. That's the best way to think about sugar. Concentrated sugar is worse than simple sugar -- fiber in fruit helps cancel sugar out of it in your diet. But fruit, a little in vinegar or jam (shop around for lower sugar jam, pref with no added sugar) won't kill you.

Vitamins. Just make sure you are getting enough A and C from fruits and veggies -- prevent yourself from getting sick. Might want to think about zinc...fun fact for men-- when you ejaculate you lose zinc.

Micro-nutrients* are a hobby and most cant be proven to do anything. But I do stuff like eat green peppers because I hear it helps muscle growth because of some micro nutrient in it. Cinnamon can help you lose fat supposedly etc. Whatever floats your boat, just don't let it sway you from being generally healthy. I wouldn't start buttering everything ups like crazy because you hear about k-2 for example.

Anyway -- my point is there is a reason even people trying to bulk up don't eat a bunch of pancakes with syrup to do it. And there are reasons why eating junk and losing weight is bad.

*Creatine works for helping muscle build from what I hear -- but I haven't bothered yet. It's not supposed to make a huge difference.

[Lhancelot]

Anyway -- my point is there is a reason even people trying to bulk up don't eat a bunch of pancakes with syrup to do it. And there are reasons why eating junk and losing weight is bad.


Really? I think if I want to learn how to bulk up, I would listen to The Rock before you.

https://i.imgur.com/JTKbTC0.jpg

[JurisDictum]

Really? I think if I want to learn how to bulk up, I would listen to The Rock before you.

https://i.imgur.com/JTKbTC0.jpg


What the rock actually eats (https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153600401)
Breakfast: 10-ounce beef fillet, 2 cups of oatmeal, two-egg omelet.
Brunch: 8 ounces of cod, 12 ounces of sweet potatoes, 1 cup of steamed veggies.
Half lunch: 8 ounces of chicken (we're assuming not fried), 2 cups of white rice, 1 cup of veggies.
Lunch: 8 more ounces of cod, 2 cups of rice, 1 cup of veggies.
Lunner (or maybe dunch): 8 ounces of steak, 12 ounces of baked potato fries, a salad.
Dinner: 10 more ounces of cod (really, can you ever get enough cod?) 2 more cups of rice, another salad.
Late-night snack: 30 grams of casein protein powder, 10-egg-white omelet (yes, 10!), 1 cup of veggies, a tablespoon of Omega-3 to wash it down

Favorite cheat meal: 4 whole double dough pizzas, 21 cookies and a gallon of milk and sometimes he added 12 pancakes!

The rock was born looking big like that. Both of his parents were bodybuilders. He eats more white carbs than I think is perfect...but whatever -- he counter balances with veggies and healthy carbs.

So if you want that cheat day, white rice and some fries -- better work out a lot to avoid getting fat.

Edit: Sometimes you do get a little fat temporarily during a bulking plan I might add. Builders do this thing where they gain body fat long before a competition and then lost it shortly before to look nice. But calling a bodybuilder fat sounds extreme to people with more normal reference points.

[maskedmelon]

i started getting nauseous between brunch and half-lunch. that is just too much food ;n; i actually tried to put on some muscle once (lol!) and couldn't deal with all the food. im thankful i wasn't more successful though [: that lost gave me flashbacks of tuna cans and chicken breasts, which are both gross :c

[maskedmelon]

Sorry, I think it's Abby Pollock - Is intermittent fasting safe for women? Has some interesting information in it but her format is all over the place in that video.

What's neat is there's a sexual dimorphic response to fasting.

interesting, im gonna hafta check that out ^^ ty

[maskedmelon]

My body's basically a mix of fat and salt and protein, like a cheeseburger that's able to metabolically regulate itself.

Anyone else have this problem?

yeah, but i maintain sufficient blood glucose levels and glycogen stores that I am more liek a soy peppermint brownie with cream cheese frosting.

[maskedmelon]

too many idiots posting in this thread now

you're a cuck.

[JurisDictum]

I just realized the reason these guys eat the fries and white rice is probably to make themselves slightly more able to eat the next meal compared to if they eat brown rice.

Anyway if all this talk about bulking plans and getting jacked scares anyone reading away from weight lifting -- don't let it. No one ever accidentally got huge. You don't have to go nearly that far to a lot out of it.

But its worth noting a lot of fat people have genetics to look at least kind of like the rock (he is a famously good-looking builder from a young age keep in mind, so don't be unrealistic) -- and they are wasting them. They don't even know it.

[A1rh3ad]

Also you need to consider the fact that the rock and pro athletes work far harder than the average homebody. Their method will be way different. I lifted weights and did cardio and lost a lot of fat and replaced it with muscle. I new have a labor intensive job so I maintain my figure there. Point is while you do need more clean calories, you will never need as much as you think.

[Cecily]

too many idiots posting in this thread now

Fat.

[Mead]

too many idiots posting in this thread now

I stopped

Will let you guys get back to it

[Lhancelot]

You forgot to mention all bodybuilders are taking large amounts of HGH and anabolics + about 10 other things so they can lift 8 hours a day

hence the 5k calorie diets

I cannot believe this. My hero The Rock is natural.

[JurisDictum]

You forgot to mention all bodybuilders are taking large amounts of HGH and anabolics + about 10 other things so they can lift 8 hours a day

hence the 5k calorie diets

There is a lot of it -- but there is natural ones too. Even a lot of guys that did take steroids..they stopped and don't anymore. A lot of bodybuilding is how you look -- so its a little less common than stuff like powerlifting.

This is like the territory you get into with olympians though...its so competitive and their life is so devoted to it, its only a matter of time for many of them to see how big of a difference steroids can make.

Some people can't get that big without drugs. They should accept that about themselves. Some can eat a lot, lift many hours a day (several days a week), and get big without drugs. Chances are these would be the same guys that are obese playing EQ right now if they didn't ever lift.

But if you do want to be a real bodybuilder, It's like a job. Hence, most don't bother.

[maskedmelon]

people on HGH can't hide it. they bellies get all distended with oversized organs. it's pretty gross tbh. take a look at liek some old ahnuld pics and compare them to any modern muscle man and you see what I'm talking about.

[Raavak]

There are natty bodybuilders and powerlifters. There are even natty vegan lifters. For bodybuilding half of it is just being low bodyfat.

Earlier someone mentioned creatine as a supplement. Higher creatine levels provides your skeletal muscles with more raw energy when muscled are taxed for strength (as opposed to endurance), leading to your tissue adapting to the higher load by building up. It also increases the amount of H2O in your muscle cells which has some positive effects. As a downside some people can look puffy-fat on it. Its legal, safe, and pretty cheap. The effects are much smaller than AAS, which of course are unsafe and illegal in many places.

[Raavak]

people on HGH can't hide it. they bellies get all distended with oversized organs. it's pretty gross tbh. take a look at liek some old ahnuld pics and compare them to any modern muscle man and you see what I'm talking about.

Professional bodybuilder autopsy showing enlarged organs, probably due to excessive AAS and HGH use.

https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d

[Lhancelot]

Professional bodybuilder autopsy showing enlarged organs, probably due to excessive AAS and HGH use.

https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d

if i remember correctly I even read some study done on creatine saying that it even helped with brain function/mental acuity.

[Raavak]

if i remember correctly I even read some study done on creatine saying that it even helped with brain function/mental acuity.
Yeah, there was something on it, but I don't know how accepted it is.

Creatine is natural. You get lots from red meat. Its easier and much cheaper to get a tub of powder though. Alot of pre-workouts have it already in it. And to be the most useful you need to saturate your skeletal muscles with it. So you need like 5g a day every day. You can load heavy on it for the first few weeks, but some get gut issues off that.

[JurisDictum]

All I know is my old college instructor said

"I worked in the vitamin industry a long time previously -- it's mostly bullshit and your not even getting what your paying for most the time"

"If someone is trying to sell you on a multivitamin you know their just trying sell you, because people your age don't even need them (he said they are mostly for 60+ people). Next time you take a crap see if you can find that multi vitamin you took."

"The one thing that works and has been around a long time is Creatine..."and he gave some numbers that sounded like a small difference but I don't remember. Pretty sure your supposed to do it right before the workout.

He was one of those all natural types that looked like 34 even though he was 46.

[skarlorn]

its really all I think about recreationally

you forgot to mention your recreational addiction to posting on p99 forums under a new alt acct named FORUM CUCK

:o

[Lhancelot]

you forgot to mention your recreational addiction to posting on p99 forums under a new alt acct named FORUM CUCK

:o

Who was he before?

[Pokesan]

Who was he before?

some red guy, andis i think.

[JurisDictum]

Stewie on steroids (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnPxqZEWVs)

Steroids are fucked up. I think a lot of guys (esp. before 30) get curious to see how well they can do. Then they start talking to steroid users and dealers...steroid dealers make a shitload of money I might add.

The strategy is paint this bleak image of how impossible the guy is without steroids -- and convince him everyone is doing them. All those strong guys you ever met? Yep, all on roids!

Even though the estimate roid usage is like 30% of bodybuilders -- heavily weighted toward the professional scene.

It's like any other drug. It catches up with you and you should avoid it. But I'm sure it feels good to become a super strong version of yourself while its happening. Seems like there is always a downfall though. Some kind of health crash where they go to shit.

[maskedmelon]

Professional bodybuilder autopsy showing enlarged organs, probably due to excessive AAS and HGH use.

https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d

that's what I'm talking about :c their stomachs look like big watery legs.


on the creatine topic though, I will add that it is pretty fricken' amazing. it's liek powedered stamina ^^ im not strong at all (was super happy when I was able to bench 75% of my weight) so maybe my experience is not normal, but i think it is or people wouldn't use it.

it does make you retain water though so you gonna look bigger and it gonna smooth things out, so if you are liek super cut and wanna look liek a wet pillowcase fulla rocks, you gonna be disappointed.

[Mead]

You forgot to mention all bodybuilders are taking large amounts of HGH and anabolics + about 10 other things so they can lift 8 hours a day

hence the 5k calorie diets

He’s not eating those foods to make himself full. He’s eating for energy and mass. That’s what a 300 lbs 8 year in a row Mr. Olympia using gear intakes to train. Nobody around these parts is doing that. And if they are plz post pics. That was my point.

Daddy doesn't make those mistakes. Been at this a long time. I know my shit.

[skarlorn]

mead i'm gonna be allowed to lift weights again next week let's go to the gym together in Spirit pal

[AzzarTheGod]

Stewie on steroids (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnPxqZEWVs)

Steroids are fucked up. I think a lot of guys (esp. before 30) get curious to see how well they can do. Then they start talking to steroid users and dealers...steroid dealers make a shitload of money I might add.

The strategy is paint this bleak image of how impossible the guy is without steroids -- and convince him everyone is doing them. All those strong guys you ever met? Yep, all on roids!

Even though the estimate roid usage is like 30% of bodybuilders -- heavily weighted toward the professional scene.

It's like any other drug. It catches up with you and you should avoid it. But I'm sure it feels good to become a super strong version of yourself while its happening. Seems like there is always a downfall though. Some kind of health crash where they go to shit.

The health crash is just from stopping all tesosterone replacement therapies and failing to recover from steroid use.

If you keep using appropriately you can be Vince McMahon in his 50's and 60's and now 70's.

Just about responsible use. Its definitely a huge burden. The gel converts to estrogen at a rapid rate, so you are stuck pinning every week.

Theres a new ester that only has to be injected every 30 days but the ester is so heavy I think its worthless....its patented in Europe and marketed in Germany/Holland/etc.

Obviously making any change to the body has risks TRT or geared up. Most BB'ers only need testosterone to compete contrary to popular belief...along with a lil insulin. GH is just for recovery and tissue quality it doesnt build strength or mass studies have proven it as a fact.

[Mead]

mead i'm gonna be allowed to lift weights again next week let's go to the gym together in Spirit pal

Good shit, pal. I'm excited for you. I'll be travelling this weekend / next week but will be back at it the following week. My body could definitely use the week off. I've been able to keep myself injury free for almost a year and a half now. I want to keep it that way.

[JurisDictum]

Mark Rippletoe on Steroids (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjk00DkWoJg)

Interesting take on athletes using steroids.

[Mead]

Mark Rippletoe on Steroids (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjk00DkWoJg)

Interesting take on athletes using steroids.

I agree with him to a certain extent. It’s much harder to put in some serious work than to inject yourself or take a pill. You could put up a good argument that two people training the same exact way, one using steroids, one not, the one using steroids will have a competitive edge. I do believe one day it’s going to be nearly impossible to get away with using any steroids due to awareness and diagnostic testing. You would most likely have to start in high school, which many do, unless they’re testing for it earlier now. I’m not sure about that.

The biggest deterrent to me are the long term side effects. Anabolic steroids are horrible for your body. I would say the majority of anabolic steroid users don’t think about the consequences. And if they do think about it, a lot of them are already balls deep into their professional careers and they’re stuck with a tough choice.

For me there’s also a sense of pride in knowing I’ve been able to reach certain goals and look good without steroid use. Just a lot of hard work with diet and training. I don’t judge anyone who does though. Just be very careful and know what you’re doing to your body long term.

[Lhancelot]

I agree with him to a certain extent. It’s much harder to put in some serious work than to inject yourself or take a pill. You could put up a good argument that two people training the same exact way, one using steroids, one not, the one using steroids will have a competitive edge. I do believe one day it’s going to be nearly impossible to get away with using any steroids due to awareness and diagnostic testing. You would most likely have to start in high school, which many do, unless they’re testing for it earlier now. I’m not sure about that.

The biggest deterrent to me are the long term side effects. Anabolic steroids are horrible for your body. I would say the majority of anabolic steroid users don’t think about the consequences. And if they do think about it, a lot of them are already balls deep into their professional careers and they’re stuck with a tough choice.

For me there’s also a sense of pride in knowing I’ve been able to reach certain goals and look good without steroid use. Just a lot of hard work with diet and training. I don’t judge anyone who does though. Just be very careful and know what you’re doing to your body long term.

I marvel that Arnold has lived as long as he has. I guess they say he took much smaller doses of steroids compared to what competitive bodybuilders do now, but still I wonder how much damage his body took.

[JurisDictum]

He didn't take steroids -- in his era a lot of guys didn't on the professional scene. Now its overrun by guys that are groomed before they are 18 -- which has something to do with getting away with it. Apparently they can detect them usually if you start later.

But there are still plenty of guys that just build muscles without using steroids and take it pretty seriously. A lot of people are jealous of others natural muscular potential. Many people that use steroids BTW -- didn't have to to achieve their gains. They just did it to save a ton of time. It's obvious when people have that roided out muscle look that's not natural -- some of that is impossible without steroids.

[Mead]

He didn't take steroids -- in his era a lot of guys didn't on the professional scene. Now its overrun by guys that are groomed before they are 18 -- which has something to do with getting away with it. Apparently they can detect them usually if you start later.

But there are still plenty of guys that just build muscles without using steroids and take it pretty seriously. A lot of people are jealous of others natural muscular potential. Many people that use steroids BTW -- didn't have to to achieve their gains. They just did it to save a ton of time. It's obvious when people have that roided out muscle look that's not natural -- some of that is impossible without steroids.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Health/story?id=532456

Almost every one of your posts have shit you are literally just making up. It makes my head hurt.

[JurisDictum]

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Health/story?id=532456

Almost every one of your posts have shit you are literally just making up. It makes my head hurt.

I was wrong about Arnold -- because I never really gave a shit.

I'm telling people:

1) you can get more muscular as a Mesomorph and Endomorph -- and its nice to take advantage of that rather than being fat

2) Building muscle is an important part of keeping weight off for people with bigger bodies.

NO you probably won't win any god damn medals in weight lifting fields without steroids. Was this thread Entitiled: "how to get shreadded to compete with the world champions." You have to start thinking about that shit at 16 with good genetics to even think about that -- so what. That's life.

Nevertheless, you will lose weight listening to that diet advice. It's not just my opinion. And you will be bigger than smaller guys if your born bigger. But no -- you wont look like Arnold did in the linked picture because he was on steroids. However, that's pretty extreme isn't it? You kind of have to be hanging around a lot of weightlifters to even get it in your head you want to look like that anyway.*

But thanks for your contribution skinny guys that have no problems with weight. Arnold did take steroids. BUT -- he still wouldn't have got there if he was born with shit muscle building genetics would he?

But id suggest staying smaller and off steroids.

*the higher growth in the upper muscles is very common with steroid use. Narrow waist making a kind of v line into massive chest, arms, etc. You can kind of see that with Arnold here (https://stronglifts.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-steroids-build-muscle/)

[JurisDictum]

Why do humans have to ruin everything with god damn steroids anyway.

Arnold and his fucking "no regrets" -- well thanks asshole.

Thanks for pointing out how awesome it is to use steroids and how there was no lasting effects you regret to everyone.

I guess it would have been too much to ask for something along the lines of: "I'm sorry I was sitting there smiling and posing and getting a bunch of credit for an accomplishment I didn't really do."

It's not like today. It's not like they are all doing it it his era. It was mostly him -- he was the god damn roid guy. He knows hes doing this shit no one else knows about -- taking the credit. That's completely fucked up.

Just like steroids. And there are waaaay more stories about people getting messed up on steroids (or barely using them and backing in time) than people using them to get huge and having a nice little successful life forever.

Keep in mind the professionals using steroids these days have whole god damn teams managing them. If you don't have a team -- I don't care what you say -- it's god damn dangerous.

It just sucks to know everyone in fighting leagues etc... is fucking on the super human juice and playing stupid. No wonder we have such a dishonest society. Everyone's hiding some kind of illegal advantage.

Edit: The reason I was dead wrong about Arnold BTW is because I got mixed up between "Everything in the Arnold and later is all steroids" and thought it was that Arnold was the last era without lots of steroids. It was picking right around the Arnold era -- but it still wasn't as big. This is all academic to me its not like I'm in the sport. It should have been obvious with that picture the more I look though.

[JurisDictum]

your posts are too long and most people wont read them

go for 1 or 2 sentences, if you cant say what you gotta say in that, just don't bother

You Now Have a Shorter Attention Span Than a Goldfish (http://time.com/3858309/attention-spans-goldfish/)

It doesn't really matter if someone like that reads it or not because they don't have the ability to discuss complicated issues.

[A1rh3ad]

Creatine is awesome, but not for what most people use it for. It will not make you stronger and barely swells the muscles to such a small point it is not noticeable. What it does do and does very well is cut down recovery time and reduce muscle soreness. That is if you stay properly hydrated.

[skarlorn]

I read a fair amount of your longer posts JD when I actually have the time to concentrate on elf Sim posting. When I'm just in the bathroom I usually speed read
Do not mind forum cuck

[JurisDictum]

I read a fair amount of your longer posts JD when I actually have the time to concentrate on elf Sim posting. When I'm just in the bathroom I usually speed read
Do not mind forum cuck

Well he has a point, just not the one he thinks he has. A post can be long if its interesting. Otherwise its boring and on to the next one. So the skill of the writer is important. One can improve over time, but you never get everyone. Not even close.

[hyejin]

Well he has a point, just not the one he thinks he has. A post can be long if its interesting. Otherwise its boring and on to the next one. So the skill of the writer is important. One can improve over time, but you never get everyone. Not even close.

I don't read your long posts because they lack flair and require me to decrease my buoyant spirit's throughput before I can even approach them. To increase readership I'd recommend integrating .gif images of marijuana leaves you have run through Blingee, idiosyncratic spacing or capitalization, basketball photos or other things that render your posts a credible piece of visual art. You're not going to draw the read time of the finest posters by appearing to post retarded and earnestly-presented humorless ideas (and your posts might be hilarious. I have no idea because your marketing is so bad).

[Lhancelot]

You're not going to draw the read time of the finest posters by appearing to post retarded and earnestly-presented humorless ideas (and your posts might be hilarious. I have no idea because your marketing is so bad).

This was humorously well put. :D

[Mead]

Creatine is awesome, but not for what most people use it for. It will not make you stronger and barely swells the muscles to such a small point it is not noticeable. What it does do and does very well is cut down recovery time and reduce muscle soreness. That is if you stay properly hydrated.

Wrong.

Creatine helps you combat fatigue, allowing you to pump out extra reps, which will actually destroy your muscles even more. It doesn’t help with recovery time or soreness.

Read this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.menshealth.com/nutrition/creatine-q-a%3famp

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't read your long posts because they lack flair and require me to decrease my buoyant spirit's throughput before I can even approach them. To increase readership I'd recommend integrating .gif images of marijuana leaves you have run through Blingee, idiosyncratic spacing or capitalization, basketball photos or other things that render your posts a credible piece of visual art. You're not going to draw the read time of the finest posters by appearing to post retarded and earnestly-presented humorless ideas (and your posts might be hilarious. I have no idea because your marketing is so bad).

*admires flowing thought articulation of whale*

oceanlike. here comes a tsunami boys

[Lhancelot]

oceanlike. here comes a tsunami boys

I been preparing over the last few weeks tbh. Surprised (disappointed?) it hasn't hit yet. My worry is who will be crushed.

[Mead]

Oh look a difference of opinion on fitness methods. Welcome to any fitness thread anywhere on the internet :D

There’s a difference between different fitness methods and actual scientific facts about how certain things work. While I don’t agree with a lot of methods, I stay away from critiquing them unless someone asks me If I think there’s something they can improve on. If something is dead wrong I’m going to let you know, and you should probably do some more research on it.

[JurisDictum]

Oh look a difference of opinion on fitness methods. Welcome to any fitness thread anywhere on the internet :D

Well that's probably because everyone takes fucking steroids apparently. Makes people moody and confrontational and all. I guess ill have to be the one sucker in the gym avoiding that shit.

[Lhancelot]

Oh look a difference of opinion on fitness methods. Welcome to any fitness thread anywhere on the internet :D

Different things work for different people.

[AzzarTheGod]

Well that's probably because everyone takes fucking steroids apparently. Makes people moody and confrontational and all. I guess ill have to be the one sucker in the gym avoiding that shit.

not at stable blood levels. most people dont bother to calculate stable blood levels or care. its the estrogen surges that cause any instability or confrontation. as long as you maintain stable blood levels of testosterone there is nothing to write about.

testosterone/dht enhances GABAnergic system and decreases anxiety and has a cooling effect on the brain thru the NMDA antagonism of testosterone itself, as well as DHT being a neurosteroid in its own accord with special DHT receptors which also decrease and mood instability.

its why trans who eliminate DHT from their body experience so much moodiness or mental changes. im a big proponent of trans dropping much of the anti-DHT regimin from their meds. I don't believe its entirely necessary. Unless you are prone to Male pattern baldness, in that case, you have no choice but to take the spirolactone in order to maintain a fem hairline and fullness.

[JurisDictum]

Show me a gain that you need steroids for. Then your ask yourself "is that a gain I want to have."

Most steroid use isn't pros trying to push beyond their genetic potential; or athletes at professional levels. It's people being lazy and wanting to work out x6 days a week feeling super good eating whatever they want. Then they rationalize, they'll get off them later. But then their gains go to shit and the feel miserable for awhile (some guys can't get it up for a bit) -- so they get into some kind of druggie cycle with it.

That's most users. A lot end up quitting lifting and their health goes to shit. Steroids age you -- aging sucks.

[rahmani]

OP, being fat or letting go in your thirties has a lot more to do with just saying "fuck it, I can't keep up." Depending on the age or station in your life, there are a lot of things that can make someone just give up, here are a few: shortness, acne (scars), baldness, other perceived shortcomings. I have seen it in my friends as we are aging, the balding ones are the worst though, they seem like they just gave the fuck up. But then there are those who overcompensate, and I don't think that's a strategy that can persist for very long.

[AzzarTheGod]

OP, being fat or letting go in your thirties has a lot more to do with just saying "fuck it, I can't keep up." Depending on the age or station in your life, there are a lot of things that can make someone just give up, here are a few: shortness, acne (scars), baldness, other perceived shortcomings. I have seen it in my friends as we are aging, the balding ones are the worst though, they seem like they just gave the fuck up. But then there are those who overcompensate, and I don't think that's a strategy that can persist for very long.

Thank you. Been saying this for years but the people who post on this forum have such a tiny small pool of fake imaginary friends that they have no idea what I'm referring to. They can't even fathom the scenario because they are so under-socialized.

I've lost a lot of friends to balding. They literally graduated from good schools, spent 250k on it and got straight A's, and then just stopped caring about anything that requires effort. Personal appearance, clothes, fashion, girls, bros and good times, etc. They shut down and just kill time with TV, some newspapers, and caring for elderly grandparents/grandmother who are already cared for by their daughter/son anyway. "I gotta take care of my grandmother" when pressed about why nothing is moving forward in their life. I thought about pressing further and asking what gives with him not carrying his weight as far as swag factor, appearance, and bros and hoes, but I stopped way short of that because, really, I already knew the answer. I tried to give him recs to lift his mood and try to get him feeling good again but I shit you not, he was on 2-3 drugs even adderall and had nothing to say still and was mopey and deadass with 0 energy. Oh by the way the grandmother he cares for so dearly calls him a gay wizard spell because he has nothing going on and no ladies going on. So here he is saying im caring for some elderly while throwing my life away over balding, while the person he "cares" so much for is calling him a buttboy to his face as he cares for her at her bedside...

We suspected thyroid issues just due to how much of a deadass he became. A huge fucking loser. Then I started thinking about it. I was like man, seems to coincide with 2 things. 1) Graduating college and 2) balding heavily on the crown and heavy recession of the hairline with diffuse loss all over. His whole top was blown off and he had to wear a hat 24/7 while hanging out. One time one of my friends smacked the hat off his head because he jewed down on a tip at a bar my friends local friend worked at. So my friend slapped him upside the head because he admitted to jewing down to his face. The balding was revealed and it shook him up.

He lost weight one time and got model thin around age 25-26, but the balding was so severe that he ballooned up 100 pounds within a mere 3-4 months and was back to his fat slag do-nothing self later that year with 0 plans and 0 ambition.

The reality is he didn't want to abandon his family in pursuit of a career in broadcasting. Working 70 hours a week means you have to cut family off. Mainly leave his mom alone with his father who is a shitbag and former drug addict. I get that...but there wasn't this huge emo attitude and settle down decision making prior to the balding.

That is just 1 example of 20-30 examples I have off hand.

[JurisDictum]

Thank you. Been saying this for years but the people who post on this forum have such a tiny small pool of fake imaginary friends that they have no idea what I'm referring to. They can't even fathom the scenario because they are so under-socialized.

I've lost a lot of friends to balding. They literally graduated from good schools, spent 250k on it and got straight A's, and then just stopped caring about anything that requires effort. Personal appearance, clothes, fashion, girls, bros and good times, etc. They shut down and just kill time with TV, some newspapers, and caring for elderly grandparents/grandmother who are already cared for by their daughter/son anyway. "I gotta take care of my grandmother" when pressed about why nothing is moving forward in their life. I thought about pressing further and asking what gives with him not carrying his weight as far as swag factor, appearance, and bros and hoes, but I stopped way short of that because, really, I already knew the answer. I tried to give him recs to lift his mood and try to get him feeling good again but I shit you not, he was on 2-3 drugs even adderall and had nothing to say still and was mopey and deadass with 0 energy. Oh by the way the grandmother he cares for so dearly calls him a gay wizard spell because he has nothing going on and no ladies going on. So here he is saying im caring for some elderly while throwing my life away over balding, while the person he "cares" so much for is calling him a buttboy to his face as he cares for her at her bedside...

We suspected thyroid issues just due to how much of a deadass he became. A huge fucking loser. Then I started thinking about it. I was like man, seems to coincide with 2 things. 1) Graduating college and 2) balding heavily on the crown and heavy recession of the hairline with diffuse loss all over. His whole top was blown off and he had to wear a hat 24/7 while hanging out. One time one of my friends smacked the hat off his head because he jewed down on a tip at a bar my friends local friend worked at. So my friend slapped him upside the head because he admitted to jewing down to his face. The balding was revealed and it shook him up.

He lost weight one time and got model thin around age 25-26, but the balding was so severe that he ballooned up 100 pounds within a mere 3-4 months and was back to his fat slag do-nothing self later that year with 0 plans and 0 ambition.

The reality is he didn't want to abandon his family in pursuit of a career in broadcasting. Working 70 hours a week means you have to cut family off. Mainly leave his mom alone with his father who is a shitbag and former drug addict. I get that...but there wasn't this huge emo attitude and settle down decision making prior to the balding.

That is just 1 example of 20-30 examples I have off hand.

I know a guy that went bald at 18... He did really well with women because he was naturally big and worked out (initially to join the marines). Basically you can be a stud if you can pull off a Vin Diesel (and its not that rare for guys that tend toward fatness). It's not even like you have to that good looking.

Baldness is associated with masculinity and testosterone. Many bald guys seem to be the high T guys too. You can have like anywhere from 400-1000 T naturally, these are probably the 800-1000 guys mostly. That makes a big difference in the fitness world.

Now if you are a finer-featured bald guy... it sucks more. But it still doesn't make it a waste of time for LCK to run 6 days a week to have a body most wouldn't say is attractive. Because he is not disgusting.

See at some point -- especially with older guys -- its not really about catching someones eye. It's about not turning someone off with your body so much it eclipses everything else you have to offer. If your just some average-looking dude, there is a million ways to compensate. If you are fat and disgusting you has better be rich.

This isn't all about dating. That was just the part of my post where I attempted to trigger people into realizing how much it sucks being fat. When you start talking about hand-wavy shit about feeling a lot better and more connected with your self and -- no one believes you on the front end (or finds it strangely irrelevant to their own situation).

Cardio and Strength Training will enhance every aspect of your life. You will play games better. You'll get more respect from peers (because its primal and they can't help it). You'll sleep better. And all that shit like moving things around and picking stuff up is a lot more easy. Doing it tends to get you more focused on diet and posture.

Now as for your depressed friend. I'm guessing it is more career related than you think. Not everyone that gets a degree really did the things you need to do to be ready to go get a job after college. This is what fills people with hopelessness. Not going fucking bald.

[burkemi5]

I have two friends who are both 30 years old on the dot and have been essentially bald since their early 20s. One is very successful, married, great job with a good salary, and in good physical shape. The other has a good career and social life with friends but doesn't have a girlfriend or anything and is pretty out of shape. Balding can contribute to lack of caring for sure, but there are all sorts of factors.

[Lhancelot]

Balding can contribute to lack of caring for sure, but there are all sorts of factors.

Maybe lack of caring and poor health choices created the balding?

Not really sold on the idea that balding creates apathy in men.

[Patriam1066]

OP, being fat or letting go in your thirties has a lot more to do with just saying "fuck it, I can't keep up." Depending on the age or station in your life, there are a lot of things that can make someone just give up, here are a few: shortness, acne (scars), baldness, other perceived shortcomings. I have seen it in my friends as we are aging, the balding ones are the worst though, they seem like they just gave the fuck up. But then there are those who overcompensate, and I don't think that's a strategy that can persist for very long.

Are you Persian mr rahmani

Also, giving up isn't OK. Being obese for any reason is unacceptable

[AzzarTheGod]

Now as for your depressed friend. I'm guessing it is more career related than you think. Not everyone that gets a degree really did the things you need to do to be ready to go get a job after college. This is what fills people with hopelessness. Not going fucking bald.

Pretty well said. I agree with this as well. The amount of steps post-college to actually launch a career are tremendous. And it definitely requires more drive than people anticipate and most were not prepared for that at all.

It's actually a good description of the situation. The balding was there but the reality was he had been handed everything his whole life. Nobody is going to hand you a career.

[hyejin]

https://i.imgur.com/d8n3ceU.png

[Mead]

https://i.imgur.com/d8n3ceU.png

really got me at the end

good stuff

[Lulz~Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/SSE3C9t.jpg

[Patriam1066]

https://i.imgur.com/SSE3C9t.jpg

Lol

[Pokesan]

let's get some BMIs goin, see whos real

25.8

[Jimjam]

Even more informative would be BMI and body fat percentage. Takes more equipment tho.

With BMI all the chunkies will pretend they hunkies.

[Jimjam]

22 BMI here,

18.6% body fat, if the dodgey old scales are to be believed, which maybe they aren't as they had my hydration pretty low (I had 56% water content of someone above 50s and I'm not quite that old yet).

That basically says I'm in the healthy range, but maybe could do a bit more muscle mass? I've not studied fitness for a long time, any advice? I know we got some fitness freaks on the forum, even if a lot of them sound like bodybuilding baloon men.

[Jimjam]

I'm pretty happy with my body fat percentage; I drop kilos like panties when I'm ill so like to have that resevoire. Prolly should get back on the body weight exercises; when I was still in greece they had awesome park gyms (and the weather to use them). Being back in the UK exercising outside is unattractive, except for hiking where you can wear all weather gear.

[maskedmelon]

22.5 bmi and around same body fat %

[Lulz~Sect]

30.3

Guess I’m obese! 🙄

[JurisDictum]

22 BMI here,

18.6% body fat, if the dodgey old scales are to be believed, which maybe they aren't as they had my hydration pretty low (I had 56% water content of someone above 50s and I'm not quite that old yet).

That basically says I'm in the healthy range, but maybe could do a bit more muscle mass? I've not studied fitness for a long time, any advice? I know we got some fitness freaks on the forum, even if a lot of them sound like bodybuilding baloon men.

You can go the Physical Therapist rout if you have insurance. A lot of them basically just turn into personal trainers.

Your best bet is a credible personal trainer or some kind of exercise class. Yoga might add some muscle mass if you want to avoid barbells. But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO. But you need someone to make sure your form is good.

In the meantime Id just get comfortable with the squat motion because it seems most people that aren't active need to work on it.

[Jimjam]

You can go the Physical Therapist rout if you have insurance. A lot of them basically just turn into personal trainers.

Your best bet is a credible personal trainer or some kind of exercise class. Yoga might add some muscle mass if you want to avoid barbells. But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO. But you need someone to make sure your form is good.

In the meantime Id just get comfortable with the squat motion because it seems most people that aren't active need to work on it.

[hyejin]

18.6

:3

[JurisDictum]

What do you guys think about Fish and Mercury exposure? My guy reaction is: Bullshit... you would have to be eating 3 meals a day of whale meat to get negative effects of mercury.

But maybe I'm missing something. It seems to me like there are people all over the world eating fish more than twice a week with no trace of mercury poisoning.

Meanwhile fish is the best way to get lots of protein with only a small amount of (mostly very healthy) fat. Eating fish has also been proven to make you more sophisticated and intelligent, and at least six times more likely to own a home by the coast.

[Raavak]

I follow the 2x a week or less crowd, but its not exactly my favorite food. Usually just canned tuna, occasionally I'll bake some salmon.

[Jimjam]

Fish used to make me violently ill just at the smell.

Once in France I ordered a pizza with 'everything'; big mistake! I didn't realise as I ate it, but it became obvious on the way back up it had included fish. Gross!

Happily, the smell of fish has become less nauseating, so much so that a couple of years ago I was able to eat a whole fish finger! Since then I was able to eat fish and chips at Rich Stein's and another fish dish the later year.

TLDR, after being intolerant I now manage to enjoy one fish dish a year. I'm really happy about this because being unable to eat fish all those years made me feel that I was rather missing out.

[maskedmelon]

Fish used to make me violently ill just at the smell.

Once in France I ordered a pizza with 'everything'; big mistake! I didn't realise as I ate it, but it became obvious on the way back up it had included fish. Gross!

Happily, the smell of fish has become less nauseating, so much so that a couple of years ago I was able to eat a whole fish finger! Since then I was able to eat fish and chips at Rich Stein's and another fish dish the later year.

TLDR, after being intolerant I now manage to enjoy one fish dish a year. I'm really happy about this because being unable to eat fish all those years made me feel that I was rather missing out.

this is a really neat story ^^ it sucks that you were unable to eat fish for so long, but super neat that you kept trying and ultimately were able to overcome it. to me it demonstrates openness. there are LOTS of people who refuse to try or eat many foods simply because they dont liek them even though they don't have any real issue with it. to me that is super childish, close-minded and as you pointed out, limiting.

I still have a hard time eating nattou, Chinese mustard and to a lesser degree wasabi, but that is about it (out of normal foods). Only the nattou make me a little nauseous, the others are just unpleasant. My thought has always been, if i didn't dislike certain foods, it would be easier for me to be happy wherever I go :3

[Raavak]

...a couple of years ago I was able to eat a whole fish finger!The existence of real fish in a fish finger is debatable. Chicken nuggets, fish fingers, hotdogs... Might all be just stuff they scrape from the garbage pails.

[AzzarTheGod]

But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO.

disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

barbells confirmed irrelevant

[Grimjaw]

my ol' pops there fishes every day of his life. Will only eat walleye. ate that every second day. he once caught a walleye so big that it barely fit thru the goddamn hole in the ice.


also op basically described crossfit workouts and the paleo diet they push. it works.

[JurisDictum]

my ol' pops there fishes every day of his life. Will only eat walleye. ate that every second day. he once caught a walleye so big that it barely fit thru the goddamn hole in the ice.


also op basically described crossfit workouts and the paleo diet they push. it works.

It is not paleo. Paleo doesn't allow as many beans, whole grains, or healthy roots. Paleo tries to get trigger the body to run off ketosis.

This is just eating smart like all people that want to stay fit for a living. Nothing special -- no biological trick.

If you can get your fat intake to 30% -- that's the sweet spot for peaking your natural testosterone. Less fat in diet or more will cause it to drop.

You obviously need lots of protein, but its best to try to spread it out over 5-6 meals with moderate amounts since you can only absorb so much.

While lots of carbs is lots of calories and lots of fat storage later, moderate amounts of carbs laden with fiber give you lots of energy without preventing weight loss (or causing weight gain).

You start slowing down on weight loss and cardio when you pick up strength training. It's not a horrible idea to just do cardio and diet and lose weight if you are very obese...but you do lose muscle with fat unless you are doing a str training program.

But its hard to gain strength and lose fat fast. It's a bit more gradual than just literally running your ass off. But the results are more impressive. Being really skinny (esp as a dude) is not great. Need a bit of muscle.

[JurisDictum]

disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

barbells confirmed irrelevant

Basically the opposite of what you said is true. Smith machine is good for inverted row (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G28qN9FCKE) only. Otherwise its better to balance the weight with your muscles.

[Patriam1066]

disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

barbells confirmed irrelevant

Do you know about iso vs compound movements? I do a lot of iso workouts and I'm pretty big; or as big as I want to be, but I see some skinny fuckers at the gym who are way stronger. I'm not sure if it's age, genetics, or me doing the wrong workouts.

[AzzarTheGod]

Basically the opposite of what you said is true. Smith machine is good for inverted row (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G28qN9FCKE) only. Otherwise its better to balance the weight with your muscles.

Basically reading comprehension. Dumbbells require even more control and balancing but start getting dangerous past 80lbs.

Not everyone's bodies grow the same and since dumbbells require full body growth of multiple muscle groups just to be able to safely handle them I can understand the need for your kind to promote buttbell incline presses

[Jimjam]

Do you know about iso vs compound movements? I do a lot of iso workouts and I'm pretty big; or as big as I want to be, but I see some skinny fuckers at the gym who are way stronger. I'm not sure if it's age, genetics, or me doing the wrong workouts.

There are different types of muscle fibers in the body, and different people have them in different ratios. This is one reason.

Another reason is a lot of people interested in body building don't stretch off properly after strength training; stretching off allows muscles to grow more densely and prevents muscles from balooning when they repair themselves (but a lot of body builders aspire for a baloon man look).

Finally, improving strength and improving appearance though linked are two different objectives. Often someone working on their muscles for appearance will try to develop relatively small/weak 'vanity' muscle groups for visual impact, such as their pecs or biceps, whereas someone interested in actual strength that is for use and not show will not obsess over making gains in these areas.

I'm sure there are more reasons for leanies having more strength versus big meanies, but these are some of the reasons I recall from when I studied some physiology modules like 14 years ago. I suspect some of my knowledge is now outdated/wrong so I'd love to be corrected / updated!

[Jimjam]

The existence of real fish in a fish finger is debatable. Chicken nuggets, fish fingers, hotdogs... Might all be just stuff they scrape from the garbage pails.

Stop downplaying my accomplishments; I am a top predator of the sea!

[JurisDictum]

Big compound movements train your central nervous system. Its also a little bit more challenging (interesting IMO) to master the movements for stuff like lowbar squats than things like lunges. It encourages posture and balance.

They are telling people of all ages atm that they should start strength training and they should learn big barbell movements ideally. They are particularly good for newbies to develop foundational strength.

They also found that your testosterone dips after an hour in the gym or so (cortisol starts to kick in). So its actually the best to work out an hour at a time...unless your on steroids. Then it is better to work out as much as you want 6 days a week. Keep that in mind when looking at professional work out plans.

So most people do an hour x3 days a week full body. But some do a x2 a day plan if their serious (an hour ea.). Cardio is only done for like 20-30 mins in a separate session of strength training. It's considered very important to eat protein right after working out. Some do schedules like: STR in morning, then HIIT at night (where you get str and cardio). but its important to put enough rest time between work outs (4-8 hours same day, 48 hours between days...I think it goes up to 3 days between workouts 40+).