Vegans are weak

[Spyder73]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/woman-who-died-climbing-everest-wanted-to-prove-vegans-are-not-weak-a7043431.html

JK love you Barkingturtle

[Spyder73]

its been a few years, I think the statue of limitations are off now

[skarlorn]

When we go to war with China it will be the meat eaters and glue sniffers that defeat the Mongol Hordes.

[Patriam1066]

When we go to war with China it will be the meat eaters and glue sniffers that defeat the Mongol Hordes.

Agree but vegans are actually ok if they don't talk about it. I've never met an obese vegan

[AzzarTheGod]

Agree but vegans are actually ok if they don't talk about it. I've never met an obese vegan

I just need to see a scientific study on longevity and I'd consider it more seriously.

If we have meat-eating whisky guzzlers like Kirk Douglas living to 100+, what does Vegan really have to offer health wise? seems health is more about genetic dice rolling and avoiding pesticide and additives and eating free range from good non-poisoned land only aka Argentina n moving out of the industrial dump.

[Jauna]

Since beer is fermented herbs and flowers, is beer vegan?

[Spyder73]

Since beer is fermented herbs and flowers, is beer vegan?

As long as it doesn't come from a Chicken or Cow I think you are in the clear

[AzzarTheGod]

Since beer is fermented herbs and flowers, is beer vegan?

many are not. https://www.thespruce.com/vegan-friendly-beer-353151

[Ahldagor]

Since beer is fermented herbs and flowers, is beer vegan?

Yeast are a creature, so if there's any residual yeast then no. A hefeweizen wouldn't qualify. Hazy New England IPA style doesn't qualify. Their best bet would be lagers filtered and lagered well and not ales. But if they're strict as fuck about being vegan then no beer would qualify since beer is a creature's product. Also, it's the extracted sugar from malted barley tbat the yeast ferment. The hops (flowers) are for flavoring, bittering, and preservation.

[Sonderbeast]

Since beer is fermented herbs and flowers, is beer vegan?

Yes. Yeast may as well be another vegetable, it makes no difference. Just don't exploit those cute dairy cows ma dudes.

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/cZyDPkO.jpg

[Raavak]

When we go to war with China it will be the meat eaters and glue sniffers that defeat the Mongol Hordes.Each of my legs is the size of the average Chinese male. Thing is there's like 600 million Chinese males.

[JurisDictum]

Explain to me how you are going to get 120-200 grams of protein a day in, without resorting to a bunch of processed crap? All vegans are either completely loaded with processed crap or protein deficient in their diet.

This is why they all look flabby and grey past the age of 25 or so. It's not healthy...and unless you think we can make processed proteins better than they are found in nature -- you'll have to admit we are a very long way off from making it healthy.

Eat your chicken breast, turkey and cod like everyone else. And no, drinking milk is not the same as raping a cow. Fuckin coping moralistic attitude...serves them right.

[JurisDictum]

https://i.imgur.com/cZyDPkO.jpg

Both are just coasting on their youthful looks...although the massive gas problems associated with a bunch of processed veggie protein is unsexy.

By 30, they will have greyish flabby chests and stomachs just like the rest of the unwashed masses.

Veganism is fucked up, unamerican, and might be abusive to children.

[Skydash]

https://www.richroll.com/blog/slaying-the-protein-myth/

http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/five-protein-myths

https://www.vivahealth.org.uk/resources/protein-myth-fact-sheet

https://youtu.be/2m4p8s7xskQ

TLDR: Plants have all the protein you need. Try to catch up with the times.

[JurisDictum]

https://www.richroll.com/blog/slaying-the-protein-myth/

http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/five-protein-myths

https://www.vivahealth.org.uk/resources/protein-myth-fact-sheet

https://youtu.be/2m4p8s7xskQ

TLDR: Plants have all the protein you need. Try to catch up with the times.


Broccoli: 5 grams per cup
Spinach: 5 grams per cup
Rye Grains: 5 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Rolled Oats: 7 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Millet: 5 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Amaranth: 6 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Freekah: 5 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Teff: 7 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Buckwheat: 7 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Almond Butter: 7 Grams per 2 tablespoons
Spirulina: 4 grams per teaspoon (!!)
Chlorella: 2 grams per teaspoon
Chia seeds: 10 grams per 2 tablespoons
Flax Seeds: 5 grams per 2 tablespoons
Cacao Powder: 5 grams per 2 tablespoons
Maca: 3 grams per tablespoon
Acai: 5 grams per 3 ounce frozen puree
Kale: 5 grams per cup
Lentils- 18 grams per cup
Black Beans- 13 grams per cup
Chickpeas- 13 grams per cup
Tofu: 10 grams per 3 ounces
Tempeh: 10 grams per 2 ounces
Endamame (Soybeans) – 16 grams per cup
Romaine Lettuce: 3 grams per cup
Sunflower Seeds: 10 grams per 1/4 cup
Almonds: 7 grams per 1/4 cup
Pumpkin Seeds: 10 grams per 1/4 cup
Coconut Flour: 3.5 grams per 2 tablespoons
Quinoa: 7 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
Plant-Based Protein Powders (hemp, pea, brown rice, cranberry bean, soy, etc.) : 17-25 grams per scoop (depending on the brand)
Green Peas: 8 grams per cup

what do you notice about this list? What I noticed is that you would have be eating a shitload of food loaded with carbs to hit 200g of protein a day. The only alternatives are processed food like Tofu, Tempeh and protein powders.

Maybe if you eat beans EVERY meal.....sounds like a bad idea to me. Nuts are fair....but loaded with fat and calories.

Also, not all those plant proteins are complete mind you. And most people with good fitness results are using animal proteins far more....we can't prove meat tends to give better micronutrients...but that's what the real-life visible evidence shows.

Same with all this crap about health benefits of Veganism....only if you eat like shit and never exercise is Vegan likely to be more healthy than a diet with animal protein.

[bluntfang]

you would have be eating a shitload of food loaded with carbs...Nuts are fair....but loaded with fat and calories.

Oh gosh are you telling me i have to have things other than protein in my diet?! The horror! Talk about suffering! Resorting to eating CARBS and FATS like a fucking PLEAB. And calories? I've been calorie free in the vegan diet for years.

[JurisDictum]

Oh gosh are you telling me i have to have things other than protein in my diet?! The horror! Talk about suffering! Resorting to eating CARBS and FATS like a fucking PLEAB. And calories? I've been calorie free in the vegan diet for years.

Nutrition Facts
Mixed nuts, oil roasted, with salt added
Amount Per 1 cup (134 g)
Calories 813
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 72 g 110%
Saturated fat 12 g 60%
Polyunsaturated fat 20 g
Monounsaturated fat 38 g
Trans fat 0.1 g
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Sodium 366 mg 15%
Potassium 847 mg 24%
Total Carbohydrate 28 g 9%
Dietary fiber 9 g 36%
Sugar 6 g
Protein 27 g 54%
Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 1%
Calcium 15% Iron 19%
Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 25%
Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 76%

that's over 800 calories without even getting 30 grams....so 4 meals a day would be like 3200 calories at that rate to get sub 120....

That's nuts

Beans are a little better:

Nutrition Facts
Black turtle beans
Amount Per 1 cup (184 g)
Calories 624
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 1.7 g 2%
Saturated fat 0.4 g 2%
Polyunsaturated fat 0.7 g
Monounsaturated fat 0.1 g
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Sodium 17 mg 0%
Potassium 2,760 mg 78%
Total Carbohydrate 116 g 38%
Dietary fiber 29 g 116%
Sugar 3.9 g
Protein 39 g 78%
Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 29% Iron 88%
Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 25%
Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 73%

but like I said....black beans (the highest protien bean) every meal?

Your know like every fucking vegan alive you eat too much of that tofu and tempah shit, or you dont get near 1g of protein per pound.

Just saying, beans and nuts are like over 1400 of your daily calories for a cup of each...and that's only like half of your protein as a 120 pound fuckboy. If your a real man, that's not even gonna be 1/3. to burn 3000 calories a day...were talking an athletic lifestyle of a younger person (not necessarily 20s but probably 30s generally*). And your diet is def headed toward a 3000 calorie a day kind of deal - even with the processed stuff.

Lets take a look at 4oz of Pacific Cod

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 4 oz

Amount Per Serving
Calories from Fat 6
Calories 93

% Daily Values*
Total Fat 0.71g 1%
Saturated Fat 0.092g 0%
Polyunsaturated Fat 0.277g
Monounsaturated Fat 0.093g
Cholesterol 42mg 14%
Sodium 80mg 3%
Potassium 457mg
Total Carbohydrate 0g 0%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 0g
Protein 20.29g

Vitamin A 1% Vitamin C 6%
Calcium 1% Iron 2%

fuck it, eat 8oz am i right? less than 200 calories to get more protein than a cup of black beans at 650.

Oh and milk/whey protein powders absorb into your system nice and fast after lifting -- helps with muscle growth in a way that plant protein cant.

Edit: *It's getting much more common for older people to maintain highly active lifestyles

[Skydash]

You didn't look at a single link did you...

Average protein needed in a day is 42 grams... you are over eating protein.

The "complete protein" myth has been debunked a while ago also.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-protein-combining-myth/

Try and keep up with modern times!

[Irulan]

Yeast are a creature, so if there's any residual yeast then no. A hefeweizen wouldn't qualify. Hazy New England IPA style doesn't qualify. Their best bet would be lagers filtered and lagered well and not ales. But if they're strict as fuck about being vegan then no beer would qualify since beer is a creature's product. Also, it's the extracted sugar from malted barley tbat the yeast ferment. The hops (flowers) are for flavoring, bittering, and preservation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isinglass

Alcohol is made with fish parts.

[skarlorn]

imagine a life perspective so utterly vain and limited that you think eating as a vegan somehow makes you, and the world around you, moralistically 'better' before you are turned into dirt and eaten by grass, eaten by cows, then drank ina glass of milk by the next generation

get some fucking perspective holy heck

[JurisDictum]

Y

Average protein needed in a day is 42 grams... you are over eating protein.


if you weigh 120 pounds and your guess is the most conservative number of needed protein....and if your young and your protein absorption is really high...and you are not trying to gain muscle.

Your macros will still be mostly carbs to an unhealthy level (over 50%) most likely.

Most guys need like 82 at least in here. And if your trying to lose weight (which a 180 pound guy probably wouldn't be), its gonna be rough going vegan.

if your like 300 lbs and want to get in shape...i really wouldn't do the vegan shit.

I guess if your on steroids it could work - lol...the irony

if your a 200lbs guy that wants to gain muscle...your now supposed to eat 109 grams or maybe more.

[Patriam1066]

Carbs are bad

Hope this helps! In defense of vegans, factory farming is actually quite cruel

[Spyder73]

I feel like a lot of gays are vegan also. Is there any truth to this or am I being a bigot?

[Irulan]

i prefer halal

carbs are fine, its the vegtable oil and fat from grain fed thats bad.

carbs and grass fed free range is the way to go.

animal fat from animals treated with respect is good for u and makes good bread

[Irulan]

if you weigh 120 pounds and your guess is the most conservative number of needed protein....and if your young and your protein absorption is really high...and you are not trying to gain muscle.

Your macros will still be mostly carbs to an unhealthy level (over 50%) most likely.

Most guys need like 82 at least in here. And if your trying to lose weight (which a 180 pound guy probably wouldn't be), its gonna be rough going vegan.

if your like 300 lbs and want to get in shape...i really wouldn't do the vegan shit.

I guess if your on steroids it could work - lol...the irony

if your a 200lbs guy that wants to gain muscle...your now supposed to eat 109 grams or maybe more.

True enough (BUTT), butt.. intermittent fasting-fasting in general + periods of bulking exercise and re-feeding carbs is where it's at anyway.

No matter what I do, because I'm lazy. My macros are like food pyramid. Because basically that's what people eat. The best protein shake I can find and be lazy at unless I make my own, is like 25g protein and 17g carbs. If going to be real, hunting and fishing for our own food is the only way 2 go and not be a fat fuk unless we do artificial things with our diet to simulate a natural lifestyle. Which is fine, artifice is fine, don't bash the fake stuff, tofu is great, at what tofu does.

Vegan people are dumb though in general, and they'd do better to raise their own animals than support a basically fraudulent ideology. Unless they are like yoga vegan and like living off the land and charity freegan. Like bhuddists for spiritual reasons. Once you move away from nomadic subsistence all the rules are out of the book. Some religious dude said once you put your hand on the plow never look back anyway. A carb heavy diet prob does burn and oxidize ppl out faster than a generally calorie restricted any other kind of diet. Don't forget agriculture spurred the greatest social revolution and created western civilization out of the levant anyway.

If were going to eat fast food from a mass producer like at McDonalds, nothing is going to save U. So maybe vegans only escape that for a minute. If we can't or won't invest in better sourced nutrients there is no point. Might as well enjoy sugarfied rat poison. Also, people are really missing out when they don't eat the whole animal. If people had to survive in the dirt, they'd like eat the brains and kidneys and livers, and prob boil the intestines into a soup broth. The incredible amount of luxury and food wealth it takes to reach 300lb is pretty amazing. And it's a huge huge percentage of our awesomely epic and elite civilization.

[Skydash]

I feel like a lot of gays are vegan also. Is there any truth to this or am I being a bigot?

http://strongerfastervegan.com/vegans-are-unmanly/

Also;

Try hemp seeds for protein and healthy fats!

https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3614

[JurisDictum]

Skydash once again proves there are vegans on the internet.

Kind of funny how 99.9999% of athletes aren't Vegan. The rest are marathon runners.

[Skydash]

Kind of funny how 99.9999% of athletes aren't Vegan. The rest are marathon runners.

Funny, some of the best athletes have turned vegan.
http://www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10#venus-williams-tennis-player-1

Including a boxer, body builder, weightlifter, MMA fighters.

NFL players are switching: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/why-nfl-players-and-other-athletes-are-going-vegan.html

Of course, the President of the American College of Cardiology recommends a vegan diet: http://www.mdmag.com/conference-coverage/acc-2016/vegan-diet-its-powerful-medicine-kim-williams-says-in-qa

... try to catch up please!

[AzzarTheGod]

there are some scientific merits to vegan as far as calorie-restriction and calorie-restricted diets extending lifespan but many people in california say vegans appear to be some of the most unhealthy people ever

[Irulan]

there are some scientific merits to vegan as far as calorie-restriction and calorie-restricted diets extending lifespan but many people in california say vegans appear to be some of the most unhealthy people ever

I've only met unhealthy vegans.

On the upside these are vegan!

https://i.imgur.com/Qv1kdts.png

Make America Vegan Again!

[maskedmelon]

veganism is a betrayal of humanity in service of the ego.

hope this helps!

[Sonderbeast]

The point of being vegan isn't about health its about ethics. But you can still be healthy while being vegan you just have to be intelligent about what you eat, just like any other kind of diet.

And yeah 200 grams of protein a day is for body builders, not normal people who just need between 40 and 50 a day. Very easy.