P99 is not like classic and here is why

[kennymack007]

As a new player I have a few characters now, my highest being a 25 rogue.

As a new player it is retardedly hard to find a group.

East Commonlands is full of people soloing.

I went to Crushbone and the entire place was being camped by people Soloing.

Unrest is the first dungeon where I could actually count on getting a group in the evening.

You see, this server has been around for too long. Everyone is playing Alts with thousands of plat worth of gear and just soloing into their late teens or early 20's. This really fucking sucks for us new players.

Either start playing with other people or reset the damn server. Because this IS NOT HOW CLASSIC WAS. I have so many fond memories from Classic because people were so friendly and it was easy to find a group.

EDIT: Make sure to read the line in BOLD

[zodium]

Join Date: Sep 2014

[ScaringChildren]

Not everyone owns a Fungi.

Maybe you're looking in the wrong zones.

No groups for a level 25 in EC or Crushbone. Unrest has...one camp for a level 25.

Go to Mistmoore, High Keep or Upper Guk.

You'll find plenty of groups there.

[Ankou]

I prefer to solo(necro), but I get group/duo invites constantly. There are tons of people who would party up with you, be sure to turn LFG on.

[Connecticut]

Seems classic as fuck to me.

A In-era/classic server 9+months into velious there wouldn't be groups at the east commonland orc camp either.

[kennymack007]

what? No my 25 rogue doesn't have any issues anymore. It's trying to level a character from like level 5 to 16 that really sucks people! Everyone is soloing.

[kjs86z]

You sound mad.

[ScaringChildren]

what? No my 25 rogue doesn't have any issues anymore. It's trying to level a character from like level 5 to 16 that really sucks people! Everyone is soloing.

I'd say most people do 1-10 solo.

I also agree with you somewhat, as I clearly remember Orc 1 and Orc 2 being perma-camped by full groups pretty much back in '99.

You'll still see groups there though, they're just not as common.

Befallen, Crushbone, Oasis, and Kurns are all fairly populated with groups in that level range though.

[Randy]

Reset the Server. In 1.5 years, another player shows up complaining about that same thing. Every time someone complains, Reset the Server just for them.

I think this is an EQ with kunark/velious issue, not just the server itself. There is such a larger time sync between 50-60 than 1-50 that casual players end up there slogging away there instead of the putzing through the lower levels on alt, etc. So the server will always end up top heavy and PL'ing alts at lower levels.

[kennymack007]

Seems classic as fuck to me.

A In-era/classic server 9+months into velious there wouldn't be groups at the east commonland orc camp either.

That's funny because I remember the opposite. I started playing end of 1999 and into 2001 and I never had much trouble finding a group in the lowbie levels. And I DEFINITELY don't remember seeing this many twinks. I remember seeing my first twink back then and being amazed. Here on P99 Twinks are INFESTING the low level zones.

The most common response I get is "Sorry I AFK a lot, have to solo". I swear I have heard that about 10 times now. Well you sure couldn't solo if you were not a fucking twink so at least group and then when you have to AFK, say "I need to AFK for a couple minutes" It's not fucking rocket science.

[kennymack007]

Reset the Server. In 1.5 years, another player shows up complaining about that same thing. Every time someone complains, Reset the Server just for them.

I think this is an EQ with kunark/velious issue, not just the server itself. There is such a larger time sync between 50-60 than 1-50 that casual players end up there slogging away there instead of the putzing through the lower levels on alt, etc. So the server will always end up top heavy and PL'ing alts at lower levels.

Well if you wanted the server to really be all about the Classic feel, then yeah you would need to reset it after X years. But that was more or less just a sarcastic solution, the real solution here is for people to stop being assholes just because they have twinks.

[ScaringChildren]

And I DEFINITELY don't remember seeing this many twinks. I remember seeing my first twink back then and being amazed. Here on P99 Twinks are INFESTING the low level zones.

I remember back in '99 my friend "twinked" out his DE Warrior with a full set of Bronze armor and an Axe of the Iron Back.

The whole neighborhood thought he was a badass.

[Karthil]

the real solution here is for people to stop being assholes

This is a huge overreaction to a non-problem, and some advice you should follow yourself. Just because you don't like the fact that people solo or have low characters in high-end gear doesn't mean that anyone is doing anything wrong. Thinking they're all out there just ruining YOUR enjoyment of the game is just insanely egocentric and narrow minded.

Lots of people are adults with real lives, so the argument that they AFK often is likely true. And sometimes it's just easier to not have to tell people, or worry about if you're affecting them/getting them killed.

[kennymack007]

This is a huge overreaction to a non-problem, and some advice you should follow yourself. Just because you don't like the fact that people solo or have low characters in high-end gear doesn't mean that anyone is doing anything wrong. Thinking they're all out there just ruining YOUR enjoyment of the game is just insanely egocentric and narrow minded.

Lots of people are adults with real lives, so the argument that they AFK often is likely true. And sometimes it's just easier to not have to tell people, or worry about if you're affecting them/getting them killed.

:eek: I'm sorry but it's extremely frustrating. Sorry to overreact about this. Guess I'll just go kick rocks and play a different game. Because this is not how Classic was.

So maybe they should rebrand the server to "Classic everquest except it has been up for a long time and everyone that is low level is a twink and no they don't want to group because they are adults with real lives and that's your problem for not being able to solo until you can do Unrest or something".

Get real dude, it's a problem. Listen. Hi, I don't have twink gear, and I can't find anyone to group with because 9 out of 10 people online are Twinks. Are you calling me a lair? Then make a new character and don't twink and level up to 16. Tell me it's not a problem then.

[Lammy]

I'm sorry the free server hurt your feelings

[jacobar]

I'm sorry the free server hurt your feelings
^

[AkashicRecord]

I remember back in '99 my friend "twinked" out his DE Warrior with a full set of Bronze armor and an Axe of the Iron Back.

The whole neighborhood thought he was a badass.

Trembling in my Raw-hide Boots...

[Baylan295]

:eek: I'm sorry but it's extremely frustrating. Sorry to overreact about this. Guess I'll just go kick rocks and play a different game. Because this is not how Classic was.

So maybe they should rebrand the server to "Classic everquest except it has been up for a long time and everyone that is low level is a twink and no they don't want to group because they are adults with real lives and that's your problem for not being able to solo until you can do Unrest or something".

Get real dude, it's a problem. Listen. Hi, I don't have twink gear, and I can't find anyone to group with because 9 out of 10 people online are Twinks. Are you calling me a lair? Then make a new character and don't twink and level up to 16. Tell me it's not a problem then.

I don’t understand what solution you would like the staff to implement on its test server for the eventual “classic” server that will include proper time progression.

[kennymack007]

I'm sorry the free server hurt your feelings

You guys are just a bunch of assholes. You are probably one of those people that sit on your level 8 twink and look at that new player in OOC spamming "LFG" and think.. "welp sucks to be him, he better not start pulling my mobs though"

[Anderdale]

Quit making excuses and figure it out. I have no problem finding groups. I was in a MM group last night with my Druid and of the 6 of us only the rogue was twinked.

[kjs86z]

You guys are all just a bunch of assholes.

To be honest, you came here asking for it.

Don't like grouping with twinks? Can't find mobs in the most popular noob leveling areas?

That is strictly your problem. Go try a slightly off-meta zone. Be a leader and make your own group and take some fellow non-twinks to a different spot.

[kennymack007]

I don’t understand what solution you would like the staff to implement on its test server for the eventual “classic” server that will include proper time progression.

I would just like for people to group more with new players!!! I am sorry, I know I am a bad writer, but how else should I word this post?

[kennymack007]

To be honest, you came here asking for it.

Don't like grouping with twinks? Can't find mobs in the most popular noob leveling areas?

That is strictly your problem. Go try a slightly off-meta zone. Be a leader and make your own group and take some fellow non-twinks to a different spot.

OMG :confused::confused::confused: I would LOVE to group with Twinks. I am sure any new player would!! That's the Problem! They just farm everything solo! Us new players have to wait sometimes allll day just to find other new players or some twinks that are not assholes and will group.

[Chardy]

Maybe they just don't want to group with you, b/c shit attitude?

[kennymack007]

OK I give up. Can a Mod please delete this post?

Edit: I meant to say Thread not Post.

[Whirled]

Is this a rant or a flame?
Filed under drugs for now
Carry on wayward son

[Lammy]

I bet you were real fun on the playground

[kennymack007]

P99 doesn't care for your socialist outlook, sorry we don't conform and give you groups. If you have 5 dollars I need you to give me 2.50

:confused: Wut?

[kennymack007]

:confused: Wut?

Are you implying that I am being a socialist by asking people with Twink characters to be nice and group with new players?

[kennymack007]

Couple things here OP.

You're not wrong.
Twinks are all over and that isn't changing
Join a guild and get to know them
Make your own groups, make friends
Assholes exist, make sure you're not one of them


I've been the one to say I have to AFK a lot and don't join others. It's a trade off and the motivation for that comment is usually just the fact that I don't want to join a group, be expected to fill a certain role and not be able to due to being AFK. It doesn't come from a place of elitism, it comes from the fact that I'm at home with the kids and wife, working out, reading for school etc

EQ is about forging your own way and exploring, the grind to 60 is the end game and the most enjoyable part of this game. Don't be in a rush to hit max level.

You're playing a class that depends on groups, make an alt that you can solo on when you can't find a group. This is part of EQ, you don't always have the ability to play how you want when you want. Another thing you could do is do some quests when you can't find a group, work on tradeskills, farm low level things to sell and make money.

TLDR Widen your scope and create your own adventure, don't be an asshole and don't let assholes dictate your adventure.

Thank you for actually giving a thoughtful response.

I don't want to sound like a know-it-all, but your tips are generally what I have been doing.

I have just reached the tipping point today after trying to find a group for 4 hours and being denied or ignored by at least 25 other players that are soloing in twink gear. I am currently playing my necro, so I can DOT and fear the occasional puma for 1% exp every 5 to 10 minutes while I watch twinks run around and kill non-stop.

I made this thread to try and bring some attention to this, because this was not how Classic was. I was there and I remember it. Now we can't take away people's hard earned gear or ban the use of twinks, that would be just silly. What we can do is just ask people to be more friendly to new players that have their LFG tags on and are posting LFG in OOC every 10 minutes. I'm not saying that everyone should group with a new player every time they are online.... I'm just saying that what I have been experiencing is a bit ridiculous, and I personally think it is a problem.

[Karthil]

P99 doesn't care for your socialist outlook, sorry we don't conform and give you groups. If you have 5 dollars I need you to give me 2.50

Lol. You should probably not just rely on the bogey-man version of socialism if you want to use it to call people out. You probably shouldn't use conformity as a dig either if you decide to keep doing it anyway.

[Karthil]

Thank you for actually giving a thoughtful response.


Indeed. Props to Dad for giving a thoughtful response to what was a very hostile and angry rant that gave nobody but you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry you're having a shitty experience, but the way you approached it here was less than ideal for seeking understanding and thoughtful engagement.

[Karthil]

Sorry Trump is your president

Yeah... me too. Thank you for your sympathies, though.

[Supaskillz]

Look into guild ALS - Their guild is sort of of trying to force a classic leveling experience for players late to the p99 party.

[kennymack007]

Indeed. Props to Dad for giving a thoughtful response to what was a very hostile and angry rant that gave nobody but you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry you're having a shitty experience, but the way you approached it here was less than ideal for seeking understanding and thoughtful engagement.

Sorry for being "hostile and angry", but I am not sorry. I am upset and if you are one of those people that play your twink time and time again ignoring new players, then screw you sir. I hope you get upset. Your making this community way more difficult than it needs to be for new players.

If you also think there is too much of this going on, then maybe you can try a different approach than mine. But for me, I'm angry. When I was leveling my rogue I was getting upset too until I hit around level 14 where Twinks start looking to group. Then I let it go. But now that I have made a new character I am experiencing it all over again. It's bullshit.

[Venjenz]

Camps for "/ooc 25 rogue LFG" -

Unrest: MR or FP.
Mistmoore: Pond
UGuk: whole back third
SolA: Whole place?
Highkeep: goblins
Runnyeye: various
Splitpaw: front
CazicThule: front
Since you are a 25 dorf rogue, go back to your hometown, bind there, and then make a living going back and forth between Unrest and Mistmoore. No reason to leave until late 30s, and corpse draggers are handy folks to have around in either zone.

Keep your LFG flag up, and when in doubt, sneak/hide to the camp you want and get on its waiting list. If you want the MM pond, for example, sneak/hide to the pond, ask in /say how long the waiting list is and be patient. You will get int that group because people come and go all the time and groups want the exp to keep rolling.

If you want groups, be proactive and go find them.
Look into guild ALS - Their guild is sort of of trying to force a classic leveling experience for players late to the p99 party.
And if non-twinking is indeed your bag, by all means, check out the ALS thread in the Guild section of the forums. You won't get complaints from any of us about being untwinked.

[kennymack007]

Camps for "/ooc 25 rogue LFG" -

Unrest: MR or FP.
Mistmoore: Pond
UGuk: whole back third
SolA: Whole place?
Highkeep: goblins
Runnyeye: various
Splitpaw: front
CazicThule: front
Since you are a 25 dorf rogue, go back to your hometown, bind there, and then make a living going back and forth between Unrest and Mistmoore. No reason to leave until late 30s, and corpse draggers are handy folks to have around in either zone.

Keep your LFG flag up, and when in doubt, sneak/hide to the camp you want and get on its waiting list. If you want the MM pond, for example, sneak/hide to the pond, ask in /say how long the waiting list is and be patient. You will get int that group because people come and go all the time and groups want the exp to keep rolling.

If you want groups, be proactive and go find them.

PS - some groups will gripe about non-twink. Ask any ALS member how we know. :D That said, if you hold your own, the exp keeps flowing and you don't sponge healer mana or become a liability, after like 5-6 kills, even the most arrogant twink won't really care. End of the day, if the xp bar moves to the right and you did your part, it's all good.

You didn't read this thread very well. My rogue has no issues grouping. This has to do with leveling up to into your late teens. The problem is its' worst around level 5 to 12.

EDIT: Thank you for your advice though!

EDIT2: I will make the first post more informative.

[kennymack007]

As a new player I have a few characters now, my highest being a 25 rogue.

As a new player it is retardedly hard to find a group.

East Commonlands is full of people soloing.

I went to Crushbone and the entire place was being camped by people Soloing.

Unrest is the first dungeon where I could actually count on getting a group in the evening.

You see, this server has been around for too long. Everyone is playing Alts with thousands of plat worth of gear and just soloing into their late teens or early 20's. This really fucking sucks for us new players.

Either start playing with other people or reset the damn server. Because this IS NOT HOW CLASSIC WAS. I have so many fond memories from Classic because people were so friendly and it was easy to find a group.

EDIT: Make sure to read the line in BOLD

EDIT2: I want to be clear that my 25 Rogue has no issues grouping anymore. The problem that I am talking about is around level 5 to 12, even up to 16. The time it took to get from 14 to 25 on my rogue was less than the time it took to get to 14, because it is so difficult to find people that want to group up. From my experiences, 9 out of 10 characters are twinks that ignore new players. This wouldn't be AS much of an issue if they would just group with the new players as the literally are killing mobs right in front of them.

[Venjenz]

You didn't read this thread very well. My rogue has no issues grouping. This has to do with leveling up to into your late teens. The problem is its' worst around level 5 to 12.

EDIT: Thank you for your advice though!My bad. But here's my advice. Reroll that necro and start in either Paineel or Qyenos, and do your pre-12 grind in Paineel and.or Qeynos. VASTLY different than anywhere else in the game for new players, especially non-twinks. Or just get yourself a port to Toxx and get to work. Between the Qeynos aqueducts, the warrens and Toxx itself, your low level experience will improve dramatically.

[lland]

I started an alt, barely twinked (ie mostly refuse from my other chars) and I always grouped with people, since my class can't really solo. Also grouped with plenty of non-twinked people in CB and Unrest. Maybe your envy toward people with expensive gear is slightly twisting your perception? Also the server doesn't need you feel free to GTFO asap.

[kennymack007]

My bad. But here's my advice. Reroll that necro and start in either Paineel or Qyenos, and do your pre-12 grind in Paineel and.or Qeynos. VASTLY different than anywhere else in the game for new players, especially non-twinks. Or just get yourself a port to Toxx and get to work. Between the Qeynos aqueducts, the warrens and Toxx itself, your low level experience will improve dramatically.

Thank you for your advice again, I will have to consider. Also it appears that I can no longer edit my first Post, but for what it counts I made a new post above this one.

I just hope that at least one person reads this thread and stops ignoring new players on their twinks. That would make me feel accomplished. :)

[kennymack007]

I started an alt, barely twinked (ie mostly refuse from my other chars) and I always grouped with people, since my class can't really solo. Also grouped with plenty of non-twinked people in CB and Unrest. Maybe your envy toward people with expensive gear is slightly twisting your perception? Also the server doesn't need you feel free to GTFO asap.

Wow that started off thoughtful and devolved at the end.

[Qtip]

You guys are just a bunch of assholes. You are probably one of those people that sit on your level 8 twink and look at that new player in OOC spamming "LFG" and think.. "welp sucks to be him, he better not start pulling my mobs though"

Another case of the poor hating the rich. I will log on later and throw you a couple rations, peasant.

[ScaringChildren]

When groups are full i will hang around and dps outside the group. Usually guarantees you get the next spot or pressures someone who decides taking care of RL activities is more important and makes that transition flawless for them and the group.

I do this as well.

It really is a great way to squeeze your way into a group.

[kennymack007]

Another case of the poor hating the rich. I will log on later and throw you a couple rations, peasant.

lmao Qtip, made me chuckle at my desk. I can't even argue your logic, because that is basically the root of my issue. I just want people to be more helpful.

[Jimjam]

/who all 23 29

Send tells to anyone in interesting / close locations asking if they have space for you in a group.

[kennymack007]

/who all 23 29

Send tells to anyone in interesting / close locations asking if they have space for you in a group.

I can't edit my first post anymore for some reason, but please read through the thread. The issue is not on my rogue, its for new players between levels 5 and 14.

[Mead]

You guys are just a bunch of assholes.

[Sizar]

The most common response I get is "Sorry I AFK a lot, have to solo". I swear I have heard that about 10 times now.

Why do you think that is? Maybe cause we aren't children or young adults playing the game like most of us were in 99. Maybe we have families or jobs that require our attention. People solo for all kinds of reasons, kinda need to get used to it

[Jimjam]

I can't edit my first post anymore for some reason, but please read through the thread. The issue is not on my rogue, its for new players between levels 5 and 14.

I read through the thread.

Substitute the numbers for the appropriate levels.

You're not an easy person to help.

[loramin]

You're not an easy person to help.

[Mead]

I can help you in the gainz thread if eq doesn't work out for you

lmk

[Canelek]

Oh boohoo the server doesn’t cater to me.

Get fucked

[Crawdad]

I can't edit my first post anymore for some reason, but please read through the thread. The issue is not on my rogue, its for new players between levels 5 and 14.

You should let new players have their own voice and stop talking for others. You just sound angry to be angry. I've had no problem starting non-twinks and grouping 5-20 this last month.

[Qtip]

I can't edit my first post anymore for some reason, but please read through the thread. The issue is not on my rogue, its for new players between levels 5 and 14.

5 to 14... It willnt get better level 15+. No one wants some scrub taking half the exp. Join auld de slang or wherever the rest of the poor squats.

[StinkyGreenBud]

Join Date: Sep 2014



How does joining 4 years ago classify you as a new player? I've been on the server off and on for 8 years and am a alt whore. I find no issue with finding groups. I even make my own with ease too! Take this to rants and flame where this cry baby crap belongs.

[Qtip]

How does joining 4 years ago classify you as a new player? I've been on the server off and on for 8 years and am a alt whore. I find no issue with finding groups. I even make my own with ease too! Take this to rants and flame where this cry baby crap belongs.

This is a troll thread. Stay in character.

[Pootle]

Either start playing with other people or reset the damn server. Because this IS NOT HOW CLASSIC WAS.

The most common response I get is "Sorry I AFK a lot, have to solo". I swear I have heard that about 10 times now. Well you sure couldn't solo if you were not a fucking twink so at least group and then when you have to AFK, say "I need to AFK for a couple minutes" It's not fucking rocket science.

the real solution here is for people to stop being assholes

Sorry for being "hostile and angry", but I am not sorry. I am upset and if you are one of those people that play your twink time and time again ignoring new players, then screw you sir. I hope you get upset.

Maybe not a helpful answer, but if you act this way in game I am not surprised you have trouble finding groups.

[nostalgiaquest]

i member grouping at dervs in nro.

i member

[kjs86z]

i member grouping at dervs in nro.

i member

pep-ridge farm members

[ScaringChildren]

i member grouping at dervs in nro.

i member

Derv groups in nro were the best.

Don't you dare mock my precious nostalgia

[rollin5k]

this for you OP

https://www.positivityblog.com/how-to-break-out-of-a-victim-mentality-7-powerful-tips/

[AkashicRecord]

At 25-31 you are in the Highkeep Hold goblin leveling pocket which is one of the best in my opinion.

levels 20-25 are kind of shitty for everyone - you are too high for Oasis, Guktop is hit or miss with Scyer, LOIO is far away, and Mistmoore pond/GY are fairly shit camps honestly. The mnid and higher levels all have consistent grouping zone if you follow the 'main path'

I practically have the Lake of Ill Omen to myself at 25. Sure is terrible...

The words "far away" shouldn't really be in anyone's vocabulary playing this game.

[ScaringChildren]

The exp mod for LOIO is trash though.

Literally the worst in the game.

The only time I go to that zone is if a monk needs help with his epic.

[AkashicRecord]

The exp mod for LOIO is trash though.

Literally the worst in the game.

The only time I go to that zone is if a monk needs help with his epic.

Yeah, is it still around 87%? It's noticeable, but not a total deal breaker.

Stonebrunt was a bit sparse, so I took the trip over to Firiona.

[Champion_Standing]

Most people want to find the laziest and fastest leveling path. Unfortunately, a lot of decent content is just avoided outright because of this. You can go into one of the 5 main leveling zones on this server and find a whole group worth of people standing around waiting for a spot in an established group rather than getting together and going elsewhere. Why? Because even though it's probably a better use of their playtime, it prevents you from being lazy, having to learn a new zone maybe, and even requires you to talk to other players, simply not worth it for most p99 players.

[Ravager]

Groups are easy to come by if you do a little more than /lfg and /ooc "12 mage lfg". Just send a tell to people nearby that you think you can duo with and build from there. And don't be too selective about classes. Some of the most fun I had on this server was with poorly made groups. We made 3 rangers and a rogue work. I duo'd with a monk and a ranger in Upper Guk for some respectable exp. Even made wizard and ranger work.

[bigjeff100]

Groups are easy to come by if you do a little more than /lfg and /ooc "12 mage lfg". Just send a tell to people nearby that you think you can duo with and build from there. And don't be too selective about classes. Some of the most fun I had on this server was with poorly made groups. We made 3 rangers and a rogue work. I duo'd with a monk and a ranger in Upper Guk for some respectable exp. Even made wizard and ranger work.

Yup, definitely gotta be that guy who searches far and wide for people willing to adventure outside the typical zones. Over labor day weekend, me and the homey Whistletree set out on numerous adventures which began with us 2 asking lfgs all over Norrath. We managed to spend numerous hours in Kedge. Another group we assembled for Efreeti. And lastly the hole. Plus by assembling a true group, you can actually spend multiple hours grinding. When you do those crap pick up groups in KC, or CoM. 50% of the time the people who join end up leaving 30minutes later.

[garfo]

Groups are easy to come by if you do a little more than /lfg and /ooc "12 mage lfg". Just send a tell to people nearby that you think you can duo with and build from there. And don't be too selective about classes. Some of the most fun I had on this server was with poorly made groups. We made 3 rangers and a rogue work. I duo'd with a monk and a ranger in Upper Guk for some respectable exp. Even made wizard and ranger work.


THIS. You'd be surprised at how quickly you can find a group by actually TALKING TO PEOPLE instead of broadcasting in OOC and expecting the invites to roll in. Judging by how butthurt OP is, I'd guess he has the sort of entitlement mindset that would lead me to believe he doesn't actually put any effort into finding a group.

Even at higher levels where the popular zones have established camps, you'd be surprised at how effective it can be to walk up to a camp and actually talk to the people in the group, even if the group is full. Just try it -- go up to Pond or CE in Mistmoore, or wherever, ask who the group leader is, and put yourself on a list!

[Notwotwo]

That's weird, because everytime i go in big dungeon (for example Unrest), i see 2-3 groups (everytime one at MR and FP, sometimes in basement)

[shams]

I didn't read anything past the first page, but I just rolled a warrior alt and am leveling him around EC. I get invited to an orc group every time I log in. Just start sending tells and create your own group if you can't find one.

Yes, most people have some really nice gear on their low level alts, but you can still find a lot of people willing to do duos or trios. Also, the stuff in EC is soloable even without really good gear. I split my leveling in live from 1-15 between WFP, EC, and NRo. I'd say 50% of that was soloing. Just ask for a couple of buffs at the EC tunnel entrance and you'll plow through a few levels in a very short amount of time. As you progress in levels you'll find that twinked or not, groups start becoming a bit of a necessity if you aren't one of the classes that is innately good at soloing.

Lastly, we all know this isn't 100% classic, especially after 9 years. It is, however, hands-down the best simulation of Norrath in its glory days and we are very lucky we get to enjoy it for free.

[Chardy]

Maybe they just don't want to group with you, b/c shit attitude?

[skarlorn]

Reset the Server. In 1.5 years, another player shows up complaining about that same thing. Every time someone complains, Reset the Server just for them.

[loramin]

I think this is an EQ with kunark/velious issue, not just the server itself. There is such a larger time sync between 50-60 than 1-50 that casual players end up there slogging away there instead of the putzing through the lower levels on alt, etc. So the server will always end up top heavy and PL'ing alts at lower levels.
That's sort of right, but none of us remember a server that was anywhere close to being as top heavy on live right? I started playing live in Velious, and didn't even see Kunark or Velious for many months, yet I had zero issues finding people to play with in the old world.

The problem isn't Kunark, it's the fact that Blue had Kunark for seven years. Which leads me to ...

Reset the Server. In 1.5 years, another player shows up complaining about that same thing. Every time someone complains, Reset the Server just for them.

That's actually fairly close to how the new Green/Recycle will (in theory) work someday. Server starts in 2021, runs along the classic timeline to 2023, resets (possibly shuffling everyone's character on to Blue?) and then runs again from 2025-2027, and again from 2027-2029, etc.

[Axlrose]

*looks over his various characters and their equipment and weapons...

No, not every one of us is a twink since some of us find the "challenge" of being the poor, struggling character enjoyable. Hell, I have casters that are level 20 and still need some of their level 12 and level 16 spells, much less their newest level 20 spells (all varieties of spells, not just the "junk" spells). My gear is so ~cheap~ that I see items people sold to vendors being better than my own.

And for the most part, I prefer soloing because as the original poster noted, many, many, many people are twinked and my lackluster gear will shy them away from me. I prefer to adventure at my own pace and not to continuously grind away for maximum efficiency. After my time years ago on Live with people telling me I am playing this game so wrong, once I discovered this server, short of grouping with my brother (who is quite patient with my quirks), I prefer the soloist lifestyle. A lifestyle that does not take me to the hot spots, but some backwards zone in the game. Perhaps one night I will adventure there too since on Live, as fast as expansions were released, I missed adventuring in today's current hot spot zones.

Just my thoughts.

[tiadashi]

Np, if you need help coping let me know snowflake.

Is there any other generic overused misunderstood terms you would care to regurgitate?

I think we are all anxiously awaiting your next well though out one liner

[Doctor Jeff]

its weird how no one else is complaining about this "problem"

[Reddarok]

Is there any other generic overused misunderstood terms you would care to regurgitate?

I think we are all anxiously awaiting your next well though out one liner

Triggered?

[Gozuk]

In the years I've been on this server, I've never even once seen someone shamed or denied a group because of their character's gear. Especially as a new player. Not even once.

Even playing a Rogue as my first character when every other low and mid level Rogue had a Ragebringer already (pre fix to 46 requirement) I never got deneid or made fun of at all. Maybe people were thinking it... But if so they kept it to themselves.

I just have a hard time believing this actually happens. If anything... People on this server are very proud of what they have earned in their time playing here. I doubt anyone would mind grouping with a new player that may actually be "impressed" by their gear or thinks their character is cool..

Outside of playful banter between guildies/friends if someone happens to have one funny item that stands out so blantantly compared to the rest of their gear... Or maybe a tank that's new to a guild and still in full Crusty armor might not be allowed to tank AoW.. I can't imagine this actualy happening

[Sizar]

People routinely don’t invite people out of the fear of forming a non ideal group. That’s the biggest issue I’ve seen that impedes groups.

Fake News

[Trelaboon]

Not even a little bit true, you just have to be creative and proactive. I’ve leveled several characters untwinked and there’s literally a guild designed for this and everywhere I go I see people leveling together. Go to real zones...people don’t group at Orc camps and Derv camps because they know now how terrible the exp is. You’ll definitely find groups at every level in real zones that are worth a damn

[ScaringChildren]

Had it happen to my warrior twice, yesterday.

Do you have proccing weapons?

[Venjenz]

People routinely don’t invite people out of the fear of forming a non ideal group. That’s the biggest issue I’ve seen that impedes groups.
I've been in ideal and non-ideal groups aplenty. If you got passed over twice yesterday, it was a group thing, not a p99 thing.

In fact, proper groups, with an actual tank tanking, legit CC, pullers who pull well, etc...that is my exception, and nonstandard "let the bard tank and we'll use healer's root for CC while at least two people AFK 45 minutes out of every hour...and we'll have the ogre shaman be the puller" groups seem to be the rule.

Groups are out there. I have easy days and harder days finding them, but they are out there. Even with my "no twink, no way" guild tag.

[Zuranthium]

Thread title and OP are correct, and most of the responses in this thread are idiotic.

levels 20-25 are kind of shitty for everyone - you are too high for Oasis, Guktop is hit or miss with Scyer, LOIO is far away, and Mistmoore pond/GY are fairly shit camps honestly.

People used to be in Oasis killing the deepwater crocs in their early 20's. Then there was also South Karana, Lake Rathe, Everfrost, Solusek's Eye. These zones were packed with people grouping in actual classic EQ (and of course Unrest, which the OP mentioned as the one place where they can still find a group). Sad they are nearly extinct in the current timeline.

Guktop was not "hit or miss" either in classic. It was FULL of people. Also Temple of Cazic-Thule was completely packed when Rubicite dropped there and still had plenty of groups even after they removed those drops from the zone. Lake of Ill Omen became a huge hotspot for levels 20+ in Kunark era as well; anything that moved in the zone got hunted.

Levels 15-20 were harder in terms of having enough things to hunt, at that point you were past most of the newbie areas but not yet strong enough for most dungeon content or other popular outdoor areas. It was a huge bottleneck in Crushbone for example, where there was just the throne room left for those levels, but that alone isn't enough to support many 15-20 groups. Was a similar story for Blackburrow or Najena, where the content for those levels was more sparse. West Karana scarecrows were constantly camped and in other such zones people would just find whatever wandering things they could that still gave exp. Oasis of course being constantly full.

The exp mod for LOIO is trash though.

Literally the worst in the game.

It wasn't when Kunark came out; they eventually "nerfed" most outdoor zones though because of how they were considered easier. Most people didn't even know about this stuff though and regardless of the exp-modifiers for zones, LOIO simply has a great density of things to hunt, which means you should be able to safely kill more (and thus get more exp) than in many other places, without having to wait around as much for a camp. The Overthere was extremely popular for similar reasons and was one of the few "old" zones that managed to hold onto a semblance of a population for several more expansions, and similarly still has people hunting there during late Velious era p1999.

Not even a little bit true, you just have to be creative and proactive. I’ve leveled several characters untwinked and there’s literally a guild designed for this and everywhere I go I see people leveling together. Go to real zones...people don’t group at Orc camps and Derv camps because they know now how terrible the exp is. You’ll definitely find groups at every level in real zones that are worth a damn

What you just wrote is the exact opposite of "creative". Going to one of the few "real" zones that have people standing around in line for camps is not what Everquest is supposed to be. Granted, during the upper levels of classic EQ this eventually became a problem where there wasn't enough content to go around (and people still did love sticking around the "more popular" areas), but you could find a group in almost any zone when Everquest was at its best.

If people are not at Orc and Derv camps (or their equivalents for other areas of the world) then it's not classic Everquest. These places all around the entire game world were flowing with constant groups/adventurers and it was what gave the game life.

[SunDrake]

Maybe not a helpful answer, but if you act this way in game I am not surprised you have trouble finding groups.

I can't imagine grouping with this guy for more than 5 minutes before it became intolerable. He just exudes that type of energy.

[Orxudan]

I read the whole thread and got some great grouping tips. I appreciate the input--it inspires me to start up a duo or trio and move to a less traveled zone next time i log on.

I think OP's problem is his disposition. I care about xp, but not as much as I care about enjoying the company of the people I'm grouped with. I wouldn't group with this guy whether it would improve xp or not. I'm probably not the only one.

OP, you come across as whiny and confrontational. Why did you think it was a good idea, if you were having a problem, to make a thread attacking the server instead of asking for advice? That's a terrible approach to solving your problems.

[Yasi]

Apparently you're looking for EQ to be Reborn. I understand that. I, too, was looking for EQ to be Reborn. Perhaps we should consult google on how EQ could be Reborn.

[sox7d]

ITT people who lost the spark of why they started EQ/P99 in the first place

[Canelek]

I hear the railroad will be through here soon, so be patient.

[kaev]

Everyone is playing Alts with thousands of plat worth of gear and just soloing into their late teens or early 20's. This really fucking sucks for us new players.


If you had made a new character mid-Velious on the server I played initially on live (Tunare, which opened 2 or 3 months after the initial EQ release) your experience would've been very similar. In most cases the twink gear wasn't as fancy as you see here, but it didn't and doesn't have to be to overpower the sub-20 content. p99 fails to be "classic" in myriad small details, but your complaint is not one of them. This was a big motivator for me and quite a few others who would jump on every new server that opened back in the day.

tl;dr

Sorry bud, but the situation you're complaining about is classic for the current era of the server, suck it up.

[kaev]

People routinely don’t invite people out of the fear of forming a non ideal group. That’s the biggest issue I’ve seen that impedes groups.

It's more extreme here, but that shit started with the shunning of hybrids in Kunark on live as the knowledge of the hybrid xp penalty slowly penetrated the player base. During Velious & into Luclin there was a fair bit of complaining on alt.games.everquest about pickup groups (i.e. groups not formed strictly from guildmates) forming in only two flavors:
- holy trinity (warrior+cleric+chanter) filled out with monks and rogues, or
- shaman instead of trinity and again fill it out with monks and rogues.

In short, the EQ playerbase has always been just as full of selfish pricks as real life. You need to make and keep friends if you want to have cool people to hang out with.

[Topgunben]

As a new player I have a few characters now, my highest being a 25 rogue.

As a new player it is retardedly hard to find a group.

East Commonlands is full of people soloing.

I went to Crushbone and the entire place was being camped by people Soloing.

Unrest is the first dungeon where I could actually count on getting a group in the evening.

You see, this server has been around for too long. Everyone is playing Alts with thousands of plat worth of gear and just soloing into their late teens or early 20's. This really fucking sucks for us new players.

Either start playing with other people or reset the damn server. Because this IS NOT HOW CLASSIC WAS. I have so many fond memories from Classic because people were so friendly and it was easy to find a group.

EDIT: Make sure to read the line in BOLD

Most of what you said is true.

this is as close as it gets to classic. The mechanics are mostly classic, but the players aren't going to pretend like they know nothing about the game just to further immerse themselves.

[GnomeCaptain]

Seems like the classic I remember. I started playing in '00. In fact I think I recall more monk twinks back in the day.

And I think you may be exaggerating or unlucky when it comes to finding a group.

Send more tells to make duos/trios/etc. Or ask around to find for more popular dungeons.




As a new player I have a few characters now, my highest being a 25 rogue.

As a new player it is retardedly hard to find a group.

East Commonlands is full of people soloing.

I went to Crushbone and the entire place was being camped by people Soloing.

Unrest is the first dungeon where I could actually count on getting a group in the evening.

You see, this server has been around for too long. Everyone is playing Alts with thousands of plat worth of gear and just soloing into their late teens or early 20's. This really fucking sucks for us new players.

Either start playing with other people or reset the damn server. Because this IS NOT HOW CLASSIC WAS. I have so many fond memories from Classic because people were so friendly and it was easy to find a group.

EDIT: Make sure to read the line in BOLD

[Hibbs]

I would just like for people to group more with new players!!!

I've never seen someone not invited to a group cuz their gear is under par :rolleyes:

Also man there is an awesome guild on the server called <Auld Lang Syne> probably more of what you are looking for!

Linkage:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255352

[Hibbs]

That's actually fairly close to how the new Green/Recycle will (in theory) work someday. Server starts in 2021, runs along the classic timeline to 2023, resets (possibly shuffling everyone's character on to Blue?) and then runs again from 2025-2027, and again from 2027-2029, etc.


Drink:D:D

[pickled_heretic]

I recently played an untwinked wizard to 25 mostly grouping until then. Nearly all of the groups I was in were ones I formed myself. If I could get groups with a wizard I'm positive you could do it with literally any other class.

[Muggens]

OP, you come across as whiny and confrontational. Why did you think it was a good idea, if you were having a problem, to make a thread attacking the server instead of asking for advice? That's a terrible approach to solving your problems.

[Nirgon]

Cringe, needs reset

[EpicAdventure]

I wanted to make a useful post here but its on page 12 already... I want to say this is better then classic. I never found a port in months and spent all of my classic playtime on odus / stonebrunt mtns getting to lvl 39 sk before I ever made it to ec. On our wonderful server druids all know and they are happy to accommodate you. this feature makes solo or grouping both much easier then classic guild or no guild.

[DromalPhrenia]

That's actually fairly close to how the new Green/Recycle will (in theory) work someday. Server starts in 2021, runs along the classic timeline to 2023, resets (possibly shuffling everyone's character on to Blue?) and then runs again from 2025-2027, and again from 2027-2029, etc.

I am very confident at this point that every time you post about the "Green server", it is delayed another 5 months :D

[kaev]

I am very confident at this point that every time you post about the "Green server", it is delayed another 5 months :D

Pretty sure it's same schedule as raid bans for <Core>

[NegaStoat]

I realized that P1999 wasn't classic within my first week when I realized that I couldn't set up shop in Steamfont at the fallen gear and be within spell range of 5 skeleton spawns with a druid like I could on old retail. It was kinda sweet to easy-mode level from 9 to 12 doing the tree illusion for free health thing while doing the porcupine melee routine without moving an inch.

The Hole entrance was probably the most annoying thing for me that was different from old retail though. On old retail on Fennin Ro I could take my Magician to the entrance right out of the pool and single pull elementals to fight using my groovy anti-summon nukes for sweet experience and the odd piece of loam armor. Every elemental on both rows was spaced apart in their own nooks so that they didn't care when one behind it was pulled forward to you. Sadly, not here on P1999. That was such a great spot back in the day.

My bitching aside, it's the raid scene that defines how P1999 isn't classic by far. People are just super strange about pixels.

[Zuranthium]

I wanted to make a useful post here but its on page 12 already... I want to say this is better then classic. I never found a port in months and spent all of my classic playtime on odus / stonebrunt mtns getting to lvl 39 SK before I ever made it to ec. On our wonderful server druids are happy to accommodate you. This feature makes solo or grouping both much easier than classic.

"Stonebrunt Mountains" era of Everquest was not really Classic EQ. Sounds like you unfortunately never got to play real classic EQ. If you couldn't find a port, though, it's because you didn't know how. It was not hard back then to do a /who all for Wizards and Druids and get one eventually. Besides that, you could have just taken the boat to Qeynos and played in that area of the world, or ran to Freeport area after getting to decently safe level for the journey, if that's where you really wanted to be.

You mentioned that you were a Shadow Knight. Being an evil character was supposed to actually mean something in classic EQ and make traveling much more difficult. The game back then even specifically listed when making a character what the "difficultly level" of your Race/Class combination would be.

[jackd104]

There should be a Logan’s Run server. When you reach level 30 your character is deleted. The low levels are the most fun anyhow.