Using a 2h weapon 1-60 as War or SK

[Merp]

Is this viable or would it prove both impossible and in the end not useful at all for DPS or tanking in end-game raids?

[SiouxNation]

Pretty sure a decent 2H is going to give you more dps and more aggro than any reasonable DW or 1H + Shield combo.

2H weapons offer great value here, if you go Warrior pickup a Staff of Battle. If you go SK maybe target a DN style 2H weapon.

[Veleria]

I feel that 2h falls off a bit in Velious with the introduction of the Frostbringer for warriors. Combined with a decent off hand it seems to out damage and out aggro most 2h available. As an SK 2h is the way to go for most content. SK get so little from the addition of a shield and the generally slower 2h actually benefit the SK by making it easier to cast without losing melee swings.

[Trungep99]

Well I’d say have a mix of all kinds of weapons to skill up as you level up

[Veleria]

Both of those weapons are poor aggro. Aggro is almost entirely spell based which puts an emphasis on procs. An SK can easily use spells however a warrior will struggle without a proccing weapon. This is fine if you are DPSing but if you are the tank you will wanto to prioritize Aggro procs like the rune blade over dps weapons like Exquisite 2h

[Raev]

My sperglord calculator suggests that a Reaver is 48 hate per second vs Infestation/Frostbringer at 81 hate per second. This is the L60 calculation, so when you are leveling you probably won't have max dex and you certainly will dual wield less, but I still find it hard to believe the Reaver will make up the difference. After the great 2H damage bonus buff 2H weapons will be decent but still behind 1H for pure threat.

TDLR: if you have a blinding orb, you can probably make it work

[Jimjam]

Is this viable or would it prove both impossible and in the end not useful at all for DPS or tanking in end-game raids?

Warriors get triple attack (primary only)at 60, which proportionally benefits 2 handers more than dw.

[24kanthony]

On my 60 sk, I'm using a 2 hander more than half the time. Gotta have my 1h and shield for tanking green drakes in HoT or rounding out the tank list on some raid mobs.

[ScruffMacBuff]

Both of those weapons are poor aggro. Aggro is almost entirely spell based which puts an emphasis on procs. An SK can easily use spells however a warrior will struggle without a proccing weapon. This is fine if you are DPSing but if you are the tank you will wanto to prioritize Aggro procs like the rune blade over dps weapons like Exquisite 2h

58 warrior checking in. I have Infestation and WESS for aggro proc weapons. I only use both if I absolutely need to hold aggro on a raid or something like that and if my personal DPS doesn't need to be maxed and if I'm using a defensive discipline I'd say that's the case. In most group set ups I use Infestation and and either Dagas or Jagged Blade of Mourning in offhand depending on group comp and stuff like that. I get and hold aggro just fine.Keep in mind I have cloak of flames for haste.

You don't need to generate as much aggro as possible every fight, you just gotta stay ahead of your group.

Edit-Forgot to mention, I love pulling out my Runed Blade if the group comp is right. Rune procs don't generate a ton of aggro but it is enough in some cases and will help your healer out. Works great in no cleric groups.

[aaezil]

if you have a better haste item and better quality weapon than the rest of your group then you will hold aggro just fine without any proc.

If the rest of the group is higher level/better haste/better ratio weapon then you will not hold aggro well without procs unless people manage aggro like they are supposed to (evade/fd)

You can lvl to 60 as tank with the worst 2h weapon ever equipped as long as someone keeps the target mob rooted and you stand the closest to it

[Troxx]

If you are a warrior relying on white aggro for threat, you are either a raid geared alt or so insanely twinked for your respective gear level that you could hold aggro with a blind fold on (ie NTOV weapons + 41% haste from 50+) that it doesn't matter. If you fit into this category of gear (for your level) - go for it! There are 2h weapons out there that might fit this bill, but for those who can obtain those weapons, this discussion is a moot point. You are 1000% overgeared for your content and your threat competitors.

Warrior threat for us mere mortals lives or dies with procs. Infestation, frostbringer, WESS, and lesser proc weapons. White damage just simply is not enough. You need procs ... but you need threat proc weapons that also have reasonable white damage baseline aggro.

Comparing the *best* white damage weapons in game to mid to mid-high tier tradable proc weapons?

Cheap tradable weapons (less than 9k for the set of WESS/FB) will yield vastly superior aggro to the highest ratio weapons available to warriors, even if the proc warrior has bad haste (24%) and the raid warrior or twink has better (41%).

2h is viable, but not ideal by any stretch.

[Jimjam]

Hate to break it to you Troxx, but a warrior with a 36% haste with out aggro everyone in a group using 21% without any proc weapons. The same goes for a 41% haste vs 36% haste group members. The problem is really good haste items aren't readily available. It is inaccurate to say warriors "need" procs. You just need better gear than the guys you are playing with.

Aye, can be mitigated by choosing your haste buff wisely though. If you have shit haste you absolutely have to be buddy buddy with as many group friendly enchanter as you can.

[Shinko]

Roll a non ogre sit in crip mode smash face wishing you were a ogre

Gg

[Troxx]

Hate to break it to you Troxx, but a warrior with a 36% haste with out aggro everyone in a group using 21% without any proc weapons. The same goes for a 41% haste vs 36% haste group members. The problem is really good haste items aren't readily available. It is inaccurate to say warriors "need" procs. You just need better gear than the guys you are playing with.

You’re not breaking anything to me.

It’s a lot more complicated than just “he who has the highest haste holds the aggro”. Both at the group and the raid level other melee classes have better ratio weapons (hi there monk weapons) and aggro magnet special abilities (hi there backstab). Really good haste doesn’t level that playing field as you have to assume your group mates also have really good haste.

White damage is the backbone on which out aggro is generated but our white damage threat potential is outpaced by comparably geared monks and rogues and easily outpaced by casting and support classes with early intervention casts (tash/slow/etc). What allows is to establish and maintain a lead are our procs. This is not rocket science. It has been well established for literally 19 years (both live and here).

My 60 warrior has a pathetic 24% haste (soon to be 34%). I have no problems holding aggro off NToV rogues and monks not because I have really good haste (I don’t) or NToV weapons (I don’t) but because my primary hand 9/18 weapon has a 3 poison counter proc and my offhand has either a Turgurs level aggro proc or a ridiculous 4 poison counter + debuff + blind proc depending on what I’m using.

[enjchanter]

Should propose a new question

Why am I getting so much aggro as a monk / rogue and how can I fix dis

[Sonderbeast]

Roll a non ogre sit in crip mode smash face wishing you were a ogre

Gg

I have never wished I was an ogre. Ever.

[Raev]

When I play Sakuragi I'm not really that concerned with the Monks and Rogues. It's their job to FD/evade once or twice per fight, especially if they have better weapons than I do. Even Rangers can use Jolt here and there.

The problem is the Shamans and especially the Enchanters. Both have high threat spells that need to be in as soon as possible and no way to drop threat. It's going to take about 30 seconds to build up enough threat for tash + slow with pure white damage even if you have NTOV weapons. Sakuragi's old school Epic/Shissar combo can cut that to 20 seconds. And yes, there is some randomness, but you have an 80% chance to proc in 30 seconds with max dex, so you're winning most of the time.

Of course the real solution is a Bioluminescent Orb.

[Jimjam]

Stand next to the shaman so mob doesn't zip around when they take aggro.

Also, has the fennin ro breastplate click been nerfed? It used to be HUGE aggro.

[Troxx]

The point I'm trying to make is there is more than one viable approach you can take and it is inaccurate to say warriors need proc weapons. If a warrior has a higher haste than the rogue and monk that warrior will not need procs to hold aggro.

And if the monk has an AC/SoS at medium high levels? Warrior ratios are far inferior to this. In the 50s level range how many rogues have epic (41% haste + massive backstabs)? This entire line of logic is asinine. Our weapon ratios are inferior. Our white damage is, unfortunately, not enough whether raid or group level of gear. On raids you have the benefit of mallet clicks. I raid main tanked the warrior class on live for a decade. I now have a 60 here. Compared to live after luclin era warriors on p99 are MORE reliant on procs, not less. This is not a new concept.

Also, please consider that I've played both ways. The proc based build is definitely strongest from 50-59. Before that (1-49) the mobs die too fast for a proc to matter anyways. At 60, you can acquire enough gear to make it so you don't need procs by simply having a better haste.

You also once said bloodpoints were amazing aggro. They are not.

[Quizlop]

Haste, white damage, and positioning is the key to holding aggro.

I don't play a warrior, but how does positioning affect how much hate you generate as a tank?

[Yuuvy The Destroyer]

warriors need proc weapons.


Yes, warriors need proc weapons. This is why they exist.
After having shit agro for 2 expacs brad blessed the warrior with high agro proc weapons and it's been good ever since.

[Sonderbeast]

Stand next to the shaman so mob doesn't zip around when they take aggro.


The best Shamans and Enchanters position themselves next to the tank in melee range to avoid pulling the mob onto healers.

[Troxx]

The best shamans and enchanters don’t group with warriors.

Blasphemy!

Warriors are the bestestestestest!

[Sonderbeast]

The best shamans and enchanters don’t group with warriors.

Lol

[enjchanter]

The best shamans and enchanters don’t group



Ftfy

[Jimjam]

Ftfy

The best sexers do it solo too, roight?

[ducktv]

Naethyn is retarded. Who even made this thread? Your playing on blue it doesnt mattrr at all. Just use what ever you think looks coolest.

[Sonderbeast]

Naethyn is retarded. Who even made this thread? Your playing on blue it doesnt mattrr at all. Just use what ever you think looks coolest.

Take your rants and FLAMES to rants and FLAMES . Stop cluttering up very important and intellectual discussion. I for one know Naeythin has a feeling or two just like you and is very smart person.

High 5

Edit: see u there fren.

[Qtip]

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Wolfbaite (barbarian warrior)

Holy shit that is depressing. Do you pee sitting down?