War stat priority?

[pijan]

Tried to read up on the wiki but I found some conflicting information. Is AC just the God stat for tanking? I guess against casters hp and saves are better, but generally should I just be prioritizing ac? There was something on the wiki about strength being the best warrior stat is this accurate?

Does it change based on situation? I do a lot of duoing currently so I need to have some decent damage output while being tanky, but in a group where I don't need dps does stat priority change?

Sorry for so many questions but I find this very confusing.

[bigjeff100]

I always thought HP was more important in end game raiding since you'll always have cleric CH around.. But i thought with the typical leveling and grinding, that AC was a bit more important.. Having too many HP's makes it tough for any healers without CH, which is usually only a problem in those levels before clerics get CH...

[Robbintha Hood]

I would say that Stamina and HP should be your priority, especially late game. AC is an important stat as well, but I think it takes a backseat to Stamina and HP.

[bigjeff100]

To me strength is important in the beginning. But once you get some decent gear, it's super easy to max that stat out and takes a back seat... But yeah at first strength is super important haha, melee aside- I can carry more junk to sell haha.

[Pint]

its important to have high charisma or you wont get any groups and will have to solo to 60

[pijan]

its important to have high charisma or you wont get any groups and will have to solo to 60

Does the charisma help me talk the monsters out of punching me in the face?

[klw]

The importance of AC varies greatly depending on what you fight; on easier mobs you'll already mitigate great so adding more does nothing. Similarly some mobs will have such high attack that you'd have to stack a nearly impossible amount of AC to get even the slightest amount of mitigation.

It is only when you are already mitigating moderately well that adding or subtracting AC will make a difference.

[definitely not Draconite]

This was the best summary I've heard on this subject.

There is only ever a narrow margin on a continuum in which adding AC is useful.

There are mobs where you are already mitigating as well as you possibly can, so adding more AC is useless (velious geared vs lvl 1 skeleton).

There are mobs where you aren't even close to mitigating, so adding more AC is useless (cloth geared vs Avatar of War).

So adding more AC is only really useful against a mob where you are either already mitigating reasonably (but not at peak), or against a mob where you are at the precipce of being able to mitigate.

Likewise removing AC will only make a difference against mobs where you are partially mitigating or at the precipice of max mitigation.

[elwing]

Also hp helps with ae and spells, ac doesn't...

[klw]

This was the best summary I've heard on this subject.

That's what I said, 'not dr aconite!'

[Foxplay]

Best stat warriors can get is +fashion to make people jealous

Make sure to pick iksar as their base fashion stat is the highest

[Troxx]

AC vs HP decisions on p99 are generally pretty straightforward. On live after PoP I used a 10:1 ratio heavily favoring ac but in classic era timeline ac doesn’t seem to be nearly as potent.

For stats I shoot for a minimum always of str/agi: 85 agility (to swap in fungi), 150 strength. These benchmarks are easily met at the high level and once they’re met I tend to not bother considering these stats when making decisions.

This leaves stamina and dexterity.

I personally favor dexterity and will likely always. Some may balk at the idea ... but I lean towards 3dex to 1stam ratio. My magelo is below. My reasoning is pretty simple, at my gear and hp level my performance in groups and lower tier raids is not held back by a lack of hp but by threat. My goal is to hit 190 unbuffed dex so a single shaman buff has me maxed or close to it. Dex + focus stack would have me capped at 130-135 unbuffed dex but I don’t always have it. If I’ve done my best to maximize my threat, my group and raid mates are more free to do the things they need to.

If and when I jump into higher tier raiding, both dexterity and stamina will be easier to come by.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Bedavir

I’ve got some crappy pieces that sorely need upgrading, but I think I’m doing well for a tank that has yet to attend anything better than a Kael plate house or Kael arena run.

[definitely not Draconite]

That's what I said, 'not dr aconite!'

don't take me ignoring you personally. if you notice on these forums no one pays attention to what other people say, they just want to give their opinion.

[pijan]

Appreciate all the input. Seems like the consensus is Stam and hp over AC for the majority of content. After that would it be dex then str since pros so critical for warrior?

[skarlorn]

Make sure to pick iksar as their base fashion stat is the highest

no

[trite]

Appreciate all the input. Seems like the consensus is Stam and hp over AC for the majority of content. After that would it be dex then str since pros so critical for warrior?

Leveling through the 50s , having max dex in groups is ideal because it ensures you proc as much as possible. At 60, having 205 STA unbuffed is important for raiding, so that all shamans can max your STA with their +50sta buff (rarely a shaman will have PE hammer for an extra 20 stamina).... In the end game most of the best HP gear has sufficient AC such that there aren't other items with considerably more AC you would be tempted to consider.

What you want really changes with what level range you are in:

1-40ish Just decent twink gear, the proc weapons aren't as good / consistent agroe as some just good raw ratio twink weapons available (especially with weak buffs not maxing your dex out). Just have good weapons + haste and decent gear otherwise with some HP rings.

50 - 59 Dexterity ....you will be dependent on procing weapons for agroe, you will have enough HP to survive fights , dexterity become your most important stat

60 205sta unbuffed then HP all the way

[bigjeff100]

I ditched my incarnadine boots for champion boots mainly cause of the AC part.. Was this a stupid decision?

[pijan]

Leveling through the 50s , having max dex in groups is ideal because it ensures you proc as much as possible. At 60, having 205 STA unbuffed is important for raiding, so that all shamans can max your STA with their +50sta buff (rarely a shaman will have PE hammer for an extra 20 stamina).... In the end game most of the best HP gear has sufficient AC such that there aren't other items with considerably more AC you would be tempted to consider.

What you want really changes with what level range you are in:

1-40ish Just decent twink gear, the proc weapons aren't as good / consistent agroe as some just good raw ratio twink weapons available (especially with weak buffs not maxing your dex out). Just have good weapons + haste and decent gear otherwise with some HP rings.

50 - 59 Dexterity ....you will be dependent on procing weapons for agroe, you will have enough HP to survive fights , dexterity become your most important stat

60 205sta unbuffed then HP all the way

Fantastic. Thank you so very much for the detailed post.

[polishanarchy]

I ditched my incarnadine boots for champion boots mainly cause of the AC part.. Was this a stupid decision?

Honestly I'd wear barbed dragonscale boots over both of those options

As far as stats go I'd generally agree STA to 205 then HP. Tend to get good AC items just by chasing the high HP items but I don't really think I'd sacrifice HP for AC by choice.

[beargryllz]

Hit points

[Raev]

The last time I parsed, which was over a year ago, AC worked quite well. IIRC I guesstimated it as -5% max hits per 100 displayed AC. So when I parsed Sakuragi vs Derakor the Vindicator, he was getting hit for max in the 25-30% range, vs the poor fashionquest/low AC (halfling) warriors who were eating max hits 35-40%. This is a pretty big deal, since max hits are what get you killed in a CH rotation. Good AC also helps while evasive, which is your bread and butter leveling disc. I'd value 1 AC as at least 3-4 HP.

If you are duoing, presumably with a shaman, your best defense is a pair of blood points. You shouldn't need any heals with regrowth, a pair of blood points, and maybe a fungi vs slowed mobs. AC will help you, max HP won't.

I'd definitely give some weight to dexterity but I don't know of any big options there, where you can get say +15 dex for 30 HP or something (note that the dex from the blue epic will always give fewer procs than an actual proccing weapon). Sakuragi mostly relies on double shaman dex.

[Topgunben]

The last time I parsed, which was over a year ago, AC worked quite well. IIRC I guesstimated it as -5% max hits per 100 displayed AC. So when I parsed Sakuragi vs Derakor the Vindicator, he was getting hit for max in the 25-30% range, vs the poor fashionquest/low AC (halfling) warriors who were eating max hits 35-40%. This is a pretty big deal, since max hits are what get you killed in a CH rotation. Good AC also helps while evasive, which is your bread and butter leveling disc. I'd value 1 AC as at least 3-4 HP.

If you are duoing, presumably with a shaman, your best defense is a pair of blood points. You shouldn't need any heals with regrowth, a pair of blood points, and maybe a fungi vs slowed mobs. AC will help you, max HP won't.

I'd definitely give some weight to dexterity but I don't know of any big options there, where you can get say +15 dex for 30 HP or something (note that the dex from the blue epic will always give fewer procs than an actual proccing weapon). Sakuragi mostly relies on double shaman dex.

How often do dual blood points proc in a minute at level 50?