What is your most elitist Everquest viewpoint?

[mefdinkins]

We all see people scoff at a character who may not be perfectly min/maxed or deride a caster who doesn't have all his researched spells.

I'm pretty chill and love to support anyone in the P99 community as long as they're having fun and not interfering with anyone else but what elitist opinions do you have on P99!?


My elitist opinion is that gear doesn't really matter on certain classes, leave the good stuff for people who matter!

[Foxplay]

That TunnelQuest is lame as shit even thou they are all richer than me

[Wonkie]

there's no point to rolling a rogue anymore since you can't get a primal

[branamil]

This server is inarguably worse since the sleeper got awakened. 4 raids got deleted forever on a time locked server

[Foxplay]

This server is inarguably worse since the sleeper got awakened. 4 raids got deleted forever on a time locked server

technically 3 raid targets.... if you count 4 then it would be exactly where we are at right now again....

[beargryllz]

Casters don't need gear

No matter how much gear you have, you're only barely more relevant than a naked mana user with a backpack full of spell components

[Erati]

This server is inarguably worse since the sleeper got awakened. 4 raids got deleted forever on a time locked server

A contested Ventani would have been literally the worst thing ever on p99.

Y’all are welcome.

[Kodim]

Contested by who?

[Endonde]

This server is inarguably worse since the sleeper got awakened. 4 raids got deleted forever on a time locked server

I'm glad we woke the sleeper, I'm glad I have 1 of 6 gnome masks, I'm glad that at the end of the day detox will always know that kegluas was better than him.

But on the other hand I do kinda want a monk robe.

[mefdinkins]

My elitist opinion is that Ogre warriors are bland, boring, and often piloted by the worst warrior players.

Even though I have met some really good ogre wars and also made friends with a couple of them, there is such a proliferation of shitty Ogre war alts that I actively discourage people from pursuing that path. Just compare the quality of each level 60 halfling, gnome, half elf warrior vs each level 60 ogre warrior and you'll agree.

Many of the best raid tanks are non min/max warrior races, look at Aikons for instance.

No offense to TeamFat.

hahah you see that soo much for monks... I feel bad for human monks who missed out on that glorious regen and AC but there's a ton of bum iksars who just rolled that way for the regen but would get crushed by humans on monking; some old school humans who are amazing as hell; and then everyone in between from fashion quest reasons to tailwagging roleplayers.

[Erati]

Contested by who?

Players from opposing forces who each want all the loot?

[Nagoya]

For me it's the stupid things like people who don't have Swimming capped or Sense Heading on their W key or who don't believe that food is another item slot and you just have to manually eat Muffins non stop while keeping a stat food in top slot.

In the end most of these people are probably ten times better than me, but I think they are wrong and appalling individuals ;)

[Evia]

Probably my passionate stance on NBG vs Everyone Rolls for loot. I only see one truly fair system and so I tend to go full on nerd rage when someone tries to argue differently. Besides that I'm pretty mellow about everything.

[Jauna]

I dislike seeing non-dwarf paladins.

[Bummey]

If you're not playing an assling what are you even doing?

[Jauna]

If you're not playing an assling what are you even doing?

Playing elves.

[Swish2]

Don't play a monk/ranger if you don't like pulling. Come into a group I'm leading with that attitude and you'll be disbanded straight after - same applies for the reluctant pullers who try to multiple afk their way out of pulling....git gud or git gone, don't make the tank pull.

A good puller can hold a group together for hours, people won't want to leave and the waiting list mads get madder.

2nd - manaburn/afk wizards. Happy to give wizards a chance, but overnuking to the point of aggro then afk'ing for the next 6-7 mobs...no sir I don't like it.

[Jauna]

Don't play a monk/ranger if you don't like pulling..

As a bard who feels useless if not the puller I feel very offended by this

[Arkanjil]

My elitist opinion is that Ogre warriors are bland, boring, and often piloted by the worst warrior players.

Even though I have met some really good ogre wars and also made friends with a couple of them, there is such a proliferation of shitty Ogre war alts that I actively discourage people from pursuing that path. Just compare the quality of each level 60 halfling, gnome, half elf warrior vs each level 60 ogre warrior and you'll agree.

Many of the best raid tanks are non min/max warrior races, look at Aikons for instance.

No offense to TeamFat.

I thought we had something beautiful! I’m so heartbroken! :eek:

[enjchanter]

I have a few pet peeves for sure.


People who are not able to play their class at the most basic level. (IE. enchanters who wont CC, bards who wont CC, Root classes not using root, etc
People who do not understand basic game mechanics. (Dont stand next to rooted mobs if not the tank, chain casting gets you aggro, rogues who dont evade)
People who join a "long term" group (Seb King, Juggs, Hole Crawl, etc) and then leave in less than 1 hour.
Clerics who do not have efficiency in mind when healing group members. (CH'ing clothies, DL on someone at 89% hp, Not casting remedy on charm breaks)
Melee players not being aware of an enchanter being in a group and hitting random targets at random intervals. (Love wasting expenisve mezzes in king groups just to break them 2 seconds later)
Healers who heal necros when they are in no danger of death and then need twitches. (Necros will give you their mana so you can heal people who are not able to heal themselves! Let necros manage their own HP values and save everyone's mana!)
Chronic AFK'ers
People who do not call CC's


Just a few off the top of my head. I understand not everyone can be All-star Pro status MLG player but these things are fairly basic things that people should know/do at upper levels. Im generally a patient and understanding person but these things just irk me :P

[Wonkie]

if i ask how much for an item you're selling and you reply with anything other than a number, end of conversation

[mr_jon3s]

If you can't play for at least an hour uninterrupted don't join a group.

[jolanar]

If you can't play for at least an hour uninterrupted don't join a group.

This! Even though it's why I almost never group.

Had a cleric run by me with the LFG up while I was soloing. Ok sure pity invite whatever. Literally the first thing he says is afk brb.

[Bristlebaner]

There should be zero GM intervention - all mobs should be FFA and may the best man win.

[zati]

I have a few pet peeves for sure.


People who are not able to play their class at the most basic level. (IE. enchanters who wont CC, bards who wont CC, Root classes not using root, etc
People who do not understand basic game mechanics. (Dont stand next to rooted mobs if not the tank, chain casting gets you aggro, rogues who dont evade)
People who join a "long term" group (Seb King, Juggs, Hole Crawl, etc) and then leave in less than 1 hour.
Clerics who do not have efficiency in mind when healing group members. (CH'ing clothies, DL on someone at 89% hp, Not casting remedy on charm breaks)
Melee players not being aware of an enchanter being in a group and hitting random targets at random intervals. (Love wasting expenisve mezzes in king groups just to break them 2 seconds later)
Healers who heal necros when they are in no danger of death and then need twitches. (Necros will give you their mana so you can heal people who are not able to heal themselves! Let necros manage their own HP values and save everyone's mana!)
Chronic AFK'ers
People who do not call CC's


Just a few off the top of my head. I understand not everyone can be All-star Pro status MLG player but these things are fairly basic things that people should know/do at upper levels. Im generally a patient and understanding person but these things just irk me :P

You read my mind.. someone needs to sticky this list somewhere.

[kotton05]

if i ask how much for an item you're selling and you reply with anything other than a number, end of conversation

offer

[enjchanter]

if i ask how much for an item you're selling and you reply with anything other than a number, end of conversation

+10000000000000

Just give me the frickin number and don't sit there and hope that I dont know the value and bid 300% price by accident.
I always don't enjoy those people who will send a tell about a 10k item and being like "anyway you could do 9.8k?" Or something to that effect. Is it really worth the extra haggling time for less than 500p difference?

[kaev]

My elitist opinion is that Ogre warriors are bland, boring, and often piloted by the worst warrior players.

Even though I have met some really good ogre wars and also made friends with a couple of them, there is such a proliferation of shitty Ogre war alts that I actively discourage people from pursuing that path. Just compare the quality of each level 60 halfling, gnome, half elf warrior vs each level 60 ogre warrior and you'll agree.

Many of the best raid tanks are non min/max warrior races, look at Aikons for instance.

No offense to TeamFat.

Filbus I am ashamed for you! You have excluded the ultimate master race of warrior from your list! WoodElf warriors are the bestest, as well you know!

[Jenithia]

Sometimes I get annoyed when people ask for help with epics in guild chat. I'm never actually doing anything worthwhile that I can't drop and go help, but I just don't feel like it. Sometimes I'll /q out to avoid the guilt trips.

[Gozuk]

Sometimes I get annoyed when people ask for help with epics in guild chat. I'm never actually doing anything worthwhile that I can't drop and go help, but I just don't feel like it. Sometimes I'll /q out to avoid the guilt trips.

That's not an elitist viewpoint. That just makes you a bad guildy

[ZiggyTheMuss]

That's not an elitist viewpoint. That just makes you a bad guildy

[Tnair]

My elitist gripe is min-maxing group leaders. It's a game, not a job! What are you, my boss!? Just let us have fun in a sub-optimal fashion whydontcha!

[Brut]

Any class that can go Ogre not going Ogre.

[Gozuk]

My elitist gripe is min-maxing group leaders. It's a game, not a job! What are you, my boss!? Just let us have fun in a sub-optimal fashion whydontcha!

[beargryllz]

Melee players not being aware of an enchanter being in a group and hitting random targets at random intervals. (Love wasting expenisve mezzes in king groups just to break them 2 seconds later)


Enchanters not using lvl 4 mez

[branamil]

Enchanters not using lvl 4 mez

Some of them can only be raptured. Git gud

[Swish2]

Sometimes I get annoyed when people ask for help with epics in guild chat. I'm never actually doing anything worthwhile that I can't drop and go help, but I just don't feel like it. Sometimes I'll /q out to avoid the guilt trips.

It's worse when they've just had their "welcome to the guild, Soandso!" message in guild chat.

[evilkorn]

Y’all are welcome.

Jeeze Cringeatani, you're better than that. Still my 2nd favorite druid though =p

[Nikkanu]

That's not an elitist viewpoint. That just makes you a bad guildy

[Jenithia]

nah, I'm not a bad guildy. I help a lot, or at least I did when I played. Probably more than most people did. It just gets annoying when you only have an hour or so to play and it takes about that long for people to gather.

[Nikkanu]

nah, I'm not a bad guildy. I help a lot, or at least I did when I played. Probably more than most people did. It just gets annoying when you only have an hour or so to play and it takes about that long for people to gather.

Keep telling yourself that, lol

I can't think of a better way to spend an hour of my free time than hanging out with my pals and helping someone knock out a hard part of their epic. Sounds like good times. I have helped countless people get their epics and formed countless friendships in the process.

When I need help with something I've never had a shortage of people willing to help.

This is a social game, not much can be accomplished solo.

[Jokesteve]

+10000000000000

Just give me the frickin number and don't sit there and hope that I dont know the value and bid 300% price by accident.
I always don't enjoy those people who will send a tell about a 10k item and being like "anyway you could do 9.8k?" Or something to that effect. Is it really worth the extra haggling time for less than 500p difference?

Absolutely, when I'm outfitting an entire new set of gear for a new alt, and I get each item 5-10% under fair market value, thats a lot of savings.

Not to mention, everyone who is selling shit in EC tunnel is trying to get top dollar, and fuck all of that. When I see 5 of those bastards being sold, ya'll need to learn a little bit about supply and demand, because 9 times out of 10, one of those 4 other guys will take the 500pp less offer. Question is, is it gonna be you, or the next guy I send a tell to?

Thats the whole point of the East Commons Tunnel, haggling. If you don't want to haggle, go play Agnar and set up your bazaar mule.

[bloodmuffin]

Asking me to come res you when you haven't even started to recover, even when I ask. I've ran too many times to Seb only to sit on my ass for 30 minutes while they get their shit together.

You don't have to pay me just be fucking ready.

Edit: If you roll a necro and don't pick iksar you're an idiot.

[Triiz]

I have a few pet peeves for sure.


People who are not able to play their class at the most basic level. (IE. enchanters who wont CC, bards who wont CC, Root classes not using root, etc
Melee players not being aware of an enchanter being in a group and hitting random targets at random intervals. (Love wasting expenisve mezzes in king groups just to break them 2 seconds later)
Chronic AFK'ers
People who do not call CC's



^These. Also a more recent one, people that spend weeks/months manipulating prices to squeeze a few extra k out of an item. The guy that was auctioning Fungi Staffs for 35k from at least November to March comes to mind, the price briefly went from 10 to almost 15k but is now back towards 10k. Is it really worth 6 months to squeeze 5k more out of a 10k item?

I don't know why it bothers me, I was never even in the market for a Fungi Staff, but it makes me want to bitch slap that guy. There have always been some douchebag EC resellers, but the number of them just blatantly manipulating prices seems to be at all time highs.

[Nixtar]

Minmaxers in exp groups and people with hardline opinions about classes/races. First sign of someone being total shitter who base most their knowledge off their equally shit friends and/or some guide they've decided to treat as the holiest of truths. You can usually spot these people by how ridiculously overtwinked they are thus they'll never really learn the class itself as they sail through the game on easy mode.

Also, EQ is not a hard game. Ever wonder how X or Y person does that. Stop. They've farmed tons of consumables and other clickies. They've put time and EFFORT into getting that stuff. You aren't really doing anything wrong, you just got accept some people put more time into the game and that's why they get rewarded for it. Shit's classic and all that.

You can buy "skill" in this game. It is called a fungi.

[Dreenk317]

You can buy "skill" in this game. It is called a fungi.

And wort pots!! But for real, there are two types of people that play this game: those that think hokushin soloing ragefire is all about skill. And those that think it's all about the 60-100k of consumables he used for that kill.

[Nikkanu]

And wort pots!! But for real, there are two types of people that play this game: those that think hokushin soloing ragefire is all about skill. And those that think it's all about the 60-100k of consumables he used for that kill.

Yeah, I was never impressed by that personally. My trash geared 5th alt monk could solo ragefire with a few bags of wort pots, reaper, soulfire, and puppet strings. Would be several times easier with full BIS.

[Triiz]

You are welcome.

For?

[loramin]

For?

Caiu was implying that he was the person Triiz referred to (ie. "the guy that was auctioning Fungi Staffs for 35k from at least November to March") ... or at least that he too was one of the "douchebag EC resellers". He was also implying that Triiz was thanking those people, even though he clearly understood that Triiz was actually complaining about them.

[Triiz]

Caiu was implying that he was the person Triiz referred to (ie. "the guy that was auctioning Fungi Staffs for 35k from at least November to March") ... or at least that he too was one of the "douchebag EC resellers". He was also implying that Triiz was thanking those people, even though he clearly understood that Triiz was actually complaining about them.

I kind of thought that at first, but surely there is more plat in recharge heists than being an EC reseller.

[loramin]

I kind of thought that at first, but surely there is more plat in recharge heists than being an EC reseller.

https://i.imgur.com/Eaq8ULq.gif

[NegaStoat]

if i ask how much for an item you're selling and you reply with anything other than a number, end of conversation

This. If someone is selling something and I send a whisper and ask "how much would you like for X item?" and they respond with "Make me an offer" I move on. I have no patience for people who have no clue of what they want in life, much less an elf sim.

[Castigate]

I only eat and drink expensive stuff like Fuzzlecutter even though I know there's no difference.
Plebs

[Hibbs]

I can only imagine the rage of a DoP getting a tell

Randude: Hey dude can you do EJ to WC
Drooddood: Brt
Drooddood: Here
Randude: Im just leaving my stables group be there in 5 min

[Pheer]

And wort pots!! But for real, there are two types of people that play this game: those that think hokushin soloing ragefire is all about skill. And those that think it's all about the 60-100k of consumables he used for that kill.

It was more like 3k worth of consumables, unless youre counting the cost of getting the items themselves in the first place in which case its a lot more since he used a full bladestopper.

Also it has nothing to do with skill or consumables and everything to do with gear and the fact that monks are god tier in velious.

[beargryllz]

It was more like 3k worth of consumables, unless youre counting the cost of getting the items themselves in the first place in which case its a lot more since he used a full bladestopper.

bladestopper

3k

https://i.imgur.com/vwIWfG6.jpg

[loramin]

Everyone who uses the wiki but never contributes to it is a terrible person! :mad:

*cough* *cough*

Er, what I meant to say was, now's a great time for anyone to edit the wiki, and I I welcome you to do so! :D

[Vormotus]

My only complain, if it can be called that, is that not enough people play this wonderful game :)

I love seeing new people all the time on the newbie grounds, so yeah there is my complaint!

[Pheer]

retarded shit

>quote someone's post
>read nothing but the first 5 words and the last one
>make a troll reply that completely disregards 90% of the post because that part makes your troll attempt look retarded

[Nibblewitz]

I respect this. Filbus only eats Jum stalks, carrots, turnips, cabbage bought in vale with the exception of pickles from ogre merch in wfp and Dragon Steaks

* Banks aggro weapons to adhere to paleo diet. *

[Nagoya]

why did this thread turn from "elitist point of view" to "complaints about other people"? lol. the original idea was nice enough, there is a whole forum section to complaint about other people ^^;

another of my elitist views: if you play Agnostic you're weak and you're not immersed enough and you fail at EQ.

[Vormotus]

why did this thread turn from "elitist point of view" to "complaints about other people"? lol. the original idea was nice enough, there is a whole forum section to complaint about other people ^^;

another of my elitist views: if you play Agnostic you're weak and you're not immersed enough and you fail at EQ.

I kinda am behind this mindset myself.

It makes me feel weird RPwise (I know I know) why someone would be agnostic in a world where the literal gods walk around and do pretty impressive stuff.

Reminds me a bit of that Discworld Tale within a Tale (bless Pratchett) of the Agnostic guy in Discworld that the gods regularly threw stones at his house when bored ... lol , you know, for not believing in them!

Also Offler :D

[kjs86z]

Over-eager damage dealers that break my CC'd mobs before the tank has even picked a target.

Annoying AF, not even elitist really. Just sit on your mfkin hands until you see the tank swinging away.

[loramin]

I kinda am behind this mindset myself.

It makes me feel weird RPwise (I know I know) why someone would be agnostic in a world where the literal gods walk around and do pretty impressive stuff.

Reminds me a bit of that Discworld Tale within a Tale (bless Pratchett) of the Agnostic guy in Discworld that the gods regularly threw stones at his house when bored ... lol , you know, for not believing in them!

Also Offler :D

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

[Freakish]

All non obtainable ST loot besides gnome mask is overrated. If you have a gnome mask you won the game.

Anyone who bothers with clearing Pot trash to kill Tunare does not value their time. Nothing she drops is worth all that effort to gear out 1-2 people.

[Mushman]

Absolutely, when I'm outfitting an entire new set of gear for a new alt, and I get each item 5-10% under fair market value, thats a lot of savings.

Not to mention, everyone who is selling shit in EC tunnel is trying to get top dollar, and fuck all of that. When I see 5 of those bastards being sold, ya'll need to learn a little bit about supply and demand, because 9 times out of 10, one of those 4 other guys will take the 500pp less offer. Question is, is it gonna be you, or the next guy I send a tell to?

Thats the whole point of the East Commons Tunnel, haggling. If you don't want to haggle, go play Agnar and set up your bazaar mule.

People who trade EC like it's the stock market or a crypto exchange. I'll over pay and undersell just to get the hell out of there and get back to playing the game.

All the tunnel flippers and "emporium of ripping you off" shop runners should consider real trading - seriously you'd probably have just as much fun or more doing that.

[Nikkanu]

It was more like 3k worth of consumables, unless youre counting the cost of getting the items themselves in the first place in which case its a lot more since he used a full bladestopper.

Bladestorpper (~400-500k)
Puppet Strings (~300k)
Wort Posts (~2k per)
Reaper (600pp)
SoulFire (~6k if you buy a MQ)

Also it has nothing to do with skill or consumables and everything to do with gear and the fact that monks are god tier in velious.

Truth.

[Pheer]

Bladestorpper (~400-500k)
Puppet Strings (~300k)
Wort Posts (~2k per)
Reaper (600pp)
SoulFire (~6k if you buy a MQ)

I dont understand this obsession people seem to have with "how much money worth of consumables" he used. He only used like 2 wort pots and a full bladestopper so about 2.5kish? pp worth of recharges. No soulfire, no reaper, one charge of puppet string for giant adds when RF ran but that could easily have been avoided by clearing them before the kill. Also tbh he probably could have just tanked through them and finished the kill since he was around 50%~ ish but i guess he didnt want to chance it. Also you could easily replace the bladestopper with one more wort pot and bring the grand total of consumables used on this fight to like 6kpp.

[Nagoya]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former ;) if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

[Dreenk317]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

And there is the difference between agnostic and atheist. Too many think it's the same.
Agnostic: "God(s) exist, I just don't worship any in particular."
Atheist: "god(s)? Let me show you thing this called science, because gods don't exist"

And to stick with the topic, and I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this one, but when I see macros like this....

Tank: heal please
Cleric: Hold on to your horses hats, because I'm about to knock them off with a complete heal incoming to the mighty %T


That shit is dumb. Whatever happened to the simple and effective, "CH to %t"

Also, when people break my mezzes on my bard, and then claim it's because I'm not spamming " mezzing %t". That's a fair point, but it also doesn't explain why you aren't assisting the tank and have repeatedly broken my mezzes on 3-4 mobs. Have faith in your group members to do there job. If they aren't, address it. But one of my huge pet peeves is people telling others how to play their class in an 18 year old game when they haven't even met said person and have no idea if they know what they are doing or not.

[Wonkie]

infidel is more correct than agnostic. eq gods clearly exist in eq.

hope this helps

[loramin]

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former ;) if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

[Wonkie]

because there's already a word for that

[Squabbles123]

I'm pretty easy going on p99, but I think the most annoying thing is people hogging cash camps.

As a high 40's shaman who prefers to just log in and solo for a few hours here and there, when I get 2 Giant spawns in Rathe I'm super happy about it....

And when a level 60 shows up and grabs every single giant alive (plus my spawns if I'm not fast enough to grab them first) and tags them all and root rots them all with 1 spell.

Well, that kinda ruins my day. You're 60 FFS, there isn't a better cash camp for you then these giants that still give me EXP?

[Jimjam]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Agnostic makes MORE sense in EQ. Norrath is saturated in magic and the supernatural. Any mortal can become a being of incredible power. The 'gods' are also incredibly powerful beings, but not beyond reproach. The line between mortal and god blurs.

I can see how a woke young adventurer could be apprehensive to a god's godliness, fallible as gods are and with so many gods competing for attention.

[Rygar]

I am judgmental about people who play for years but don't research at least one solid submission to make the project more classic. People like that lazy punk Manasana (shots fired!)

[kaev]

Sometimes I get annoyed when people ask for help with epics in guild chat. I'm never actually doing anything worthwhile that I can't drop and go help, but I just don't feel like it. Sometimes I'll /q out to avoid the guilt trips.

It's not elitist to be allergic to guilt-trips, it's rational to resist emotional abuse.

[Nagoya]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Yes.... but no.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic

1 a : the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b : magic rites or incantations

2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source Both pitchers, although they are older, haven't lost their magic.
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
all the mystery, magic and romance which belong to royalty alone —J. E. P. Grigg

3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand entertained with acts of jugglery and magic

and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic

1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something (political agnostics)

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words have meanings dude.

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam ;)

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

[Nagoya]

Yep, I agree.
If I had been on the creative room in that meeting, I would have suggested:
Skeptic, Dissenter, Heretic, Pagan or Blasphemous. Agnostic makes no sense.

It's never too late to reroll Filbus! The server is not going anywhere ^^

[Vormotus]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

True true, I stand corrected, but still I feel it is a bit of a jaded disposition rp wise, but then again using the definition as it is , can give a new twist to people that choose Agnostic, and broadens the Katta and Vah Shir Spiritual context within the mythos

But I always felt wrong about it, due to the afterlife and how it is handled.

Loose spirits roam, hence why the Vah Shir have such strong animistic tendencies, but I still feel they should have been able to worship Luclin, even in her presumed state.

The Afterlife as seen in the game kinda blows, as unaffiliated spirits end up shackled and tormented or are forced to roam mindlessly . Only very powerful necromancers get a shot at true sentient immortality, the rest are ... well, in torment like the State of Unrest clearly shows, but my opinion is that being Agnostic forces you to roam Norrath at the beck and call of shamans and necromancers after you die :eek:

There are some if I recall correctly, other powerful spirits that remain bound to Norrath, serving as protectors and are not evil, but you end up shackled still.

At least some of the norrath gods offer succour , and even today Rodcet Nife still weirds me out, wonder what an afterlife with him as a patron would be like, because he is one of the few gods of norrath that came from somewhere else, perhaps he knows that death and the afterlife are very nihilistic for some souls.

Hehe.

So yeah, I still feel Agnostic is kinda odd within the universe (outside of ease of game mechanics and factioning of course):cool:

[Vormotus]

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam ;)

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

I support it too, exactly for these reasons and within the logic of the EQ Mythos itself.

Agnosticism in this game is like ... being a Flat Earther. :eek:


Note: Just kidding guys eh? :P

[Jimjam]

Would be fun to RP a conspiracy theorist agnostic, ascribing all miraculous magic to really being cheap parlour tricks, undead to being trick or treaters and godly avatars as being mere large monsters.

[loramin]

So yeah, I still feel Agnostic is kinda odd within the universe (outside of ease of game mechanics and factioning of course):cool:

Not to let reality intrude on a perfectly good fictional computer game, but ... here on Earth, back when people believed in polytheistic religions (eg. in ancient Greece) almost everyone was "agnostic".

The vast vast majority of ordinary people believed in all of the various gods, but they worshipped whichever god could best fulfill their needs at any moment. For instance, farmers almost certainly gave more offerings to Demeter, but that didn't mean they "picked Demeter at character creation." If they were going to have a party they'd say a prayer or make an offering to Dionysus. If they needed to know what would happen in the future they'd consult a priest of Apollo, and if they got sick they'd pray to Asclepius (a lesser known god of healing). If their wife needed marital help she'd pray to Hera, and so on.

My point is that the only people who actually pledged themselves to one specific god were priests/priestesses and the members of "mystery cults" ... which were very small, secretive groups that made up less than 1% of the overall population. Aside from them, the default of almost everyone back in those days was to believe in all the gods, and pay tribute to any that were relevant to you, but never actually commit to any one in particular.

If anything EQ should have used the term "polytheist" instead of "agnostic", but while that might have been more accurate, it probably also would have confused a lot of modern players raised in monotheistic systems.

[maskedmelon]

i think deity selection is an integral part of character creation and tend to lump agnostics in with min-maxers whose min-maxing i consider glaring indication of arrested mental and social development, closed-mindedness and petite penises not unlike grown adults who refuse to eat onions, fish or capsaicin containing fruits.

i do exempt Filbus from this lumping though, because I love him and believe it was more an honest mistake than some infantile inclination to pursue the most-bestest condition despite its exceptional creative deficiency, which we well know Filbus does not suffer ^^

[Wonkie]

Yep, I agree.
If I had been on the creative room in that meeting, I would have suggested:
Skeptic, Dissenter, Heretic, Pagan or Blasphemous. Agnostic makes no sense.

It's never too late to reroll Filbus! The server is not going anywhere ^^

in·fi·del
ˈinfədl,ˈinfəˌdel/Submit
nounarchaic
1.
a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.

[loramin]

in·fi·del
ˈinfədl,ˈinfəˌdel/Submit
nounarchaic
1.
a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.

Infidel has incredibly strong connotations of being bad/wrong. You can't just be "an infidel", you have to be "an infidel in the eyes of a believer". Heck, if you look at Miriam-Webster's definition of the word, the very first definition is not "doesn't believe in religion X", it's:

1: one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity

Plus, the people who made EQ weren't linguists trying to find the most precise word possible, they were game makers looking for a term their player base would understand ... and not get offended by (religious language tend to bring out the worst in some believers).

[Wonkie]

It means they don't follow your god(s).

it can be tortured as 'untrustworthy', which is a fair assessment for the infidel fellow Filbert.

[loramin]

It means they don't follow your god(s).

it can be tortured as 'untrustworthy', which is a fair assessment for the infidel fellow Filbert.

Oh totally: from the perspective of my Tribunal-worshipping Barbarian Filbert is most definitely an infidel :)

I'm just saying that from the perspective of a character creation screen (where there is no "you" to define "your god(s)") infidel would have been a bad choice.

[Wonkie]

it would be a bad choice, but it would be correct in meaning.

I forget what we were arguing about.

[Vormotus]

If anything EQ should have used the term "polytheist" instead of "agnostic", but while that might have been more accurate, it probably also would have confused a lot of modern players raised in monotheistic systems.

Hmm yes, I can see the beauty of that idea ... That would be very good!

It would fit more within the lore, and in a sense, the afterlife would be the one more attuned to your Norrathian life acts, yes yes, that can work :)

On the other side of the coin, another elitist gripe is I find it kinda short the list of available deities.

For example, The Nameless or Zebuxoruk would be awesome as deities, one for being so remote the other for being a Rebel hated by the rest of the Norrathian Pantheon, like Prometheus.

[Vormotus]

actually it would be really cool if agnostic people WERE like flat earthers

i would like to set up a guild with this theme called the <Velious is Fake Society>

or even better yet

<There are Cats on the Moon> for a guild of people who believe there's a fast conspiracy coming from aliens and cats on the moon


LOOOOL! I ... I want to be on the There are Cats on the Moon/ Fake Velious Society Guild :D

We can even go to the end of the zone as proof there is nothing beyond and then self congratulate as we drink Skull Ale. Yes! :cool:

[Squabbles123]

Agnostic is not the same as Atheist, and a few seem to be combining the two terms.

Think of it this way, your character at creation is level 1, about as strong as a giant rat, probably about as smart too....what does a giant rat know of the GODS OF NORRATH?!

So, this level 1 person might be like "Well, I've heard of the gods, they might exist, they might not, I dunno"....and thats the definition of Agnostic.

It would be neat if you could change it after you FIGHT one of the gods though, or maybe even force belief of one based on who you kill....or something like that, sorta like "Well, I didn't think there were gods before, but I just helped kill one, so I think its probably true!"

[loramin]

It would be neat if you could change it after you FIGHT one of the gods though, or maybe even force belief of one based on who you kill....or something like that, sorta like "Well, I didn't think there were gods before, but I just helped kill one, so I think its probably true!"

I love that idea, but I think it should be reversed. If P99 ever implements a custom quest to let you change religions, I 100% think at least one item for that quest should drop off whichever god is most opposed to the god you want to start worshipping.

"You want to start worshipping Innoruuk? Sure, just go kill Tunare, bring me back her crown, and we'll let you join." "Oh you want to start worshipping Bertox? I hear a new portal just opened up in Rodcet Nife's UFO: go through it and bring me back back one of his weird alien shoes ..."

[Vormotus]

It would be neat if you could change it after you FIGHT one of the gods though, or maybe even force belief of one based on who you kill....or something like that, sorta like "Well, I didn't think there were gods before, but I just helped kill one, so I think its probably true!"

I think, being able to switch or change religions in game would be great, perhaps after reaching level 50 and with a new religion table, including some more lore friendly gods, like some of Rallos Spawn, Zebuxoruk, even Anasthi Sul or The Nameless, treating them as agnostic mechanic wise for ease of insertion except for classes that can not normally choose Agnostic but that is something else for another server.

Would be a great feature though :)

[Vormotus]

I hear a new portal just opened up in Rodcet Nife's UFO: go through it and bring me back back one of his weird alien shoes ..."

I ... I had to do this ... https://i.imgur.com/KEAEJxa.jpg:D


But yeah, I fint it reasonable to look for Rodcet Nifes weird alien shoes to become a Bertie worshipper idea ... that would be an amazing feature! Questing for opposite things works very well :)

[Twochain]

Are human monks really monks at all? Or are they rangers without survival instincts?

I feel like i'm one of the only people who absolutely hate the way human monks look. I think Iksar is better in every way possible.

[Twochain]

Human monks are superior in skill to iksar monks who rely on scale AC and regen in order to compete with the human monks superior DPS and technique!

Excuse me but my int is 115 unbuffed. KThx.

[maskedmelon]

lizards are gross and carry salmonella. some are cute, but you hafta wash your hands after handling one.

[loramin]

I ... I had to do this ... https://i.imgur.com/KEAEJxa.jpg:D

:D

[Vormotus]

Are human monks really monks at all? Or are they rangers without survival instincts?

I feel like i'm one of the only people who absolutely hate the way human monks look. I think Iksar is better in every way possible.

How can you hate this?

https://i.imgur.com/hbQ8s6G.jpg

:D

[aaezil]

no amount of stats or regen can ever make up for those god awful iksar animations dear lord

[fiveeauxfour]

Human monks are superior in skill to iksar monks who rely on scale AC and regen in order to compete with the human monks superior DPS and technique!

QFT

[solleks]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jbwtf.gif

[Shinko]

People that don’t make gnome necros

Say we are the worst.....

Go back to your afk twiching

[solleks]

https://i.imgur.com/BnqJ65I.gif

[joppykid]

https://i.imgur.com/BnqJ65I.gif

[Bboboo]

Did anyone say poor inventory/bag management yet?

[mattydef]

Agnostic is not the same as Atheist, and a few seem to be combining the two terms.

Think of it this way, your character at creation is level 1, about as strong as a giant rat, probably about as smart too....what does a giant rat know of the GODS OF NORRATH?!

So, this level 1 person might be like "Well, I've heard of the gods, they might exist, they might not, I dunno"....and thats the definition of Agnostic.

It would be neat if you could change it after you FIGHT one of the gods though, or maybe even force belief of one based on who you kill....or something like that, sorta like "Well, I didn't think there were gods before, but I just helped kill one, so I think its probably true!"

As an agnostic person, killing a god if anything probably confirms their belief. How can anyone worship such beings as gods when one was just slain by your hand?

[Alanus]

Anyone who says "PST" when selling/buying an item. It should be beyond obvious to send a damn tell if you want the item

[Nagoya]

Anyone who says "PST" when selling/buying an item. It should be beyond obvious to send a damn tell if you want the item

i do feel silly everytime i type this indeed. i will work hard to stop that peon habit.
+1 point to Alanus.

https://i.imgur.com/xi8J0Ce.gif

[Nixtar]

Anyone who says "PST" when selling/buying an item. It should be beyond obvious to send a damn tell if you want the item

That's when you start making offers in shout.

[Valrok]

My elitist opinion is that Ogre warriors are bland, boring, and often piloted by the worst warrior players.

Even though I have met some really good ogre wars and also made friends with a couple of them, there is such a proliferation of shitty Ogre war alts that I actively discourage people from pursuing that path. Just compare the quality of each level 60 halfling, gnome, half elf warrior vs each level 60 ogre warrior and you'll agree.

Many of the best raid tanks are non min/max warrior races, look at Aikons for instance.

No offense to TeamFat.


I approve of this message.

[eqtrader99]

People that don't use /assist....

[Maschenny]

When someone describes their dubious faction as glowers.

[Snaggles]

Strange people play bards (or bards make people odd over time)

There are exceptions to the rule but this one seems about as consistent as gravity.

[Maschenny]

Strange people play bards (or bards make people odd over time)

There are exceptions to the rule but this one seems about as consistent as gravity.

what's so strange about them?

[supermonk]

you can't call yourself a good monk if you need to use items to pull.

[Snaggles]

what's so strange about them?

My RL bud had one. Was just super impatient and ADHD. Probably the runspeed and general ability to do anything solo.

[pogs4ever]

i dont see the point in going after NTOV armor since there is no full set for any piece and you look like a newbie with that mismatched junk.

[Tnair]

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam ;)

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

My DEF rogue is Agnostic, which while for sure is the wrong word for Norrath, is a deliberate RP choice to indicate seeing a broader world that the one espoused by Innoruuk followers. I mean, you can *kill* Innoruuk and take his gear and body parts for your own use .. not much of a god.

My people are sadly misguided. Look at the Indigo Brotherhood, their viewpoint leads them to thinking the Crushbone orcs are worthy allies! Their emperor is as strong as the lowliest Dragoon!

Agnostic in Norrath is "I'm .. not sure you should call that a god". More literal interpretations lead to inescapable knowledge that your religious choice is a developer error. Which is a crap feeling.

I guess that's, like, my elitist viewpoint on your elitist viewpoint? Or something .. I swear I'm still on topic somehow .. <3

[Quizlop]

My DEF rogue is Agnostic

I think choosing to play a DEF rogue exonerates you from the crime of being agnostic.

Dark Elf Rogue might be the worst race/class combo from any perspective besides roleplay.

[mefdinkins]

also elitist view, you're crazy if you only play one char.

some people take the elite view you're a scrub if you have 10 alts that aren't bis but i'd rather have 5 solid geared alts than 1 BIS char.

[mattydef]

also elitist view, you're crazy if you only play one char.

some people take the elite view you're a scrub if you have 10 alts that aren't bis but i'd rather have 5 solid geared alts than 1 BIS char.

+1. This also reminds me that I need to update/add the rest of my magelos.

[bomaroast]

I will absolutely not respond to someone who is too lazy to run somewhere and check out the situation for themselves. No I will not help you LFG while you sit in the EC tunnel. No I will not tell you whats happening on the other side of the zone. Run over and figure it out for yourself, you lazy fuck

[Cen]

Anyone who hunts hill giants in rathe mountains but gets no experience from them when actual correct level people are there to hunt them should be banned from the server.
However they should be imprisoned IRL if its a 55-60 druid who could have been making more money doing any of their usual druid crap, but no, they had to be anti social and unhelpful and then additionally detrimental to the server.

:D thats my rant

[Vormotus]

elitist viewpoint

everyone who plays p99 is mentally ill except for me

As a certified Psychologist I support and/or endorse this message :)

[Swish2]

Anyone who hunts hill giants in rathe mountains but gets no experience from them when actual correct level people are there to hunt them should be banned from the server.
However they should be imprisoned IRL if its a 55-60 druid who could have been making more money doing any of their usual druid crap, but no, they had to be anti social and unhelpful and then additionally detrimental to the server.

:D thats my rant

Easier plat than seafuries now though isn't it? I agree though. Same with belt farming in CB in terms of people monopolizing the zone.

[Quinas]

I will absolutely not respond to someone who is too lazy to run somewhere and check out the situation for themselves. No I will not help you LFG while you sit in the EC tunnel. No I will not tell you whats happening on the other side of the zone. Run over and figure it out for yourself, you lazy fuck

I dunno. It has its place. Checking zone in situation for HS. Checking if AC is camped if a /who isn't obvious.

[Stroboo]

Groups of more then 3 are a waste of time and exp