Ruining EQ

[dylanloud]

Eroding the user base by using some bs raid stuff when a big fun open raid spent 6 hours killing stuff and then stopping it because of some rules that shouldn't apply to it is going to bite us in the ass. I get big guilds vying for mobs, but the shit tonight was ridiculous. Screw this. Thanks Lord Bob!

[Hyjalx]

Grats Lord BoB on Ikitar the Venom and Lady Nev!

We were minutes away from engaging Lady M and Vulak and CSG pushed us out of the zone because they were about to lose Vulak (supposedly the server good guys)

Was fun folks. See you next time! Merry Christmas!

[Dolalin]

[Sat Dec 23 11:24:30 2017] Sirken says out of character, '* just a reminder, if your raid force had more than two people in North Wing when Lady M spawned, then you are DQ'd from Lady M. *'

Also, in before RnF.

[Foxplay]

Whats that rules that prevent auto clicking on top of spawn points, also prevent actually raiding like normal and instead promote poopsocking /face tracking / screen sharing / batphones, and zone pulls?

Say it isn't so...this must be a new development...

Oh wait... nope

[Dolalin]

That's a debatable point. But it wasn't "big bad CSG" (lol, by the way) that shut you down, it was the server rules. Take it up with the staff if you don't like them.

[Pan]

N and Vulak were up because of that very rule - in that it applies to everyone and we didn't want to be in risk of violating it yesterday with M in window.

[Mytral]

Grats Lord BoB on Ikitar the Venom and Lady Nev!

We were minutes away from engaging Lady M and Vulak and CSG pushed us out of the zone because they were about to lose Vulak (supposedly the server good guys)



That moment you realize end game content rules on P99.

[Burt]

But this was an open raid full of good guy casuals like Hyjal! Server rules in place for years don't apply to them!

[Yoink1986]

Regardless Gratz Lord bob on gettin 2 tov kills and some loot for peeps who don’t norm kill there.

[Ennewi]

Grats Lord BoB on Ikitar the Venom and Lady Nev!

We were minutes away from engaging Lady M and Vulak and CSG pushed us out of the zone because they were about to lose Vulak (supposedly the server good guys)

Was fun folks. See you next time! Merry Christmas!

So either you had no knowledge of the rule and fed lofty promises to everyone in attendance or you knew the rule and made the same promises anyway in the hope that the rule somehow wouldn't be applied to you. Based on your lengthy history here, the latter sounds more likely. In either case, taking responsibility for the situation you brought to a head would have been the commendable action to take.

[Baler]

So,.. broke rules and are now mad about it.
k, thanks.

[Pokesan]

So,.. broke rules and are now mad about it.
k, thanks.

[Pheer]

Quality casual guild vs casual guild rule lawyering thread in the making right here. Sirken should disband A/A and let the casual guilds tear eachother apart in the pixel frenzy so they can become the very thing theyve despised for all these years

[Heebs13]

Quality casual guild vs casual guild rule lawyering thread in the making right here. Sirken should disband A/A and let the casual guilds tear eachother apart in the pixel frenzy so they can become the very thing theyve despised for all these years

Lol we (CSG) didn't do anything. We were asleep. Lord Bob did it to themselves.

[PL_Barton]

Lol we (CSG) didn't do anything. We were asleep. Lord Bob did it to themselves.

Can confirm, I was PTFO from 9PM CST-8AM

[Bugaman]

Lol we (CSG) didn't do anything. We were asleep. Lord Bob did it to themselves.

Fun that Hyjal damn well knows the server rules and decided to ignore them, thus getting his pickup raid burned, then hops on the bandwagon with his raiders and tries to scapegoat CSG.

Merry Xmas guys, sorry the exact reason we didn't go for M earlier in the day happened to you guys. Hyjal knew, Hyjal took you anyway.

[Lhancelot]

Please mods. RnF this.

[aaezil]

wow csg gets every mob in tov for 20 days and throws a hissy when open raid wants to kill a couple? Turning into the very thing you hate?

[Lhancelot]

Fun that Hyjal damn well knows the server rules and decided to ignore them, thus getting his pickup raid burned, then hops on the bandwagon with his raiders and tries to scapegoat CSG.

Merry Xmas guys, sorry the exact reason we didn't go for M earlier in the day happened to you guys. Hyjal knew, Hyjal took you anyway.

Bugaman, one of the only old timers left in AG. A player who always played with true honor I might add.

Speak and elaborate on this? Otherwise the recently poor reputation of CSG is going to do the talking.

[Heebs13]

Bugaman, one of the only old timers left in AG. A player who always played with true honor I might add.

Speak and elaborate on this? Otherwise the recently poor reputation of CSG is going to do the talking.

Pretty simple sequence of events.

1. Lady N and Vulak were both up.
2. CSG opted not to do either of them, because Lady M was in window and we knew if we were up at Lady N when she spawned, we would be barred from attempting her and therefore blocked fro Vulak.
3. Lord Bob went to Lady N.
4. Lady M spawned while they were at Lady N.
5. They tried to do lady M anyway.
6. Sirken told them they are DQed from Lady M.
7. They all blamed CSG.

/shrug. I'd love to know how this is CSG's fault, or what bad reputation you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure I'll just get a bunch of bullshit either way.

[Lhancelot]

Pretty simple sequence of events.

1. Lady N and Vulak were both up.
2. CSG opted not to do either of them, because Lady M was in window and we knew if we were up at Lady N when she spawned, we would be barred from attempting her and therefore blocked fro Vulak.
3. Lord Bob went to Lady N.
4. Lady M spawned while they were at Lady N.
5. They tried to do lady M anyway.
6. Sirken told them they are DQed from Lady M.
7. They all blamed CSG.

/shrug. I'd love to know how this is CSG's fault, or what bad reputation you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure I'll just get a bunch of bullshit either way.

No that suffices, I just thought it would be good to understand the sequence of events since the event was posted about with a negative connotation.

I also want to put out there that players like Bugaman are extraordinarily rare. This dude is probably one of the most selfless guys I ever ran across on this game with zero ego and a heart of gold.

He used to run zones with players where he gained nothing and did it just to help them learn/experience places they were not very familiar with like HS. He'd volunteer to tank and commandeer them through the dungeon for hours.

I seen him do this many many times and he never got any credit for it from anyone that I ever seen. I always thought if only people like him ran guilds, how much more fun things would be on this server.

***Just saying I am a big fan of Bugaman. Glad to see he still on the server.

[Dolalin]

It's a deflection game now Buga. He needs to invent a villain to make himself look the victim. Problem is nobody's buying it.

[Sadiki]

I also want to put out there that players like Bugaman are extraordinarily rare. This dude is probably one of the most selfless guys I ever ran across on this game with zero ego and a heart of gold.
You couldn't be more incorrect. Yesterday, I saw Buga run in and killsteal a WW dragon from another guild without even asking! He gave away the loot, though.

[Lhancelot]

He gave away the loot, though.

Thank you for confirming my point of what a standup player Bugaman is, one of the most unselfish people you could ever meet on p99.

[skarlorn]

Casual raiders are often the worst

[kempoguy80]

Pretty simple sequence of events.

1. Lady N and Vulak were both up.
2. CSG opted not to do either of them, because Lady M was in window and we knew if we were up at Lady N when she spawned, we would be barred from attempting her and therefore blocked fro Vulak.
3. Lord Bob went to Lady N.
4. Lady M spawned while they were at Lady N.
5. They tried to do lady M anyway.
6. Sirken told them they are DQed from Lady M.
7. They all blamed CSG.

/shrug. I'd love to know how this is CSG's fault, or what bad reputation you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure I'll just get a bunch of bullshit either way.

Please confirm that it wasn't a CSG petition that ended the raid, cause that's why CSG is getting blamed.

[Lhancelot]

Casual raiders are often the worst

Casuals aint worse, but they do have equally greedy neckbeards in their guilds as the top tier raid guilds do, just with less talent and skill which keeps them under guilds like AW and AM.

***CSG and other lower tier raid guilds are like the minor leagues, whereas AW/AM are the major leagues.

[Pan]

I escalated it after CSG reps spoke with those involved...to no avail.

I argued to keep CSG out of there yesterday out of respect for that particular rule - consequently leaving N and Vulak up (Ikitar as well, but for other reasons).

Had we not made that decision, this conversation would not be happening because N and Vulak would have died yesterday.

But it makes no sense to me to keep the CSG guys in check, rulewise, if that's not going to be the broader standard. I'd be irresponsible to ask our people to do something and have them watch others not held to the same standard and acting with impunity.

[xrend]

Casuals aint worse, but they do have equally greedy neckbeards in their guilds as the top tier raid guilds do, just with less talent and skill which keeps them under guilds like AW and AM.

***CSG and other lower tier raid guilds are like the minor leagues, whereas AW/AM are the major leagues.

Why are you still talking about raiding? Dude looks at some pictures of Earth from space and wants to tell everyone what it's like to be an astronaut.

[branamil]

Lord Bob and CSG are the new AA.

[Fasttimes]

Csg stopping casuals :(

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/irzOtKB.png

[eezl]

What seperates A/A is the sheer amount of effort they go to to prevent more casual guilds to get the lower raid mobs needed to get the upper raid mobs. If they didnt perma camp forces to kill golems, naggy, vox, sev, and others, casual guilds would actually get bladestoppers, prayers, and the other items needed to do the pulls the way the top guilds have forced the server raid rules to work for them. If training mobs to allow a boss pull to a zone line is the only way we are going to get to compete, that competition wont happen for a long time, due to A/A.

[jpetrick]

What seperates A/A is the sheer amount of effort they go to to prevent more casual guilds to get the lower raid mobs needed to get the upper raid mobs. If they didnt perma camp forces to kill golems, naggy, vox, sev, and others, casual guilds would actually get bladestoppers, prayers, and the other items needed to do the pulls the way the top guilds have forced the server raid rules to work for them. If training mobs to allow a boss pull to a zone line is the only way we are going to get to compete, that competition wont happen for a long time, due to A/A.

Aside from DA idols and mages parked at the correct locations, you don't really need anything else to pull dragons to zone in.

[diamondfist]

What seperates A/A is the sheer amount of effort they go to to prevent more casual guilds to get the lower raid mobs needed to get the upper raid mobs. If they didnt perma camp forces to kill golems, naggy, vox, sev, and others, casual guilds would actually get bladestoppers, prayers, and the other items needed to do the pulls the way the top guilds have forced the server raid rules to work for them. If training mobs to allow a boss pull to a zone line is the only way we are going to get to compete, that competition wont happen for a long time, due to A/A.

The items you listed have no effect in the current raid scene when it comes to pulling 99.8% of the time. The bladestopper and prayers are hail mary pass when the plan already broke down...


Been this way since they put in non classic leashing, and removed binds in tov.


Truth is it takes teamwork and skill to do things. Couple that with less desire to obtain certain goals... that's what separates hardcore raiders vs casuals
Just one of those 3 pieces missing handicaps casuals from competing.


Most skill player on the server? Good luck, doing anything without a good support group when it comes to raid content.

Have that burning desire to be the best but no talent, or ability to learn? Should start praying or find friends to carry you.

An amazing team of players, who don't feel comfortable under pressure, or to lazy to get out of bed inconvenient times of the day? Hope you're not thirsty cause pixels wont be quenching that thirst.


Its very simple why there is a divide here. Help yourselves, and stop pointing fingers as to why you are being "oppressed"

[skarlorn]

real question is Why is Lord Bob only raiding when A/A are banned? You were supposed to destroy them, not join them!

[Mytral]

Please confirm that it wasn't a CSG petition that ended the raid, cause that's why CSG is getting blamed.

What?!?!?! I though rules applied to everyone but me!

[branamil]

So called “casual” guild petitions an open server-wide raid, that included in part Kittens, the nicest guild on the server. My my how low have they fallen. Who petitions fluffy kittens so so they could have the precious loot all to themselves? Really hope this opens peoples eyes to how greedy this “casual” guild is.

[kempoguy80]

What?!?!?! I though rules applied to everyone but me!

haha no actually I am just trying to stop the spin that Sirken just happened to wander down to ToV and stop the raid. It was a CSG petition that prompted him to do so. I actually agree with Cloki's reasoning that if he is holding his people to follow the rules then he will hold others to that same standard. I do also understand that it ruined a lot of people's fun who may have never even been to NToV before and didn't have a clear understanding of the myriad of raiding rules on this server.

[Skew]

Csg stopping casuals :(

Can confirm.
My step-mom has an alt in Europa and was privvy to a lot of "fraps or it didnt happen" comments yesterday.

[Pokesan]

all i want for christmas is a batphone gif

[Fasttimes]

Can confirm.
My step-mom has an alt in Europa and was privvy to a lot of "fraps or it didnt happen" comments yesterday.

Yea I'm highly disappointed . The server will atleast know now how mean these guys are.

[diamondfist]

haha no actually I am just trying to stop the spin that Sirken just happened to wander down to ToV and stop the raid. It was a CSG petition that prompted him to do so. I actually agree with Cloki's reasoning that if he is holding his people to follow the rules then he will hold others to that same standard. I do also understand that it ruined a lot of people's fun who may have never even been to NToV before and didn't have a clear understanding of the myriad of raiding rules on this server.

So there was a formal petition placed? With fraps and logs of evidence of the rule being broken... How do you get on scene intervention? Cause if everything was the same for AA and casuals by all means the pickup raid should have killed anything they wanted... and the by the time the petition was acted on... if action would be taken the AA suspension would be over.

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/wWP9L9r.gif

[Sirken]

So there was a formal petition placed? With fraps and logs of evidence of the rule being broken... How do you get on scene intervention? Cause if everything was the same for AA and casuals by all means the pickup raid should have killed anything they wanted... and the by the time the petition was acted on... if action would be taken the AA suspension would be over.

I was going to address this, but then I realized you clearly have it all figured out ;)


https://i.imgur.com/mFlujWk.jpg

[Fasttimes]

I was going to address this, but then I realized you clearly have it all figured out ;)


https://i.imgur.com/mFlujWk.jpg

Killing 1 hour lockouts killed casuals. That's the real crime

[Sirken]

Killing 1 hour lockouts killed casuals. That's the real crime

https://i.imgur.com/gM2tyFJ.gif

[Fasttimes]

https://i.imgur.com/gM2tyFJ.gif

Still the truth tho

[Sirken]

Still the truth tho

Still dumb. Only thing that got hurt by the 1hr locks was Rustle, and yes I feel bad when anything has a negative effect on a guild or group of players. But since nearly every FTE Race was won via cheating, yes we decided to remove it. You're welcome.

[Fasttimes]

Still dumb. Only thing that got hurt by the 1hr locks was Rustle, and yes I feel bad when anything has a negative effect on a guild or group of players. But since nearly every FTE Race was won via cheating, yes we decided to remove it. You're welcome.

I mean that was the only casual guild competing but we were competing least someone tried even if they were cheating. Assimilate or die I guess.

[Argh]

Nobody is above the rules.

[diamondfist]

I was going to address this, but then I realized you clearly have it all figured out ;)


https://i.imgur.com/mFlujWk.jpg


Awe Sirken! You're making me blush, You certainly admit to my inner Rockstar with that picture.

9240

[Sirken]

but we were competing least someone tried even if they were cheating.
That^ mentality is what's wrong with the top 2 guilds, and most likely why they keep finding themselves being put in the corner. Cheating is not competing, bad little boys and girls get put in timeout when they break the rules. Sorry if that concept is too hard for you to wrap your head around.

Anything else?

[Fasttimes]

That^ mentality is what's wrong with the top 2 guilds, and most likely why they keep finding themselves being put in the corner. Cheating is not competing, bad little boys and girls get put in timeout when they break the rules. Sorry if that concept is too hard for you to wrap your head around.

Anything else?

They not we. We just picked our 1-3 mobs. I.e. Rustle.

[Fasttimes]

That^ mentality is what's wrong with the top 2 guilds, and most likely why they keep finding themselves being put in the corner. Cheating is not competing, bad little boys and girls get put in timeout when they break the rules. Sorry if that concept is too hard for you to wrap your head around.

Anything else?

I was in rustle and we never were in time out

[Sirken]

I was in rustle and we never were in time out

I see reading comprehension isn't your forte, that's fine though, as always I'm here to help. I said that was the problem with "the top two guilds". I did not say that was the problem with Rustle.

But with your attitude of "cheating is competing" I have a feeling you'd have no problem finding an active guild that shares your mindset.

xoxo

[skarlorn]

Fucking pras Sirken I will die one hundred times over if it stops the cheating pixel addicts from their corrupted ways

[Fasttimes]

I see reading comprehension isn't your forte, that's fine though, as always I'm here to help. I said that was the problem with "the top two guilds". I did not say that was the problem with Rustle.

But with your attitude of "cheating is competing" I have a feeling you'd have no problem finding an active guild that shares your mindset.

xoxo

No you aren't reading . I said we were trying to compete in an cheating evironment. I get you fixed the environment but that's not a mentality issue that's a working with what we got. So best option is to destroy it? Seems fair

[Docx]

It’s sad to see CSG shitting on the casuals ever since they became top dog on the server.

[skarlorn]

It’s sad to see CSG shitting on the casuals ever since they became top dog on the server.

Par for the course tbqh

[Tupakk]

CSG isn’t can allergies Casual Scum Guilds for nothing they waited for their moment to petition so The has could have a clean shot at it cause of their speed.

They still trying for it last I heard.

4 more chances at dragons. Lord Bob can play Petition Quest if that’s the the game CSG wants to play.

Didn’t think it was gonna be like this but clearly that’s how it’s been laid out.

GL CSG don’t fuck up we’re watching you. *muah*

[Phenyo]

It’s sad to see CSG shitting on the casuals ever since they became top dog on the server.

[Pokesan]

Killing 1 hour lockouts killed casuals. That's the real crime

https://i.imgur.com/gM2tyFJ.gif

lmao

[Sirken]

No you aren't reading . I said we were trying to compete in an cheating evironment. I get you fixed the environment but that's not a mentality issue that's a working with what we got. So best option is to destroy it? Seems fair

You know what? You're right, I can see your halo now.

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[Fasttimes]

You know what? You're right, I can see your halo now.

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

Papaver>sirken

[Argh]

I don't think ensuring that people are following the same rules you are following is 'shitting on the casuals'. Hyjal's been around long enough to know the raid rules. The rules are only optional if you're the only ones trying for those mobs.

Cloki is the last person who would try to be rule-lawyering out of malice or spite.

[Docx]

Cloki is the last person who would try to be rule-lawyering out of malice or spite.

Well, technically Since A/A is suspended Cloki is the LAST person left..... and is rule lawyering the ultra casuals out of their fun.... confirmed he is the most hated individual for the next 20 days!

[Sirken]

Papaver>sirken

https://i.imgur.com/OyU433h.jpg

[Fasttimes]

https://i.imgur.com/OyU433h.jpg

Hard pass, going back to work done with lunch break. Take care

[Tupakk]

Well, technically Since A/A is suspended Cloki is the LAST person left..... and is rule lawyering the ultra casuals out of their fun.... confirmed he is the most hated individual for the next 20 days!

If you’ve listened to Cloki talk he sounds exactly like the Rule lawyer.

Go back to Sirkens Supercast and listen to him and his view on raiding. It will give you a great insight on how he deals with raiding.

[Sirken]

Hard pass, going back to work done with lunch break. Take care

Likewise sir. Have a wonderful day and enjoy the rest of your weekend <3

http://i.imgur.com/Rcr3m1s.gif

[Hyjalx]

This isn't about CSG. This isn't about Sirken. I actually like the direction hes taking the server. Blue has experimented with changing a lot of things, but this is the closest to original EQ as it gets at the moment.... besides maybe the vulak mechanic not working properly and permitting leashing in that zone too soon /cough


Lord BoB did not have any timers. I spent 3-4 days watching logs in ToV trying to get timers for next week. We were not not expecting to be in North. We killed Ikitar. Lady Nev was up, and when you have 60 people in a pick up raid and Lady Nev is up, you go.


CSG was right in the rule. If we were DQ'd from Lady M, we were DQ'd. We didn't do a good enough job watching track after we saw Ikitar up. Plain and simple.

The only issue with how things played out is how CSG used the same rules they complain about against a pick up raid.

The only difference between CSG and A/A is that CSG is unwilling to put the time in, and A/A is.

[Nexii]

You know what? You're right, I can see your halo now.

https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

Halo indeed, rip Rustle. If quakes were more frequent or had come sooner we might have stayed on.

A better system can replace FTE racing. The current server rule set only works for the 1%, i.e. the most hardcore within AM/AWK. It doesn't work for the casuals or even the majority of AM/AWK membership. The rules are very complex. I get how and why the rules evolve but so many are unwritten or subjective. Casual players don't understand it as shown by the Lord Bob raid.

Can you blow up what's in place now as well? 20 days isn't going to phase the top 2 guilds. I think punishments for cheating should be much more severe and levied on individuals rather than guilds. Delete raid loot from cheated kills and repop the dragons in these cases.

[Phenyo]

The only difference between CSG and A/A is that CSG is unwilling to put the time in, and A/A is.

[Danth]

Can you blow up what's in place now as well? 20 days isn't going to phase the top 2 guilds.

I don't think it's really intended to phase anyone so much as the suspensions have turned into P99's version of a rotation.

Danth

[Sirken]

Halo indeed, rip Rustle. If quakes were more frequent or had come sooner we might have stayed on.

A better system can replace FTE racing. The current server rule set only works for the 1%, i.e. the most hardcore within AM/AWK. It doesn't work for the casuals or even the majority of AM/AWK membership. The rules are very complex. I get how and why the rules evolve but so many are unwritten or subjective. Casual players don't understand it as shown by the Lord Bob raid.

Can you blow up what's in place now as well? 20 days isn't going to phase the top 2 guilds. I think punishments for cheating should be much more severe and levied on individuals rather than guilds. Delete raid loot from cheated kills and repop the dragons in these cases.

I have fought for more earthquakes for a very, very long time. But I have no control over, or prior knowledge of Earthquakes / Simulated repops.

I don't claim the raid scene is perfect by any means, and if you have suggestions I'd very much like to read them over. Feel free to submit a forum petition, or shoot a PM.

[Pokesan]

This isn't about CSG. This isn't about Sirken. I actually like the direction hes taking the server. Blue has experimented with changing a lot of things, but this is the closest to original EQ as it gets at the moment.... besides maybe the vulak mechanic not working properly and permitting leashing in that zone too soon /cough


Lord BoB did not have any timers. I spent 3-4 days watching logs in ToV trying to get timers for next week. We were not not expecting to be in North. We killed Ikitar. Lady Nev was up, and when you have 60 people in a pick up raid and Lady Nev is up, you go.


CSG was right in the rule. If we were DQ'd from Lady M, we were DQ'd. We didn't do a good enough job watching track after we saw Ikitar up. Plain and simple.

The only issue with how things played out is how CSG used the same rules they complain about against a pick up raid.

The only difference between CSG and A/A is that CSG is unwilling to put the time in, and A/A is.

so much for the tolerant left

[branamil]

It’s almost as if the raiding mechanics of EQ are so primitive that a brittle jenga tower of rules is needed to support basic raiding. These problems will never go away no matter how many rules or suspensions are doled out. In 2020 the top guild will be suspended for stepping in the wrong eggshell.

[Shrubwise]

1. Enable PvP for every raid zone
2. All problems solved
3. You are welcome

[Phenyo]

1. Enable PvP for every raid zone
2. All problems solved
3. You are welcome

Tired of the petitionquest? Just make it the wild west! Bring back train wars, hands off CSR TOV let them fight it out.

[Nexii]

I don't think it's really intended to phase anyone so much as the suspensions have turned into P99's version of a rotation.

Danth

No if Sirken believed in enforced rotations we'd already have one. I don't think they should be a thing either. Kills should be earned and not handed out. When you get to handing out pixels it takes out all the fun of the game (being fast/organized/improving).

A simpler rule set would go a long ways. Adding more and more rules to the Jenga tower only makes it worse. Allow guilds to camp out at targets. Give an hour notice ahead of quakes so casual guilds can mobilize.

[ItsDeckard]

Table of Contents

5 Introduction
5 What This Handbook Is About
5 Why Read This Handbook
5 How to Use This Handbook
6 How You Will Learn
7 Symbols

Part 1 : License to Operate Field Jump Kit

9 Eligibility Criteria
9 Learning to Operate a Field Jump Kit

Part 2 : Types and Components of Field Jump Kit

13 Types of Field Jump Kits
16 Components of Field Jump Kits
18 Field Jump Kit Controls
19 Gate and Jump Mechanism
19 Types of Use of Different Energy
20 Manufacturer's Date Plate
21 Trans-Dimensional Control
22 Field Jump Kit Attachments


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What This Handbook is About

This handbook is about the skills and knowledge required to safely operate a Field Jump Kit. The handbook is for either a light shift with unlimited mass transfer or heavy shift with a limited mass of no more than 7.5 tonnes. The training course for both types of shifts is the same. The license issued will depend on the Field Jump Kit used for the license tests at the completion of the course.

Why Read This Handbook

This handbook tells you about some of the legal requirements for operators of light and heavy shifting equipment (Field Jump Kit) in PRQ-3343369, along with safety information, background material, technical information and safe operating procedures.

How to Use This Handbook

The Table of Contents will show you where to find each section. At the end of each section, there is a section called Test Yourself questions to help you check if you have understood the important issues.



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Types of Field Jump Kits

A Field Jump Kit is a transportation module similar to a phase shift or shift line module that utilizes a large amount of captive energy to induce a stable field in which can be used to adjust the placement of personnel within the spherical field. The Field Jump Kit operator operates the coordinates and telemetry data needed to safely remove, exchange or deposit operators, technicians and field equipment to specific locations within the approachable range of the Field Jump Kit. When engaged, the Field Jump Kit will use the energy stored within the on board capacitors in order to temporarily create a stable field and moved according to directions given by the operator. During the shift, the operator is of the highest rank and any decisions made within the stable field must be allowed by them.

Field Jump Kits are used only by authorized, license operators.

- Licensed by Miang Enterprise
- Licensed by Hawwa Propulsion Laboratory
- Licensed by Minashima Telemetry and Associates

There are a wide range of Field Jump Kits, including dumb-fire kits suitable for non-licensed personnel in emergency situations. Field Jump Kits vary in size, ranging from one-hundred pounds (lbs) for general purpose use, up to 50 tonne capacity high density transfer.


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Components of Field Jump Kits

All Field Jump Kits have similar components but these may be located in different places, depending on the type of unit:

- Class 1 units are electrical-motor rider units, either stand-up operator or seated three-point units. Rider units are counterbalanced and may have a cushion or pneumatic emergence tools to maintain a stable landing position.

- Class 2 units are electric-motor units used for narrow terrain such as a city, ruin or crowded target area. They may have extra reach or error-correction mid-shift. It is not recommended to operate a Class 2 unit in wooded or densely populated areas due to it's sensors misunderstanding particle density of foliage or human flesh.

- Class 3 units are electric-motor units without a platform and feature handles for operators and technicians to hold as a shift occurs. A Class 3 unit's purpose is to allow rapid deployment of operators and technicians in high stress or high volatility environments.

- Class 4 units are rider units with a seat and restraint bar / belt combinations to sustain hard drops when shifting into uncertain terrain conditions ie, an earthquake, hurricane, ground erosion, unsuitable or unstable terrain, possible lack of terrain. Restraint bars and restraint belts should be used to minimize death. Operators and technicians utilizing a Class 4 unit are required to wear safety equipment including, but not limited to, reinforced skeletal unit, reinforced atmosphere flight helmets, reinforced bullet and piercing resistance jump suits and lastly defensive modules up to class A firearms.

- Class 6 units are currently not being utilized due to high rates of death and psychological trauma.

- Class 7 units are enclosed capsule units which house a medical suite that features six operator and technician pods which keep occupants in an unconscious state to insulate them from extra-dimensional tampering or interference by Cat 8 races and species. Traveling through contested dimensions in a unit 7 is recommended due to high likelihood of encounters which typically leave operators and technicians brain dead upon return. Note, the use of the term 'coffin' to describe the operation or possession of a Unit 7, while not against company policy, has shown to be a disruption and is strongly advised not to be used during the operation of a Class 7.



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14

Test Yourself Questions for Part 2

Q1 What should you do with parties not originally from a Hawwa Treaty destination?

Q2 When being shifted onto unstable terrain, why do you secure your own safety first?

Q3 How could you find out the operating capabilities and limitations of your unit you are operating?

Q4 What are 4 things that can result in the stable field being diverted?

Q5 What checks must be made before using an emergency beacon?


Answers:

A1 Parties from non Hawwa Treaty destinations are to be deleted or risk destabilizing your stable field.

A2 Always secure yourself, neither operators or technician receive standardized medical training. Use stability chemicals on yourself to stave off panic or mania and secure your surroundings, DO NOT use stability chemicals on other staff.

A3 Do not test the limitations of your Field Jump Unit at any point.

A4 Loss of life
Loss of sanity
Loss of limb
Becoming unrecoverable

A5 If you are in a recoverable area and are not grievously injured, utilize stability chemicals to stave off fear and evaluate your surroundings for the safety of a recovery team. If you are grievously injured or have lost your TUB chemical package, utilize the dead man's key toggle in one hand and use your evacuation defibrillator to stop your heart. Living tissue cannot sustain the rigors of recovery and the reality is, if you do not use this technique you will either die from exposure or you will be lost in the void. (Each operator must make their own choice for recovery and it is recommended that you do not share your password with other staff and update it often, it should contain no less than four uppercase letters, four lowercase letters, four numbers and four symbols)

[Hyjalx]

Wild west in ToV would probably force everyone to work together, haha. It's really not a bad idea.

[Fasttimes]

+1 no csr tov. It'd be like alterec valley 24/7

[Nexii]

+1 no csr tov. It'd be like alterec valley 24/7

No it'd be horrible. Leave the 1% psychopaths to red server

[Phenyo]

No it'd be horrible. Leave the 1% psychopaths to red server

yeah a completely neutered raid scene in which grown adults cry to janitors to disable the competition for arbitrary reasons is so much better. Stick to writing homoerotic fan fiction.

[Baler]

Hyjal are you actually on drugs?

[Nexii]

yeah a completely neutered raid scene in which grown adults cry to janitors to disable the competition for arbitrary reasons is so much better. Stick to writing homoerotic fan fiction.

I don't see you making any suggestions. I did

[gkmarino]

csg: controlled substance gluttony

[diamondfist]

I don't see you making any suggestions. I did

Would need to start with the staff and players sitting down and hashing things out.

Staff expectations / goals for the server from this point forward.

Players expectations of the staff

Then things could be figured out from there.



Im all for Transparency. Public petitions and discussions on these very forums rather then back room Skype chats and rules / agreements that 99.9% of the player base never get to see firsthand.

Imagine if it was all public and infractions were decided by peers by the set of rules that were agreed upon. All the staff would have to do is deliver punishment when it is called for.

Im sure the volume of issues would go down too. Since it would be cut and dry either your petition was valid and soandso gets a spanking. Or your petition didnt hold water shame on you. So you would then be in timeout, and most likely think long and hard before submitting a iffy petition in the future.


BUT, who am I kidding? I'm sure that system would bred people making secret alliances via skype and condemning those who weren't part of your alliance =p

[Nexii]

I have fought for more earthquakes for a very, very long time. But I have no control over, or prior knowledge of Earthquakes / Simulated repops.

I don't claim the raid scene is perfect by any means, and if you have suggestions I'd very much like to read them over. Feel free to submit a forum petition, or shoot a PM.

Yea I get that it's a dev thing re: quakes. What we have now is an improvement in some ways. I think an hour's notice wouldn't be out of the question on quakes, if a server went down on live it would typically take time to restart/fix. It'd also mirror the hour that guilds had under FTE racing.

EQ was never intended for more than a few raiding entities per server. I'd have to sit down and ponder an entire server rule set. The issue is that every rule made creates unintended exploits.

More quake based repops mitigate the issues but don't eliminate them. I could think of a few things that would go a long ways but they would also require dev work. One example being automatic succor (whether logged in or not) as the quake hits.

[Lhancelot]

Yea I get that it's a dev thing re: quakes. What we have now is an improvement in some ways. I think an hour's notice wouldn't be out of the question on quakes, if a server went down on live it would typically take time to restart/fix. It'd also mirror the hour that guilds had under FTE racing.

EQ was never intended for more than a few raiding entities per server. I'd have to sit down and ponder an entire server rule set. The issue is that every rule made creates unintended exploits.

More quake based repops mitigate the issues but don't eliminate them. I could think of a few things that would go a long ways but they would also require dev work. One example being automatic succor (whether logged in or not) as the quake hits.

Or, you could just avoid raiding altogether and enjoy other facets of the game. :D

[punkbythebook12]

E. L. E.

everybody love everybody :)

[whoall]

None of these rules were in place on live. If rules must be made up to keep it 'fair' then there should be a lockout time. Not an invisible line that encourages cheating and tattle tails. Unless you poopsocked the timers don't even go into a raid zone. You will be intimidated by a gm and have to give up after 10 hours. Now i understand why the raid scene is broken here.

[Skew]

That^ mentality is what's wrong with the top 2 guilds, and most likely why they keep finding themselves being put in the corner. Cheating is not competing, bad little boys and girls get put in timeout when they break the rules. Sorry if that concept is too hard for you to wrap your head around.

Anything else?

Umm afaik Rustle never cheated when they tried to abide by your raid rules. The reason Rustle decided to compete was because the 1 hour lock gave them time to assemble a raid force. The times Rustle got FTEs for the 1 hour lock was more due to tightly packed raid windows and the 1 FTE per Guild rule.
You dont play chess do you Sirken.

[Tupakk]

None of these rules were in place on live. If rules must be made up to keep it 'fair' then there should be a lockout time. Not an invisible line that encourages cheating and tattle tails. Unless you poopsocked the timers don't even go into a raid zone. You will be intimidated by a gm and have to give up after 10 hours. Now i understand why the raid scene is broken here.

A 10 hour limit would be great in times like this. Cause CSG has been at it since 8am MST. Locking anyone out from trying because they are in the way of pulls.

[whoall]

The mob was uncontested. We were not aloud to exit the zone and re-enter to engage the mob. This is the most rules lawyer way to eliminate your competition.

[Skew]

Allow guilds to camp out at targets. Give an hour notice ahead of quakes so casual guilds can mobilize.

Nexii is cool and all but didnt raid on this server prior to Velious. Go back to raidrules school.

[Pokesan]

im tired of all this rulebreaking

*essentially disbands rulefollowing guild*

[Nexii]

Nexii is cool and all but didnt raid on this server prior to Velious. Go back to raidrules school.

Actually on point #1 I digressed. Would be better with forced succor to zone on quake/repop

[Lovebags]

Rules designed by a community that left for Phingel, and are non-representative of the majority of the remainder, engineered to benefit the amoral, and to reduce GM workload in conflict resolution because collectively they have lost their ambition to mediate on behalf of the server, and have reduced themselves to tacky embittered memery on their own forum as a mechanism for displaying their disdain for their own players.

Anybody have a counter perspective?

[Argh]

Rules designed by a community that left for Phingel, and are non-representative of the majority of the remainder, engineered to benefit the amoral, and to reduce GM workload in conflict resolution because collectively they have lost their ambition to mediate on behalf of the server, and have reduced themselves to tacky embittered memery on their own forum as a mechanism for displaying their disdain for their own players.

Anybody have a counter perspective?

The rules weren't designed by the community.

[Cecily]

Still dumb. Only thing that got hurt by the 1hr locks was Rustle, and yes I feel bad when anything has a negative effect on a guild or group of players. But since nearly every FTE Race was won via cheating, yes we decided to remove it. You're welcome.

This is too fucking stupid. You just didn't wanna deal with us. I'm sorry removing our guild from the raid scene mad you feel bad.

[Nexii]

The rules weren't designed by the community.

And the GMs say they don't design the rules. So who does?

[Rivera]

And the GMs say they don't design the rules. So who does? tmo overlords who've ascended

[Fasttimes]

And the GMs say they don't design the rules. So who does?

I do. You can follow me on twitch for updates rules.

[skarlorn]

I do. You can follow me on twitch for updates rules.

Mayor Gubbin? What have I told you about letting the public write your legislation while you get massaged in the hot tub?? BAD GUBBIN

[Sirken]

This is too fucking stupid. You just didn't wanna deal with us. I'm sorry removing our guild from the raid scene mad you feel bad.
either you're flat out lying, or you have no idea what was going on and feel the need to talk about it anyway. I've had people from both A/A tell me their guilds had multiple people cheating at the FTE races in order to win.

[Heebs13]

either you're flat out lying, or you have no idea what was going on and feel the need to talk about it anyway.

That would never happen on RnF!

[Sirken]

That would never happen on RnF!

you're right, my apologies

[Pokesan]

cecily is from rustle

[Tupakk]

cecily is from rustle

Is god.

[Pokesan]

im tired of all this rulebreaking

*essentially disbands rulefollowing guild*

[Skew]

either you're flat out lying, or you have no idea what was going on and feel the need to talk about it anyway. I've had people from both A/A tell me their guilds had multiple people cheating at the FTE races in order to win.

Cecily isn’t denying the possibility of cheating in those guilds under that ruleset. I believe the point being made is that in your response to such cheating you made the raid scene even harder for casuals to compete (and sorta swings back to my point in you not being a chess player)

[Cecily]

either you're flat out lying, or you have no idea what was going on and feel the need to talk about it anyway. I've had people from both A/A tell me their guilds had multiple people cheating at the FTE races in order to win.

I couldn't give less shits about people cheating. That's your job. That's why there's rules. My guild, Rustle for the record (you know the one never suspended), was the one punished for whatever rampant cheating was going on without participating it in. If it turned out we were, we should have gotten raid suspended like you do with the rest. Instead you just changed the rules, which you admit only effected us, to get us out of the picture. And you don't care. Thanks Sirken. Rustle was the only casual raiding guild this server will ever see and a great group of people who you forced to quit or sink low enough to join A/A. We were also the biggest champions of a rotated server which would be less work for you... But instead you cater to no life retards who ruin this place. I hope you enjoy this cess pool. You made it.

[Heebs13]

I couldn't give less shits about people cheating. That's your job. That's why there's rules. My guild, Rustle for the record (you know the one never suspended), was the one punished for whatever rampant cheating was going on without participating it in. If it turned out we were, we should have gotten raid suspended like you do with the rest. Instead you just changed the rules, which you admit only effected us, to get us out of the picture. And you don't care. Thanks Sirken. Rustle was the only casual raiding guild this server will ever see and a great group of people who you forced to quit or sink low enough to join A/A. We were also the biggest champions of a rotated server which would be less work for you... But instead you cater to no life retards who ruin this place. I hope you enjoy this cess pool. You made it.

Honestly no matter what rules are on p99 someone is going to be mad about it. If I've learned anything from this thread it's that you can't please everyone.

[Cecily]

Honestly no matter what rules are on p99 someone is going to be mad about it. If I've learned anything from this thread it's that you can't please everyone.

Nice reply idiot. Yeah I'm mad about a rule change specifically targeted at my guild.

[Nexii]

Honestly no matter what rules are on p99 someone is going to be mad about it. If I've learned anything from this thread it's that you can't please everyone.

Thanks for the insight, about as helpful as Lhancelot's. If things are broken why even bother trying to make them better. Typical defeatist attitude.

The point is that the current server rules please next to no one.

[skarlorn]

Cecily fully fucking ascends ITT

*bows down in retarded awe*

[Pokesan]

the raid scene is trash because sirken's brain is trash

[Tupakk]

The point is that the current server rules please next to no one.


Isn’t that the truth.

[Phenyo]

https://i.imgur.com/4qtH2Cj.gif

[Nexii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

[Tupakk]

https://vimeo.com/248599672

[Heebs13]

Thanks for the insight, about as helpful as Lhancelot's. If things are broken why even bother trying to make them better. Typical defeatist attitude.

The point is that the current server rules please next to no one.

I've suggested fixes for the current raid scene in other threads. It's beating a dead horse. You think if you complain enough on RnF Sirken is going to change his mind and start letting you armchair admiral managing the server?

Hey man, good luck with that.

[Pheer]

But instead you cater to no life retards who ruin this place. I hope you enjoy this cess pool. You made it.

i always hoped id be there to witness it when cecily finally snaps

also theres some delicious irony in watching someone who participated in the old TMO server lockdown and subsequent forum trolling complain about guilds "ruining the server." The TMO "buy your epic from us for 600k" era was one of this server's darkest times.

[skarlorn]

Actually, Sirken is listening to what Cecily suggests. I know this because Sirken may have confirmed it to me on the elf pals discord sub channel #unbelievabot in exchange for a rank up on the leader board.

And I know you're reading this thinking I'm shit posting, which is true, but your raid opinions are fucking retarded and Cecilys are not.

[Heebs13]

Actually, Sirken is listening to what Cecily suggests. I know this because Sirken may have confirmed it to me on the elf pals discord sub channel #unbelievabot in exchange for a rank up on the leader board.

And I know you're reading this thinking I'm shit posting, which is true, but your raid opinions are fucking retarded and Cecilys are not.

Please tell me what's retarded about my raid opinions. Do you even know what my opinions are?

[skarlorn]

No.

[Tupakk]

No.

[Heebs13]

No.

So good job adding absolutely nothing to the discussion, as usual.

[skarlorn]

Well I established that your opinions are retarded in one fell swoop. Prove me wrong.

[Ennewi]

Well I established that your opinions are retarded in one fell swoop. Prove me wrong.

Alarti?

[Heebs13]

Well I established that your opinions are retarded in one fell swoop. Prove me wrong.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71RI3orvb1L._SX355_.jpg

[Cecily]

i always hoped id be there to witness it when cecily finally snaps

also theres some delicious irony in watching someone who participated in the old TMO server lockdown and subsequent forum trolling complain about guilds "ruining the server." The TMO "buy your epic from us for 600k" era was one of this server's darkest times.

I spent a year fighting them. I spent 2 years with them, and domination isn't the adjective I'd choose to describe our fight with IB/Rampage over the last year of it. I stayed tagged a year after the guild died and came back, pissed off Awakened gloriously, and went on to help build the most successful casual raiding guild P99 ever saw.

You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but I've seen why this raid scene sucks from a variety of perspectives and have a more educated opinion about it than most. I believe you were IB? That guild or their predecessors, I don't know which, are the ones that set the play style rules for hardcore raiding. TMO copied them after getting screwed over enough. Now, everyone plays the same way TMO did. You can blame us for it but WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, fucker.

I've always been pro-rotation for the record, except when Chest would benefit from it. Fuck Chest.

[Lammy]

Rustle was something genuinely special and different on this server. It really sucks what happened, but Sirken tries hard and it's a thankless job I'm sure. Im glad to see it finally addressed. I forgive you. Merry Christmas.

[Mytral]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heebs13
Honestly no matter what rules are on p99 someone is going to be mad about it. If I've learned anything from this thread it's that you can't please everyone.
Nice reply idiot. Yeah I'm mad about a rule change specifically targeted at my guild.
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Nice reply idiot. Yeah I'm mad about a rule change specifically targeted at my guild.

Another thing you can count on is people resorting to name calling when they have no argument left.

[Cecily]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heebs13
Honestly no matter what rules are on p99 someone is going to be mad about it. If I've learned anything from this thread it's that you can't please everyone.
Nice reply idiot. Yeah I'm mad about a rule change specifically targeted at my guild.
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Another thing you can count on is people resorting to name calling when they have no argument left.

You well intentioned dumbasses are annoying me today. There was no argument because I wasn't talking to him and he wasn't replying to what I wrote. Also shut up.

[RedXIII]

Will post about FTE races because i saw Sirken and a few people talk about the FTE races been won by cheating. Well, some people did "cheat"(even thou alt+tab+jump people did not view it as cheating back them, and both guilds had people doing it).

I have won several FTE races, zero cheats, got videos uploaded of tons of races and the clean FTEs that i got. It was fun.

But yeah, its sad that FTE racing start to get exploited hard... it was fun racing. Its sad that people just cant win/lose without having to cheat. People keep ruining games and then blame on whatever else.

I fear for the day we become some crap TAKP server that rotate mobs like scrubs. Will be a very sad day to see classic EQ die again.

[skarlorn]

Yes I was using the forum jutsu prove it developed by Alarti

*belches and u smell high grade albacore nigiri on his breath *

[Rivera]

damn this thread was a true late bloomer holy shit

[aaezil]

casual dreams were crushed by esoteric rules that arent even clearly compiled anywhere that's the real story here.

[Nexii]

Will post about FTE races because i saw Sirken and a few people talk about the FTE races been won by cheating. Well, some people did "cheat"(even thou alt+tab+jump people did not view it as cheating back them, and both guilds had people doing it).

I have won several FTE races, zero cheats, got videos uploaded of tons of races and the clean FTEs that i got. It was fun.

But yeah, its sad that FTE racing start to get exploited hard... it was fun racing. Its sad that people just cant win/lose without having to cheat. People keep ruining games and then blame on whatever else.

I fear for the day we become some crap TAKP server that rotate mobs like scrubs. Will be a very sad day to see classic EQ die again.

FTE racing was ridiculous and never should have been a thing. What does one person winning Mario Kart have to do with a guild's ability to best mobilize and kill a dragon? Everquest is intended as a co-operative game not one where one hero player determines all the pixels

[Cecily]

Damn.

Cecily done lost it.

??? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4)

[Tupakk]

??? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4)

[skarlorn]

Everquest was intended to be a simulator for elf erotic role play so that creative people with high wpm like me could steal money from desperate sickos after saying I'm a girl irl now watch me shower here in the EC tunnel and then maybe something more... ;) but you don't see me making threads raging about the lack of GM support for casual ERP prostitution or the fact that no one ever really believes you're a girl when your elfs name is platwhore and you will shit on their dicc in emotes for 74pp so maybe don't tell me what My Everquest is supposed to was being even

[Nexii]

Everquest was intended to be a simulator for elf erotic role play so that creative people with high wpm like me could steal money from desperate sickos after saying I'm a girl irl now watch me shower here in the EC tunnel and then maybe something more... ;) but you don't see me making threads raging about the lack of GM support for casual ERP prostitution or the fact that no one ever really believes you're a girl when your elfs name is platwhore and you will shit on their dicc in emotes for 74pp so maybe don't tell me what My Everquest is supposed to was being even

Sounds like you just need to step up your ERP game. I make 10k pp an hour on Callgirl. This server is a plat mine. Here's a hint: target the most addicted neckbeards. They're most likely to be sex deprived and have more platinum to pay out.

For samples of my writing see "A Collection of Norrathian Homo-Erotica and other Fetishes".

[Tupakk]

Sounds like you just need to step up your ERP game. I make 10k pp an hour on Callgirl. This server is a plat mine. Here's a hint: target the most addicted neckbeards. They're most likely to be sex deprived and have more platinum to pay out.

For samples of my writing see "A Collection of Norrathian Homo-Erotica and other Fetishes".

I news you had a hidden toon. Glad to see you enjoying the finer things of the games. *muah*

[skarlorn]

I admit you have superior ERP. Perhaps shouting in EC tunnel that I will felch for 100pp is not the most lucrative strategy.......

[branamil]

WTS Blumpkin 2k or trade for GBS

[Lhancelot]

Why are you still talking about raiding? Dude looks at some pictures of Earth from space and wants to tell everyone what it's like to be an astronaut.

https://i.imgur.com/FnRnCgG.gif

[Mytral]

wow csg gets every mob in tov for 20 days and throws a hissy when open raid wants to kill a couple? Turning into the very thing you hate?

Obviously you were there

[Docx]

I’ve learned that if you remove A/A from the raid scene, another group of neck beards will rise up in a fiery anger and proceed to shit on the casuals and be out lawyered on all raiding matters out of pure pixel lust.

I’ve also learned the most entitled group in society isn’t millinieals, but age 30-40 males who play 20 year old elf sims! Thank you for suspending us for 20 days to point the finger in the direction for the true server bad guys!

CSG
Come Shit on Guilds!

[Lhancelot]

I’ve also learned the most entitled group in society isn’t millinieals, but age 30-40 males who play 20 year old elf sims!

https://i.imgur.com/Lr1nvl9.gif

[Mytral]

I’m in aftermath, I also lie

Got it.

[branamil]

Fact: CSG petitions upstart alliance Lord Bob, Venerate, Dial a Port, Kittens et al because they assumed they would have Temple of Veeshan all to themselves and couldn’t stand to share. Rather than join the open raid they actually petitioned a cease and desist order smh. Guess we all know what the S in CSG stands for now.

[Docx]

Wasn’t Come Shit on Guilds the ones who wanted to do a NToV crawl last suspension?

I guess they did it, and don’t want the little guys to get to experience it for themselves since THEY already got to do that and just want to be more efficient at monopolizing raid targets and deny others a fun opportunity!

https://goo.gl/images/2QadJH

[Pheer]

I spent a year fighting them. I spent 2 years with them, and domination isn't the adjective I'd choose to describe our fight with IB/Rampage over the last year of it. I stayed tagged a year after the guild died and came back, pissed off Awakened gloriously, and went on to help build the most successful casual raiding guild P99 ever saw.

You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but I've seen why this raid scene sucks from a variety of perspectives and have a more educated opinion about it than most. I believe you were IB? That guild or their predecessors, I don't know which, are the ones that set the play style rules for hardcore raiding. TMO copied them after getting screwed over enough. Now, everyone plays the same way TMO did. You can blame us for it but WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, fucker.

I've always been pro-rotation for the record, except when Chest would benefit from it. Fuck Chest.

so TMO became a serial killer later on because they got bullied in highschool and its not their fault? got it

IB was always just about dominating the content and not really giving a shit what everyone else thought about it while TMO wanted to lock everything down, take a shit on the empty spawn points, and then hold the rest of the server's faces down and smear them in it with constant forum trolling and circlejerking

[skarlorn]

admit it pheer, the days of TMO RNF were really good days of RNF.

[Heebs13]

Fact: CSG petitions upstart alliance Lord Bob, Venerate, Dial a Port, Kittens et al because they assumed they would have Temple of Veeshan all to themselves and couldn’t stand to share. Rather than join the open raid they actually petitioned a cease and desist order smh. Guess we all know what the S in CSG stands for now.

Do you ever get tired of your own bullshit? It must be exhausting.

[Mistle]

I fear for the day we become some crap TAKP server that rotate mobs like scrubs. Will be a very sad day to see classic EQ die again.

Such a great feeling seeing this from a colossal douchebag like you. Please continue.

[skinch]

casual dreams were crushed by esoteric rules that arent even clearly compiled anywhere that's the real story here.

^ this.

Looking at the raid rules was insufficient to inform me of how many hidden, nuanced rules may actually exist to drain the fun from the game (ie: overcoming challenges created by rule adherence)

[Heebs13]

^ this.

Looking at the raid rules was insufficient to inform me of how many hidden, nuanced rules may actually exist to drain the fun from the game (ie: overcoming challenges created by rule adherence)

It's a dumb rule, agreed. However, that rule is the very reason Lady N and Vulak were even still up in the first place.

[Cecily]

so TMO became a serial killer later on because they got bullied in highschool and its not their fault? got it

IB was always just about dominating the content and not really giving a shit what everyone else thought about it while TMO wanted to lock everything down, take a shit on the empty spawn points, and then hold the rest of the server's faces down and smear them in it with constant forum trolling and circlejerking

Lol it's the fucking same thing. You're just biased. I'm sorry my guild ran you off the server, but I was a noob in VD at the time so you really shouldn't blame me for it.

[Cecily]

Also you laughed at my monty pyton gif once years ago and I have a positive opinion of you because of that. All this misdirected anger at TMO, server heroes, is worsening that opinion every post. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop being mean to me.

[Tupakk]

Sources say. CSG admitted to waiting for dragons to spawn so they could petition quest M and Vulak.

Scumming it up at its finest.

Check your 6 9 and 3 people. Hide your kids and hide your wives. Cause CSG is gunna come for ya booty.

Day 2 of 20 and the fun has just started.

[deezy]

either you're flat out lying, or you have no idea what was going on and feel the need to talk about it anyway. I've had people from both A/A tell me their guilds had multiple people cheating at the FTE races in order to win.

We followed the rules, we negotiated agreements, and we were the ones to get destroyed. I hope you can see from my perspective how unjust this experience has been. It is saddening that my guild became the casualty over A/A rule breakers.

[Skew]

We followed the rules, we negotiated agreements, and we were the ones to get destroyed. I hope you can see from my perspective how unjust this experience has been. It is saddening that my guild became the casualty over A/A rule breakers.

Agnarr has as much to do with Rustle disbanding as raid rules.
FTE racing was dumb anyway so needed to change - the one hour lock was good idea though (would have worked very well with the two sim repops a month)

[Fasttimes]

Agnarr has as much to do with Rustle disbanding as raid rules.
FTE racing was dumb anyway so needed to change - the one hour lock was good idea though (would have worked very well with the two sim repops a month)

agnarr did, but we probably would of survived with hour lockouts still intact, we did do nev and few others after agnarr (nev was 23 and awesome low count). if they just replaced the method of recieving FTE instead of racing (im too tired to figure out that answer) and kept hour lockouts intact, we probably would of survived even bit more casual then we even were.

[Skew]

agnarr did, but we probably would of survived with hour lockouts still intact, we did do nev and few others after agnarr (nev was 23 and awesome low count). if they just replaced the method of recieving FTE instead of racing (im too tired to figure out that answer) and kept hour lockouts intact, we probably would of survived even bit more casual then we even were.

Meh. We didn’t have any raid leaders.Merkk went to Red , Wooly went to EC tunnel and Snacks to fear portal. Rustle wasn’t going to last long after Agnarr. Its a tonne of work keeping even a casual guild going and even a casual guild needs a decent size roster.

[Fasttimes]

Meh. We didn’t have any raid leaders.Merkk went to Red , Wooly went to EC tunnel and Snacks to fear portal. Rustle wasn’t going to last long after Agnarr. Its a tonne of work keeping even a casual guild going and even a casual guild needs a decent size roster.

yea not denying that. but there was 0 hope after lockouts.

[Skew]

Yea I’m all for the lockouts or even just a bag limit.. The double repop should really make the raid scene workable now.

[Fasttimes]

Yea I’m all for the lockouts or even just a bag limit.. The double repop should really make the raid scene workable now.

yep the double repop def helps as you have to prioritize leaving gaps for guilds to pickup targets, specially kunark stuff. almost with it was like 4x repops a month. Add a bag limit and you have casuals grabbing atleast a share of something while A/A prioritizes w/e they want.

[Sonderbeast]

Hi Sirken i like ur hat pls make eq at good time of day ty vm lub ya.

[Skew]

yep the double repop def helps as you have to prioritize leaving gaps for guilds to pickup targets, specially kunark stuff. almost with it was like 4x repops a month. Add a bag limit and you have casuals grabbing atleast a share of something while A/A prioritizes w/e they want.

Exactly. We rarely get PD now and a Dain / Yelinak is hard. VP still has amazing loot and casuals should have it on lockdown. Id take a PD robe , green scales and sow sword over most of the shit that most NToV dragons drop.

[Mistle]

Yea I’m all for the lockouts or even just a bag limit.. The double repop should really make the raid scene workable now.

Bag limit was the OBVIOUS solution to everyone many years ago. It's ridiculous, but not at all surprising, that it was never implemented.

It's honestly the best part about playing on another server, just sitting back and seeing just how poorly this one is run. It's not like it's even hard.

[Daloon]

Seen CSG keep FTE on Yeli for like 5 min before engaging.. Shit like that dont fly in Class C, be glad you Class R guys can get away with shit like that. When was the last time casuals actually got suspended?

[Dolalin]

When was the last time casuals actually got suspended?

Indeed. CSG takes pains to follow the rules: this raid rule is the only reason Vulak and N didn't die the previous night. If the staff change those rules, CSG will follow those too. We don't run the box, so stop whining.

[Nexii]

I personally dont want to see a rotation either, it will kill the server for alot of people myself included.

but at the same time, there are about 20 people on the server who participate in the shit show each week that is tracking these 16hr windows. Where there are probably 400 who would play to log in to kill dragons without having to track.

Also fuck 1hr lockouts, stupidiest shit ever. Live pulls are what make P99 fun. The threat of another guild there are ready to steal mobs is what makes it exciting.

I'm not in favor of forced rotation or bringing back locks. As a framework I'd like to see:
- quake only repops, no more 16 hour windows (makes guilds go to different zones). there are some complexities with this that need to be considered as not all raid targets are 7 days;
- 1 hour server broadcast warning ahead of repop (essentially what was trying to be done with 1 hour locks before);
- forced succor to zoneline when the quake hits. whether offline players should be succored (coth bots) can be debated but my vote is YES

[Detoxx]

Sounds like you guys need A/A back

[Baler]

Sounds like A/A has nothing better to do than shit post on anon forum accounts.

[Ennewi]

Sounds like you guys need A/A back

Yes, Norrath is that destabilized now. It's like Iraq out here. CSG has become ISIS overnight and all other guilds suddenly miss having Sadam in power. :rolleyes:

[Mytral]

Grats Lord BoB on Ikitar the Venom and Lady Nev!

We were minutes away from engaging Lady M and Vulak and CSG pushed us out of the zone because they were about to lose Vulak (supposedly the server good guys)

Was fun folks. See you next time! Merry Christmas!


So tell me how Dain went? How much time did you have to attempt un-contested?

Also, which guild "let you have" Gozz and Iki?

How did VP go?

I assume your server wide PUG immediate killed triplets after CSG killed Vulak and left NToV.

It's tragic that anyone on this server would follow you or your one friend anywhere.

You knew the situation and decided to ignore rules and lead people astray. You even piggy backed off of CSG's good will last A/A ban to try and promote your agenda. You're a toxic individual that preys on people's dreams in hopes that you may stick it to others that once called you a guild mate.

[Mockba1980]

Yes, Norrath is that destabilized now. It's like Iraq out here. CSG has become ISIS overnight and all other guilds suddenly miss having Sadam in power. :rolleyes:

I like this point of view ! ahah

[Skew]

We need open petitions and Daldaen to be the arbiter of justice on P99.

I will rule with an iron fist. There won't be any of this random suspension nonsense, it is clearly not a deterrent.

Instead we will go into 30-day no-petition status for the scumbagging guild. During those 30-days there may be no petitioned either group or raid filed from said scumbagging guild.

Players in opposing guilds may train, kill steal, memblur, highsun, take camps, dispel raid mobs, port opposing guilds to new and interesting locations, 0% res, Sacrifice instead of TL or rez boxing and all other sorts of scumbaggery without any fear of reprisal from the staff.

The server as a whole can determine just how much they want to punish a guild for being a scumbag. And depending on how scumbaggery you are I may stop by at your raid kill and DT all your warriors and tell you to tank a Paladin or I start Trakanon banishing your Clerics from ToV.

Great fun would ensue on Daldaen's P99.

You were jerking off as you typed that out werent you :o:o

[Lovebags]

Racing is shit.
Training to entrance is shit.

Force the entitled tryhards to fight the big mean bosses in their lairs. Bosses were designed to be fought in their lair, not double DA'd to zone in while training the whole zone through the whole zone.

Training raidbosses to zone in should be prosecuted under already existing zone disruption rules.

[branamil]

RIP casual open raid scene. Last heard saying, “we’re gonna raid forev—“ before CSG handed them a cease and desist notice.

No one should be disqualifiied permanently from a mob. If you have 3 people past the imaginary zone line, you should only be locked out from it for 1 hour if it spawns. That way you don’t have an advantage over any contenders. But if there are no real contenders then what does it matter? I heard it took CSG 6 hours to kill the dragon they lawyer quested the open raid out of. How pathetic is that?

[Baler]

No one should be disqualifiied permanently from a mob. If you have 3 people past the imaginary zone line

https://youtu.be/KAxfOTUsi2Q?t=1m6s

[Lhancelot]

Sounds like A/A has nothing better to do than shit post on anon forum accounts.

It's great isn't it?

They need practice though they tend to regurgitate the same bad messages like some retarded hive mind.

Hopefully as time passes and they shitpost more, it will improve!

18 more days to go guys! Dragon-pixel withdrawal probably starting to hit hard now, amirite? :)

***I am hoping for some really juicy, emotional meltdowns soonish as withrawal symptoms grow worse.

[Lovebags]

RIP casual open raid scene. Last heard saying, “we’re gonna raid forev—“ before CSG handed them a cease and desist notice.

No one should be disqualifiied permanently from a mob. If you have 3 people past the imaginary zone line, you should only be locked out from it for 1 hour if it spawns. That way you don’t have an advantage over any contenders. But if there are no real contenders then what does it matter? I heard it took CSG 6 hours to kill the dragon they lawyer quested the open raid out of. How pathetic is that?

LOL, try 12 hours. They were maybe forming up after six, wiping for four.

[Ennewi]

Last heard saying, “we’re gonna raid forev—“ before CSG pointed out they were breaking a rule that CSG respected, which they ignored and were held to the same standard as everyone else.

ftfy

But if there are no real contenders then what does it matter?

Except there were no other contenders at that time out of respect for those very rules so, again, it matters.


I heard it took CSG 6 hours to kill the dragon they lawyer quested the open raid out of. How pathetic is that?

And you likely heard this from Hyjal himself who tried to drag RnF into ooc towards the end of an admittedly long and frustrating day of ToV. How pathetic is that?

[Lhancelot]

Racing is shit.
Training to entrance is shit.

Force the entitled tryhards to fight the big mean bosses in their lairs. Bosses were designed to be fought in their lair, not double DA'd to zone in while training the whole zone through the whole zone.

Training raidbosses to zone in should be prosecuted under already existing zone disruption rules.

#StopConveyorbeltedDragonPixelsNow

#Makep99NorrathGreatAgain

[Skew]

What was the mob that CSG bullied the pick ups out of? If it took that long to kill sounds like they did them a favor ({obiwan on} why is the bigger neckbeard : the neckbeard that logs in 5 times a day and kills each mob in 20 mins or the neckbeard who spends 10 hours in one chunk killing those mobs? {obiwan off})

[branamil]

ftfy



Except there were no other contenders at that time out of respect for those very rules so, again, it matters.



And you likely heard this from Hyjal himself who tried to drag RnF into ooc towards the end of an admittedly long and frustrating day of ToV. How pathetic is that?

Alright, how much time elapsed between petition and ToD? Sounds your personal history with Hyjal is clouding your judgement

[Heebs13]

Scummy CSG:

Leaves up Telk, Gozz, Iki, Dain, VP, and every other mob in Kunark or Classic for the specific purpose of sharing with the server (despite some of those mobs having upgrades for our mains). Leaves up all 3 triplets too. Wants Hyjal to follow, on one mob - Lady M, the same rule that has been on the server for years that prevented us from going for Lady N and Vulak in the first place.

RUINING EQ.

[Bugaman]

Thread still going? Cool. Doubled in size since i went to bed? Awesome, thats how it should be!

From a perspective of a raider who has been around for every A/A velious era ban, this thread or Idea that CSG is "ruining EQ" is either for the seriously uniformed or those who are completely new to the P99 raid scene. Everytime A/A has been simutaneously banned, we (CSG) immediately start talks with other guilds who raid, so that targets may be split up. There's even been Excel sheets in the past drafted and leaked/posted to these very boards, as if sharing mobs with others was some sort of conspiracy or weakness. RIP RUSTLE, you are still missed in the P99 raid scene.

So I might be a little off cause there's been no official spreadsheet but the mob splitting THIS CYCLE went something like this to my knowledge.

CSG : NToV {{w/o Ikatiar}} , Yeli, KT , LTK and CT... We were told to stay out of Kunark and the old world by our officers

PS: VP , Dain, Telk, was supposed to have LTK but gave to CSG for some reason?We gave Jigabyte of PS a 2handed primal later in the day that was gonna rot so maybe they want us to have more Keys to ST? I'm unsure.

Lord BoB, anon, BG alliance : Gozzrem , Ikatiar and whatever else was available in Kunark/old world content for them to kill since we weren't going to contest it

Then after they {{Lord BoB and friends}} killed Ikatiar they were still hungry for more, so BoB took CSG's Lady N. Unfortunately for them, their lack of experience got them to violate a long standing raid rule on the server which DQ'd them from Lady M, which by default made attempting Vulak impossible for them unless someone else killed Lady M.

Morale of the story? When guilds are talking and splitting up mobs between themselves because A/A has been banned and we can be reasonable people for a few weeks, Do not be a toxic dick and steal other organization's raid mobs. Also, know your server history if you wanna talk about sharing mobs. Aside from Rustle, we're the only organization that's still around on this server that has ever split up mobs for other guilds to kill at their leisure during a ban.

For those who still think CSG is the new A/A for the next 17 days this is what you sound like: "CSG left us mobs to kill, man I hate those guys"

Big shoutout to Lhancealot who knows my colors and shares my dreams for what P99 could be but is not at the current moment.

Cecily: I miss the one hour lockout too, Haven't you been on this server for years like me? Thought I remember you being in IB or TMO back when I was a member in a "Forceful Entry"

Everyone else: Merry Christmas, hopefully we can split up the next cycle of mobs and stick to our guns so we don't have anymore shitposting like this during the Holidays.

[spanky_kc]

Nice Rotation of mobs...Bugaman! You guys are so nice to share all those mobs your normally kill for your quarterly free pixel rain in ToV. The A/A's leave up Telk,Gozz Ikitar all the time. I wonder why no one ever comes and kills them....

[Bugaman]

The A/A's leave up Telk,Gozz Ikitar all the time. I wonder why no one ever comes and kills them....

If that was true we'd have alot more loot in guild from those 3 mobs.


Also this rotation is just for this Cycle. More rotations to come during the mob, more mobs and chances at new content to be given out... Did I mention Lord BoB failed repeated at Dain for over 5 hours, Also PS may have gotten Yeli this cycle but last ban we watched them bang their head against that wall for like 6 hours or more before they asked us to come in and kill it. Cheers tho, nice attempt at derailing my perfectly reasonable post. Bottom line, A/A doesn't share shit. To say otherwise is to be in denial.

[Heebs13]

Nice Rotation of mobs...Bugaman! You guys are so nice to share all those mobs your normally kill for your quarterly free pixel rain in ToV. The A/A's leave up Telk,Gozz Ikitar all the time. I wonder why no one ever comes and kills them....

Do they? Every time I've parked in ToV to get timers, Telk and Gozz are pulled within minutes of spawning. Would love to know next time A/A are going to leave them up.

[Lhancelot]

Big shoutout to Lhancealot who knows my colors and shares my dreams for what P99 could be but is not at the current moment.


NP dude.

Forums are a playground to troll on and fun to call people out on their bad behaviors, but one thing I feel forums should also be used for is to celebrate the good people in the game to remind others there is good here.

Too often the kindness is not recognized that exists on p99 and you exemplify the best of the best here. I sincerely mean that too.

Glad to see you still here! Keep being you, the server needs it.

[Tupakk]

Curious who you talked to in Bob that agreed to any sort of mob splitting.

[Synthlol]

Scummy CSG:

Leaves up Telk, Gozz, Iki, Dain, VP, and every other mob in Kunark or Classic for the specific purpose of sharing with the server (despite some of those mobs having upgrades for our mains). Leaves up all 3 triplets too. Wants Hyjal to follow, on one mob - Lady M, the same rule that has been on the server for years that prevented us from going for Lady N and Vulak in the first place.

RUINING EQ.

Damn what have we come to? Leaving mobs up for the rest of the server and expecting Acarer to follow the rules that our adherence to gave him a shot at Nevederia in the first place?

Now that our honor and integrity are gone, I guess I might as well join Aftermath.

[Heebs13]

Nice Rotation of mobs...Bugaman! You guys are so nice to share all those mobs your normally kill for your quarterly free pixel rain in ToV. The A/A's leave up Telk,Gozz Ikitar all the time. I wonder why no one ever comes and kills them....

Double post, but I should probably point out CSG does NOT normally kill Gozz, Iki, or Telk. We have killed those mobs maybe twice in the last year, and we have plenty of mains who could use gear from them.

[Nexii]

Racing is shit.
Training to entrance is shit.

Force the entitled tryhards to fight the big mean bosses in their lairs. Bosses were designed to be fought in their lair, not double DA'd to zone in while training the whole zone through the whole zone.

Training raidbosses to zone in should be prosecuted under already existing zone disruption rules.

It would be much harder with forced succor to zone in on repops. Most deeper pulls are only possible with a COTH mage. Plus with tracker rules how they are it's a huge disadvantage to kill anything past the zone line. Why risk being DQed for a mob permanently when being off the line has such a hard penalty?

But yea I agree. Should be forced to clear, with a slightly increased drop count to compensate.

[Phenyo]

Should be forced to clear

This would get old real quick

[Nexii]

This would get old real quick

There would still be ways around it of course. If you think about it. Training around to get a necro or cleric to a safe spot to rez up a mage. Point is instant pulls would be eliminated which overall would be an improvement. It'd more of a guild effort.

[Heebs13]

This would get old real quick

I posted before they should increase the loot of each boss to drop 4 or 5 pieces per kill, but the bosses should all be rooted in place and the adds should leash to the boss if not killed, therefore forcing the bosses to be killed in their lairs after clearing to them, as the devs intended. The idea should be to ensure you get the same amount of loot for the same amount of time put in, but you do it killing significantly fewer bosses. Bonus, you get rid of all the stupid giant trains that always end up resulting in players getting killed accidentally, and 90% of your raid staring at a wall while the pullers do all the work.

If that would get old real quick, what are we even doing playing EQ?

[Dolalin]

It should get old real quick. That's the point. Boredom and burnout will self-regulate the raid game.

[Pokesan]

This would get old real quick

people who don't like raiding shouldn't raid

[Lhancelot]

people who don't like raiding shouldn't raid

[Phenyo]

people who don't like raiding shouldn't raid

I like raiding cause its competitive, the organization and mobilization racing is enjoyable. Clearing trash on the other hand is like slamming your dick in a drawer. 'Guys we killed that flurry drake 5% faster woah cutting edge fun times'. Maybe you live for that and thats okay (jokes no its not)

[Pokesan]

clearing trash is classic

go play wow snowflake

[Phenyo]

Ur trash GOTEM

[Lulz~Sect]

It's a real shame the end game gets so rules lawyer-ery/cutthroat/etc. like this. Very happy I never got into serious raiding on Live/Emu. ~Filthy Casual 4 lyfe~

Though, I suppose this is one of the things that some would argue makes EverQuest great. Not everyone wins a shiny.

Still, how would adventuring and this play off in a real fantasy world? I always felt that the game would be better left un-policed and let players sort it out.

[Phenyo]

It's a real shame the end game gets so rules lawyer-ery/cutthroat/etc. like this. Very happy I never got into serious raiding on Live/Emu. ~Filthy Casual 4 lyfe~

Though, I suppose this is one of the things that some would argue makes EverQuest great. Not everyone wins a shiny.

Still, how would adventuring and this play off in a real fantasy world? I always felt that the game would be better left un-policed and let players sort it out.

This is far too coherent and sensible for you, r u feeling okay? Personally i agree that it should be left up to the players to sort out their own shit wild west style but im just a guy with a pair of nuts like avacados so I can take that sort of environment. Not everyone is as blessed.

[Lulz~Sect]

I am feeling well today, thank you.

[Ennewi]

Alright, how much time elapsed between petition and ToD? Sounds your personal history with Hyjal is clouding your judgement

It's possible but then I've always been decent towards him in ooc and in tells, though he never responds directly for whatever reason. I was the same way with greengrocer. But for players who care about the server's health more than short-term personal gains...he's always been a thorn in the side.

As for the time between the petition and time of death, I couldn't give an exact number because I am not "in the loop" so to speak. I'm fine with your number though and if that isn't what it was, it's what it felt like. I will say though that the majority those first hours spent languishing in ToV were in part due to one overly vocal and (unintentionally) abrasive person in Discord. CSG was back in usual form once we had an unnaturally calming voice take charge and give direction. But those first hours we'd all probably like to have back thanks to unlucky repeated FD fails and glitching dragonses.

[Argh]

The end to lawyer quest is simple: everyone agrees to not petition each other.

[fastboy21]

The rules on p99 for raiding are shockingly thick, unnatural, and horribly unclassic (at least in feel, for me). I'm here for nostalgia and fun, not to intentionally slam a car door on my head every time a dragon pops.

If it floats other people's boats I also have no problem with that. Merry Christmas!

[skarlorn]

A A are easily the good est guys to duopolize dragon content on p99 now we must endure the evil casual uprising

[Mytral]

Seen CSG keep FTE on Yeli for like 5 min before engaging.. Shit like that dont fly in Class C, be glad you Class R guys can get away with shit like that. When was the last time casuals actually got suspended?

Ah, you must have been the one stalling an entire raid just to do a turn in even though the mob had been up for over an hour.

You're welcome.

[Baler]

Shouldn't joke about it because people who don't know better might think you're serious.
I've never had a bad interaction with anyone from azure guard, europa, omni or kittens.

Kittens got taken by a jerk into tov. A/A usually is the biggest jerk in tov.
csg is the scapegoat.

If I'm wrong people tell me. But this is what I've gathered from reading these forums. This server likes to put guild(s) on the pedestal of 'evil'. But since A/A is raid banned the pedestal is open for other names atm.. because A/A is usually atop it

[Mytral]

From a perspective of a raider who has been around for every A/A velious era ban, this thread or Idea that CSG is "ruining EQ" is either for the seriously uniformed or those who are completely new to the P99 raid scene.

Trolls... You forgot the trolls. People who know the truth, have been around forever to know better, but just love stirring the pot. i really don't care about those people since trolls are gunna troll. Hopefully light can shine on the truth so that those that are new to the P99 raid scene can make an honest and informed opinion.

[Mytral]

The end to lawyer quest is simple: everyone agrees to not petition each other.

Or people could take time to know the rules, and then follow them. You know, kind of like in real life? There are no lawyers there.

[Phenyo]

The end to lawyer quest is simple: everyone agrees to not petition each other.

This has been suggested and declined. Certain factions wish to continue petitionquesting over every little thing.

[Dolalin]

I'd like to see raid rules simplified too, just for the record. But with a bag limit. What's been unfair about the raid scene mostly is that certain groups get disproportionate amounts of mobs. It's all about setting quota and letting guilds organically prioritize the targets themselves imo. Earthquakes force this organically which is why I like them.

[Dolalin]

Combined with a forcing of guilds to crawl to content in ToV I thin we might be onto something. Guilds making economic choices with minimal CSR involvement is the Nirvana we should aim for.

[Dolalin]

And again for the record, Hyjal aside I do personally approve of the idea of an open raid alliance for the server. I mean, that's basically what CSG is. A raid alliance of casuals. The desire to out-group CSG is very unfortunate and unfair, as we've been on the side of more open raiding since as long as I've been in Europa. I've never seen that not be the case and officers have been extremely open. We want the server to be fun for everyone but we aren't Jesus figures wanting to sacrifice ourselves for others. As long as rules are as they are they're going to be followed. If they change, so be it. Regulation is necessary and okay, but that's not to say it's perfect.

[skarlorn]

It is lamentable and pathetic that hyjal is only willing to compete against other casuals. There whole purpose is supposed to be contesting A A

[skarlorn]

Daldaen you would become corrupt do fast, even faster than you corrupted BDA to phinny thread with undesired updates of a ded server

[Muggens]

Shouldn't joke about it because people who don't know better might think you're serious.
I've never had a bad interaction with anyone from azure guard, europa, omni or kittens.

Kittens got taken by a jerk into tov. A/A usually is the biggest jerk in tov.
csg is the scapegoat.

If I'm wrong people tell me. But this is what I've gathered from reading these forums. This server likes to put guild(s) on the pedestal of 'evil'. But since A/A is raid banned the pedestal is open for other names atm.. because A/A is usually atop it

Sounds about right

[Maschenny]

Underdogs are usually so likeable

[Sonderbeast]

I've been with Lord Bob for about 2 months now. Everything I hear about Hyjal vs what he actually says are very different. He, as well as I, want to see an open cooperation between guilds and individuals in order to open up content to everyone, especially when the top dogs are banned. It's happened a couple times where CSG, albeit claiming to have an open attitude to being a 'casual' raid force - or as some people are saying 'having the same intention', on several occasions CSG has undermined the goals of a serverwide pickup raid for their own goals. Thats fine, that's how they are organized, but it's contradictory to what i'm hearing about CSG.

If CSG has the same intentions, then they should cooperate. LB isn't here to steal pixels and make the server worse. That's absolutely absurd. Cooperation between CSG and LB would have made both Vulakk and Lady M dead earlier, but CGS's dkp makes it impossible. I'd love to see more cooperation, but who is willing to give up years of stacked DKP to /ran rolls with other people who are 'unworthy'? Thats entitlement and what ruins the end game of this server.

Continue to demonize each other and nothing will get done. Lay down your arms and start working things out. It's so frustrating seeing so many people with poor communication skills, poor bargaining skills, and selfish intentions in leadership clinging to something because it was their idea when a better option is available.

[Savok]

I just want to point out the number of raid mobs I have killed since the A/A ban started: 0

You're all welcome.

[Mytral]

I just want to point out the number of raid mobs I have killed since the A/A ban started: 0

You're all welcome.

Damn it Sadiki. Fall in line with Lord Bob and stop ruining EQ!!

[Mytral]

Damn it Savok. Fall in line with Lord Bob and stop ruining EQ!!

[Docx]

I've been with Lord Bob for about 2 months now. Everything I hear about Hyjal vs what he actually says are very different. He, as well as I, want to see an open cooperation between guilds and individuals in order to open up content to everyone, especially when the top dogs are banned. It's happened a couple times where CSG, albeit claiming to have an open attitude to being a 'casual' raid force - or as some people are saying 'having the same intention', on several occasions CSG has undermined the goals of a serverwide pickup raid for their own goals. Thats fine, that's how they are organized, but it's contradictory to what i'm hearing about CSG.

If CSG has the same intentions, then they should cooperate. LB isn't here to steal pixels and make the server worse. That's absolutely absurd. Cooperation between CSG and LB would have made both Vulakk and Lady M dead earlier, but CGS's dkp makes it impossible. I'd love to see more cooperation, but who is willing to give up years of stacked DKP to /ran rolls with other people who are 'unworthy'? Thats entitlement and what ruins the end game of this server.

Continue to demonize each other and nothing will get done. Lay down your arms and start working things out. It's so frustrating seeing so many people with poor communication skills, poor bargaining skills, and selfish intentions in leadership clinging to something because it was their idea when a better option is available.

I just can’t believe CSG is filled with pixel lusting neck beards shitting on the little guys. What ever happened to crawling through NToV and including everyone in the raid scene? Seems like greed and entitlement are the true characteristics CSG demands of their raiders and the vision of their leadership! They have positioned themselves as the true bad guys of the server with no end in sight for their tyranny ( for 20 days )! Let’s see if their PR team can spin this in a positive way once they have indulged themselves in all the loots at the end of the suspension.

[Yoink1986]

^ �� dramatic much.

[bilirubin]

For those who still think CSG is the new A/A for the next 17 days this is what you sound like: "CSG left us mobs to kill, man I hate those guys"

[Docx]

Not dramatic at all, it's the bitching and moaning heard for years and years on this server from the have nots. Finally, when csg is given on a silver platter the keys to the kingdom to wreck all the internet dragons they do! And shitstomp the even more casuals than they in the process! An opportunity was here for a casual raiding style and CSG says lol fuck off and kill the shitmobs we don't want / have time for. How the tables have turned during this holiday!

Don't worry once the suspension is over and CSG made it rain with pixels they will do something to leave a lasting impression of hey we aren't the bad guys we are casuals again!

[Mead]

A/A raid suspended for 20 days

Casual guilds now fighting with other casual guilds over loot

https://i.imgur.com/QX0HSE6.gif

[Tenderizer]

I just can’t believe CSG is filled with pixel lusting neck beards shitting on the little guys. What ever happened to crawling through NToV and including everyone in the raid scene? Seems like greed and entitlement are the true characteristics CSG demands of their raiders and the vision of their leadership! They have positioned themselves as the true bad guys of the server with no end in sight for their tyranny ( for 20 days )! Let’s see if their PR team can spin this in a positive way once they have indulged themselves in all the loots at the end of the suspension.

Come on guys, a/a off the scene and CSG was expecting christmas too. The problem is that pug grabbed people from all over the server, which may not even know the end game raid scene/rules specifics.

Only issue I saw and felt a little pissed about was that csg was destined to take that a/a spot as top dawgs to get the treasure. How much do they expect to get these 18 days and how Silly do they intend to let it get? throwing us a FU toward the end of 1 MAYBE 2 more dragons kinda stinks. The people who show up are good potential prospects for raiding, who may of just logged off for xmas happy as fuck. Yet everyone shits all over the scene. What incentive does anyone have to subject themselves to that? I have seen guilds collide and walk away apprehensively but respectfully.......<--how do you foster that outcome every time.

Da fuk? I have zero ill will to anyone here, sure theres people I may dislike but by god there are dragons out there boys and they need slaying! Brothers in arms on the battlefield of Norrath! what say ye! Marvel team-up?

[Foxplay]

I just can’t believe CSG is filled with pixel lusting neck beards shitting on the little guys. What ever happened to crawling through NToV and including everyone in the raid scene? Seems like greed and entitlement are the true characteristics CSG demands of their raiders and the vision of their leadership! They have positioned themselves as the true bad guys of the server with no end in sight for their tyranny ( for 20 days )! Let’s see if their PR team can spin this in a positive way once they have indulged themselves in all the loots at the end of the suspension.

Its more like the raid rules of the server penalize crawling (for raid targets) In order to remove auto-fire spawn camping they made it so there is no middle ground, you either poopsock/batphone/zone-pull , or you loose to those tactics or a combination of those tactics and the rules being used against you, despite any good intentions of you know.... actually raiding

[Heebs13]

Last I heard Zlandi and triplets were left up by CSG. Just out of curiosity, did you guys go after them at all, or has all your effort been spent on complaining on the forums for the last 48 hours instead?

[skarlorn]

Velious solved all our problems

[Lhancelot]

Come on guys, a/a off the scene and CSG was expecting christmas too. How much do they expect to get these 18 days and how Silly do they intend to let it get? throwing us a FU toward the end of 1 MAYBE 2 more dragons kinda stinks. Yet everyone shits all over the scene. What incentive does anyone have to subject themselves to that?

https://i.imgur.com/miwQvB3.gif

[Mytral]

Last I heard Zlandi and triplets were left up by CSG. Just out of curiosity, did you guys go after them at all, or has all your effort been spent on complaining on the forums for the last 48 hours instead?

Only reasonable reason why these mobs are still up days after spawn is because CSG is ruining EQ.

Still waiting to hear how that Dain fight went.

[Mytral]

Not dramatic at all, it's the bitching and moaning heard for years and years on this server from the have nots. Finally, when csg is given on a silver platter the keys to the kingdom to wreck all the internet dragons they do! And shitstomp the even more casuals than they in the process! An opportunity was here for a casual raiding style and CSG says lol fuck off and kill the shitmobs we don't want / have time for. How the tables have turned during this holiday!

Don't worry once the suspension is over and CSG made it rain with pixels they will do something to leave a lasting impression of hey we aren't the bad guys we are casuals again!

Equating a group of guilds ensuring that another group of guilds follow server rules set by even more guilds before them to "shitstomping" is almost the definition of dramatic.

But since this is all in your head its difficult to argue.

Merry X'mas

[Nisse]

This thread is adorable. Seriously though, hopefully this suspension will introduce some people to raiding on this server and they will develop a taste for dragon meat. There is no significant barrier to entry into the raiding guilds, all you need is a desire to experience the end game content and a level 55+ character. We play a game that has killing dragons as an option, if you aren't killing dragons and want to be, there are options for you. I sincerely hope to see some of you among our ranks in the coming weeks or months. I've been on this server for many years and have seen a lot of upset players who refuse to participate because they let these forums or their peers convince them that the people in the "raiding" guilds are different kind of player or just bad people in genera. I've been in every kind of guild there is and it usually breaks down to about 95% cool people and around 5% intolerable shitheads, regardless of the shape of pixel you're killing. Don't be fooled by mad people into believing you don't have options on this server, we cater to all playstyles.

[Sadiki]

sigh

Neither group of people enjoy the rules, but both parties knew them, and only one abided by them. I'd hope Sirken would intervene if our officers were doing that too. Waiting around for a 12 hour window for CSG to violate the rule and report them, then knowingly breaking the rule afterwards hoping you won't caught... this is the kind of stuff this server does not need. I don't understand the need to generate all this toxicity and hate. I would go out of my way to respond to every request for help on Lord Bob targets, be cordial with everyone, now I am berated constantly and lies are spread just because I'm AG tagged. The second A/A got banned, the strategy to get targets went from getting along to rulebreaking and petitionquesting. I don't get it. I guess an established 5 year old alliance taking down a mob they almost never get to kill is a crime, for some reason, because someone said it is.

CSG left targets up despite members wanting to raid them, including classic/Kunark mobs, WToV, Ikiatar, Lady N, and triplets. We didn't raid for an entire day of a ban just so we would abide by the raid rule that you can't be in NToV during the Lady M spawn. All we were focused on was attempting Vulak. It's difficult to negotiate targets to anyone the instant a ban hits, and it's unrealistic to randomly give up the first Vulak of a 20 day ban to the force that needed help with Wuoshi and has failed to kill several other easier targets. Two potential quakes could happen at any time, Vulak was just sitting there, and is a very rare opportunity for us that we know we can succeed at (well, eventually, that raid didn't go too well). CSG is mostly full of bright eyed casuals as well. It's really easy to get outraged over everything without thinking about the situation, and it's worse when you are being fed lies constantly from haters. CSG isn't attempting to contest most of the mobs that people are screaming we were forming up to steal. Lady M however is different, and we did nothing for like 20 hours just to not violate a silly rule so we could kill her.

I hope people can be level headed and maybe start getting along at some point... but I'm not betting on it. Instant-outrage culture is just too prevalent nowadays.