TAKP Luclin release date announced

[fadetree]

July 25th, 2018. For realz.
https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/luclin-launch-date.11443/#post-64891

[Wonkie]

eternal july :(

[d3r14k]

What's this server like? How does it compare to P99? I see the population is sometimes around ~150. Is it a ghost town?

I'm not sure I'd ever leave P99 permanently for another Everquest Server, but I might try it out for moon cats so I can laugh.

[Wonkie]

What's this server like? How does it compare to P99? I see the population is sometimes around ~150. Is it a ghost town?

I'm not sure I'd ever leave P99 permanently for another Everquest Server, but I might try it out for moon cats so I can laugh.

low levels are pretty sparse with how quick leveling is and its mostly a raiding server. there is a rotation and kitty cats(already) tho.

[Irulan]

If you are playing a catbard, on the moon, in 2018, on a box of bots, that are automated with elon musks technology, seek help.

[d3r14k]

If you are playing a catbard, on the moon, in 2018, on a box of bots, that are automated with elon musks technology, seek help.

I will forgive you for this indiscretion and injustice towards moon cats because you introduced me to Kavinsky.

low levels are pretty sparse with how quick leveling is and its mostly a raiding server. there is a rotation and kitty cats(already) tho.

Is there boxing? Irulan's post seemed to imply it was heavy. That would kill it for me.

[Irulan]

I will forgive you for this indiscretion and injustice towards moon cats because you introduced me to Kavinsky.



Is there boxing? Irulan's post seemed to imply it was heavy. That would kill it for me.

I trolled /channel 1 (alliance or w/e) and ragedlogged after about 3 days of solo boredom. But thats me.

[Wonkie]

Is there boxing? Irulan's post seemed to imply it was heavy. That would kill it for me.

yes boxing(3+1 trader). there are some who single box. it has boxing because AK did. some are very talented at it and others(me) very bad!

[LostCause]

What's this server like? How does it compare to P99? I see the population is sometimes around ~150. Is it a ghost town?

I'm not sure I'd ever leave P99 permanently for another Everquest Server, but I might try it out for moon cats so I can laugh.

nothing wrong with luclin... not sure how you hate it.. AA was awesome it was slow too not like it is now on live fast xp AA

1 aa was just like a 50+ level imo

plus the raids weren't bad i enjoyed it same with PoP after that tho meh

you didn't need new models on and no one really used mounts unless you had the fastest ones.

the portals in nexus weren't instant either you had to wait.

if im bound in oasis at dock with sow/levi i can run to firepots prob just as fast.

[d3r14k]

nothing wrong with luclin... not sure how you hate it.. AA was awesome it was slow too not like it is now on live fast xp AA

1 aa was just like a 50+ level imo

plus the raids weren't bad i enjoyed it same with PoP after that tho meh

Yeah I never said I hated it, and I don't. The idea of moon cats is pretty funny though. I do think the Bazaar kind of kills EC, for better or for worse. I know next to nothing about Luclin raiding but I do remember how a lot of zones felt ultra deserted after it came out, maybe because of the teleporting books? Can't remember if that's Luclin or not. I quit playing live in the Luclin era (I think), so I may have some subconscious negativity associated with it.

[fadetree]

I like TAKP a lot. Pop is kinda low, but that will probably change and actually has its benefits imo. Boxing is limited to 3, and you do see a lot of trios during low levels, but a lot of people do it mostly for convenience rather than as a lifestyle. There's some good guilds and a lot of raiding. The server is flawless as far as functionality, seems to have very good devs. The community is awesome, very friendly and laid back.
If you have a religious object to OTHER people boxing, then yeah you won't like that aspect of it. You don't have to box if you don't want to, and there's a rather large exp bonus for going to 4 or above in a group, so singles are usually always welcome.
IDGAF about the cats on the moon thing, you people are ok with all kinds of dumb crap if its elveses and hobbittses but CATS? omg no.
Also...PoP is coming, and imo that's the pinnacle of EQ.
Really the only drawback is that halfings can be rangers, but whattaya gonna do.

[fadetree]

yes boxing(3+1 trader). there are some who single box. it has boxing because AK did. some are very talented at it and others(me) very bad!

And AK had it because....wait for it....LIVE HAD IT.

Shit's classic.

[tsuchang]

[QUOTE=d3r14k;2707783]What's this server like? How does it compare to P99? I see the population is sometimes around ~150. Is it a ghost town?

with folks 3 boxing, perhaps it's really 50 players on.

[loramin]

Does any server besides P99 prevent boxing?

It feels like all the servers which might someday have a chance of seeing P99-level population numbers, like 2002 and TAKP, screw themselves over by allowing boxing. They tell themselves "we have a low population, so we need boxing", but the reality is their population will always remain low because of that decision.

It seems to me that the only way (or at least the only proven way) to succeed is to do what P99 does and prevent boxing from day one. And the only other successful EQ servers (live EQ) did something similar: while they didn't ban boxing, they at least discouraged it by charging for accounts.

But for some odd reason it seems like every server except P99 completely fails to understand that, and I have yet to hear about any other that has a one-box policy. What gives?

[fadetree]

I don't know. Everybody talks about bot armies and whatever other weird shit they always bring up, and all I can say is I never once saw that during early live (up through PoP). If it was there it, never bothered me. I duo-boxed on live when not grouped and had a great time, ran with a good guild and we all had fun. To your point, Loramin, I have never understood the vitriolic hatred that the P99 population has for boxing, especially when it's limited to 2 or 3 max. TAKP is not bot-controlled, its not 50 people all playing trios, and its not full of cheaters and hacks. Some of the same devs that were on P99 are there and they are just as vigilant as they are here. I like boxing, always have. I also like group play as a single. What I don't like is being LFG for hours. Plus, boxing is freaking hard if you are doing anything other than a calm controlled exp camp anyway. Macros and bot controls are strictly not allowed on TAKP.

So really, I don't care if you guys come over or not frankly, this was not intended as a recruitment thread, just an announcement. But you could always see for yourself what it's like, and draw your own conclusions. We won't out you on P99 if you log in.

[Wonkie]

It's an AK replica, AK had boxing. Get lost with the boxing complaints.

[Irulan]

I get upset easily.

Especially @ boxing on a game I'm not rly playing.

I'm sooo sorry. :(

[loramin]

To your point, Loramin, I have never understood the vitriolic hatred that the P99 population has for boxing, especially when it's limited to 2 or 3 max.

I guess I was a bit too vitriolic. Honestly I had intended more to fume about the lack of one-box servers, but somehow wound up ranting about multi-box ones instead.

But to what you said, it's not that people necessarily hate boxing. I myself boxed occasionally on live, and enjoyed it. But on live boxing was limited by the cost of $10/month plus an initial $50 ... plus a second computer, before EQW came out.

If emulated servers could require all that then they might actually feel like a live server. But they can't, and it's frustrating to me that every other server creator chooses to allow boxing, when both one-boxing P99 and "discouraged boxing" live EQ were so successful.

[fadetree]

Yeah, it's an interesting point. Part of the issue I think is that there's been kind of a sea of emulators out there. I never seriously played any of them besides P99 and TAKP, but from what I gather they were all pretty heavily modified and/or were from an era after PoP when many people, myself included, stopped liking the easymode direction that EQ had gone.
So, there was a lot of built up desire to experience EQ as it actually was during the era when most of us thought it was at it's greatest. I actually tried Dalaya and like 1 other one for a brief time, and they were unrecognizable as EQ beyond the superficial setting, and I did not enjoy them.
So when P99 started up it's goal matched a whole lot of people's desires, and its brilliant execution and attention to detail really made a name for itself. People could log on and really feel like they just logged into live in 1999. I personally think that it was not so much the 'no boxing!' that made P99 so popular (although it helped) as just that it was done extremely well and appeared at the right time. So a population built up, and developed it's own cultural views on many things, including boxing.
I think that if P99 had started with limited boxing at that same time, it would not have prevented the player base growth in any significant way. That's just an opinion. But now there's a really strong cultural bias against boxing on P99, and that's fine. I like P99 a lot. But I also think there's a lot of people who liked PoP a lot, and who liked boxing as a fallback to standing around LFG on a short play time frame. A lot of us are much older now and don't have hours and hours to play.
I guess the 'bot armies' thing was a problem in live, although I never noticed it much, but that was supported with ShowEQ, external macros, and no limit to the number of boxes. If Live discouraged boxing, it was in word only, I never saw anyone I knew get in trouble for boxing.
So I guess to look at the emu landscape and say 'wow, boxing kills servers' based on the 1 example of P99 is not a completely convincing argument. P99 has many other things going for it, including the time at which it got started, era accuracy, and excellent devs and regulation, which are also missing from a lot of the other emus both past and present. You could as well say "wow, not sticking to accuracy and not running a tight ship kills servers'. Also keep in mind there's a limited number of people who are even interested in EQ compared to the general population, and P99 has a large part of them already invested in it.
I think that once TAKP drops luclin and starts working on PoP, the population will slowly ramp up, especially as more people start to confirm the things about TAKP that attracted and keep me playing there.

[fadetree]

No, I never played on TLPs at all.
I don't understand why limited boxing and people who don't want to box can't co-exist.
I personally draw the line at instancing. That's a personal preference and was part of why I quit Live when I did. I understand that's basically the same decision as people make when they say 'I draw the line at boxing', but the difference to me is that I don't have to box if I don't want to, but instancing is a inescapable part of the environment.

[Irulan]

a two box limit would be better, it would stop crazy AUTOMATED farming of lower level content a bit

[Linkamus]

TAKP is the most accurate emu for the 2002 era. It's insane what nitty gritty details the devs fix and massage to make sure it's as accurate as possible. This is why Luclin has taken so long to arrive, and it will have been worth the wait.

[Linkamus]

If you're in the fence about trying it, I'd suggest reading through this:

http://wiki.takp.info/index.php?title=Server_Comparison

[fadetree]

a two box limit would be better, it would stop crazy AUTOMATED farming of lower level content a bit

Automation is not allowed. Haynar will ban you. But yeah, I'd be ok with a 2 box limit.

[Linkamus]

Automating for exp is a permaban on first offense.

"If you are caught macroing, running bots, macroquest, etc., for tasks such as getting XP. The penalty on first offense will be permanent ban."

https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/macro-warning.10983/

[fadetree]

On the subject of the client, it is more difficult to use than trilogy which is what P99 uses. Trilogy offers some seriously powerful advances over what was actually available in P99's era. I can't say I enjoyed getting used to it (mostly the lack of mouse-pan), but I have and I mention it because it's part of the era accuracy on TAKP.

[Secrets]

On the subject of the client, it is more difficult to use than trilogy which is what P99 uses. Trilogy offers some seriously powerful advances over what was actually available in P99's era. I can't say I enjoyed getting used to it (mostly the lack of mouse-pan), but I have and I mention it because it's part of the era accuracy on TAKP.

P99 uses Titanium, not Trilogy.

Trilogy would be a better choice for a client for P99, but the tears would be immense if that were to happen.

[loramin]

Did you play on "discouraged boxing" TLP servers for any meaningful period of time?

If you re-read my post you'll see that "discouraged boxing" was referring to the classic EQ servers, not the TLP servers. Indeed, as you noted:

plenty of people who wanted to did boxed 2-6 characters

"True box" protection didn't work ... but the way classic EQ discouraged boxing did.

Classic EQ required $50 to get an account, plus a $10/month subscription, plus a second computer ... at least until EQW came out. Even when it did though single-computer boxing sucked at first: you'd get lag when ALT-TAB-ing between your two EQ windows, and the lag got a lot worse if you tried running three or more.

Flash forward to today: you can run six EQ instances without your computer's fans even turning on, new accounts cost nothing, and if you play on live the subscription fee is the exact same amount as it was back in 2000, except that it's in today's dollars and you can pay it with Kronos. Emulated servers of course cost nothing.


I don't understand why limited boxing and people who don't want to box can't co-exist.


We used to have limited boxing in old school EQ, because of the things I mentioned above, but all those limitations are gone now. Technology is better, emulated servers can't charge, etc. As a result, there is no "limited boxing" option anymore: emulated servers have to chose between "let everyone box" or "let no one box".

If you let everyone box it will, unsurprisingly, result in a server where most people box. But when anyone new plays on such a server their reaction will inevitably be "this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

Now there is nothing wrong with 50 (or however many actual players the next most popular server has) all playing three characters at once, and if they have fun together then great ... but that's not what anyone's original EQ experience was. Project 1999 is the only emulated server which understands this critical fact: if server A isn't like live EQ, and server B is, B is going to be wildly more successful, even if it makes incredibly unpopular decisions like never going past Velious.

Think about that for just a sec: the P99 people made a decision that affects just about everything on the server, and the vast vast majority of its population strongly objects to that decision ... and yet P99 is still the most popular emulated server, by like a factor of ten! Because of its boxing policy, along with many other factors, P99 resembles live EQ, while all the other emulated servers simply don't.

[fadetree]

P99 uses Titanium, not Trilogy.

Trilogy would be a better choice for a client for P99, but the tears would be immense if that were to happen.

Er yeah, sorry. I knew that whatever it was kind of out of era though, thanks for the correction.

[fadetree]

If you re-read my post you'll see that "discouraged boxing" was referring to the classic EQ servers, not the TLP servers. Indeed, as you noted:



"True box" protection didn't work ... but the way classic EQ discouraged boxing did.

Classic EQ required $50 to get an account, plus a $10/month subscription, plus a second computer ... at least until EQW came out. Even when it did though single-computer boxing sucked at first: you'd get lag when ALT-TAB-ing between your two EQ windows, and the lag got a lot worse if you tried running three or more.

Flash forward to today: you can run six EQ instances without your computer's fans even turning on, new accounts cost nothing, and if you play on live the subscription fee is the exact same amount as it was back in 2000, except that it's in today's dollars and you can pay it with Kronos. Emulated servers of course cost nothing.


We used to have limited boxing in old school EQ, because of the things I mentioned above, but all those limitations are gone now. Technology is better, emulated servers can't charge, etc. As a result, there is no "limited boxing" option anymore: emulated servers have to chose between "let everyone box" or "let no one box".

If you let everyone box it will, unsurprisingly, result in a server where most people box. But when anyone new plays on such a server their reaction will inevitably be "this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

Now there is nothing wrong with 50 (or however many actual people the next most popular server has) all playing three characters at once, and if they have fun together then great ... but that's not what anyone's original EQ experience was. Project 1999 is the only emulated server which understands this critical fact.

If server A isn't like live EQ, and server B is, B is going to be wildly more successful, even if it makes incredibly unpopular decisions like never going past Velious. Think about that for a sec: the P99 people made a critical decision that has a huge impact on the server, and most of its player base disagrees with that decision, yet P99 is still the most popular emulated server! I can see no better explanation for that than the fact that (in large part because of their boxing policy) P99 resembles live EQ, while all the other emulated servers don't.

Well, no, that's the function of the 3 box limit, to represent Live, where you could box but it had a cost. I'll grant you that the hardware is immensely more powerful, but if we go down that trail then we'll all have to switch to modems, boxing or not. Live never had people with no lag, live never had people with ability to support insane resolutions, etc.
I still think your assumption that it is the single boxing fact that supports the entirety of P99's success to be not convincing. Did you read my earlier, longer post about that? I mean, you might be right but I don't think the argument has enough sample size and controls for all the other great things about P99 to really stand up.

[Izmael]

nothing wrong with luclin... not sure how you hate it..

- Player models
- Fugly mobs
- Boring lore
- No EQ feeling
- Retarded huge and boring zones (and if you played it back when it hit the live servers, some zones gave you 3-4 FPS at most with a reasonable computer).
- AAs that banalized all prior content
- Boring timesinks
- Boring ring events aimed solely at wasting people's time so VI had time to finish developing next expansion (read: get it to a point where it didn't immediately crash the servers upon bootup)


Other than that, a fine expansion.


There were a couple good things, I liked Ssra temple and a couple zones like the Deep (went exploring it as a guild the first day, great fun at the invisible bridge).

But overall it was terribad.

[Linkamus]

All good points Loramin. I prefer being able to box myself, but definitely see your point of view. Maybe one day when TAKP is completed someone will create an alternate mirror of the server that has a strict no boxing policy?

[Wonkie]

The classic AK experience was boxing

Beat it Loramin

[loramin]

The classic AK experience was boxing

Beat it Loramin

Classic EQ servers > classic AK server. Done.

[loramin]

Well, no, that's the function of the 3 box limit, to represent Live, where you could box but it had a cost.

Again, live was nothing like an emulated 3-box server. It simply wasn't, which is why anyone who played on live and visits an 3-box server is going to think:

"this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

[Wonkie]

it's not trying to be classic. it's trying to be classic AK.

now scram kid

[fadetree]

That's fine for your personal opinion, I suppose.

[loramin]

it's not trying to be classic. it's trying to be classic AK.

now scram kid

Oh, you're talking about a specific server. Again, I didn't mean to attack any particular server, I meant to bemoan the fact that no one except P99 wants to make a server that's actually like how EQ (not AK EQ) was.

[fadetree]

He's not being immature, he's just arguing back. It's legit. I don't agree with him, but he's not doing anything out of hand I don't think.

[loramin]

That's fine for your personal opinion, I suppose.

Is it your opinion that 50+% of people boxed on live? Is it your opinion that a server where most people box feels the same as live EQ used to?

Obviously I have my own pretty clear opinion, but I'm curious about yours: fundamentally do you agree with the idea that "one server is like live EQ, the other server isn't"?

[fadetree]

Did you read my longer, earlier post on the subject?
You are ignoring all the other 'basic facts' and coming to an unsupported conclusion. I said you *might* be right, but you seemed like you were claiming it was obvious you were, and that's not true.

[Wonkie]

He's not being immature, he's just arguing back. It's legit. I don't agree with him, but he's not doing anything out of hand I don't think.

i know. this is just part of his training!

[Irulan]

In defense of boxing, servers didn't have a 50 pop back then either. Also people didn't know what they were doing at all, people randomly roamed the Karanas unlocking their corpses for bards to loot precious bronze armor and fine steel from via /consent. Saying, re-creating a classic EQ experience is hard too impossible at best with a low population. But that's all the rest I have to say.

God Bless Haynar, and u guys are great over at TAKP but I still think automation is inevitably unavoidable and a huge turn off to delicate shit flowers such as myself. You shouldn't be selling your server to ppl like me. U should be selling it to the P99 raidscene.

[loramin]

Did you read my longer, earlier post on the subject?
You are ignoring all the other 'basic facts' and coming to an unsupported conclusion.

Not sure which one specifically you're referring to, and it's kind of lame to be like "go back through five pages of stuff and figure out exactly which sentence I want you to re-read"; just use the quote function ;)

I said you *might* be right, but you seemed like you were claiming it was obvious you were, and that's not true.

Oh, well I definitely have a bad habit of hyperbalizing, using metaphors when I should use similes, and things like that, so it's very possible I overstated my position and you are in fact correct (my opinion was subjective not objective).

[loramin]

In defense of boxing, servers didn't have a 50 pop back then either. But that's all I have to say.

This is true, and emulated servers do have a "chicken and egg" problem with population when they first start. Obviously P99 overcame that, but I don't mean to make it sound like it's easy to get a healthy population going without allowing boxing, because I'm sure it's not.

[fadetree]

Yeah, it's an interesting point. Part of the issue I think is that there's been kind of a sea of emulators out there. I never seriously played any of them besides P99 and TAKP, but from what I gather they were all pretty heavily modified and/or were from an era after PoP when many people, myself included, stopped liking the easymode direction that EQ had gone.
So, there was a lot of built up desire to experience EQ as it actually was during the era when most of us thought it was at it's greatest. I actually tried Dalaya and like 1 other one for a brief time, and they were unrecognizable as EQ beyond the superficial setting, and I did not enjoy them.
So when P99 started up it's goal matched a whole lot of people's desires, and its brilliant execution and attention to detail really made a name for itself. People could log on and really feel like they just logged into live in 1999. I personally think that it was not so much the 'no boxing!' that made P99 so popular (although it helped) as just that it was done extremely well and appeared at the right time. So a population built up, and developed it's own cultural views on many things, including boxing.
I think that if P99 had started with limited boxing at that same time, it would not have prevented the player base growth in any significant way. That's just an opinion. But now there's a really strong cultural bias against boxing on P99, and that's fine. I like P99 a lot. But I also think there's a lot of people who liked PoP a lot, and who liked boxing as a fallback to standing around LFG on a short play time frame. A lot of us are much older now and don't have hours and hours to play.
I guess the 'bot armies' thing was a problem in live, although I never noticed it much, but that was supported with ShowEQ, external macros, and no limit to the number of boxes. If Live discouraged boxing, it was in word only, I never saw anyone I knew get in trouble for boxing.
So I guess to look at the emu landscape and say 'wow, boxing kills servers' based on the 1 example of P99 is not a completely convincing argument. P99 has many other things going for it, including the time at which it got started, era accuracy, and excellent devs and regulation, which are also missing from a lot of the other emus both past and present. You could as well say "wow, not sticking to accuracy and not running a tight ship kills servers'. Also keep in mind there's a limited number of people who are even interested in EQ compared to the general population, and P99 has a large part of them already invested in it.
I think that once TAKP drops luclin and starts working on PoP, the population will slowly ramp up, especially as more people start to confirm the things about TAKP that attracted and keep me playing there.

Okie dokie.

[Linkamus]

I don't think Loramin is trying to pick on TAKP so much as just venting his frustration concerning the fact that other than p99 there aren't really any strict no boxing emus. Which I can empathize with. As someone who now loves boxing, I have my pick of the litter (TAKP being the best choice!). However if there was only one emu with boxing allowed, I can see how not having many options would suck.

[fadetree]

Yeah, I didn't think he was picking on TAKP either, just pushing his hypothesis and as you said, probably irritated about the lack of other emus that have the same restriction.

[loramin]

You are both correct, and again I'm not trying to pick on TAKP or anyone else, except to be like "you guys could be so much cooler and more successful ... why don't you want to be cooler and more successful!?!" ;)
Okie dokie.

I actually tried Dalaya and like 1 other one for a brief time, and they were unrecognizable as EQ beyond the superficial setting, and I did not enjoy them.

Totally; like I said people want to play the EQ they remember.

I personally think that it was not so much the 'no boxing!' that made P99 so popular (although it helped) as just that it was done extremely well and appeared at the right time.

I agree there's no way to suss out exactly what percentage of P99's success came from what. But I do think it's very difficult to argue with this statement: "P99's success came primarily from the fact that it did an excellent job of reminding people of live" ... and a key piece (who knows what percentage) of that was actually having (like live EQ) other players playing the game with you, instead of with themselves and their two alts.

I also think there's a lot of people who liked PoP a lot

I do too, and so do many others ... which makes it all the more incredible that even though just about every other server offers PoP, it's the server that doesn't which has 10x the population.

Surely part of that is the incredible customer service (and staff in general), but I think you're really missing something if you ignore that P99 has actual people playing with others, and other servers have boxers.

You could as well say "wow, not sticking to accuracy and not running a tight ship kills servers'.

Amen, and I'm sure it does. There's more than one way to fail a server :)

I think that once TAKP drops luclin and starts working on PoP, the population will slowly ramp up

And this is where we simply disagree, and we'll have to wait for time to prove who's right. If you're right and empty-feeling servers aren't the problem, TAKP will take off. If I'm right, and the most important thing to people is playing on a server that resembles live (and that means boxing at levels of <10%) then it won't matter what expansions TAKP adds, because it won't solve the fundamental problem that their server isn't like the ones everyone remembers.

[Irulan]

p99 was an early adopter and one of the earlier boxes on the scene, i remember sitting around in quake3 deathmatches and ppl were emailing me about p99 coming online

it got free population

it evolved into something nice, but if takp and p99 rolled at the same time, takp would have stomped p99 especially if both had no boxing rules.

but takp wouldn't exist without ppl from p99 probably either.

u can't have a chicken without an egg

[Linkamus]

Takp population will go up, and is going up. Could it go up even more with a strict no-boxing policy? Sure, perhaps, but we will never know for sure because there's no way it's going to change at this point. Changing to a 2 box limit even I think would cause the r&f forum to descend into madness.

[Irulan]

Takp population will go up, and is going up. Could it go up even more with a strict no-boxing policy? Sure, perhaps, but we will never know for sure because there's no way it's going to change at this point. Changing to a 2 box limit even I think would cause the r&f forum to descend into madness.

The best way to increase population of takp would be for blue99 to have it's plug pulled. Can't someone hack in and corrupt the drive tables via an fdisk or writing directly to the boot partitions?

I doubt rogean has offsite backups of ppls characters going back more than a few hrs.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda

[fadetree]

Fair enough, I guess we'll see.

If I'm right, and the most important thing to people is playing on a server that resembles live (and that means boxing at levels of <10%) then it won't matter what expansions TAKP adds, because it won't solve the fundamental problem that their server isn't like the ones everyone remembers.

You don't know what the actual boxing levels were, neither do I. 10 is probably close enough during certain time frames. What we disagree on here is what causes the subjective 'this is like live' feeling and what could spoil it. That is for each person. There's a common subset, and there's things that bother specific people. I do not need to have very low levels of boxing to trigger my 'this is like live' feels.

Anyways, really good discussion and we'll see what we see.

[fadetree]

The best way to increase population of takp would be for blue99 to have it's plug pulled. Can't someone hack in and corrupt the drive tables via an fdisk or writing directly to the boot partitions?

I doubt rogean has offsite backups of ppls characters going back more than a few hrs.

I hope this is a joke.

[loramin]

Anyways, really good discussion

[Irulan]

I hope this is a joke.

It's a hypothetical. I wouldn't want to see someone go to jail for it under the computer fraud and abuse act of 1986

[loramin]

Can't someone hack in and corrupt the drive tables via an fdisk or writing directly to the boot partitions?

If I could hack in to P99 I wouldn't destroy anything, I'd just steal their database and use it to start a "P99 that goes through PoP" server that's way more classically accurate than it needs to be ... with no boxing of course ;)

[Izmael]

Very few people boxed back on live before Velious was out. With Velious and advent of EQW people started boxing some more, but still probably.. under 5% of people boxed on a regular basis.

[Irulan]

Accidents happen! !? I will be praying for P99.

[Erati]

If I could hack in to P99 I wouldn't destroy anything, I'd just steal their database and use it to start a "P99 that goes through PoP" server that's way more classically accurate than it needs to be ... with no boxing of course ;)

Non-instanced Plane of Time on P99 would be incredible.

Quarm COTH race anyone?

[Haynar]

Even if EQ sunsets (blame the russians), takp will never have a huge population. The client is older and no mouse scroll wheel. Its population is self regulating.

If you play on p99 or any other emu server. You will hate the takp client.

If you are on the fence? Stay there?

Luclin + old client >> Velious.. forever. Imho.

[Patriam1066]

If I could hack in to P99 I wouldn't destroy anything, I'd just steal their database and use it to start a "P99 that goes through PoP" server that's way more classically accurate than it needs to be ... with no boxing of course ;)

Hey dude plz do this thanks and God bless

[Baler]

Luclin + old client >> Velious.. forever. Imho.

https://i.imgur.com/xxmN5P1.gif

I like takp but I love p99. :o

[Haynar]

WTB Red luclin server

$250k

And I bet even nilbog would help make it.

[Vormotus]

- Player models
- Fugly mobs
- Boring lore
- No EQ feeling
- Retarded huge and boring zones (and if you played it back when it hit the live servers, some zones gave you 3-4 FPS at most with a reasonable computer).
- AAs that banalized all prior content
- Boring timesinks
- Boring ring events aimed solely at wasting people's time so VI had time to finish developing next expansion (read: get it to a point where it didn't immediately crash the servers upon bootup)


Other than that, a fine expansion.


There were a couple good things, I liked Ssra temple and a couple zones like the Deep (went exploring it as a guild the first day, great fun at the invisible bridge).

But overall it was terribad.


You and me ... we might be related ... we think alike! :)

Yep, completely agree on all points, also the fact it was the first expansion that veered from the classical eq feeling. It was a bit kinda pulled out from the bottom of a hat , further xpacs down the line, it was "meh ish" but then GoD went live and I was like ... wow, they really are not even bothering at all.

So yeah, Velious is for me the end of everquest.

[Torven]

Hit F9 once. Hold alt while pressing up key to zoom out more. Now you have a third person camera in the old client. It's worse than mouse zoom, but perfectly usable.

[Irulan]

I don't get why people have to see their characters. It makes me dysphoric.

[Baler]

I don't get why people have to see their characters. It makes me dysphoric.

360 pov