Elite Colleges "Blind-sided" by Perceptions of Elitism

[JurisDictum]

Finally, the huge largesse of tax money institutions like Harvard and Yale receive have come under scrutiny (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/19/college-university-backlash-elitism-296898). They aren't even mentioning the fact that part of the reason they are able to raise so much money is also due to preferential tax treatment to University donations (why pay tax when you can donate to your kid university instead?). We're just talking about the money they get straight from the government.

And they freaked of course. Because if there is one thing that is constant in America, its the shamelessness of its elites.

The presidents also said they're trying desperately to address perceptions of elitism by taking every speaking engagement they can — touting their positive impacts on their communities to local civic groups, lawmakers and alumni. They're drafting op-eds and sending them to any publication that will take them. They're writing letters and economic impact statements for legislators. Some colleges are also working to recruit conservative students and students from rural areas more aggressively.

They say they haven’t received credit for the steps they’ve taken to address the widespread economic inequality on college campuses by pouring millions into financial aid, especially for low-income and working-class students, who rarely pay the full sky-high sticker prices at the nation's most elite schools.

Yea I don't think paid speaking engagements are -- I don't know -- the right move here? Sounds like you guys are about to get reamed by a bunch of angry Trump/Bernie-voting populists, and you guys go out for speaking engagements to alumni?

Look assholes, no one thinks everyone from Harvard is smarter than everyone else anymore. We just assumed your more privileged now. There's no fixing that. We used to value elitism. As they know -- because they purposefully market themselves as elitist. How can Harvard not be elitist? It's the god damn place elites go to school or its not really Harvard anymore -- is it?

But now we are valuing elitism less. We are going to insist that you pay for your own rich snob club. Taxes are for PUBLIC institutions god damnit. It's such a fuckin' joke to be giving any of this funding out to private companies that only educate the rich and privileged.

[JurisDictum]

Fine, fuck you guys then.


































It's not like I care.


Just keep jerking it to blacked.com and watching Netflix, because neither are going to be around much longer.

[Cecily]

I'm for turning Ivy League schools into community colleges.

[JurisDictum]

I'm for turning Ivy League schools into community colleges.

It's a joke. The idea were going to make everything dirty by letting average intellect people in. It's already swimming with well born people with average intellect. The admission process has been a myth ever since they could fill their entire year with 4.00 kids....and chose not to.

Maybe if this was ONLY a post-graduate school for the elite they could maintain their prestige...but no one really has the same respect for these institutions anymore.

This is why Plato thought it was a good idea to remove kids from their parents at age 10 and then raise them together as a group away from them. That's the only way to honestly measure who is worth leading . The way the system works now --- it's just pedigree.

If you know your boss is more capable than you -- your much more willing to be a good worker bee. Elites have become so irreversibly convinced of their superiority they can't even see it. Their dumbass kids aren't respectable and there is a good chance they aren't either...its generally only the guy that originally made the money (usually a guy) that has anything exceptional about them. Sometimes not even them.

Edit: inb4 massive "revelation" that elite kids don't even do their own school work half the time and have that shit basically outsourced to essay companies and private tutors.

[JurisDictum]

As someone who spent a lot of time and money on a college degree I do not like them being devalued and I also don't want everyone having one.

#BetterThanYou
#Sorry

Too late. Degrees are going to be like 70%+ of the population. Everyone now knows anyone can get one that has the dedication...which means its going to be a norm and if you don't have one we'll just assume your half retarded (if a member of the millennial generation).

[JurisDictum]

You know right-wing Americans really are idiots when it comes to stuff like designing a system to help educate the country.

They think "Wow there are too many stupid people. Let's make a big competition where we take the top 5% of them and shower them with opportunity and give everyone else less...That should help with the stupid people problem."

No child will be left behind...unless they do bad on the test so really, most children will be left behind -- even more so than before. But No Child Left Behind had a nice ring to it as a sales pitch.

You have to focus resources on two groups:

Genius Scientists -- these are the only group of intellectuals that are likely to honestly use the resources and power they are given for its intended purpose. It's an amazing group really.

Idiots -- Because otherwise they cost us even more money and drag down non-idiots.

[JurisDictum]

Fake news

Only 6.7% of the world holds a bachelors degree or equivalent. In USA I think its like 25%.

It's 39% of millennials already and most of them aren't even 30 yet....with so many going to school in their later 20's these days...I'm telling you its going to be higher.

59% have already done some college.

Gen Z will be even more.

The reason is not college downgrading entirely...its actually mostly about the fact that no one can get a job that pays well and they think (sometimes correctly) this will help.

Edit: While we don't talk about this as much in America as in Europe -- one of the best things to do with a degree is take it abroad where only 3% of the population has a U.S. quality degree.

[loramin]

Humanities degrees, as well as the more "applicable" degrees, have always been a proxy for value. No employer with a brain thinks "that kid has a degree in Literature, clearly the classes he took will make him a great salesperson" ... but they still want to hire people with degrees over ones without because they know what it took to get that degree.

If you have a choice between a non-degree applicant and someone who studied underwater basket-weaving for four years (but like legitimately studied it, wrote essays on the best kinds of baskets, etc.) that still works as a proxy. You know the basket-weaver has put up with bosses (professors), had enough of a brain to write something interesting about baskets, and had enough willpower to spend hours and hours underwater weaving baskets.

Of course, proxies just aren't as good as the real thing: as was mentioned you could pay someone to write your basket essays for you. And even when the major would seem applicable (eg. Computer Science), it turns out it's really a proxy, because 80% of what you learn in computer science is not transferable to a programming job (that's why the major is called Computer Science and not Computer Programming).

Ultimately as computers/robots take over more and more jobs, and as the jobs remaining require real specialized skills that aren't taught in school (eg. practical programming), we're going to see more and more non-proxy solutions. Nine month hacker boot camps are a perfect example of this: I would much rather hire a fresh grad from Hack Reactor than a fresh Computer Science major ... even though the comp sci major spent four years and the Hack Reactor grad less than one. Because Hack Reactor is more about real skills and less about being a proxy, I know their grads are more likely to actually have the skills I need.

But even without all that being said, I don't think colleges are going anywhere; they'll just be forced to become more practical.

EDIT: Super TLDR - If you want to make money you better be in some form of sales or get used to the idea of being a pleb forever

Or programming, or law, or the right healthcare positions (do you know how much x-ray technicians make?), or ... well you get the idea. But yeah, specialized skills (and sales is definitely a skill) are where it's at.

[mickmoranis]

I have hired 4 mellenials and this is what they do:

#1 works 7 hours a day and constantly reminds us about how work is slavery
#2 chews with his mouth open
#3 changed his pants in a conference room with open windows infront of 7 other employees cus they got wet in the rain and he had a pair he changed out of in a pile under his desk from the last time it rained.
#4 cried the day they repealed net neutrality for almost 2 hours and had to take the rest of the day off because he was overwhelmed.

ladies and gentlemen... this is what college produces.

oh but on the bright side these adult children take 1/3rd the salary of an actual adult.

[Patriam1066]

I have hired 4 mellenials and this is what they do:

#1 works 7 hours a day and constantly reminds us about how work is slavery
#2 chews with his mouth open
#3 changed his pants in a conference room with open windows infront of 7 other employees cus they got wet in the rain and he had a pair he changed out of in a pile under his desk from the last time it rained.
#4 cried the day they repealed net neutrality for almost 2 hours and had to take the rest of the day off because he was overwhelmed.

ladies and gentlemen... this is what college produces.

oh but on the bright side these adult children take 1/3rd the salary of an actual adult.

I've done #3

[Patriam1066]

I can't believe people willingly work in sales. Go set up a stall in a bazaar back in esfahan fucking weirdos

[Patriam1066]

Selling to the masses and selling to business are 2 different things that I don't think you fully understand judging by your statement.

My friend for you I have very special price

[fash]

They think "Wow there are too many stupid people. Let's make a big competition where we take the top 5% of them and shower them with opportunity and give everyone else less...That should help with the stupid people problem."

To be fair, this approach works well where the dregs of society aren't subsidized and slowly die off along with their progeny. This is the truth behind pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.

[fash]

And even when the major would seem applicable (eg. Computer Science), it turns out it's really a proxy, because 80% of what you learn in computer science is not transferable to a programming job (that's why the major is called Computer Science and not Computer Programming).

Ultimately as computers/robots take over more and more jobs, and as the jobs remaining require real specialized skills that aren't taught in school (eg. practical programming), we're going to see more and more non-proxy solutions. Nine month hacker boot camps are a perfect example of this: I would much rather hire a fresh grad from Hack Reactor than a fresh Computer Science major ... even though the comp sci major spent four years and the Hack Reactor grad less than one. Because Hack Reactor is more about real skills and less about being a proxy, I know their grads are more likely to actually have the skills I need.

I gotta white knight for computer science grads here. No way I'd hire some 9 month hacker boot camp grad, unless that grad somehow managed to demonstrate he effectively understood what you'd otherwise have learned from a reputable computer science college. You wouldn't want to end up with a dev team composed of dilettantes and web devs tasked to solve challenging software engineering problems. There's a reason good CS grads get 100k+ out of college in entry level positions.

[JurisDictum]

I gotta white knight for computer science grads here. No way I'd hire some 9 month hacker boot camp grad, unless that grad somehow managed to demonstrate he effectively understood what you'd otherwise have learned from a reputable computer science college. You wouldn't want to end up with a dev team composed of dilettantes and web devs tasked to solve challenging software engineering problems. There's a reason good CS grads get 100k+ out of college in entry level positions.

That and because they usually have been working for free for 2 years.

[fash]

That and because they usually have been working for free for 2 years.

Decent CS internships are around 6k a month. (I should clarify, that's during summer vacation while in school. You don't really do internships after graduating with CS degrees.)

[AzzarTheGod]

tagged

[Lojik]

Triggered

[JurisDictum]

Decent CS internships are around 6k a month. (I should clarify, that's during summer vacation while in school. You don't really do internships after graduating with CS degrees.)

I meant during college. It has become customary to do internships for the last year or two. Summer Internships are exclusive in many fields -- but perhaps more attainable to CS.

Let me point out something that conservative (and I mean in the generic philosophical sense) have a rough time with. Getting a CS Degree is a clever move right now given the current dynamics of the economy. This assumes were talking about someone who likes working in computer science and doesn't have better options. OK, so what?

If lots of people did this... they would be paid less. And then it wouldn't be so fucking clever to be a CS major. This is probably what will happen at some point once Z and the other generation after it start hitting college. Computers are part of everyone's childhood now -- its not going to be as rare and in demand to get a good programing hire.

I come to fucking conservatives all the time with macro problems...and they answer me like I just asked them: "Hey Fash, whats the best move for a kid in a good middle class situation to make it these days.?"

"Oh computer science...fucking lady da. Let's get down to an inner city classroom and get Jammel typing and I'm sure the whole macro problem with wealth distribution we were talking about will just go away."

That is -- if they make it right? Because anyone that can't at least get a fucking CS degree is a piece of shit and waste of money. That is unitil it some other job in 5 years.

[mickmoranis]

betsy devos changing that obama shit about that one loan program forgiving all student debt that took money from them

the case was that this company gave false promises about graduation rates/income after graduation, but its changing thanks to the superior intelect of Betsy Devos:

was "did you have a loan through this company? yes? ok its forgiven now"

to "did you get a job with a salary of XX,XXX+? yes? ok it is no longer forgiven and you must pay it back"

Now, I think this is funny for a few reasons.. 1. the libcucks that were so happy about their debt being forgiven, will have to pay it back now after a few years of feelin good and liberal, and 2. it just fucking makes sense.

[JurisDictum]

betsy devos changing that obama shit about that one loan program forgiving all student debt that took money from them

the case was that this company gave false promises about graduation rates/income after graduation, but its changing thanks to the superior intelect of Betsy Devos:

was "did you have a loan through this company? yes? ok its forgiven now"

to "did you get a job with a salary of XX,XXX+? yes? ok it is no longer forgiven and you must pay it back"

Now, I think this is funny for a few reasons.. 1. the libcucks that were so happy about their debt being forgiven, will have to pay it back now after a few years of feelin good and liberal, and 2. it just fucking makes sense.

Pretty good idea. The problem: Law school. This is an enormous college loan bubble. Most these god damn morons used to get paid to do stuff people that make $20,000 a year do now. Only about 30% ever become real lawyers IMO.

That's going to be expensive to pay off. Honestly -- no loans for Lawschool might be a good practice. Scholarship only.

[mickmoranis]

my advice is, if you need loans for school then maybe forget about school.

[mickmoranis]

although, maybe take those loans, put em in bit coin.

worst case scenario is you lose it all, and end up with the same thing a diploma provides you: nothing and debt.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Mick, your signature pic has got me a thinking

What would the EQ mob be for Obama?

A Ni--er retard?

[loramin]

No way I'd hire some 9 month hacker boot camp grad, unless that grad somehow managed to demonstrate he effectively understood what you'd otherwise have learned from a reputable computer science college. You wouldn't want to end up with a dev team composed of dilettantes and web devs tasked to solve challenging software engineering problems. There's a reason good CS grads get 100k+ out of college in entry level positions.

Well, I'm just speaking from my experience: I've known many CS grads and actually hired two Hack Reactor grads. I wouldn't say every hacker boot camp grad is good, or even every Hack Reactor grad, but the ones we got were great hires. They were smart and knew the right technologies (eg. Babel, React), plus they were well-rounded. One had a PhD or Masters (I forget which) in Biology and the other was a Chinese Literate major who spoke both Chinese and Japanese fluently.

I got the sense that Hack Reactor had other similarly qualified graduates as well.

[Patriam1066]

I meant during college. It has become customary to do internships for the last year or two. Summer Internships are exclusive in many fields -- but perhaps more attainable to CS.

Let me point out something that conservative (and I mean in the generic philosophical sense) have a rough time with. Getting a CS Degree is a clever move right now given the current dynamics of the economy. This assumes were talking about someone who likes working in computer science and doesn't have better options. OK, so what?

If lots of people did this... they would be paid less. And then it wouldn't be so fucking clever to be a CS major. This is probably what will happen at some point once Z and the other generation after it start hitting college. Computers are part of everyone's childhood now -- its not going to be as rare and in demand to get a good programing hire.

I come to fucking conservatives all the time with macro problems...and they answer me like I just asked them: "Hey Fash, whats the best move for a kid in a good middle class situation to make it these days.?"

"Oh computer science...fucking lady da. Let's get down to an inner city classroom and get Jammel typing and I'm sure the whole macro problem with wealth distribution we were talking about will just go away."

That is -- if they make it right? Because anyone that can't at least get a fucking CS degree is a piece of shit and waste of money. That is unitil it some other job in 5 years.

There are no solutions to macro problems. All we can do is adapt

Telling someone to go engineering, nursing, or CS is solid and useful advice. None of us can immiediatley fix the shitty job outlook that most of the youth face, but we can counsel those among them willing to listen to accept Jesus Christ as lord and to stop fucking up. The best thing to do about mistakes is to not make them. That's how dad did it, that's how America does it

Hope this helps!!!!

[Patriam1066]

Mick, your signature pic has got me a thinking

What would the EQ mob be for Obama?

A Ni--er retard?

You could've actually made this funny if you thought of a clever and apropos mob

Instead you went for low hanging fruit. Disappointed, unimpressed, & praying 4 u

[AzzarTheGod]

You could've actually made this funny if you thought of a clever and apropos mob

Instead you went for low hanging fruit. Disappointed, unimpressed, & praying 4 u

*gives Patriam his first daps*

[Nilstoniakrath]

You could've actually made this funny if you thought of a clever and apropos mob

Instead you went for low hanging fruit. Disappointed, unimpressed, & praying 4 u

Let me guess. Your idea of an apropos mob for Odumba$$ is the Sleeper. With a few more hitpoints, 100x times faster regen and some other special tricks that would make that mob truly invincible. Sorry, I don't bow down and suckle his member like you and your ilk do.

[mickmoranis]

I think obammer would be... hmm... one of those Sphinxs in rathe mountains.

Because he looks good but when you kill em to get see their loot it turns out they got no content.

[Pokesan]

Moodoro Finharn

[JurisDictum]

The doubling of the standard deduction under the plan would lead to far fewer taxpayers choosing to itemize their taxes, meaning they wouldn’t be able to take advantage of the deduction for charitable giving. In other words, fewer people would get a tax break for making a gift to a university or other nonprofit organization.

That means some colleges are making an urgent push to connect with donors before the end of the year, warning that their ability to take advantage of the charitable deduction may go away next year under other provisions in the tax bill.

Boom -- suck it Harvard!

This is got to be my favorite part of the tax bill. In fact -- out of all the tax bills I hated -- this might be the best. At least there is some actual change taking place in the structure of taxes...

I just hope we can keep it going after Trump. It's all about making sure we never elect another corporate Democrat. IDK WTF Republicans are going to do without Trump...go back to Rubio and Bush LOL!

Mike Fitts, president of Tulane University, a private university in New Orleans that would not be hit with the endowment tax, said he nonetheless thinks it "will ultimately create a precedent and lead to taxation of nonprofits."

"I understand we have views about 'the rich.' ... The difference here is endowments are not wealth for individuals. They're wealth for an institution and a cause," Fitts said. "Where will that principle lead?"

I bring you the University version of the: "we'll just pass tax on to the customer" argument.

[Patriam1066]

If you really wanna get pissed, look at who defaults on their student loans or rides them out beyond 30 years

Hint: it's doctors and lawyers

Especially aggravating because I paid my daughter's $24k a year med school tuition

[JurisDictum]

Anyone who has outstanding student loans is advised to pay on them as little as possible for as long as they can. And keep all records of payment.

The political climate is rife with loan forgiveness. We are basically just waiting on a Democrat swing.

Edit:

The responsible way to do loan forgiveness would probably involve a bill that put stricter guidelines on who gets loans for what for how long. We also need to get schools to open their books and do some Marxist financial analysis (this is what they are actually afraid of whether you believe it or not...not the Trump people).

We know they are using poor kids to fund buildings to attract more rich kids and what they are convincing themselves is a virtuous cycle. But that isn't how it works. Once a campus attracts wealth -- the poor are the first to be shut out. Most the time it doesn't even work however, and they just waste poor kids money. That's the problem with experts -- a great deal of them are really corporate frauds with no ability to think for themselves. So mid tier universities get stuck with the bozo planners.

[skarlorn]

If you really wanna get pissed, look at who defaults on their student loans or rides them out beyond 30 years

Hint: it's doctors and lawyers

Especially aggravating because I paid my daughter's $24k a year med school tuition
Ya dude also Psychology PhDs. Many of them basically plan on defaulting from the get go. PATHETIC

[JurisDictum]

Ya dude also Psychology PhDs. Many of them basically plan on defaulting from the get go. PATHETIC

All you have to do is hire a god damn billing service, rent an office and listen to people at that point...that's a waste of PHD effort if you can't even drive that one home.

Edit: I just decided I'm going to switch careers to psychologist (PhD path). J/k but that's how easy it is. I could just do it in 4 years and make hundreds and hour. You just need to know how to do research and take few tests. A PhD psych program will probably take any BA/BS degree and background.

[Rader]

And all of this feedback is supposed to give me confidence in the US government? LOL

[fastboy21]

All you have to do is hire a god damn billing service, rent an office and listen to people at that point...that's a waste of PHD effort if you can't even drive that one home.

Edit: I just decided I'm going to switch careers to psychologist (PhD path). J/k but that's how easy it is. I could just do it in 4 years and make hundreds and hour. You just need to know how to do research and take few tests. A PhD psych program will probably take any BA/BS degree and background.

you're an idiot with no actual understanding of higher education, economics, or human behavior.

you've clearly never actually gone through any meaningful educational program and you've reduced higher education to the accumulation of a piece of paper that says you are qualified to do work that any fool who bought the "idiot's guide to something" book could have done with a little effort without any "degree" needed.

if you've never had an education --- or even worse, resent people who do --- of course you don't see its value. you don't know how to see it.

harvard, yale, the other tier 1 schools and programs have produced actual american and world leaders in their fields. not just elites at a country club. real education doing real work in the world that our country benefits from. put down the glue and go back to school.

[JurisDictum]

you're an idiot with no actual understanding of higher education, economics, or human behavior.

you've clearly never actually gone through any meaningful educational program and you've reduced higher education to the accumulation of a piece of paper that says you are qualified to do work that any fool who bought the "idiot's guide to something" book could have done with a little effort without any "degree" needed.

if you've never had an education --- or even worse, resent people who do --- of course you don't see its value. you don't know how to see it.

harvard, yale, the other tier 1 schools and programs have produced actual american and world leaders in their fields. not just elites at a country club. real education doing real work in the world that our country benefits from. put down the glue and go back to school.

That's not what we call an argument, dumb shit. But good job showing off how intellectually immature you are.

[skarlorn]

i personally enjoyed fastboy21's extremely personal assumption based insultfest and agree with the sentiment that elitism in competitive environments can be good.

not to say I agree with what he said about you jd , just that it was well written cyber bullying and that's like fine wine 2 me

[JurisDictum]

One of the problems is regulation around endowments. It's a corruption magnet. "Oops, our donor said we had to use this money for new buildings." Apparently not one of these damn people they court want to help affordability at all though?

Stellar endowment performance for the year ending in June was led by schools heavily invested in stocks. Institutions with complex investment strategies such as Yale University, which puts more than half of its assets in alternatives such as private equity and hedge funds, generally did poorer. Tiffany Jones, director of higher education policy at the Education Trust, said most endowment wealth is concentrated in just a few schools. Some 3 percent of colleges hold 75 percent of all endowment wealth, she said, while half of all colleges with endowments above $500 million come up short in enrolling first-time Pell Grant recipients, a need-based grant.

“These wealthy institutions need to enroll and support many more of the students who face the greatest barriers,” she said.

Meanwhile, tuition at private non-profit universities this academic year was more than double what it was 30 years ago, according to the College Board, adjusting for inflation. And in 2015, the most recent year for which data is available, 58 college presidents were being paid more than $1 million. The people who run the endowments are also cashing in. In 2015, Stephen Blyth, then chief executive of Harvard University’s endowment, was making $15 million, according to tax filings. Blyth didn’t return a request for comment. Harvard declined to comment.

But yea, it is way out of line to suggest there is room for reform.

[Ahldagor]

All you have to do is hire a god damn billing service, rent an office and listen to people at that point...that's a waste of PHD effort if you can't even drive that one home.

Edit: I just decided I'm going to switch careers to psychologist (PhD path). J/k but that's how easy it is. I could just do it in 4 years and make hundreds and hour. You just need to know how to do research and take few tests. A PhD psych program will probably take any BA/BS degree and background.

There's years of fieldwork that have to be done before you get a license too. Takes almost 8 years, average I'd say, to get fully certified. Bad example there pards.

[JurisDictum]

There's years of fieldwork that have to be done before you get a license too. Takes almost 8 years, average I'd say, to get fully certified. Bad example there pards.

Whatever -- I over-exaggerated how fast the post-graduate education and certification would take (by 2-4 years depending on state).

IF a guy has a PHD in Psychology -- he should not be 8 years out from starting a private practice! That's the hard part isn't it?

[mickmoranis]

you're an idiot with no actual understanding of higher education, economics, or human behavior.

you've clearly never actually gone through any meaningful educational program and you've reduced higher education to the accumulation of a piece of paper that says you are qualified to do work that any fool who bought the "idiot's guide to something" book could have done with a little effort without any "degree" needed.

if you've never had an education --- or even worse, resent people who do --- of course you don't see its value. you don't know how to see it.

Yea it’s about losing your virginity drinking and spending tens of thousands of dollars on that.

[JurisDictum]

I really want to hear a good reason why we need these top universities ATM...if they even are top at science research still (the most important form of academia). I'm talking the .025% that really just serve as gatekeepers to high-pay low-effort work of Urban America.

Lower tier universities serve the same purpose these days. Maybe always -- IDK, I wasn't alive back then to look at Harvard classrooms and ones from a typical state university. But I have -- in person -- seen the difference in teaching quality today.

In general, the top tier universities do not teach better. They are just there with a clipboard to make sure those pre-selected for success make it. There is actually very little teaching. It's just lectures, scantrons, short-answer/long-answer test questions (the best way to determine if someone actually knows something) are graded by overwhelmed graduate students that grade you based on who you sit next to in a 2-hour crunch session.

Nothing they teach at Harvard (except graduate-level stuff) is unique to Harvard (Yale, Stanford, whatever). There are some private schools that do teach things uniquely....I tend to associate this with Christian/conservative themed colleges. They don't have a great rap these days with many people inside the academy.

So why go to Harvard? Because it's a class signal: "look at me I got into Harvard." I don't hate those people for that -- but that's what it is lets not BS. Harvard doesn't create natural superiors by educating them better -- it affirms their pre-existing status as children of the elite.

It's one of the primary means of wealth entrenchment.

Another form of elite is people born with extremely rare talent and get in too. That's just as good as being born with money to an extent. These people are always helped -- it's not like America has historically kept their most talented citizens down. In yet, Harvard et al. trumpet out these people like they are proven examples of their benevolent behavior toward the less fortunate. Like they should get a round of applause for letting some poor girl with a 3.9 in that wants to major in Bio-chem. Yea -- thanks Harvard -- no one could have managed that but you.

If you find yourself lamenting the bout of criticism directed toward elite universities -- maybe you should ask yourself what kind of society you really want. What kind of "quality leadership" have these institutions been producing recently?

[skarlorn]

Barack Obama.

[Patriam1066]

Where'd bush go? Yale?

https://youtu.be/TCm9788Tb5g
LOL

[fastboy21]

That's not what we call an argument, dumb shit. But good job showing off how intellectually immature you are.

The man on the off topic section of the p99 forum's thinks i'm intellectually immature. noted.

you're the one making the assertion, not me. i don't have to make an argument, you do. your argument is worthless...therefore, i don't have to do anything.

i do enjoy laughing at you, your stupidity, your desire to lash out at "elite universities" here on the p99 forums, your ignorance about higher education, etc.

you have no idea what you are talking about, but you probably already knew that. how could someone without a real degree in anything possibly understand the purpose or value of actual higher education? in your case, you don't.

i especially laughed when you equated getting a degree in clinical psych to essentially paying the bills and having the patience to wait a few years for your degree to arrive in the mail. clearly. no. clue.

[skarlorn]

Where'd bush go? Yale?

https://youtu.be/TCm9788Tb5g
LOL

In a lot of ways Bush could be considered a genius


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[Ahldagor]

In a lot of ways Bush could be considered a genius


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Trump light, then cool-balcony-smoker guy, and now Trump? For considerations of course.

[skarlorn]

I like the words you're writing and yet I do not comprehend their meaning it is interesting how letter aesthetic does that huh


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[Patriam1066]

I like the words you're writing and yet I do not comprehend their meaning it is interesting how letter aesthetic does that huh


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Lol hahaha

[Pokesan]

The man on the off topic section of the p99 forum's thinks i'm intellectually immature. noted.

you're the one making the assertion, not me. i don't have to make an argument, you do. your argument is worthless...therefore, i don't have to do anything.

i do enjoy laughing at you, your stupidity, your desire to lash out at "elite universities" here on the p99 forums, your ignorance about higher education, etc.

you have no idea what you are talking about, but you probably already knew that. how could someone without a real degree in anything possibly understand the purpose or value of actual higher education? in your case, you don't.

i especially laughed when you equated getting a degree in clinical psych to essentially paying the bills and having the patience to wait a few years for your degree to arrive in the mail. clearly. no. clue.

this person is rustled by an incoherent marxist

[skarlorn]

Precision, by Pokesan

[JurisDictum]

The man on the off topic section of the p99 forum's thinks i'm intellectually immature. noted.

you're the one making the assertion, not me. i don't have to make an argument, you do. your argument is worthless...therefore, i don't have to do anything.

i do enjoy laughing at you, your stupidity, your desire to lash out at "elite universities" here on the p99 forums, your ignorance about higher education, etc.

you have no idea what you are talking about, but you probably already knew that. how could someone without a real degree in anything possibly understand the purpose or value of actual higher education? in your case, you don't.

i especially laughed when you equated getting a degree in clinical psych to essentially paying the bills and having the patience to wait a few years for your degree to arrive in the mail. clearly. no. clue.

I understand everything about higher education.

All of it.

You however -- do not understand anything about the topic -- clearly. Hence your stupid posts

I don't have to prove any of this -- because fastboys arguments are worthless and I win by doing nothing.

[skarlorn]

Actually u lose bc u support mediocrity in all things


gotem

[skarlorn]

Yes my undergrad in creative writing is garbage unless u wanna go do an MFA in creative writing which is basically piling radioactive waste onto a garbage bin and calling it Art. I was smart enough to pull out of that nose dive and crash my plane into the Towers of Private business then use my cunning communication skills to sell millions of dollars worth of self help programs to the desperate plebeian masses who believe in magic

That's basically best case scenario for an arts degree. Ban them from higher education, pump out more useful degrees, and let the so called artists starve, break under the yoke of capitalism, or get lucky and succeed

[JurisDictum]

Yes my undergrad in creative writing is garbage unless u wanna go do an MFA in creative writing which is basically piling radioactive waste onto a garbage bin and calling it Art. I was smart enough to pull out of that nose dive and crash my plane into the Towers of Private business then use my cunning communication skills to sell millions of dollars worth of self help programs to the desperate plebeian masses who believe in magic

That's basically best case scenario for an arts degree. Ban them from higher education, pump out more useful degrees, and let the so called artists starve, break under the yoke of capitalism, or get lucky and succeed

The problem with this is it interferes with all the plans to create a Marxist power center populated by liberal arts majors. So were going to have to go the free education rout instead guys.

I mean you can go ahead and try to stop it and all. You can be the guys against paying for peoples' education in an era of automation and see how that goes.

Edit: I guess most people are unaware that elite universities have historically been very conservative on economics and politics. This is where the fake studies get generated for the fake news to give out fake solutions for our fake problems. So they see a lefty criticize Harvard and their head explodes.

[loramin]

There are a lot of sh!t degrees available is the problem. You should not be able to get a PhD in history for example, it devalues the entire education system.

Pretty much all non-math non-science degrees devalue the educational system now that I think about it.

As a former Modern Literature major (Education minor) who is now a programming team lead, I couldn't disagree more.

The sciences provide you with knowledge, true ... but most of it isn't very useful in a practical sense. Just ask most real-world scientists how much Organic Chemistry they actually use in their job, or ask any Psychiatrist if they can even remember their Statistics class :) The same is true for "Computer Science": while you certainly do learn some useful knowledge about programming, 90% of it is stuff no one ever uses on the job.

It turns out this is by design: colleges aren't trade schools. The latter teach marketable knowledge, while the former teach academic knowledge. So then why would anyone even go to college if it's not for the knowledge? And why would anyone major in the humanities, where the knowledge is 100% useless unless you go into academia yourself?

Well for one thing, most jobs expect that they'll have to train new college grads. Even if you graduated magna cum laude in Economics that won't be enough for you to succeed as a financial analyst; whatever firm hires you will wind up teaching you. But then why don't these firms just hire high school grads?

The answer is skills and experience. I wrote A LOT of essays in college. Like maybe five per class/quarter (for three classes for twelve quarters = maybe 180 essays?) Believe it or not, they made me a better programmer. Programming requires the same kind of logical thinking that you use to make an argument in a Literature essay, and the same communicative ability that one needs to properly name classes/functions, write useful documentation, etc.

I'm not the only one who feels this way. I went to school with a guy who co-founded the Django framework (the dominant framework used to make websites in Python). He was a Literature major also. Another talented programmer on my team was a Chinese Literature major, another was formerly a PhD in Biology, and another (the best junior engineer I've ever known) had a major in Criminology. I could keep going but you get the idea.

The point is, a good liberal arts education provides you with experience and skills that are valuable in many "knowledge worker" professions ... even if the actual liberal arts knowledge is only good for finding obscure references in shows like Lost or the Librarians ;)

[Jimjam]

Yes my undergrad in creative writing is garbage unless u wanna go do an MFA in creative writing which is basically piling radioactive waste onto a garbage bin and calling it Art. I was smart enough to pull out of that nose dive and crash my plane into the Towers of Private business then use my cunning communication skills to sell millions of dollars worth of self help programs to the desperate plebeian masses who believe in magic

That's basically best case scenario for an arts degree. Ban them from higher education, pump out more useful degrees, and let the so called artists starve, break under the yoke of capitalism, or get lucky and succeed

As a forum user you get excellent value out of your creative ranting degree!

[skarlorn]

Thank you for appreciating that fact Jimjam, I ruminate on it frequently

[Jimjam]

Also, having a degree tells employers you are happy to black hole a shit load of your time and effort on the same thing for 3 years in order to make a third party a shit load of money.

As an employer, workers that will accept living below the poverty line but still deliver results are attractive.

I can't believe these masochists get suckered into unpaid internships between university and 'real' employment too!

[Pokesan]

i used to think jd was really smart.
but then i read his posts.

the point is, everybody makes mistakes.

[JurisDictum]

i used to think jd was really smart.
but then i read his posts.

the point is, everybody makes mistakes.

Pokesan used to be funny 100%. Now he just does this hit and miss contrarian shit and his heart isn't even in it.

[skarlorn]

I thought it was funny

[Pokesan]

there's no profit in pandering to the tankie demographic. no content for you bub!!

[AzzarTheGod]

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