First to 52 (almost 53) and back to 51

[Adorean]

I camped Zahal the Vile for 4 months to collect enough guts to get me to 52 on opening day. Got booted from the server before I could hit 53 and then deleveled by a GM in Karnors back to 51.
Been fun but I'm outta here.. no you can't have my stuff cause I already gave it all away in EC!

Have fun in Kunark guys

Ado

[Gorgetrapper]

You will be missed Adorean.

[Hobby]

Do you not feel like this method of leveling was...abusing game mechanics? I am pretty sure if that quest was meant to give that much XP, more than 1 person would of been there doing it. However, that quest was never a means to level from 51 to 52 to almost 53 in under what, an hour?


What, maybe level 60 in 5 hours, depending on how many items you had farmed?

[Volsic]

?

What was the reasoning for this?

[dredge]

lol, you guys and your sprint mentality :)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhDjVwR-Yu3esKU1KOgsgAx3232kJSowos41_dAPjdT-ki8k1lXQ&t=1

[whitebandit]

it seems just like any other crushbone belt quest to me, but what do i know.. it is your call..

-- never done, nor did i know about, the quest though

[Sponge]

Pretty sure if the quest wasn't meant to give that much xp then it wouldn't be set to give that much xp.....

[Volsic]

Yeah, I dunno... I mean, we do it with CB belts and bonechips. I don't see how this is different just because he's higher level. I didn't know about the quest either.

I love the server and I think you guys do a great job, but unless there's missing info, I have to disagree with you on this one Hobby. Not that that means much :)

[Hobby]

You're correct. Coding hundreds and hundreds of quests, mechanics, pathing, item dropping...yadda yadda, means that we never make mistakes.



Such as the construct hands in karnors dropping 200k plat gold copper and silver each time.

Obviously that was meant to be the case!



And it is not the same. The xp difference between level 1 and 2, and level 51 and 52 is not even comparable. People have been constantly killing and xping at full grind since kunark opened... I think the most someone has is 3 bulbs of yellow? Why would a single quest give 500x the xp rate? Go look up the quest, no one has ever mentionde it being a way to level. In fact, people mostly mentioned it being a huge waste of time.


Its a bug, thats the end of the story. Good luck in your adventures.

[Volsic]

Well, if it was a mistake, then I can understand your stance. If it is a valid quest though, I disagree with it.

[whitebandit]

Ii this is a new quest, the story i guess is a bit different..

[Dr4z3r]

If no one knew about it being a way to level, then why would he have camped items for 4 months in order to get that quest?

Are you saying he predicted 4 months ago that this particular quest would erroneously give too much exp? That seems a little far-fetched.

[Hobby]

Listen, its a simple concept. Abusing a bug to advance in levels super fast, faster than what is reasonable, is not allowed.

Stop arguing and trying to defend him.

[Adorean]

I'm not sure if it's a bug. It's been there for ever and it was a way to level. The guts are a pain to get.. figure if you're lucky you might get 1 a day. The only reason it was viable as a way to level is we've had nothing better to do for the last 6 months.

It's not an efficient way to level if there are mobs to kill that give you exp. It's only efficient if you have nothing better to do for months on end. Rather than farm SMR's I decided to farm Zahal. So instead of having a bazillion plat in the bank I had a ton of quest items that would allow me to level.

No biggy guys. I had fun.. I just feel like a bit of a douche for wasting all that time farming him and all the time finding and submitting bugs in beta.

[Jigga]

yeah sucks. If it was mass expolited i would say remove the quest exp and delvl but if its one person than its no biggy. Kind of like was it intended for the rare loot to be dropping as much as it was tonight at first? Nope, instead of removing all the loot they just did a quick patch and reduced the drop rate

[Zeelot]

It took him a long time to do that quest. Probably longer than it would take to level by grinding exp. He just had it done in advance is all. I don't see how that's an exploit.

[saucer]

I am sorry, but if this person spent months collecting these things they deserve the levels for being clever and finding a quest where this was possible.

Think about it, people also spend tons of time camping seafuries to get 1k a day, yet a guy created a lvl 1 today and got scimitar of mistwalker, thex dagger and guise screwing around in toxx forest killing snakes.

These are comparable situations, and they either should both be accepted or both not be accepted.

edit: In fact, the worse situation is the guy who created the level 1 and spent an evening in toxx. he invested much less time for far greater reward

[Jigga]

Its not, its just the product of knowing what lies ahead. Similar to rogs having their robes collected for epics. Similar to people camping and hording smr for when the hole opens up.

[zianlo1]

That whole dev favortism thing again, aint it! Conspiracy! And yeah, My vote = he did the time for the leveling over a period of months, he just waited to turn the quest in til it gave him xp. No different than people doing the same with bone chips to get faction with cabilis or (if cb belts/pads were stackable) the same with crushbone belts and shoulderpads as mentioned already.

There is no difference in the way the quest was done and completed other than the level difference. Sometimes the devs are right, but this isnt one of them, Hobby.

[Sponge]

It's like going to college, you know it'll take awhile but in the end it will pay off.

[Adorean]

Funny you should mention the Hole.. I had a ton of potions from the golem saved up too. At any rate don't worry about it guys. I saved the stuff up to be the first 52 and I did that. I had a feeling that it would cause the exact reaction from the GMs that it did. No big deal most of Legacy of Steel has moved on to Rift so I'll be doing my thing over there. I had a great time here and will miss many of you on the server cause you're awesome guys. I've already dumped all my cash and gear off to the guys hangin in EC so no reason to raise a fuss. Hobby's got enough on his plate.

Enjoy Kunark while you can!

Ado

[Hobby]

The difference is the quest was giving a bugged xp factor. If the quest was behaving like it SHOULD be, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That is the thing you people keep overlooking...it was a bugged quest.

Im done trying to explain it to you people....you are obviously incapable of understanding this.

Like i said, Good luck in your travels Adorean. You are more than welcome to contiune playing here if you change your mind.

[Ongbak]

I think Hobby had no problem of collecting quest items ie... CB Belts, but the issue was the "XP REWARDS" was bugged and it was given too much more than expected?

That's how I understood. Never done the quest myself, it just how I read it.

[Rogean]

I was not involved in the decision to delevel Adorean, but I do have one statement. You ARE doing something that you know is questionable.. is it so hard to make a post in the petition forum saying "Hey guys I wanted to check with you before I spent time farming this item for mass turn ins, would it be acceptable or would I be exploiting a quest possibly giving too much experience?"

In that case if we had either not responded or said sure go ahead, the fault would be ours. If we said no don't do that and/or fixed the quest, you wouldn't have spent months farming the item.

I've been trying to get this mentality across to the raiding guilds for over a year now. If your going to pull a tactic on a raid boss that is questionable (hello rez pulling, pet tanking, mob leashing), is it REALLY so hard to make a post in the petition forum asking if its acceptable before just doing it and possibly facing repercussions?

[Uthgaard]

The quest is not supposed to give the amount of xp that it was giving. There is a big difference between investing time into preparation for Kunark, and abusing a quest that is giving far too much experience.

[Sat Mar 26 00:14:26 2011] Adorean tells the guild, 'i spoiled their night by out thinking them'
[Sat Mar 26 00:17:04 2011] Pescador tells the guild, 'yeah... i wonder if they are permanently disabling exp from that quest'
[Sat Mar 26 00:17:07 2011] Adorean tells the guild, 'nah...'
[Sat Mar 26 00:17:15 2011] Adorean tells the guild, 'they're not that smart'

And you knew that's what you were doing. Bragging about exploiting it is what got you delevelled. Let's not pretend we're some victimized martyr.

[Rogean]

Also to add... I did something similar on EQLive on the Combine server when Omens of War unlocked. Without going into too much detail, we delevelled from 65 to 46 and shakerpaged to 65, then used Expedient Recovery to instant rez ourselves to level 70 when the expansion opened.

Guess what I did before hand?

Http://www.rogean.com/images/shakerreview.png

No response even to this day, so we went ahead and did it.