Shaman race

[toxiqwurm]

Troll - Ogre - Barb; Thoughts?

[eqholmes]

Troll. Regen. /Thread

Holmes 50 Necro
gretzky 50 Ranger

[guineapig]

Been said alot-

Barbarian: best faction, least exp penalty
Ogre: frontal stun immunity (melee stuns)
Troll: awesome regen

Ogres end up getting better 50+ for their increased ability to melee solo. Troll regen doesn't seem quite so awesome 50+.

Iksar are more or less on the same boat as trolls only they get better innate AC.

There are also a couple items that only certain shaman races can use.

For example, iksar can't use Jaundiced Bone Bracer and only Inny worshipping trolls can get a snare clicky necklace.

[eqholmes]

So, seems like guineapig supported my answer. I shouldn't assume people know about the troll snare neck which besides the regen is the real reason to be a troll.

Holmes 50 Necro
Gretzky 50 Ranger

[toxiqwurm]

snare neck is a level 4 nec spells

[Messianic]

Most of those I know who experienced the shaman class at 60 in Kunark say Ogre is the best overall - including one who played a troll shaman.

Bashes from enemy mobs mean a lot less to an ogre - not just because of the "frontal stun immunity," but because frontal bashes don't interrupt their spellcasting. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, though. I haven't had my spellcasting interrupted by a bash in 10+ levels on my ogre shaman on this server, and am pretty sure I remember that being the case in live.

That's huge when dealing with multiple mobs or a very strong mob that you really need to land your slows on, or need to get off a quick heal...

[stonebeard22]

I remember ONLY ogre shaman being able to solo some of the bigger more important spawns in the game during Kunark. Like Jugs...

[guineapig]

The catch to frontal stun immunity though is that, when it comes to spell casting you aren't immune to mob push. If multiple mobs are on you at once then unless your back is to a wall you have a chance of getting pushed back like any other race and your spell will get interrupted if you do.

Something to keep in mind, ogres get spell interrupts too, especially if you are outdoors and there is nothing to back up against.

[dredge]

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[toxiqwurm]

i pm'd you dredge~

[jtaddei]

wait a few weeks and go Iksssssssssar.

[Extunarian]

I chose barbarian and I was able to make it to 50 and look good doing it.

[Aprio]

Can Iksar shaman wear totemic?

[Extunarian]

Can Iksar shaman wear totemic?

No. Nothing in the classic era that looks "platey." This includes Rune Etched, Jaundiced Bone, and Totemic.

[Aprio]

Damn :/

Best start levelling my Troll then

[Extunarian]

Damn :/

Best start levelling my Troll then

I don't know if I'd let that stop you from rolling an iksar. Totemic is really quite awful. AC on Rune Etched is nice but the stats aren't great except for maybe the greaves and bp. The only big drawback is not having access to a Jaundiced Bone Bracer but thats certainly not game-breaking.

As an iksar you can get Scaled Mystic armor which is a quested set comparable to totemic. There are also the dropped sets usable by iksar shaman but not available to the other Shaman races: Sebilite Scale drops in Sebilis and Scaled Hierophant armor is their Plane of Hate armor.

Then there is Kylong set which shaman of all races can wear.

[Aprio]

Brilliant, always remember seeing Iksar shaman in live back in the day and feeling pangs of jealousy. Just got to sit in EC bored while I wait for Kunark to go live.

[Asher]

Brilliant, always remember seeing Iksar shaman in live back in the day and feeling pangs of jealousy. Just got to sit in EC bored while I wait for Kunark to go live.

Normally I would say troll all the way for the snare clicky and decent regen but since our snare clicky is worthless due to snare server bug, Iksar would be a decent choice. IIRC, Iksar regen is a bit better than Troll. The only downside of Iksar is that you cannot use JBB. I hear Ogres are still not immune to frontal stun from kicks/bash and these are all important things to consider when rolling your Shaman.

IMO, Troll is still the way to go. JBB is just too good to pass up and I'll take regen over frontal stun any day myself.

Asher

[guineapig]

I don't know if I'd let that stop you from rolling an iksar. Totemic is really quite awful. AC on Rune Etched is nice but the stats aren't great except for maybe the greaves and bp. The only big drawback is not having access to a Jaundiced Bone Bracer but thats certainly not game-breaking.

As an iksar you can get Scaled Mystic armor which is a quested set comparable to totemic. There are also the dropped sets usable by iksar shaman but not available to the other Shaman races: Sebilite Scale drops in Sebilis and Scaled Hierophant armor is their Plane of Hate armor.

Then there is Kylong set which shaman of all races can wear.

Just note that Kylong was added with Veksar which was a zone added after Planes of Power. Sadly there will be no Kylong armor on this server.

Also the Scaled Mystic armor was not live at Kunark launch (supposedly only because the quest was broken, not intentionally). It remains to be seen if the devs decide to let the quests work at launch or wait a bit.... I'm leaning towards work at launch :).

[Pico]

Just note that Kylong was added with Veksar which was a zone added after Planes of Power. Sadly there will be no Kylong armor on this server.


There are 2 sets, Kylong Armor and Kylong Darkmail. The Darkmail is from Veksar but the regular stuff is from Howling Stones, so it should be available here.

[Extunarian]

Just note that Kylong was added with Veksar which was a zone added after Planes of Power. Sadly there will be no Kylong armor on this server.

Also the Scaled Mystic armor was not live at Kunark launch (supposedly only because the quest was broken, not intentionally). It remains to be seen if the devs decide to let the quests work at launch or wait a bit.... I'm leaning towards work at launch :).

Yeah, I was talking about the *other* kylong that should be here at launch.

And if we are gonna be sticklers about it I think the POH set wasn't added right at launch either.

[Bakaris]

Barbarian and thats what my shaman is. They look so much better with plate armor. And as you know, looks > all

[Messianic]

IIRC, Iksar regen is a bit better than Troll.

It's the same.

I hear Ogres are still not immune to frontal stun from kicks/bash

I don't think that's true...my testing - although this hasn't been on 20+ mobs - indicates it's in game. If it's not, it should be.

[quido]

Yeah, once you get Torpor I bet that troll regen is pretty negligible.

[Extunarian]

Barbarian and thats what my shaman is. They look so much better with plate armor. And as you know, looks > all

[bizzum]

Barbarian and thats what my shaman is. They look so much better with plate armor. And as you know, looks > all

I personally think that the troll plate looks awesome, and the helm model tops it all off.

Mah troll is sexier than your barb!

[shuklak]

I chose a barb because of the size issue primarily. Otherwise I would have chosen Ogre for stun resist. If you solo at all it is a big deal, in my opinion.

Regen doesn't seem that great of an incentive to me because shamans are pretty good at getting their hp back anyways.

But damn... ogres are just so damn big and blocky...

[Wudan]

IKSAR!!!!!

[Potus]

Iksar also get a pretty sweet 1hb quest, don't they?

[Korrok]

Skyiron Cudgel of the Ancients

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: RANGE PRIMARY
Charges: Unlimited
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 22
DMG: 14 Dmg Bonus: 21
STA: +10 WIS: +15 INT: +10 HP: +50 MANA: +75
SV DISEASE: +15 SV POISON: +15
Effect: Carnage (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 15.0) at Level 45
WT: 4.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: SHM
Race: BAR TRL OGR IKS VAH FRG


Iksar mace

[Extunarian]

Skyiron Cudgel of the Ancients

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: RANGE PRIMARY
Charges: Unlimited
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 22
DMG: 14 Dmg Bonus: 21
STA: +10 WIS: +15 INT: +10 HP: +50 MANA: +75
SV DISEASE: +15 SV POISON: +15
Effect: Carnage (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 15.0) at Level 45
WT: 4.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: SHM
Race: BAR TRL OGR IKS VAH FRG


Iksar mace


That item won't be on this server anytime soon, if ever. It will stop at quest #5.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=201521&postcount=12

[Messianic]

I chose a barb because of the size issue primarily. Otherwise I would have chosen Ogre for stun resist. If you solo at all it is a big deal, in my opinion.

Regen doesn't seem that great of an incentive to me because shamans are pretty good at getting their hp back anyways.

But damn... ogres are just so damn big and blocky...

True. One of the most hilarious sights in classic EQ was the Sol B or Lguk zonelines with an afk or LD ogre sitting in the way while people are trying to zone away from a train.

People would be cursing at the guy to move, etc...

[skipdog]

I decided on barbarian just to not have to deal with everybody hating me or the xp penalty. I never rolled up a shaman to be able to brag about my solo kills anyways.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Why are these threads always full of ZOMG SIX POINTS OF REGEN!!! Sixty hit points a minute, sitting. That's the troll/iksar racial ability.

There are three things to think about in a shaman: frontal stun, JBB and Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer. If you're going to choose based on appearance, you probably don't need advice on what looks cool. Decide if you want to solo Lodizal, how much you like the JBB and how much you like to melee.

[Darian]

Why are these threads always full of ZOMG SIX POINTS OF REGEN!!! Sixty hit points a minute, sitting. That's the troll/iksar racial ability.

There are three things to think about in a shaman: frontal stun, JBB and Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer. If you're going to choose based on appearance, you probably don't need advice on what looks cool. Decide if you want to solo Lodizal, how much you like the JBB and how much you like to melee.

I find myself wondering if the "only ogres can solo Lodi" thing is actually true... but only way I'd roll ogre is if I can find out how to hax the luclin ogre models in

[Knuckle]

frontal stun immunity is by far the most dominant factor in any shaman encounter short of being a buff bitch on raids. You guys have fucking alchemy and shrink spell, get a clue on the size thing.

[dredge]

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[Potus]

That item won't be on this server anytime soon, if ever. It will stop at quest #5.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=201521&postcount=12

Lame :(

[JayDee]

Ogre fool

[Lickum]

I rolled a troll, watch me still solo Lodizal.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I rolled a troll, watch me still solo Lodizal.

I'm sure those extra 60 hit points a minute will more than make up for being interrupted.