Sleepers Tomb Bonanza!

[Detoxx]

Had an idea I'd like to share and see if maybe we can make it happen! My idea was every year or maybe twice a year, the generous server staff we have resets Sleeper's Tomb and deletes all keys on the server.

This could bring the server new life as it will:

1. Create something fun to do for all (race to get your guild keyed for Sleeper's Tomb)

2. Make the 5 mobs that drop ST keys a priority again, changing the dynamic of priority of targets for guilds.

3. Once forces are able to kill Warders, it will change the dynamic of raiding in general. On repops, the 2 forces will be competing in ST first rather than ToV/Kael and even on regular weekly spawns, the target priority will be different.

What do you guys think?

In b4 "not classic" but we have FTE messages, 25 mobs per AoE spells, basically every raid rule, and all other things done for the betterment of the server!

[jpetrick]

Have the warders repop on earthquakes and only on earthquakes. Only downside is that the awakening script will run a lot, it's somewhat disruptive to a few zones.

I'd like to keep my key.

[Tenderizer]

Deleting those peoples keys who have them but dont go to st. Outside of that A+ idea.

[Senescant]

The generous server staff could just put the warders back into ST...

[Aeternum]

Good idea since Sleeper was only woken to screw the rest of the server.

[fastboy21]

Feeding the most toxic portion of the server with rewards under the guise of "treating the server" is a good one.

I support this only if it happens during a ban of the top two guilds and restoring it to how it was before they gain access. Given recent rates of suspension it would probably work out that way even if the GMs don't try.

How about ask this again after a year of no suspensions and general respect for the server?

[branamil]

Was a bad idea to make the sleeper waken-able on a time locked progression server.

Would be a good idea to let people experience classic content again.

Signed!

[Raavak]

I agree with branamil. Waking the Sleeper might be "classic" but it is the ultimate "screw you" done by one group. Its totally not PNP.

[jag2kk]

repop some warders on Earthquake, dont reset sleeper though imo.

[Lhancelot]

Had an idea I'd like to share and see if maybe we can make it happen! My idea was every year or maybe twice a year, the generous server staff we have resets Sleeper's Tomb and deletes all keys on the server.

This could bring the server new life as it will:


What do you guys think?

In b4 "not classic" but we have FTE messages, 25 mobs per AoE spells, basically every raid rule, and all other things done for the betterment of the server!


From my non-raiding perspective, The Sleeper granted the server a living mythical being that was ever-present and always beckoning those strongest a challenge to look forward to someday.

By not resurrecting the Sleeper back to the server, those pathetic sad losers who awakened him are granted the power of wielding an eternal massive middle finger at P99.

The staff should strike back with their own gigantic middle finger at those losers who to this day feel like their lives have been fulfilled by destroying the Sleeper on P99.

I don't even raid, and think it's a great idea to have the Sleeper back on P99.

[skarlorn]

People having fun playing eq is generally good unless it leads to addiction

[Skew]

Shit idea Detoxx.
I know youre better than this.

[loramin]

Having a waken-able Sleeper made wayyyyy more sense on live.

Velious was released here on August 2nd, 2015, ie. more than two years ago. You know what happened on live in that time? Shadows of Luclin (1 year after). Planes of Power (less than 2 years after). Heck in a few more months if we were "on schedule" we'd not only have LoY but also LDoN.

Why does that matter? Because by the time LDoN came out no one cared about the loot from the warders. I mean maybe some people might have still wanted some items from it, but in general when you're level 65 with 200 AAs and Plane of Time drops, who cares about primal weapons?

PLUS, if we were going by live the warders would have been restored by now (without the Sleeper).

So while in some sense the dev's decision is the "most classic" choice, it's really an incredibly unclassic one this long after Velious's release. Not even Brad McQuaid himself would let a few players deny everyone else on the server some of the best items in the game for over two years. He would have done the exact same thing the live devs did: either release better items, restore the warders, or do both.

[Matalus]

No, not classic. Sleeper is awake. Sorry, but get over it.

[Nathaniel]

No thanks to the OP idea, that's just a way to get rid of the non A/A keys.

I like the idea that someone posted on having warders repop on quakes though but I think it should be more of a rare chance than 100% all 4 pop. Something like a 5% pop chance for each warder on quake. That'd be entertaining and add a nice twist to the quakes, checking the rare chance if a warder popped or maybe even more. That way the server should typically see a warder every few months or so.

[Endonde]

Add warders back in but they can only drop cloth caps.

[Argh]

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

[Mead]

can we delete the in game account of every person who creates this thread?

then we could really clean up the server

also, enjoying the desperation

[Nexii]

I think it'd be fun to have a yearly Sleeper's reset. I didn't play during early Velious and think it'd be cool to get to experience those fights at some point.

Once the essence lens quest goes in a lot of old keys will be turned in anyhow.

[EpicAdventure]

A great idea ive had myself before. we might as well have all the classic content if we are going to be playing classic. this is a easy thing that the staff can do to improve the server all around. More targets for thos able to kill them, and more opportunities to try existing content for other guilds (while top end is occupied in ST) seems like a win, win as the only ppl who loose anything thing are 20 players still around who already have ST loot.

[Necrostoner]

Having a waken-able Sleeper made wayyyyy more sense on live.

Velious was released here on August 2nd, 2015, ie. more than two years ago. You know what happened on live in that time? Shadows of Luclin (1 year after). Planes of Power (less than 2 years after). Heck in a few more months if we were "on schedule" we'd not only have LoY but also LDoN.

Why does that matter? Because by the time LDoN came out no one cared about the loot from the warders. I mean maybe some people might have still wanted some items from it, but in general when you're level 65 with 200 AAs and Plane of Time drops, who cares about primal weapons?

PLUS, if we were going by live the warders would have been restored by now (without the Sleeper).

So while in some sense the dev's decision is the "most classic" choice, it's really an incredibly unclassic one this long after Velious's release. Not even Brad McQuaid himself would let a few players deny everyone else on the server some of the best items in the game for over two years. He would have done the exact same thing the live devs did: either release better items, restore the warders, or do both.



Who cares. If you dont like it GTFO. Maybe you shouldnt just shit on the devs and all their hard work ya prick.

[arsenalpow]

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

[skarlorn]

If you hadn't looted that Gharn's, Sleeper never would have been woken, and you could be killing warders right now...

Hope this helps!!!!

[Detoxx]

Personally, I have 2 SoD atm and could care less about the loot from ST. This is speaking from a "dead end server" deal where theres nothing left. Could breed new life every once and a while is all I'm looking to do.

The keys have to be deleted because its a well known fact that people who already woke the sleeper, upon finding out he was back, would simply come back and wake him again for fun. This is not an attempt to "get rid of all keys besides A/A".

Also, the change would benefit A/A sure, but the casuals get new life and opportuntiy as the 5 ST key mobs are priority over any mob for at least 2 months, opening options in ToV and Kael.

[Phatez]

Add warders 1 month respawn with 1 month variance

[Foxplay]

Or you could just make the event spawn every 7days anyway

This servers raid scene needs as many targets as possible as it is. Not classic.... but then again neither is a server that never goes past velious (shrug)

Not that it matters much, even if warders re-spawned every 7days +/- 8hours regardlesss of Sleeper awakening. Yea Key mobs would be a lil more important and CSG would start getting more keys over time but in the end even with the addition of 4 more raid targets it would all still boil down to FTE window camping.... just a tiny less % less shitty with just a couple more targets added to the list

[Senescant]

While we're being silly just have the warders spawn in random zones on a fixed 7 day timer. So it would be a scavenger hunt. One week one spawns in Qeynos hills, another in Runnyeye, a 3rd in Droga and a 4th in Kelethin! The following week one could spawn in Kedge, another in Warslik Woods, another in Erud's Crossing and the 4th in Blackburrow. And so on...

[khandman]

If there were a server wide agreement or understand that the Sleeper was not to be woke, this could work.

But it only takes one dickhead group of people to ruin it for everyone.

[Pokesan]

this sounds like a feeble attempt to be able to say 'We woke the Sleeper too!'

please get over it

[MiRo2]

I've gotten everything I can possibly get from ToV and Kael and it wasn't enough, it will never be enough.

[fastboy21]

Personally, I could care less about the loot from ST.

Liar.

[skarlorn]

Move this to RNF!

[Lhancelot]

this sounds like a feeble attempt to be able to say 'We woke the Sleeper too!'

please get over it

Why are you so cynical. :(

I think too many times people look at who posts, and this skews their judgment before they even think on the matter.

Besides the tired saying "it's classic" honestly what harm would come from resetting Sleeper?

I don't even raid, and can't really see a big deal here.

Having the Sleeper back on the server would be like having Michael Jordan playing in the NBA again! Imagine all the nerds who would come to P99 just for a chance to see the Sleeper! (I know this is a ridiculous and dumb analogy ty)

I think a yearly reset would work fine.

[Lhancelot]

Move this to RNF!

Hush your hobbithole, this is not a rant. :D

[Badwar]

Deleting those peoples keys who have them but dont go to st. Outside of that A+ idea.

Aneurysm?

[fan D]

this server is here to be a museum, not for any other reason. wouldn't matter if 3 people played on it.

[Mead]

Move this to RNF!

Yes, so we can talk about the origin of those SoDs

[Nommis]

I thought this was gonna be open priceless farm.

:(

Same

[Mead]

Personally, I have 2 SoD atm and could care less about the loot from ST. This is speaking from a "dead end server" deal where theres nothing left. Could breed new life every once and a while is all I'm looking to do.

The keys have to be deleted because its a well known fact that people who already woke the sleeper, upon finding out he was back, would simply come back and wake him again for fun. This is not an attempt to "get rid of all keys besides A/A".

Also, the change would benefit A/A sure, but the casuals get new life and opportuntiy as the 5 ST key mobs are priority over any mob for at least 2 months, opening options in ToV and Kael.

Honestly, if you have two shits about casuals, or anyone else outside of your own guild, you would have hosted what people thought this thread was going to be about, an open ST raid. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for competition, and earning your pixels. But if you're going to pretend this is anything other than pixel lust, I'm going to be the first person to call bullshit. Maybe not for your main, since BDK gave you some welfare SoDs, but for your alts, or the rest of your guild. And at this point, you guys seen to be the more dominant guild, anyone attempting to compete would have a hard time if all of the keys were destroyed. So this is all really laughable.

If nilbog has any say in this ST is never going to get reset. You would be naïve to believe otherwise. He most likely gets off to every tear created post sleeper wake up.

[Detoxx]

Honestly, if you have two shits about casuals, or anyone else outside of your own guild, you would have hosted what people thought this thread was going to be about, an open ST raid. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for competition, and earning your pixels. But if you're going to pretend this is anything other than pixel lust, I'm going to be the first person to call bullshit. Maybe not for your main, since BDK gave you some welfare SoDs, but for your alts, or the rest of your guild. And at this point, you guys seen to be the more dominant guild, anyone attempting to compete would have a hard time if all of the keys were destroyed. So this is all really laughable.

If nilbog has any say in this ST is never going to get reset. You would be naïve to believe otherwise. He most likely gets off to every tear created post sleeper wake up.

You mad I killed your guild and now have Rampage officers and members bro?

[Mead]

You mad I killed your guild and now have Rampage officers and members bro?

;)

[Jazzy]

Not gonna happen

Sorry you lost

[Oleris]

Can't believe there hasn't been some sort of reset with sleepers.

[skarlorn]

cxan't believe you all hate classic so much

[branamil]

raiding the warders is way more classic than not raiding the warders. Why do you hate velious content so much

[RedXIII]

Not classic.

You lost the game.

<Rampage> wins.

#getrekt

[Oleris]

Not classic.

You lost the game.

<Rampage> wins.

#getrekt


rampage kicked aftermath's ass in the first couple months of velious. That being said, it's crazy to make an end game zone with a key almost worthless. I'm sure the original dev team though very few servers would actually kill all the warders before luclin.

[Jazzy]

Shits classic

[Daloon]

Im okay with bringing back Warders, but dont delete my keys.

[Zal22]

Did not read all pages but lol at the idea of deleting keys so that 2 guilds can compete. You do realise keys have been sold, right? + more pp for primal 2h loot.....nice scheme fucko.

2x SoD given to AM not enough?

[Jimjam]

Just flag sleeperwakers for key deletion?

[Halox]

Was a bad idea to make the sleeper waken-able on a time locked progression server

[EQsale]

Had an idea I'd like to share and see if maybe we can make it happen! My idea was every year or maybe twice a year, the generous server staff we have resets Sleeper's Tomb and deletes all keys on the server.

This could bring the server new life as it will:


What do you guys think?

In b4 "not classic" but we have FTE messages, 25 mobs per AoE spells, basically every raid rule, and all other things done for the betterment of the server!

I don't think the staff should do jack shit too reward shitty behaviour

Maybe look for another game rather then breaking the rules over n over n over on this one n think you deserve any of ur ideas listen too.

[Ravager]

I don't think the staff should do jack shit too reward shitty behaviour

Maybe look for another game rather then breaking the rules over n over n over on this one n think you deserve any of ur ideas listen too.
Far too reasonable of a thing to do for these people. Detoxx will be "competing" for the same dragons with the same paint by numbers tactics here 10 years from now.

[Tuurin]

While we're being silly just have the warders spawn in random zones on a fixed 7 day timer. So it would be a scavenger hunt. One week one spawns in Qeynos hills, another in Runnyeye, a 3rd in Droga and a 4th in Kelethin! The following week one could spawn in Kedge, another in Warslik Woods, another in Erud's Crossing and the 4th in Blackburrow. And so on...

As long as one of the "random" weekly spawns is at T1 in EC, you would have my support.

[Lhancelot]

I think to make it classic they should wipe the server thus resetting everything across the board.

This way, the bad kiddies don't get rewarded and the server gets Sleeper back.

Anyway, P99 Green will be out in 2025, so you all will get your Sleeper. Just be patient.

[Brut]

No. Do not want to see any more monk robes on server ever.

[Detoxx]

rampage kicked aftermath's ass in the first couple months of velious. That being said, it's crazy to make an end game zone with a key almost worthless. I'm sure the original dev team though very few servers would actually kill all the warders before luclin.

Flase, Aftermath wasn't even a guild when Rampage was.

[kotton05]

Capital idea!

That will never be implemented.

LOL Caiu how the fuck do you always post first

[Lemonhead]

As long as one of the "random" weekly spawns is at T1 in EC, you would have my support.

Why, you a T2er?

[aaezil]

move to rants...

also seek help

[Mead]

move to rants...

also seek help

Love your quotes

Definitely fits with their agenda

[mattydef]

The sleeper is gone and it should stay that way. Let the few special snowflakes that experienced that keep their accomplishment, hell it's probably the best thing they've done with their life tbh. I don't have a problem with the rest of ST spawning like normal though, this server isn't progressing any further.

[Expediency]

Terrible idea.

-A/A has the ability to obtain keys at a faster rate than others, so this nonclassic change greatly benefits them while harming everyone else. They want to up the barrier to entry now that guilds other than A/A have jumped through the hoop of obtaining ST keys.

-Each month, as we move closer to another key wipe, the relative value of your new key decreases. Guilds will be working in months 11/12 to get keys that will only be useful for a few trips into ST at most before the yearly wipe.

-Obtaining a ST key requires putting serious time and effort into your guild. Anyone starting midway through a "key respawn cycle" will find it impossible to catch up, and will have to wait until the next yearly cycle to begin.

The second two issues are solvable by having the key on a 12 month timer, instead of a "once per year total wipe" of all keys.

[skarlorn]

keep the sleeper asleep

ban anyone who says "wake the sleeper" in game

classiq

[azeth]

Had an idea I'd like to share and see if maybe we can make it happen! My idea was every year or maybe twice a year, the generous server staff we have resets Sleeper's Tomb and deletes all keys on the server.

This could bring the server new life as it will:


What do you guys think?

In b4 "not classic" but we have FTE messages, 25 mobs per AoE spells, basically every raid rule, and all other things done for the betterment of the server!

ya lost. Its over

[radda]

lol if you honestly believe this.

classic eq is about the people and the world they create. too much red really fucks you up.

it is a museum you momo, but you are right, eq is about the people and the worl they create, cept they keep kicking you out of it. 3 servers now? yikes

[radda]

This was a great post. I expect to see many more of them as the reality of 1AM batphones for 3-year old Velious mobs start to wear thin on people.

More ways to try to keep fresh that which is stale. Eventually the nerds who monopolize content will move on though. They always do.

lol creating a vacuum, so no, there will most likely always be someone to monopolize.

[Detoxx]

This was a great post. I expect to see many more of them as the reality of 1AM batphones for 3-year old Velious mobs start to wear thin on people.

More ways to try to keep fresh that which is stale. Eventually the nerds who monopolize content will move on though. They always do.

Agnarr sucks bro. Get over it.

[24kanthony]

If we reset the ST and didn't delete the keys, would A/A not banish them selfs to ST for repops and the start of every earth quake, leaving everything else open for the rest of us?
I could be totally off here but it seems like that might work.

[Mendo]

Agnarr sucks bro. Get over it.

I tried it. It really does suck! Raiding with boxes has to be one of the most boring things to do and defeats the purpose of playing this game. Sure its fun to easily gear out a bunch of alts but playing with actual people is way more fun!

[Toomuch]

Just flag sleeperwakers for key deletion?

Ooh, I like this idea!

Honestly, there's a lot of hate in this thread about "not classic, blah blah, I have a stick up my butt about what's considered classic in my opinion". FACT: CLASSIC was that people only had to wait like maybe a year TOPS before they could raid ST after the Sleeper woke up. That fact isn't up for dispute, that's the way it went, it was the plan all along, etc. The way we've got it is NOT sticking with the plan. Right? Right.

Back to opinions though: people are playing on P99 to experience the Classic, Kunark, and Velious content, and not Classic, Kunark, and 87% of the Velious Content. I call this my "opinion", but it's pretty much a no-brainer that people don't play so that they can not experience content...

There's lots of options for how to open up this content, to be honest. It's just finding one that people feel right about, is the only question.

Option A: Early Bird gets the worm, there will only ever be one worm (not classic), everyone else loses.

Option 2: A one time reset of Sleeper's Tomb, don't screw it up this time, asshats.

Option D: A periodic reset of Sleeper's Tomb. Once every (X amount of time), ST resets.

Door #4: Follow the actual plan/timeline for Sleeper's Tomb, AKA release ST 2.0, the version after The Sleeper woke up.

My vote is actually for #4, because even though it technically happened during "Luclin timeframe", it's Velious, with Velious level loot (primals basically get re-branded as "Ancient Prismatic" instead, same stats though), and some of the old "classic" stuff never drops again, making it extremely unique/rare/special. The stuff that drops in ST 2.0 wouldn't imbalance the current game in any way either. It also isn't any kinf od a "custom version" of anything, so people don't have their nerd alarm go off and lose their friendly shit over it being "not classic". On the contrary, it's as classic as can be, because it's the REAL end of the timeline for Sleeper's tomb.

However, if too many nerd alarms are indeed tripped by that "Not Classic ***TIMELINE***" solution, then my vote is for either of the other 2 options, in order to open up content to the CURRENT and FUTURE playerbase.

[Ravager]

Every Warder kill deletes a random 6 keys from the members of that guild. A full clear drops out 24 keys. Eventually guilds would bleed keys too much and wouldn't be able to contest the zone and another guild could jump in for it. Forcing a pseudo rotation in the zone

A+ Idea Detoxx. Let's get it done. I love rotating content so everyone can enjoy it.
Doesn't that just keep the key dragons on perma-lockdown?

[skarlorn]

OP idea is essentially:

lets give the ring back to sauron

and ALSO take the staves away from the Istari

f*cktard!! Death to Sauron!!!

[Bummey]

Respawn warders, disable sleeper script, ban all former and current A/A members as well as people who were in any of the guilds that became A/A from entering the zone.

That'd do it.

[Halfcell]

Respawn the warders, it's not hard.

I think the main reason people play P99 rather than Live is for twinking alts. There is nothing on P99 that you can't do on live, except put a fungi on your level 1. It's about flaunting status, and always has been, since classic EQ was new. You level your first character to 60 and use your raid gear and leveled friends to get plat and gear to pimp your alts out and be OP as fuck for the first 40 levels.

That's why Agnarr sucks, that's the reason all TLP's start out full and die off fast, you can't twink the same as classic.

The reason the warders were the coolest thing in the world is half their loot is droppable (meaning twink loot). It's also a main why reason they despawn after waking the sleeper, so there is a limited number of these items in circulation.

How many manastones are there on P99? How many Fungi's? How many pre-nerf CoS, or Fungi staffs? WAY WAY WAY more than were ever on live is the answer. But there exactly 11 SoD's?

People play P99 to get gear that has been long since nerfed into the ground. Respawning the warders is not classic, but neither is P99.

P99 is the "If i knew then what i know now" fantasy, and permanent warders is the most P99 thing i have ever heard of.

[24kanthony]

P99 is the "If i knew then what i know now" fantasy, and permanent warders is the most P99 thing i have ever heard of.

And the mic drops.

[Pokesan]

you shouldn't try to force your playstyle on anyone else. there's nothing stopping you from deleting and refarmining your keys.

ALS is wisdom

[deezy]

Yeah, no

[Mead]

Agnarr sucks bro. Get over it.

don't think I didn't notice you updated your sig banner with some of your own blood from getting crushed in this thread

I like it

[Mead]

Sorry that isn't classic. TLP has poisoned your mind.

Between how bitter he is from not getting his way on p99 and becoming the biggest tlp fanboi, Daldaen exists in a different reality now

[Pheer]

what's the current conversion ratio of pizzas to SoDs?

[Mead]

what's the current conversion ratio of pizzas to SoDs?

So, I was actually going to figure out the conversion ratio by seeing who offers the best discount on bulk pizzas, either pizza hut or dominos, since those are probably the only two options appropriate for this community. But then I got stuck on this facebook thread I stumbled on during my research. https://www.facebook.com/pizzahutus/posts/10151497083002415. People wishing death upon each other on facebook over pizza. God bless the internet.

[Lhancelot]

I can't see it.

I refuse to log into Facebook. :(