View Full Version : Must kill Brother Jentry to hold Lucan camp?
Epyon
08-28-2018, 05:30 PM
Is it required to kill Brother Jentry to hold the Sir Lucan D`Lere camp?
I cant find any rules that are unique to this camp and I have a player insisting that this is the case. Being my first time here I would like to ask you all rather than blindly trust this guy.
Thanks for your time.
Kesselring
08-28-2018, 05:37 PM
I would say thats it's only fair if u get there early you need to kill brother jentry and the other guard over and over to keep the camp. Otherwise people would just go there, FD, and claim the camp and thats not very fair now would it be?
Epyon
08-28-2018, 05:42 PM
From what I understand outdoor camps are 1 spawn only. If this camp has unique rules im all for it and glad to follow, but im not interested in percieved fairness or unfairness of a action.
Jan Jensen
08-28-2018, 05:45 PM
Yes, the camp requires you to sit there and kill Jentry every 7 minutes.
Epyon
08-28-2018, 05:50 PM
Another in game player seems to know about the "brother rule" so it seems to be common enough knowledge so it works for me. Thanks for your help Kess and Jan.
Nuggets
08-28-2018, 05:52 PM
ask loce
Brocode
08-28-2018, 07:07 PM
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2666921&postcount=146
First line after quote, your welcome.
Epyon
08-28-2018, 08:19 PM
Thanks Brocode! Exactly what i was looking for.
aaezil
08-28-2018, 11:01 PM
Yay for not clearly presented rules... Been asking for clarification/easy to find rules in multiple threads and in petition forums and no change to date...
Foxplay
08-28-2018, 11:17 PM
So many nice people helping paladins get their SoulFire on p99... Really just the best people
Frudrura
08-28-2018, 11:59 PM
lol what the fuck, why would you need to kill Brother Jentry?
I guess maybe if you have to make up some kind of a rule. I always knew time of death so I just logged in, pulled, and killed.
Kesselring
08-29-2018, 12:18 AM
lol what the fuck, why would you need to kill Brother Jentry?
I guess maybe if you have to make up some kind of a rule. I always knew time of death so I just logged in, pulled, and killed.
Not made up rules, this is what was told by GM's whenever someone petitions, word of mouth spreads or people dont believe that word of mouth and petition then get the same response.
Just like how vilefang is a camp and if you are there first killing the entropy serpents then vilefang is your camp.
skarlorn
08-29-2018, 12:41 AM
So many nice people helping paladins get their SoulFire on p99... Really just the best people
zodium
08-29-2018, 01:47 AM
I helped a nice paladin get his Soulfire just yesterday when I saw Lucan standing around. Metalgar, I think! :o
Slave35
08-30-2018, 12:38 AM
I helped a nice paladin get his Soulfire just yesterday when I saw Lucan standing around. Metalgar, I think! :o
That guy is solid.
Phenyo
08-30-2018, 07:51 AM
So many nice people helping paladins get their SoulFire on p99... Really just the best people
whats stopping the paladin doing the camp himself? A soulfire benefits an entire raid force of 40+ people whereas a paladin epic benefits one person, could be argued that the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few
danzig
08-30-2018, 09:38 AM
lol what the fuck, why would you need to kill Brother Jentry?
I guess maybe if you have to make up some kind of a rule. I always knew time of death so I just logged in, pulled, and killed.
It’s really a shame that if someone kills Jentry once they can prevent a hero from swooping in and luring Lucan away to certain death at the nearest zone line. It’s how legends do it :cool:
Frudrura
08-30-2018, 05:34 PM
The way I see it is if I log in, and see someone at the camp, I ask them if they are camping Lucan, they say yes, I leave. If I log in, and I don't see anyone there, I pull Lucan and kill. It isn't a big deal. I am not trying to screw anyone.
radda
08-30-2018, 05:51 PM
Log in sooner, kill jentry and Lucan is yours
Sadiki
08-31-2018, 03:48 PM
Well, technically I was the one that killed this Lucan, because I joined the guy who had the camp and he had to leave before Lucan ever spawned. :/
But, to people who think it's hidden rules and whatnot - it's not like that if you just look at the big picture. For anything, you have to be in a camp and killing things and prove you're actually playing the game. Otherwise you could just flop in the room for a week and claim it - which people try to do - and that's a much bigger problem. These rules aren't really as insane as people make them out to be. Definitely a lesser evil in the grand scheme of P99 rules.
Maliant
08-31-2018, 05:47 PM
I don't always agree with Mr. Sadiki, but in this case I agree with him for the same reason.
Epyon
08-31-2018, 07:19 PM
But, to people who think it's hidden rules and whatnot - it's not like that if you just look at the big picture. For anything, you have to be in a camp and killing things and prove you're actually playing the game. Otherwise you could just flop in the room for a week and claim it - which people try to do - and that's a much bigger problem. These rules aren't really as insane as people make them out to be. Definitely a lesser evil in the grand scheme of P99 rules.
I have zero issue with the following the rule now that i know it exist. At the time, I doubted the rule existed becuase it didnt follow the same rules as other similar camps. I assumed there would be some consistancy with the rules and was mistaken and happly left the camp once I found out my assumptions were wrong.
I still think the rule is silly, becuase it is an effective nerf for FD classes and people who havent ruined their faction yet, but rules are rules.
aaezil
08-31-2018, 07:21 PM
It is a hidden rule no matter how you try to spin it though
aaezil
08-31-2018, 07:22 PM
Per the server rules that are non hidden outdoor zone = you can camp one (1) mob/ph. Doesnt say anything about lucan or jentry. Per the hidden rules you must kill jentry (and the other guy?) to claim 1 outdoor mob
Swish2
08-31-2018, 07:37 PM
I think what's needed here are more rules. Players are at home with more rules, only to complain about them when they aren't in their favor later on :o
Pringles
08-31-2018, 07:50 PM
Lucan had a 7 day respawn back in classic days just be thankful it's only 7 hours.
Doctor Jeff
08-31-2018, 07:57 PM
Why would you have to kill unrelated mobs to maintain this camp?
You don't have to kill every sarnak in the room when you are trying to get your Jade Chokidai Prod for an HS key....
Castigate
08-31-2018, 10:04 PM
Isn't Brother Jentry tied to Lucan? If I remember correctly he will follow on anyone agroed to Lucan even if you calm/blur him until Lucan dies from any range right? Doesn't that make him part of the camp, and not an unrelated mob, no matter how you slice it?
If I'm wrong please correct me.
aaezil
09-01-2018, 12:49 AM
I think what's needed here are more rules. Players are at home with more rules, only to complain about them when they aren't in their favor later on :o
^ Hopelessly missing the point here. The point isnt more rules are needed the point is there are currently 2 sets of rules in effect on the server the published public rules and the rules hidden in 40 page threads. Until all rules are merged into one easy to find place then gms will continue to have these kinds of issues ( threads like this/people not knowing that x camp or raid area has a specific ruleset that is different than the published easy to find ruleset, arguments IG that lead to petitions, etc, etc... )
Its just a simple suggestion so that when people go into a new area they know up front what they are getting into without having to dial a rules lawyer or read 40 page 9 year old threads to find the ruling...
Swish2
09-01-2018, 01:14 AM
^ Hopelessly missing the point here.
Not at all. If there's one constant in the history of the forums it's people wanting more rules, or more clarity on existing rules... only to bend them at will when it comes to "interpreting" them as "the wording is unclear (based on what I'm trying to achieve)" ;)
If Brother Jentry isn't engaged in 15 seconds after spawning, do you lose the camp? Or is it 30 seconds? I engaged at 23.2 seconds after he spawned as I didn't know and you looked afk - can we make a deal? Surely I can't be banned for that? There's rules on these things, right?
How deep does the rabbit hole go? Where do you want to stop on specifics? Do we get to a point where the rules are tuned per staff intervention down to a point where you can FTE someone else's camp after X time? Were they not sitting exactly in the spot where they should be? Was there a pet parked there and they were OUTSIDE the spawn room and should be DQ'd?
You might think that's splitting hairs, but that's exactly the mentality of someone looking to take over your camp is looking for when petitioning...and if a codified set of rules says something in their favor, you bet they'll use it if it can be interpreted to their advantage.
gkmarino
09-01-2018, 02:13 AM
Isn't Brother Jentry tied to Lucan? If I remember correctly he will follow on anyone agroed to Lucan even if you calm/blur him until Lucan dies from any range right? Doesn't that make him part of the camp, and not an unrelated mob, no matter how you slice it?
If I'm wrong please correct me.Yes Jentry is linked to Lucan as if he was a pet.. think Temple Guardian + Vindi, no harmony/calm will stop Jentry from helping Lucan.
whats stopping the paladin doing the camp himself? A soulfire benefits an entire raid force of 40+ people whereas a paladin epic benefits one person, could be argued that the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few
I remember when I needed soulfire charges to down 20 year old content mobs with a 60 man raid force
zodium
09-01-2018, 04:36 AM
Server need only one rules: don't be a dicks. :o
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