Classic Items??

[Kados]

Hey there, im a prospective old-school EQ/WoW player, me and some friends are really interested in getting into oldschool classic EQ like you guys offer - but we want to be able to get the old items that were removed like Box of Abukar, Manastones, and Guise of the Deciever - are any of those still availible on your server? and if not, do you guys have plans to open/start another new classic progression server?

Are there any other ideas anyone could suggest? Im assuming the sony progression servers do not have these old items either?

thanks in advance for any help.

[Extunarian]

Those items no longer drop. Some are tradable so you can farm plat and attempt to buy them however.

Kunark is about to open so there are some opportunites to get some of the pre-nerf items that came out with that expansion like the sk/necro invisibility hat or inventory usable fungi staff.

I can't speak for the devs but as of now they haven't mentioned opening a new server. The current plan is to take this one through velious which could be another couple of years.

[Zarniwooop]

Guise is no longer pre-nerf.

Neither of the other two items drop anymore either.

[jtaddei]

please don't let the idea of a few nerfed items (done to coincide with classic eq progression) keep you away from playing here. The classic experience is so much more than getting pre-nerf items.

[azeth]

please don't let the idea of a few nerfed items (done to coincide with classic eq progression) keep you away from playing here. The classic experience is so much more than getting pre-nerf items.

truth, aside from a Box of Abu i picked up, I personally don't have a single "pre nerf" classic item and am totally satisfied with my gear/bank.

[Messianic]

please don't let the idea of a few nerfed items (done to coincide with classic eq progression) keep you away from playing here. The classic experience is so much more than getting pre-nerf items.

Seriously. The collective Classic/Kunark/Velious content is so much more awesome than a few pre-nerf items that aren't all that important in reality...

[Striiker]

I agree with the others.. It's most certainly worth playing on the servers. I got on just after these items were removed and felt bummed about it as I had great memories of getting them on the old live servers. These items though are a very minor piece of the classic experience which this server gives us all. I'd advise playing for a month or so in order to get a feel for what the server and the great community have to offer. Kunark is about to launch which will be a lot of fun for all. I am sure that in a couple years, they will do a new server launch which will incorporate all of the fixes and tuning which were done over a span of several years on the current server. Welcome!

[nilbog]

Well, as the server is based on a timeline, we removed the items that should be removed according to the timeline.

Manastones and boxes of abu`kar are droppable.. so its possible to trade for them. Lotttts of limited time Kunark loots to be obtained though. Mosscovered Twigs, Circlet of Shadow, Gem Encrusted Rings, etc.

[Kados]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciate it.

Do you guys know whether the sony progression servers have pre-nerf guises? i know the other stuff can be bought, but that item in particular means a lot to me for some silly reason.

[nilbog]

Not sure. It will eventually have a casino though right? So you can certainly get one in Luclin.

[Kados]

Not sure. It will eventually have a casino though right? So you can certainly get one in Luclin.

I quit EQ mid-way through velious, there was a place in-game where a pre-nerf guise could be bought with plat?

[hedbonker]

I quit EQ mid-way through velious, there was a place in-game where a pre-nerf guise could be bought with plat?

Sort of... The next expansion (SoL) had an NPC based casino added to it (it was actually added quite a while after SOL was released) and with enough plat and luck you could win a guise.

[Slave]

Buuuut that won't ever be in. So there is 100% no way to get a Guise unless you buy a character with one.

[Chrushev]

Buuuut that won't ever be in. So there is 100% no way to get a Guise unless you buy a character with one.

Never say never.. there may be some event or somesuch like xmas or something where they could enable casino or something...

they've used Plane of Time from POP for events before.. so who knows. Unlikely, but possible.

[Kados]

Never say never.. there may be some event or somesuch like xmas or something where they could enable casino or something...

they've used Plane of Time from POP for events before.. so who knows. Unlikely, but possible.

are you talking about project 99 or sony's server?

[nilbog]

Never say never.. there may be some event or somesuch like xmas or something where they could enable casino or something...

they've used Plane of Time from POP for events before.. so who knows. Unlikely, but possible.

We used a potime map for a pvp 'capture the flag' optional event to help test pvp mechanics. It had no prizes, and not many people participated. Even with an optional custom pvp game, people still didn't want to test things :P Not sure of its relevance in this conversation.

There are no plans for a casino.

[Kados]

We used a potime map for a pvp 'capture the flag' optional event to help test pvp mechanics. It had no prizes, and not many people participated. Even with an optional custom pvp game, people still didn't want to test things :P Not sure of its relevance in this conversation.

There are no plans for a casino.

Would you ever consider making the guise pre-nerf again or even making it possible to get one? im sure a lot of people would support that if a poll was taken, i know all my friends ive talked to about this have asked me if the guise is pre-nerf

[Shamalam]

We used a potime map for a pvp 'capture the flag' optional event to help test pvp mechanics. It had no prizes, and not many people participated. Even with an optional custom pvp game, people still didn't want to test things :P Not sure of its relevance in this conversation.


I, for one, would love to see something like this happen again. Obviously you guys have your hands full at the moment... but I think this is definitely something to consider in the future.

[Versus]

Won't happen unless it's given out at a GM event. The people that were here supporting the server in the beginning will feel slighted that their prized possession is now quite common.

Also, everyone will be a damn dark elf, and that's not fun.

[Extunarian]

Would you ever consider making the guise pre-nerf again or even making it possible to get one? im sure a lot of people would support that if a poll was taken, i know all my friends ive talked to about this have asked me if the guise is pre-nerf

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Originally Posted by Nilbog
If all the polls I have done up until now fully counted, you would be playing on some abomination of a PVP server with 2-10 boxing based on votes from people named xcm234nv and adfa234.

[nilbog]

Would you ever consider making the guise pre-nerf again or even making it possible to get one? im sure a lot of people would support that if a poll was taken, i know all my friends ive talked to about this have asked me if the guise is pre-nerf

There are no plans to make the guise drop again. We try to follow nerf/unnerf timelines as closely as possible, to simulate classic times. If guises were to drop again, the players who currently own them that did the camp.. would not be happy.

We have awarded guises at GM events, however, which is classic. Events are few and far between at the moment, due to development time, but we will have more. Not saying its likely to get a guise at a GM event with hundreds of people, but its possible.

[Kassel]

I would give my left nut (the good one) for a pre nerf guise

[hedbonker]

The problem with this is that it is not "Classic". So how can you get around that and still be "Classic"? It was classic to have GM events that included rewards. Since they were given out at the discretion of the GMs, in theory, you could still be classic and put some special items into circulation...

[Messianic]

I think the whole problem with this "They should have those classic artifacts drop again just because of me" thinking is it never ends.

You're not more special than anyone else - and as much as I would love to have a guise, or have camped a manastone, I know I came to the server too late. That's all there is to it.

Having those items drop again destroys the integrity of the server progression and would cause more problems than many realize. Because just letting you have a chance to get one means letting everyone and their mom have a chance to get one.

If you want a server that's trying its hardest to stick to the classic timeline and protocol, this is the place. If you want a server that just gives you whatever you want, try out EZ server. I bet you'll get bored very quickly.

[Kados]

I agree with that, but what im saying is that I think many, many people (myself included) are hesitant or even reluctant to play without the chance to get a pre-nerf guise believe it or not.. and its an item that really adds to the flavour of the "Classic" feel. maybe the solution is to make them more availible through GM events or PVP events, or something.. I think it would be a big thing to allow new prospective players to have a realstic hope that if they work hard at it, that they could acquire a guise at some point and in order to do that through GM events, there would have to be quite a few opportunities to get one

[Messianic]

Sticking to the classic timeline and protocol is more important than drawing in players who refuse to play unless they can get pre-nerf classic items.

PvP Events or GM events to get those items most definitely do not stick to the classic timeline or protocol.

No dice.

[Kassel]

I agree with that, but what im saying is that I think many, many people (myself included) are hesitant or even reluctant to play without the chance to get a pre-nerf guise believe it or not..

If that is what is keeping you from playing you would not last long anyway.

[azeth]

Kadios, understand the reason behind the Guise's value is it's rarity. That being said, the whole premise of rereleasing an item like this inherently drops it's value thus negating any reason to even desire it.

any reason to even desire it.

what a tool, should have just said "want" :p

[Versus]

Question which I think I know the answer to anyway, but I'll ask just for clarity:

If a monk has a Guise and they use "flying kick"...The dark elf model does what? Just regular kick?

[Extunarian]

I agree with that, but what im saying is that I think many, many people (myself included) are hesitant or even reluctant to play without the chance to get a pre-nerf guise believe it or not.

This is the same thing that people say when they find out they can't box here.

Check server population on 3/25 (or today for that matter) and tell me the devs actions are depriving this server of a vibrant playerbase.

[Messianic]

Question which I think I know the answer to anyway, but I'll ask just for clarity:

If a monk has a Guise and they use "flying kick"...The dark elf model does what? Just regular kick?

Pretty sure it just does the same flying kick animation, IIRC from watching guise monks do it. Human animation and dark elf animation are actually identical.

[DevGrousis]

Well, as the server is based on a timeline, we removed the items that should be removed according to the timeline.

Manastones and boxes of abu`kar are droppable.. so its possible to trade for them. Lotttts of limited time Kunark loots to be obtained though. Mosscovered Twigs, Circlet of Shadow, Gem Encrusted Rings, etc.

how long will all those items be available before the time line tells you to poof them?

[Dantes]

I agree with that, but what im saying is that I think many, many people (myself included) are hesitant or even reluctant to play without the chance to get a pre-nerf guise believe it or not..

Many, many people (including myself) don't really give a shit if you are reluctant to play because you can't get the items you want. And they're currently playing on this server now, pre-nerf or nerf -- they don't care. Peak population has gone from 400 up to around 1000 since I started, so obviously there's quite a few people who aren't bothered by it.

I started after everything was nerfed. This server rocks, I have had a blast. If you wanna play, just play, but if you are going to start bitching before you even get started - don't bother.

[Kados]

This is the same thing that people say when they find out they can't box here.

Check server population on 3/25 (or today for that matter) and tell me the devs actions are depriving this server of a vibrant playerbase.

I think its a stretch to compare what im talking about to boxing... and I never said the devs are depriving the server of a playerbase, you seem to be twisting what im saying

[Kados]

Many, many people (including myself) don't really give a shit if you are reluctant to play because you can't get the items you want. And they're currently playing on this server now, pre-nerf or nerf -- they don't care. Peak population has gone from 400 up to around 1000 since I started, so obviously there's quite a few people who aren't bothered by it.

I started after everything was nerfed. This server rocks, I have had a blast. If you wanna play, just play, but if you are going to start bitching before you even get started - don't bother.

you're a jerk, far be it from me to be concerned with what your opinion is.

[Mcbard]

Stranger things have happen.. I recall people bitching about LR dropping like candy during a gm event I had first started playing on this server, so I wouldn't completely rule out rare items being in a gm event (especially based on what the 'bog said). Only way to possibly get one under those circumstances would be to start playing and get lucky. Can't loot one if you never start a character. :)

[Extunarian]

I think its a stretch to compare what im talking about to boxing... and I never said the devs are depriving the server of a playerbase, you seem to be twisting what im saying

You are positing that pre-nerf items being unavailable to new players is keeping people from the server. I'm saying the server population is doing just fine without these supposed people.

And those of us who have been here longer than a week have seen this argument over and over especially with regards to boxing.

Overall I agree with Dantes. You are getting off on the wrong foot by complaining about this stuff. Try joining the server and getting a feel for the community before you start demanding the devs cater to you. And if you really want a guise, roll a rogue or a bard.

[Sharkeye]

Little derail, but does anyone on the server have a Fanged Skull Stiletto?

[Chrushev]

Although Casino is not planned at any point. (I personally dont care either way). But as a sidethought about it. Since we are stopping at velious and there are (so far) multiple years between expansions. At a certain point the plat in the economy must get enormous... so something like a casino could get rid of couple billion plat out of the economy :)

[guineapig]

truth, aside from a Box of Abu i picked up, I personally don't have a single "pre nerf" classic item and am totally satisfied with my gear/bank.

Same here. (Although I have half a dozen boxes) I never bothered camping any of the pre-nerf stuff and I've been here more or less since launch.
It's no big deal.

[shuklak]

I think it sucks you can't camp something like a manastone, but then again that's also partly why the manastone has its allure.

[Boomlaor]

Little derail, but does anyone on the server have a Fanged Skull Stiletto?
2 or 3 dropped. No idea if those players are still active or if they FSS are in circulation or not.

[azeth]

I think it sucks you can't camp something like a manastone, but then again that's also partly why the manastone has its allure.

Kadios, understand the reason behind the Guise's value is it's rarity. That being said, the whole premise of rereleasing an item like this inherently drops it's value thus negating any reason to even want it.


totally agree

[Versus]

Kadios, understand the reason behind the Guise's value is it's rarity. That being said, the whole premise of rereleasing an item like this inherently drops it's value thus negating any reason to even want it.

totally agree

So you agree with yourself? Blasphemy!

[Messianic]

So you agree with yourself? Blasphemy!

But if I said I disagree with myself, wouldn't I be agreeing that I disagree with myself?

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