Project 2002 Plug

[citizen1080]

Howdy!

So, I jumped on the TAKP bandwagon back when they first launch years ago, had some fun but a rocky launch and issues caused me to come back to P99. I decided to give it another shot a few months ago and very glad I did. Apparently there was some sort of drama and a split and now there are two Al'kabor servers, but the one I ended up playing is P2002 - http://p2002.com/.

The Good:

The Community-

Fantastic community. Everyone (and I mean that pretty much 100%) is helpful on the server. There are huge giveaways for newer players every few days that the entire server donates items to. I have yet to run into a single toxic person and have invested a lot of time into this server in the last few months.

Worldwide OOC/Auc but no trolls? That alone should show you how great this community is.

Leveling Curve -

20% XP bonus across the board

Rotating XP hot zones which means 150% bonus in ~6 zones at a time with lessor bonuses in many other zones. Means you can go to out of way zones and still min/max your xp depending on line up that month.

Monthly Bonus XP weekends

Content -

Luclin now and PoP in a few months (for many this is a downside, and for a long time I was one of those, but I have seen enough of velious and kunark for a lifetime. Luclin and all the quality of life changes are very welcome.) And I really enjoyed SSRA and POP raiding.

Boxing -

This is a hot topic for many, but there are plenty of people who play a single toon, and with a 3 box limit means there are almost always room for singles or duos to join, and most people will drop a char from their team to let you in to get xp. Even with Plane of Knowledge most people don't have a porter in their team so there is still a place for a Dial a port presence.

Raiding -

Their take on raiding is not for everyone. High end content is instanced, with world bosses on rotation. The bad part of this is that there really is no racing or competition other than some open world mobs like kunark dragons etc. The good part is no guild is cockblocked from content like on p99. You want to raid sleepers and get primals? Do it. I got a gnome mask and a primal spear just last night. You will never get that chance on P99.


The Bad:

Polish-

The server polish is no where near as high as P99. Pathing is a known issue they are working on and in some zones it is truely broken, DN being the worst I have seen. However, the Devs are active and in ooc almost daily and are happy to talk to you about bugs and issues and actively work to fix them. Server is 3 years old vs 10 years of p99 so don't expect that level of detail and polish to be in place.

Some things are very different there, not sure if its due to luclin content and changes with that expansion or if they are just not as accurate about their zones and mobs etc but you will notice differences from p99.

Population-

This is a bit of a two edged sword but I feel the server needs another ~200 players to be in the perfect spot. Right now there are people in most zones, and you can always find groups in hot zones, but to have a healthy economy and grouping experience the server could use a influx of players. The upside of the lower pop combined with boxing is I farmed pretty much all of my gear. Camps are rarely contested so you or you and a buddy can farm pretty much any drop you are after for your characters. I visited zones and killed shit I haven't given a shit about in years, and loved it. There are 4 high end guilds raiding end game content and room for as many more as would want to do it with how raiding is handled here. It really makes for a low key enjoyable experience, no poopsocking here (other than maybe emp keys.)

TL;DR

Come play on p2002, they have a all-in-one installer that makes setup a 1 click affair. They have a healthy and helpful population. They have a great end game scene with none of the toxic bullshit that pervades the p99 scene. They have content none of us have seen in 16 years and Kunark and Velious are getting pretty stale. They have a faster leveling curve, It took me less than 2 months to level a trio to 60 and start raiding.

Let me know if you have any questions!

[Tupakk]

So if I decided to bring DaP to p2002 what would you say if any would be interested in it. 2 months anyone could have a porter to 60. It just seem like I could make it work.

Boxing is totally a turn off.

Pathing I could care less it’s easily managed.

My main reason not to go 2002 is the population and the lack for my guild. The fact that there is no competition is also disheartening. Toxic or not here the competition is great. There is no better feeling that racing someone for a mob and winning it or watching someone else get FTE and screaming Fuck You and Gratz in the same line. Furthermore the trash talking is beyond fun. There is no better fun than poopsocking and trashing on someone else to pass the time. Toxic or not it’s fun.

Don’t get me wrong I would love to progress to luclin and pop but I would want to do it with my p99 toons. If they would ever do a character mirror I might might consider it.

I do like the shout out and all but I just don’t think it’s something that would ever happen.

[Wonkie]

its garbage

[loramin]

Boxing is totally a turn off.

This. I really hope that someday the server's population grows, and in response they decide to disallow boxing, because I would really like to see Luclin and PoP again sometime ... just not on a boxed server.

[citizen1080]

This. I really hope that someday the server's population grows, and in response they decide to disallow boxing, because I would really like to see Luclin and PoP again sometime ... just not on a boxed server.

elaborate on this. why the hate for it? lot's of people did it on live

[Tecmos Deception]

I really tried to get into it, even the boxing and instanced raiding. It's not like I wouldn't like to see all the raids I've never seen; I'm not attached to the racing/competition. It's not like I don't multibox the hell out of other MMOs; I have fun doing it. But with EQ, the meta is just so different when nobody picks A class and instead picks 2 or 3 classes... when the road to 60 or the gear you want is shortened...

P99, for all it's issues with the slow timeline, with previous bugs/exploits/mechanics affecting the way things are today, with the raiding scene being what it is, etc? When I log in and play a single character solo or in groups, hoping to get the camp I want but often not getting it, needing to work long and hard for new gear and sometimes still not getting it? That's exactly what classic EQ was back in the day for me.

For me, personally, playing p2002 would be like playing a totally different game. And if I wanted a totally different game, it wouldn't be an emulated one from 2001... haha :)

[citizen1080]

I really tried to get into it, even the boxing and instanced raiding. It's not like I wouldn't like to see all the raids I've never seen; I'm not attached to the racing/competition. It's not like I don't multibox the hell out of other MMOs; I have fun doing it. But with EQ, the meta is just so different when nobody picks A class and instead picks 2 or 3 classes... when the road to 60 or the gear you want is shortened...

P99, for all it's issues with the slow timeline, with previous bugs/exploits/mechanics affecting the way things are today, with the raiding scene being what it is, etc? When I log in and play a single character solo or in groups, hoping to get the camp I want but often not getting it, needing to work long and hard for new gear and sometimes still not getting it? That's exactly what classic EQ was back in the day for me.

For me, personally, playing p2002 would be like playing a totally different game. And if I wanted a totally different game, it wouldn't be an emulated one from 2001... haha :)

Glutton for punishment, I can respect that haha. And yea i can see your point. Mostly just passing time till pantheon ruins my marriage or flops...so enjoying 2002 quite a bit personally in the mean time.

[Tecmos Deception]

elaborate on this. why the hate for it? lot's of people did it on live

I elaborated a bit already. But yeah. I think it boils down to:

1. No, "lots" of people did not box back in the day. Especially before POP, like 1 in 10 people boxed, and when they did, it was most likely only 1 extra account.

2. We play emulated, early-era EQ because we loved it and we want it again.

3. When boxing wasn't part of the oldschool EQ experience for the vast majority of people, most people aren't going to want to play where triple boxing is fully permitted (and likely even strongly encouraged due to low population).

[Tecmos Deception]

I tried to convince myself to play. Even just now I was trying to think of 3 classes that I would enjoy playing together so that I could do my usual solo type thing over there to see more of Velious and give SOL/POP an old college try. But meh :)

[citizen1080]

Mage/Chanter/Cleric very powerful for farming and raid. Pal/Rog/Sham is insane dungeon farmer. Necro+ sham + anything...so many combos

There is a Pal/Rog/Sham that's been trioing VS lately, guy lives in the new CT

[Pope Hat]

Boxing is wonderful. Three boxing is one of the best EQ experiences I've ever had. My advice is to do it literally anywhere other than P2002. What a horrible server.

Database GM changes database items to make it easier for some and then changes it again to make it harder for others once they reach that content.

Two major GM/Dev left due to this database GM.

60% of the server left due to this GM. He is why they suffer population problems now.

Think you waste time on P99? Try playing on a server in which drop percentages are 40% for some, then once you get there it is decreased to 4%.

Pathetic.

[Tupakk]

There has always been a population problem. If it’s not 500+ personally it’s not worth it.

[Tecmos Deception]

Tried again to convince myself that I'd like triple boxing content over there. Started reading sticky threads. Saw a thread about gm events giving tokens that let people buy any race illusion masks. Threw up in my mouth.

Never again.

[Swish2]

Howdy!

So, I jumped on the TAKP bandwagon back when they first launch years ago, had some fun but a rocky launch and issues caused me to come back to P99. I decided to give it another shot a few months ago and very glad I did. Apparently there was some sort of drama and a split and now there are two Al'kabor servers, but the one I ended up playing is P2002 - http://p2002.com/.

The Good:

The Community-

Fantastic community. Everyone (and I mean that pretty much 100%) is helpful on the server. There are huge giveaways for newer players every few days that the entire server donates items to. I have yet to run into a single toxic person and have invested a lot of time into this server in the last few months.

Worldwide OOC/Auc but no trolls? That alone should show you how great this community is.

Leveling Curve -

20% XP bonus across the board

Rotating XP hot zones which means 150% bonus in ~6 zones at a time with lessor bonuses in many other zones. Means you can go to out of way zones and still min/max your xp depending on line up that month.

Monthly Bonus XP weekends

Content -

Luclin now and PoP in a few months (for many this is a downside, and for a long time I was one of those, but I have seen enough of velious and kunark for a lifetime. Luclin and all the quality of life changes are very welcome.) And I really enjoyed SSRA and POP raiding.

Boxing -

This is a hot topic for many, but there are plenty of people who play a single toon, and with a 3 box limit means there are almost always room for singles or duos to join, and most people will drop a char from their team to let you in to get xp. Even with Plane of Knowledge most people don't have a porter in their team so there is still a place for a Dial a port presence.

Raiding -

Their take on raiding is not for everyone. High end content is instanced, with world bosses on rotation. The bad part of this is that there really is no racing or competition other than some open world mobs like kunark dragons etc. The good part is no guild is cockblocked from content like on p99. You want to raid sleepers and get primals? Do it. I got a gnome mask and a primal spear just last night. You will never get that chance on P99.


The Bad:

Polish-

The server polish is no where near as high as P99. Pathing is a known issue they are working on and in some zones it is truely broken, DN being the worst I have seen. However, the Devs are active and in ooc almost daily and are happy to talk to you about bugs and issues and actively work to fix them. Server is 3 years old vs 10 years of p99 so don't expect that level of detail and polish to be in place.

Some things are very different there, not sure if its due to luclin content and changes with that expansion or if they are just not as accurate about their zones and mobs etc but you will notice differences from p99.

Population-

This is a bit of a two edged sword but I feel the server needs another ~200 players to be in the perfect spot. Right now there are people in most zones, and you can always find groups in hot zones, but to have a healthy economy and grouping experience the server could use a influx of players. The upside of the lower pop combined with boxing is I farmed pretty much all of my gear. Camps are rarely contested so you or you and a buddy can farm pretty much any drop you are after for your characters. I visited zones and killed shit I haven't given a shit about in years, and loved it. There are 4 high end guilds raiding end game content and room for as many more as would want to do it with how raiding is handled here. It really makes for a low key enjoyable experience, no poopsocking here (other than maybe emp keys.)

TL;DR

Come play on p2002, they have a all-in-one installer that makes setup a 1 click affair. They have a healthy and helpful population. They have a great end game scene with none of the toxic bullshit that pervades the p99 scene. They have content none of us have seen in 16 years and Kunark and Velious are getting pretty stale. They have a faster leveling curve, It took me less than 2 months to level a trio to 60 and start raiding.

Let me know if you have any questions!

XP isn't classic, boxing doesn't promote community integration, also the 3-box limit isn't policed so there's no hard ban for 4-boxing (shit, they NEED players, they cant ban people), also I think the staff took a liking to a salty vegetable vendor - that alone says a lot about the integrity of the server.

Plus OOC is probably quiet due to low pop or the few players boxing focusing on combat etc.

Nice pitch but...

https://i.imgur.com/lnozNoK.gif

[Swish2]

Tried again to convince myself that I'd like triple boxing content over there. Started reading sticky threads. Saw a thread about gm events giving tokens that let people buy any race illusion masks. Threw up in my mouth.

Never again.

https://i.imgur.com/1gBWIug.gif

[Whirled]

Our house had 2 accounts on separate phone line / dial-up modems, back in Kunark/Velious time frame and we knew other people that also did that. I'd wager that it wasn't uncommon.

[loramin]

Our house had 2 accounts on separate phone line / dial-up modems, back in Kunark/Velious time frame and we knew other people that also did that. I'd wager that it wasn't uncommon.

You really think it was common for people in 1999 to pay for:

2x PCs (a good enough one to run EQ was at least $1000 back then) +
2 x $50 (EQ installations) +
2x $19.99/month (dial-up connections) +
2x $14.99/month EQ subscriptions (or was it $19.99? I forget, it's been awhile)

... a minimum of $2100 + $70 a month ... back when the standard price of a game was one $50 payment and no monthly fees?

I'm not saying it didn't happen: I've often related how friends of mine would box (in 1999-2001) using each other's accounts (only one person I knew owned two accounts, and he was ... particularly well off) and a computer gaming cybercafe that had both a T1 line and top-of-the-line computers ... but we were far from the norm. If you played back then and actually talked to people in-game you'd know that boxing was definitely uncommon in the classic era.

P.S. Of course other servers aren't "classic-only", but the point is still relevant because even if you want to play Luclin or PoP, your perception of "how EQ should be" was shaped during the classic era. Plus, although it was definitely a lot more common by then, even in PoP boxing still wasn't exactly common.

[Shrubwise]

You really think it was common for people in 1999 to pay for:

2x PCs (a good enough one to run EQ was at least $1000 back then) +
2 x $50 (EQ installations) +
2x $19.99/month (dial-up connections) +
2x $14.99/month EQ subscriptions (or was it $19.99? I forget, it's been awhile)

... a minimum of $2100 + $70 a month ... back when the standard price of a game was one $50 payment and no monthly fees?

I'm not saying it didn't happen: I've often related how friends of mine would box (in 1999-2001) using each other's accounts (only one person I knew owned two accounts, and he was ... particularly well off) and a computer gaming cybercafe that had both a T1 line and top-of-the-line computers ... but we were far from the norm. If you played back then and actually talked to people in-game you'd know that boxing was definitely uncommon in the classic era.

P.S. Of course other servers aren't "classic-only", but the point is still relevant because even if you want to play Luclin or PoP, your perception of "how EQ should be" was shaped during the classic era. Plus, although it was definitely a lot more common by then, even in PoP boxing still wasn't exactly common.

I think it is hard for most of us, now, to imagine folks paying that much to box back in 1999, because, most of us at the time were in our late childhood/early teens and didn’t have a job, or any money to speak of. Certainly not $1,500.
If you were anything like I was, take into account how addicted and in love with the game you were in 2000. Now imagine that you are an adult with expendable income. Loramin, I’m willing to wager that it was more a more common occurrence than you may think.

[Bleepo]

Boxing is wonderful. Three boxing is one of the best EQ experiences I've ever had. My advice is to do it literally anywhere other than P2002. What a horrible server.

Database GM changes database items to make it easier for some and then changes it again to make it harder for others once they reach that content.

Two major GM/Dev left due to this database GM.

60% of the server left due to this GM. He is why they suffer population problems now.

Think you waste time on P99? Try playing on a server in which drop percentages are 40% for some, then once you get there it is decreased to 4%.

Pathetic.


P2002 has not and will never suffer population problems. We have multiple flourishing raid guilds and everyone gets along fine. Nobody even remembers "Noble Heroes" anymore.

Also, I have no idea what was noble or heroic about zerging Velious content. Once you hit Luclin your zerg strats backfired and you couldn't even get to Emperor with 60+ characters. You then blamed the staff for embarrassing yourself and more than a year later you are still salty ;)

[Amyas]

I wish there was no boxing and that they would stop at lucin

[Pope Hat]

It does not need population problems to remain one of the worst emulated servers.

Fact is the database GM is the lowest life form. Changing DB values is the lowest form of cheating. Why not skip the middleman and just summon your items.

Pathetic.

[Bleepo]

Don't project your own server's issue onto our GMs. Wasn't it one of your co-founders that gave himself several million plat and started changing items he had on his warrior, which then forced you to roll back the server and close it for several days? http://forums.gatesoftime.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=493&p=1272

Your conspiracy theories are just an excuse for your absolute failure in Luclin/Ssra, and everyone on P2002 knows that. When you ran off to make your own server, it failed just as miserably as your guild did on P2002. On top of that, nobody cared that you left. In your overinflated self importance, you somehow made yourself believe that the biggest zerg guild leaving would cripple the server, but the fact is most of your people either came back or moved on to TLP because everyone saw that your own sandbox server was just a means to nerf all the content in the ground to a point where your "skilled raid core" could finally beat it.

Changing DB values is a logical step when content needs to be fixed/corrected. On your server, however you do it whenever things are too difficult. Keep spinning though, I'll get my popcorn.

[Pope Hat]

I'm not sure who you think I am. I don't care about your petty grievances with other guilds on your crap server.

Why doesn't P02 have a count of the number of people logged on anymore? Your GM said that it was an issue he was having with the counter. So two possibilities exist - either he is an idiot that cannot fix something so simple as a log on counter, or your population is so low that he is embarrassed by it. (Which I think is silly personally, as I've never found a low pop to be something to be embarrassed by) The counter disappeared right after the exodus happened. He was a sad panda that the server hit 20 people during prime time so he took it down.

I'm not talking about changing DB items because of bugs or errors, I'm talking about him changing DB things like drop % or the size of a faction hit from mobs to benefit some and to the detriment of others. He allowed some players on the server to farm KT faction incredibly quickly by making the faction hit for the dorfs in Icewell huge. They got max KT faction in a matter of minutes. This is why P02 Allaclone is no longer "open", you cannot see faction numbers and some other information anymore on it because of this GM and those that he allowed to abused it. The two GMs that left because of this individual were still around at the time and they were the ones that made the change to the clone. He did similar things with the mob that drops Remove Curse just as soon as Luclin came out, allowing some to get many copies quickly. As soon as the people that he wanted to have RC had the spell memmed (and a few copies to sell, of course!) he changed the spawn time so that others could not get the spell nearly as fast. Oh, and he threatened to ban anyone that camped the spell before he made the last change - except for his buddies, of course.

Pathetic.

[Bleepo]

Player counter has been working fine, so either you're just trolling, are plain dumb or are angry at an entirely different server. Pathetic.

Plenty of guilds were able to kill Emperor BTW. Illuminati confirmed

[Pope Hat]

Player counter has been working fine

This proves you joined the server after any of this happened. All I'm trying to do is warn people (like you) that the deck is stacked against you on P02.

[Tollen]

This proves you joined the server after any of this happened. All I'm trying to do is warn people (like you) that the deck is stacked against you on P02.

Player counter was only down for month and been working fine so get over yourself.

All that you say are 3rd/4th hand account from disgruntled players that couldn't cut it.

[Bleepo]

This proves you joined the server after any of this happened. All I'm trying to do is warn people (like you) that the deck is stacked against you on P02.

I was there when it happened in the first row with a bucket of popcorn. I was actually leveling in the Grey with some friends when <Powerslave> ran past us to kill your Emperor because you guys were unable to do so. To this day I don't really understand why they agreed to rotate Emperor with you before you were even capable of killing him.

When they saw your zerg raidforce was nowhere near ready to get to Emp in the allotted timeframe, they just casually strolled in there and took it from you. And when that happened you all threw a big temper tantrum, blamed it on the GMs, and left with your tail between your legs. I am sorry to break it to you but the P99 forums aren't the best place to get sympathy for not being able to compete for raid content ;)

You left screaming and lying in an attempt to hurt the server, which didn't work. Now you are here on the P99 forums screaming and lying to do the same. Don't deny it

[Swish2]

Sounds like a great community over on Project 2002 full of nice players.

[burkemi5]

Yeah I mean, there's no rule lawyering, trainquest, GM crying, camp stealing, incessant trolling, etc, but they manage. Honestly, play on p02 if you want a classicish 3 boxing server that will go to PoP. Don't if you don't. Three boxing makes everquest a different experience. Personally, I'd never go back to single boxing, but many, even the majority of people I imagine, would never go to a boxing EQ server. Their population is just fine and will continue to be fine without having to advertise here.

[fryguy503]

Every server has had there fair share of drama. theirs was a large guild that couldn't hack it, so they jumped ship.

Allaclone has NEVER shown Detailed stats, period. Many of the GM's voted to never have allaclone.

The Player counter was broken when the codebase was revamped and many new EQEmu features were pulled in including the Telnet upgrades, which broke the websites player integration features. Those WERE fixed and many more enhancements were added.

The server is not perfect, but it is a fun server to play on. No one forces you guys to go there. Try it, If you do not like it, go somewhere else. The Dev's do their best to be transparent, Planes of Power should be releasing soon and many more revamps to fix bugs are being worked on. Join up in discord and have a chat (Discord link is at the top of the website).

Common Misconceptions:

All of the GM/Dev play in a single guild -- Incorrect: Of the top 5 guilds, I know of Devs in 4 of them. Ding, TU, Powerslave and BoN. with a Guide in Unity iirc.

>3 Boxing is not enforced -- Incorrect: I see a least a few times a week the world shaking and (Indication that a player has been suspended/banned. Most of the time the GM's will say what the reason was for.)

Content is Changed to make things easier for XXXX Guild -- Incorrect: GM's are very vocal about how they will change content if a Bug or era accurate data is brought forth and presented. Not just, "I totally remember XXXX Raid doing this and dropping that".

XXXX Staff members left because of a Database GM -- Incorrect: Much of the Dev/GM staff comes and goes through out the year. Some devs take extended breaks so they do not burn out. It is just how they work.

[loramin]

Incorrect: Of the top 5 guilds, I know of Devs in 4 of them. Ding, TU, Powerslave and BoN. with a Guide in Unity iirc.

Wait, the fact that not one but four of the project's coders are in guilds is supposed to be a selling point? Imagine if only Nilbog (let alone him and three other P99 developers) admitted that they played in Awakened (or any other guild): the entire server would have a conniption fit.

You being proud of the fact that four of the people who define the game have giant conflicts of interest should send any sane player running away.

[fryguy503]

More like, it ensures that one guild doesn't receive any gm help. Doesn't matter how anyone spins it. those who don't like the idea of the server will find ways to discredit it.

As I said to people, try it and form an opinion for yourself.

[loramin]

More like, it ensures that one guild doesn't receive any gm help. Doesn't matter how anyone spins it. those who don't like the idea of the server will find ways to discredit it.

As I said to people, try it and form an opinion for yourself.

I LOVE the idea of an emulated server that goes to PoP. If P02 was even half the server that P99 is, I'd have left here a long time ago. In other words, I have zero personal reasons to discredit it; if anything I have a bias towards wanting it to succeed ... but the server doesn't need me to discredit it, it does a fine job all on its own.

Do you remember the furor that's happened here every time P99 has had a bad GM (eg. Derubael)? Those "bad eggs" didn't even have access to the codebase, let alone check-in privileges, but they still shook some people's faith in the server. Meanwhile players on P02 are supposed to just trust that the very people writing the code (with far more power than any P99 GM) can stay neutral even as they pick teams and play in that code? On a server with just as much history of corruption as P99, if not moreso?

Again, it's nothing personal against P02: I just think that's an absolutely terrible way to run any server.

[Tollen]

So you expect people that run the sever never play?

[loramin]

So you expect people that run the sever never play?

Yeah, or at least never let anyone know they play. For all I know Nilbog could have been in my last group ... I mean, as far as I know he never plays, but he could. That gives the server the perception of fairness, which matters even more than actual fairness.

Plus, there are plenty of other EQ Emu servers devs can play on, so it's not like they can never play EQ again. It's just that they're gods in this world, and gods shouldn't need to slum it with the mortals ... or if they do, they should do it in a different form so the mortals don't think the gods are playing favorites.

[Secrets]

So you expect people that run the sever never play?

It's one thing to be playing on the server you are working on. It's another to be part of the only powerguild on the server in a position to advantage the guild, and then actively participate in undermining other guilds.

That being said, let them have their playground. I'm sure some people enjoy playing the game like that or being the underdog guild on that kind of server, but it's not for me.

[Llandris]

So you expect people that run the sever never play?

Why yes, yes we do

[Llandris]

Thanks for the update Swish

Aren't you supposed to be banned

[khanable]

isn't p02 the shady one where gm's stole all the initial code or some shit?

and devs playing with guilds?

hard pass on this one

[Bleepo]

Against all odds p2002 prevails and keeps exceeding expectations. Slander won't kill us, neither will the same 5 people repeating that they won't play on the server, get over yourselves the world doesn't revolve around you ;)

PoP coming soon! Don't miss out

[loramin]

Against all odds p2002 prevails and keeps exceeding expectations. Slander won't kill us, neither will the same 5 people repeating that they won't play on the server, get over yourselves the world doesn't revolve around you ;)

PoP coming soon! Don't miss out

Good move: if you can't defend against the actual points people raised, you can always shoot the messenger(s).

[Tupakk]

Against all odds p2002 prevails and keeps exceeding expectations. Slander won't kill us, neither will the same 5 people repeating that they won't play on the server, get over yourselves the world doesn't revolve around you ;)

PoP coming soon! Don't miss out

Pretty sure it’s 75% of the people that play on p99 not 5 people. If you want your sever to exceed and be populated with people from here you will have to get your ducks in a row.

[Jhaerik]

Serious yall should give it a shot. There are also a lot of people that Solo/Duo box. The community is friendly/helpful.

If you are looking for "competition" please do stay here though. Main reason I left p99 was my unwillingness to give up a social life for 3am batphones. Also the p99 camp claim lawyering was beyond anti fun. I've had exactly one instance of arguing over a camp on p2002 and it was worked out simply by talking to the guys GL and find out he was on some funky meds due to an illness.

Anywho hit up anyone in "Ding" (server leveling guild) for an invite and someone will certainly help you get started with some gear/spell money/ect.

I'm not sure what people are saying about population being too low. Peak hours is around ~150 players on ~330 accounts. Off hours dips to around 60/140. Generally leveling groups running for every level range past 20. People help with Epics and run Pug raids weekly. There are 5 major guilds Ding (Leveling), Tightanium (Euro), Unity/Brethren of Norrath (Raiding), Powerslave (no comment...) There are more than enough people to do content with 7 days a week. There is also an XP incentive to invite Single/Duo players. It's nice to simply be able to put a few friends together and complete your epics without having to pay some guy sitting with 5,000,000 pp in tunnel for the privilege to do so. Or killing Lodi for your Eyepatch of Plunder without a 3 day caffine guzzling camp. Or hell actually seeing a dragon alive for more than 10 minutes. Or mobs actually alive in the planes.

My experience with p99 was pretty much UGuk, LGuk, Seb... pay some guy for MQ's... refuse to join some guild that wanted a blood sample and my first born... get bored.. look for something else to do. I remember trying to convince a friend to play p99.. and literally couldn't come up with a single interesting story to tell about it. "Well umm you grind a lot.... so you can sit in tunnel a lot.. to buy stuff that drops from mobs that are never alive because they are perma camped... then you errm... grind some more?"

Sure p2002 ain't for everyone.. but if you understand where I'm coming from I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Hell most of the server is ex p99 players. Including one of the GM's... (cough)

[Wonkie]

how much does soros pay you to shill this?

[Secrets]

neither will the same 5 people repeating that they won't play on the server,

Neither will the same 3 'developers' on alt accounts on these forums, apparently, because with anonymous trolling it makes it look like there's more people for or against.

Or are you that conceited that you think you're smart in some way?

[Jhaerik]

I elaborated a bit already. But yeah. I think it boils down to:

1. No, "lots" of people did not box back in the day. Especially before POP, like 1 in 10 people boxed, and when they did, it was most likely only 1 extra account.

2. We play emulated, early-era EQ because we loved it and we want it again.

3. When boxing wasn't part of the oldschool EQ experience for the vast majority of people, most people aren't going to want to play where triple boxing is fully permitted (and likely even strongly encouraged due to low population).

I started boxing in '97 on the Realm Online

[Jhaerik]

I'm not sure who you think I am. I don't care about your petty grievances with other guilds on your crap server.

Why doesn't P02 have a count of the number of people logged on anymore? Your GM said that it was an issue he was having with the counter. So two possibilities exist - either he is an idiot that cannot fix something so simple as a log on counter, or your population is so low that he is embarrassed by it. (Which I think is silly personally, as I've never found a low pop to be something to be embarrassed by) The counter disappeared right after the exodus happened. He was a sad panda that the server hit 20 people during prime time so he took it down.

I'm not talking about changing DB items because of bugs or errors, I'm talking about him changing DB things like drop % or the size of a faction hit from mobs to benefit some and to the detriment of others. He allowed some players on the server to farm KT faction incredibly quickly by making the faction hit for the dorfs in Icewell huge. They got max KT faction in a matter of minutes. This is why P02 Allaclone is no longer "open", you cannot see faction numbers and some other information anymore on it because of this GM and those that he allowed to abused it. The two GMs that left because of this individual were still around at the time and they were the ones that made the change to the clone. He did similar things with the mob that drops Remove Curse just as soon as Luclin came out, allowing some to get many copies quickly. As soon as the people that he wanted to have RC had the spell memmed (and a few copies to sell, of course!) he changed the spawn time so that others could not get the spell nearly as fast. Oh, and he threatened to ban anyone that camped the spell before he made the last change - except for his buddies, of course.

Pathetic.

It's literally listed on p2002.com.

"Players Online: 295"

I don't know why people insist on corruption... or some mythical tiny population.
If you want to talk about corruption let's talk about p99 loot councils...

[Jhaerik]

It's one thing to be playing on the server you are working on. It's another to be part of the only powerguild on the server in a position to advantage the guild, and then actively participate in undermining other guilds.

That being said, let them have their playground. I'm sure some people enjoy playing the game like that or being the underdog guild on that kind of server, but it's not for me.

The server literally has the high end raid scene instanced.... there is no way to undermine anyone..

Exactly the p99 logic that turned me away.

Hell just compare the trash talk on p99 forums compared to p2002.

Simply put I'm quite happy the toxic people are here to belittle those offering people a more friendly option. It really just proves our point to the people that want something better.

[loramin]

The server literally has the high end raid scene instanced.... there is no way to undermine anyone..

Exactly the p99 logic that turned me away.

Hell just compare the trash talk on p99 forums compared to p2002.

Simply put I'm quite happy the toxic people are here to belittle those offering people a more friendly option. It really just proves our point to the people that want something better.

Seriously, you want to compare trash talk and toxic people? Your last ten-plus posts here, made over the past half a year, have been nothing but P99 bashing and P2002 promotion. Here's a small sample:

Or just reroll your own trio on p2002 and not sit there "LFG LFG LFG" 4 hours a day.

If you are looking for "competition" please do stay here though. Main reason I left p99 was my unwillingness to give up a social life for 3am batphones. Also the p99 camp claim lawyering was beyond anti fun.

Better yet don't worry about it and hop over to p2002.

Faster xp, boxing allowed, PoP inc, and the entire game isn't Warrior/Monk/Rogue/Cleric.

I'm sure someone in tunnel will sell you the help.

Along with his first born.


By your own admission you don't even play on P99, but that hasn't stopped you from coming here ... for six months.

Look, P2002 isn't for me, so I don't go to P2002 forums. Even if I did, I wouldn't go promote P99 on them. If for some reason I did, I'd only do it in their "off-topic" equivalent forum, not in the middle of other people's conversations. And even if (for some strange reason) I did, I wouldn't trash talk P2002 in their own forums.

But even if, for some truly bizarre reason, I actually did do all of that ... I certainly wouldn't keep doing it for half a year.

So please, by all means, compare away.

[aMindAmok]

Reasons to not play p2002. Boxing. Fin.

[Nagoya]

Boxing and instances killed Everquest once, it's interesting to see emulator servers reproducing exactly that a mere 20 years after o_o scary when you think about IRL wars and genocides and shit, people learn nothing from history... We all understand the pros of boxing and instances, everyone on p99 has at least once thought "hey you know what, boxing/instancing would actually solve my <current problem>!" - but the flipside to that medal is server death, and we all know that too. So no thanks please go back to your cave.

No boxing.
No instances.

PS: it's 2018, we know how to use google if we ever need to look for a new server to play on. no need to come here with your constant propaganda.

[Secrets]

The server literally has the high end raid scene instanced.... there is no way to undermine anyone..

Sure there is. For example,

There's a GM in every guild. (something you've stated.)
What happens when GM "X" summons items for their guild, and GM "Y" has a disagreement with said summoning? The server staff has to collectively sweep the incident under the rug, players from all guilds get affected, and drama happens. (as it was stated in this thread as well, by an ex-P2002 player)

Not to mention your server boasts instancing and lockouts. What are guilds going to do when their lockout is still going... play with Powerslave in contested worlds where there's a FFA, administrator-led guild where 4 GMs reside?
You're avoiding the problem by doing instancing, and the problem isn't with the game (clearly anyone will play on any emu regardless of accuracy, judging by this turd of a server), it's with the people that play on and manage the game.

Plus, the name is a blatant ripoff of Project 1999 and the gameplay is mostly TAKProject's work; you and the rest of the server staff have the gonads to think you're the better choice and think you actually did meaningful work, on top of the blatant favoritism and corruption going on within your own server?
It's funny that you have people like Trust that come into EQEmu and think they're top shit and everyone's friend because 'they can compile and run their own server' and praise the work that's being done for them by EQEmu's developers so that they can claim it as their own. They have anonymous trolls come to this thread to constantly try and troll the folks on P99 into playing on this corrupt pile of dogshit, and if you disagree with all the shills here (which are all alt accounts of the developers of P2002, undoubtedly) then you're attacked by said anonymous cowards.

Everyone should steer clear of this puddle of mud. If something's good enough, you'll find it; you won't need an advertisement for it.

Hard pass.

[Bleepo]

lols, people now comparing p2002 to "genocides n shit"

ITT: TAK Devs that are mad as hell, and are not going to take it anymore. Keep up with the slander, however keep in mind that it's not going to raise TAK player numbers. For that you would need a friendly community, and down to earth GMs and developers. I can only speak for myself but I would rather play on an inAKurate server without the likes of Haynar and Torven. To each their own ;)

[Wonkie]

woah cool avatar. where'd you get that??

[Irulan]

Bleepo scares me.

Dialing up my milatrized police dudes on my red phone.

[Nagoya]

lols, people now comparing p2002 to "genocides n shit"

This is just proving again that you twist reality to reach your goal. You're just a deceptive madboy. I didn't say that, at all. Aren't you busy playing on your dream server?

[Bleepo]

P2002 can't stop people from coming here and talking about their positive experience on the server. I don't usually post here until people start to:

a.) post false information in an attempt to discredit us
b.) slander and insult the p2002 developers

If my posts annoy you so much, just don't do those things and you're golden, and won't see me here. Don't pretend I am spamming the boards with advertisement posts. it has long been established that p2002 doesn't need to advertise anywhere, we have healthy constant influx of new people. ;)

As to the other stuff, I think the track record speaks for itself, despite:

a.) constant negative propaganda
b.) alleged inaccurate server mechanics
c.) a previous p2002 ad ban
d.) not being listed on the EQEmu login
e.) alleged corrupt staff
f.) no trader 4th box to inflate player numbers

P2002 still pulls more numbers than TAK does. The reasons are simple:

a.) great community (also the reason why people come here to post about their positive experience, despite being continually harrassed by the local trolls and some salty devs who can't deal with reality)
b.) down to earth, accessible Devs who don't get half of their enjoyment from putting people down on the forum and swinging their e-peen
c.) fair unbiased GMs that work on factual information instead of hearsay

You would be well served to follow the simple recipe I just laid out for you. The other stuff doesn't seem to work at all

[Tenderizer]

I don't always EverQuest but when I do, I choose Project1999

[Secrets]

a.) great community (also the reason why people come here to post about their positive experience, despite being continually harrassed by the local trolls and some salty devs who can't deal with reality)
b.) down to earth, accessible Devs who don't get half of their enjoyment from putting people down on the forum and swinging their e-peen
c.) fair unbiased GMs that work on factual information instead of hearsay

You would be well served to follow the simple recipe I just laid out for you.

Oh really? I guess it's time for this then post then. These are the people you are defending. They have done the polar opposite of what you are claiming, have harassed TAKP and its developers and continue to walk away without any notion that they are actually doing any wrong.

That ends now. Here's the truth behind the P2002 developers and why you should steer clear of these mentally ill individuals that run this server:

https://i.imgur.com/9aGqXRF.png
https://i.imgur.com/XuCjChM.png
https://i.imgur.com/MLZk10j.png
https://i.imgur.com/xJnPZ1J.png
https://i.imgur.com/d0aefAX.png
https://i.imgur.com/FNb6Q1w.png
https://i.imgur.com/INMeity.png
https://i.imgur.com/vBxuiRR.png
https://i.imgur.com/SLou5kG.png
https://i.imgur.com/XkAWvhW.png

[Bleepo]

I just wanna get 1 thing straight:

P1999 is definitely by far the best server if you're into classic trilogy EQ (although, if you're into the classic EQ client, playing on TAKProject on a Mac is probably as close as it gets to the real thing), with single boxing and a really solid player base. I wish there was a P99'esque server that stopped at Planes of Power, now that would be really awesome.

The issue is that once you reach raid level, it becomes very clear very fast that there is such a thing as too many players with too little raid content to go around. Makes it really hard to enjoy everything the game has to offer without devoting your life to it, and some people don't have the time or will to do that anymore. Is it such a bad thing that there are other options out there?

You could easily split the population into 2 servers and they'd still have too many people on either of them, so I am not sure why some of the people on here get so terribly defensive about their server when people come here to post about their experience with other servers.

I have played here for a while and I really enjoyed it. I even enjoyed batphoning for a while, but now I am glad I can raid casually without having to deal with the pressure, and the shenanigans of raiding on p99 with all it's rules frapsing etc. I would have quit playing EQ a while ago if it wasn't for P2002 (and TAK), thanks to them I am still enjoying the game.

[Wonkie]

secrets domming iance

this is my new ship

[Staysa01]

This is some serious internet autism, and I’ve hunted supers/titans in EVE, as well as 30 boxed on eqtitan server.

Move on with your lives, all these servers cater to certain people.

[Irulan]

Thread is reading like the world generation and historical events of a Dwarf Fortress world.dat file.

[sektolzer]

I would rather play on an inAKurate server without the likes of Haynar and Torven.

If it's one players that holds a grudge against Haynar and Torven. That would be Iance.

so Bleepo == Furst? or is it really Iance?

Seems most dev at P2002 like to go anonymous with their names.

[loramin]

P2002 can't stop people from coming here and talking about their positive experience on the server. I don't usually post here until people start to:

a.) post false information in an attempt to discredit us
b.) slander and insult the p2002 developers

If my posts annoy you so much, just don't do those things and you're golden, and won't see me here. Don't pretend I am spamming the boards with advertisement posts. it has long been established that p2002 doesn't need to advertise anywhere, we have healthy constant influx of new people. ;)

Wow ... just ... wow.

You only post when people post false information or slander P2002 huh? So when (just two months ago) you made your last post that wasn't in this thread ...

nothing new here

That was about false information or slander of P2002? Even though the comment you were referring too was about TAKP?

Or what about the "News Update" post you made before that one in the same thread ... in response to nothing. That was to combat slander and/or false info?

Or maybe the post you made before that, where you joined in on the PEQ-bashing ... that was to combat P2002 slander/fake news?

The fact that this isn't being patched immediately is just another sign for the downward spiral this server is in, and the blatant favoritism.

Or what about the several other posts that came before those, all also bashing PEQ ... those were defending P2002's honor? :rolleyes:

What you said is clearly 100% true ... if you just ignore all of your posting history.

[Wonkie]

got around to reading it - is the north korea guild management thing troo? guildleaders can see if I'm hiding on an untagged alt?

[Bleepo]

Wow ... just ... wow.

You only post when people post false information or slander P2002 huh? So when (just two months ago) you made your last post that wasn't in this thread ...



My last post before the one in this thread was actually in 2015, only recently returned to the game and enjoying myself so I wanted to give some props to the people who made it all happen.

I am neither Lance nor Furst, and I do believe they both haven't been on the P2002 staff for a while now so illuminati are definitely not confirmed on that one

[loramin]

My last post before the one in this thread was actually in 2015, only recently returned to the game and enjoying myself so I wanted to give some props to the people who made it all happen.

I am neither Lance nor Furst, and I do believe they both haven't been on the P2002 staff for a while now so illuminati are definitely not confirmed on that one

My apologies: I somehow missed that those were from 2015. Unlike the other P2002 proponent your posting history here actually backs you up, and I made a mistake by challenging it without more carefully checking the dates.

[Bleepo]

You do have a point though. My posts a couple years ago were mostly satire but they definitely didn't help inter-server relations. I just wish people didn't take this shit so seriously.

[Torven]

Meh. I told Secrets not to post that, but oh well.

I'll provide some context since I'm the one who made those images.

I made those over a year ago after I got fed up with the lies that kept coming out. I've been sharing those in private (and there are a few more) to people who wanted to know the history. I was wrong in thinking that Bleepo is Furst which I came to the erroneous conclusion using a process of elimination years ago. It's clear to me now that Bleepo is Iance. I had not fully understood how psycho he is at the time and probably crossed him off the candidate list (which was only 3 people) because he was replying to himself using the Apio account. He's posting on Bleepo now because the Apio account was banned awhile ago. So, sorry Furst, but if you keep such close company with such dishonest (and crazy) people, then you can expect people to draw some conclusions that you may not desire. I'd have edited the image first if I were going to post that myself.

Secrets has legitimate reasons to hold a grudge because p2002's forum used to host a highly offensive, very personal thread attacking Secrets that was only taken down after I shamed them into doing it. P2002's server mascot (Greengrocer) also doxed Secrets on firesofheaven which got grocer banned over there.

[Jhaerik]

Seriously, you want to compare trash talk and toxic people? Your last ten-plus posts here, made over the past half a year, have been nothing but P99 bashing and P2002 promotion. Here's a small sample:









By your own admission you don't even play on P99, but that hasn't stopped you from coming here ... for six months.

Look, P2002 isn't for me, so I don't go to P2002 forums. Even if I did, I wouldn't go promote P99 on them. If for some reason I did, I'd only do it in their "off-topic" equivalent forum, not in the middle of other people's conversations. And even if (for some strange reason) I did, I wouldn't trash talk P2002 in their own forums.

But even if, for some truly bizarre reason, I actually did do all of that ... I certainly wouldn't keep doing it for half a year.

So please, by all means, compare away.

For someone with no interest in p2002 you sure do spend a lot of time posting on a p2002 plug thread. :P

There is nothing toxic about informing people. Unless you are one of those people that think any viewpoint that differs from your own is "toxic."

[Jhaerik]

Boxing and instances killed Everquest once, it's interesting to see emulator servers reproducing exactly that a mere 20 years after o_o scary when you think about IRL wars and genocides and shit, people learn nothing from history... We all understand the pros of boxing and instances, everyone on p99 has at least once thought "hey you know what, boxing/instancing would actually solve my <current problem>!" - but the flipside to that medal is server death, and we all know that too. So no thanks please go back to your cave.

No boxing.
No instances.

PS: it's 2018, we know how to use google if we ever need to look for a new server to play on. no need to come here with your constant propaganda.

It's actually working though. I guild invite an average of 2-3 ex p99 players every week personally, of which half generally stay around. All of them list similar complaints as I had.

Simply put if you love everything about p99, I'm literally not talking to you. I'm talking to the guys that while they enjoy it.. it doesn't quite fit them.

I "like" p99. It was "close" to what I was looking for. My main complaints with live being Cashshop/Mercs/Silly math inflation.

However I was always a fan of boxing (used to 5 box elem shammies in WoW AV for example, as well as 8box a DAoC AoE group.) I also really enjoyed AA's and Luclin was my favorite xpac.

[Jhaerik]

Sure there is. For example,

There's a GM in every guild. (something you've stated.)
What happens when GM "X" summons items for their guild, and GM "Y" has a disagreement with said summoning? The server staff has to collectively sweep the incident under the rug, players from all guilds get affected, and drama happens. (as it was stated in this thread as well, by an ex-P2002 player)

Not to mention your server boasts instancing and lockouts. What are guilds going to do when their lockout is still going... play with Powerslave in contested worlds where there's a FFA, administrator-led guild where 4 GMs reside?
You're avoiding the problem by doing instancing, and the problem isn't with the game (clearly anyone will play on any emu regardless of accuracy, judging by this turd of a server), it's with the people that play on and manage the game.

Plus, the name is a blatant ripoff of Project 1999 and the gameplay is mostly TAKProject's work; you and the rest of the server staff have the gonads to think you're the better choice and think you actually did meaningful work, on top of the blatant favoritism and corruption going on within your own server?
It's funny that you have people like Trust that come into EQEmu and think they're top shit and everyone's friend because 'they can compile and run their own server' and praise the work that's being done for them by EQEmu's developers so that they can claim it as their own. They have anonymous trolls come to this thread to constantly try and troll the folks on P99 into playing on this corrupt pile of dogshit, and if you disagree with all the shills here (which are all alt accounts of the developers of P2002, undoubtedly) then you're attacked by said anonymous cowards.

Everyone should steer clear of this puddle of mud. If something's good enough, you'll find it; you won't need an advertisement for it.

Hard pass.

Pepsi is a Ripoff of Coke. Chevy is a Ripoff of Ford. Lungs are a Ripoff of gills.

Life moves on. :P

[Jhaerik]

Oh really? I guess it's time for this then post then. These are the people you are defending. They have done the polar opposite of what you are claiming, have harassed TAKP and its developers and continue to walk away without any notion that they are actually doing any wrong.

That ends now. Here's the truth behind the P2002 developers and why you should steer clear of these mentally ill individuals that run this server:



What does any of that have to do with players enjoying a server in the year 2018? Most of the countries on this planet were founded on the blood of innocents. Should no one come to the US because of how we treated the Native Americans? Simply put I've only been around on p2002 since the end of last year and I've had an absolutely amazing experience. I've brought several friends over from p99 and all of them much preferred p2002.
Frankly I couldn't care less what the GM's do if it doesn't effect me as a player. They could sacrifice animals and drink their blood on the weekends for all I care. If the server is fun, I'll still play it. :P


I'll say this though... all those pictures you posted kind of makes you come off like a creepy stalker.... It really makes me wonder why you've put this much time into it. Are you that much against people having fun?

Even your signature pretty much sums up my thoughts on why I don't mesh well with the p99 community.

"Loramin Frostseer, Oracle of the Tribunal <Anonymous>
The wiki's Per-Level/Treasure Guides have hundreds of places to earn XP or plat."

The p2002 take on things are more... "hey guys wanna help me with my epic?" "Sure" "sweet thanks"

P99 honestly feels like a capitalism sim most of the time. At the end of the day it's up to you what you prefer. Play whatever you like more. I'm simply here to let people know about it and to post my experiences/thoughts.

I loved the 1-53 experience of p99. People were generally nice/friendly/ect. After that though it was either join up with some elitist 3am dragon guild, or sit mostly afk on a class that could solo at some obscure camp, or duo/trio with friends. Finding groups was a pain because of how crowded everything was. Even more so if you were a less desired class... like a wizzy. The ironic thing about is my trio has never had to"solo" on p2002. I've always been able to find another person to play with simply because of not getting 5 people together and looking for a cleric for 2 hours before everyone gets bored and logs. Honestly the hardest part of grouping on p2002 is deciding who brings 2 and who brings 1 when you have 4 or 5 people in a group. :P

[Widan]

PoP is the best everquest expansion and if you disagree you are wrong and bad

[Swish2]

PoP is the best everquest expansion and if you disagree you are wrong and bad

PoP with no boxing allowed would be great, wouldnt it?

[Bleepo]

I was wrong in thinking that Bleepo is Furst which I came to the erroneous conclusion using a process of elimination years ago. It's clear to me now that Bleepo is Iance.

I hope that's not the same line of reasoning you use when developing content. There were a lot more people in AnH than Lance, Furst, Stairs and Wharhogg, which I guess is the small group of people you are basing your erroneous process of elimination on. You should go back to the drawing board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Project 2002 was launched on 20th of March 2015, the Ruins of Kunark expansion followed on 19th of June 2015

According to your screenshots Lance and Furst left the staff of p2002 in 2015, which is almost 3 years ago now. Wharhogg and some friends killed the Sleeper 4+ years ago on Al Kabor after weeks of being trained and trolled by the resident players.

All I am getting from your post is that you guys need to move on with your life, and do something relaxing for a change, you know like playing on P2002 for example ;)

[Torven]

I didn't want to post here again, because you troll to get replies to keep the thread bumped, but since you brought up the AK community and accuse them of being the villains, (while using Al'Kabor in your server title no less) I'll post one of the few images Secrets didn't.

https://i.imgur.com/w099B54.png

Gives you some idea why they all hide behind anonymity. (or try to anyway)

[Bleepo]

None of the P2002 staff are in this thread besides fryguy (aka Trust), they're not hiding behind anonymity, they're hiding from abrasive people like you, and have long realized that posting here is completely pointless.

See:

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2873