Is it legal to repeatedly kill a quest mob just to prevent others from getting?

[GnomeCaptain]

Last night I was camping the AC in S Ro. Eventually I saw the AC, and he went down and was looted by a certain Druid.

And then 72 minutes later I was back for another chance at the AC. I did not see it, but there were several congratulatory messages in /ooc for the same Druid.

And then the Druid was there again 72 minutes later, greedy for another.

And as I thought about it, it seemed unlikely to me that someone could sell and execute even one J Boots MQ that quickly, around 1 am est on a weekday, and be back in S Ro for the next spawn chance. The travel, the gold, getting the rapier(s), finding Hasten. And then to do it again, after 2 am?

Seems possible that if someone is attempting to monopolize the AC, which drops an item that is essential for completing the quest for one of the game's most powerful items, that they would have an economic incentive to prevent anyone else from accessing AC loot.

Is it possible to destroy a Lore item on a body without looting it? Because I am a bit confused as to what happened. I find it more or less impossible to MQ off a J Boot quest at that hour, and so quickly. But I did see the Druid loot the AC, and then he was back around an hour later, getting congratulated for another.

Considering the J Boots quest is so very important, it seems detrimental to player QoL to allow the exact classes that don't need its reward to prevent everyone else from doing the quest.

So is it okay to repeatedly track and kill a quest mob, even when it seems fairly obvious the camper is not getting anything and doing so merely to block others?

Thanks

[pickled_heretic]

I'm guessing he's corpsing the ring.

[GnomeCaptain]

I'm guessing he's corpsing the ring.

There are still a couple EQ terms I don't know.

This is one of them. The other is poopsock or whatever.

If you would: please tell me what it means to 'corpse the ring.'

[Sacer]

I'm guessing he's corpsing the ring.

This 100%

edit: how to corpse a ring :

put ring in a bag slot, die in a duel so you don't lose exp, loot everything but the ring, congratulation you have a ring corpsed for a week.

[pickled_heretic]

There are still a couple EQ terms I don't know.

This is one of them. The other is poopsock or whatever.

If you would: please tell me what it means to 'corpse the ring.'

If you die and leave lore items on your body, it doesn't count as possessing the item anymore, so you can loot another. in such a way you can have several of the same lore item in your possession, stored on corpses you can retrieve later. So in this case, the druid is "banking" rings so he can sell the multiquest later. On this server they sell for about 5-6k.

[Phenyo]

corpsed rings

mq sales

sorry you didnt get ancient cyclops

[GnomeCaptain]

Wow, corpsing seems like yet another reason to disable MQ for the J Boots quest.

Seems like a quest designed to be enjoyed by all players (of appropriate level) shouldn't be monopolized by greedy people exploiting bugs like MQ and corpsing. It is, after all, probably the only quest in the game meant to be done by all players (of non-sowing classes) over mid-level. It's really a rite of passage for a character; back on Live on Tarrew Marr our Druids and Rangers were certainly detrimenal to player QoL, but they weren't so malicious as to monopolize the AC with cheap exploits.

Multi-boxing is not ok, but this is? Seems odd.

Thank you Messrs. pickled_heretic and Sacer for the info about corpsing.

[fastboy21]

Wow, corpsing seems like yet another reason to disable MQ for the J Boots quest.

Seems like a quest designed to be enjoyed by all players (of appropriate level) shouldn't be monopolized by greedy people exploiting bugs like MQ and corpsing. It is, after all, probably the only quest in the game meant to be done by all players (of non-sowing classes) over mid-level. It's really a rite of passage for a character; back on Live on Tarrew Marr our Druids and Rangers were certainly detrimenal to player QoL, but they weren't so malicious as to monopolize the AC with cheap exploits.

Multi-boxing is not ok, but this is? Seems odd.

Thank you Messrs. pickled_heretic and Sacer for the info about corpsing.

Its only "okay" if there nobody else waiting for the camp. If someone is next on the list then he has to give the camp to them when he gets his ring.

Even if nobody is even there, I don't think GMs like players who corpse AC rings.

[San'Drax]

Don't camp the AC in SRo, get on the list in OoT. Much better experience IMO

[Doil_Boil]

SRO ac isn’t really a camp persay. So regardless of who’s waiting this is entirely legal.

[mickmoranis]

SRO ac isn’t really a camp persay. So regardless of who’s waiting this is entirely legal.

this guy corpses

[Ella`Ella]

The other is poopsock or whatever.

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Poopsocking is basically when a player would actually shit into a sock vs leaving the computer to shit in a toilet. However, I think it's more likely the player would just shit in their pants and then (maybe) wipe with the sock vs going to the bathroom

[mickmoranis]

but aside from the erotic parts, they'd be sitting at their desk waiting for a raid mob to spawn for so long that they would need to go number 2 so they use one of their socks

[Wonkie]

you're describing item farming op

😏

[indiscriminate_hater]

Poopsocking is basically when a player would actually shit into a sock vs leaving the computer to shit in a toilet. However, I think it's more likely the player would just shit in their pants and then (maybe) wipe with the sock vs going to the bathroom

False, the optimal way to poopsock is to cut a hole in the bottom of your chair and poop into a bedpan below it. Then throw some sawdust on it.

[Dumluk]

I'm guessing he's corpsing the ring.

I saw a druid doing this in Sro.

His name began with a "D".

[Doil_Boil]

this guy corpses

Haha I hardly log in except for the occasional raid anymore. Never had the opportunity to corpse anything.

[YendorLootmonkey]

False, the optimal way to poopsock is to cut a hole in the bottom of your chair and poop into a bedpan below it. Then throw some sawdust on it.

No, you cut a 4" diameter hole and then use some sort of grommet/gasket system to secure the opening of a sock below the seat. Then you can just pinch off the top of the sock, pull down, and tie it off before replacing with a new sock.

[GnomeCaptain]

you're describing item farming op

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Maybe you're just trolling.

But if not, I'll clarify for you. I'm not describing item farming.

I'm describing farming of NO DROP LORE items, which seems explicitly contrary to game design.

Surely there are other items to farm? Perhaps items that aren't NO DROP LORE?

Corpsing anything, especially NO DROP LORE, seems a clear exploit.

This one in particular prevents people from completing a quest the developers probably intended for all level appropriate players to complete. It simply converts it into a revenue source for greedy exploiters.

It really deprives the players, and I can't imagine forming a principled defense for it in the rules.


I saw a druid doing this in Sro.

His name began with a "D".

Hmm, probably not a coincidence.

[tiadashi]

Maybe you're just trolling.

But if not, I'll clarify for you. I'm not describing item farming.

I'm describing farming of NO DROP LORE items.

Which seems explicitly contrary to game design and basic common sense.

Seems more like an exploit to me.

Is it legal to repeatedly kill a mob - yes

You inserting a reason why they are doing so seems odd -

Farming no drop lore items is not illegal or against any rules that i know of and if it were just about everyone would be guilty on some level

[Jimjam]

Rather than disabling MQ on this quest, I think a more expedient fix would be just to make it so the lore item check applies to active corpses as well as inventory / bank. No more corpsing AC rings or Tranny crowns.

The other fix could be for GM's to be less liberal in their restoration of rotted corpses.

Of course: NOT CLASSIC.

[GnomeCaptain]

Thanks for all the notes on poopsocking, I'll have to start using that term in professional environments.

[mickmoranis]

Rather than disabling MQ on this quest, I think a more expedient fix would be just to make it so the lore item check applies to active corpses as well as inventory / bank. No more corpsing AC rings or Tranny crowns.

The other fix could be for GM's to be less liberal in their restoration of rotted corpses.

Of course: NOT CLASSIC.

Or accept the fact that after its 7 years people are still crying about it so whatever they're doing they should keep doing.

[GnomeCaptain]

Rather than disabling MQ on this quest, I think a more expedient fix would be just to make it so the lore item check applies to active corpses as well as inventory / bank. No more corpsing AC rings or Tranny crowns.

The other fix could be for GM's to be less liberal in their restoration of rotted corpses.

Of course: NOT CLASSIC.

That lore item check idea makes sense.

Concerning Classic: on my server there were lots of multi-boxers and plenty of RMT. Things were so camped it was hilarious.

But the legions of Druid and Ranger farmers left the AC alone so people could quest J Boots. I did so on multiple chars without issue.

And does it make sense to consider myopic code (i.e. the lack of item check applying 'to active corpses as well as inventory / bank') some significant aspect of Classic? I don't think so. Especially with this exploit as a result.

[Wonkie]

Maybe you're just trolling.

But if not, I'll clarify for you. I'm not describing item farming.

I'm describing farming of NO DROP LORE items, which seems explicitly contrary to game design.

Surely there are other items to farm? Perhaps items that aren't NO DROP LORE?

Corpsing anything, especially NO DROP LORE, seems a clear exploit.

This one in particular prevents people from completing a quest the developers probably intended for all level appropriate players to complete. It simply converts it into a revenue source for greedy exploiters.

It really deprives the players, and I can't imagine forming a principled defense for it in the rules.



in a better world, you'd be right.

but that is not our world.

hope this helps!

[Quizlop]

I think the best fix would be to just remove the Druid ring in SRo.

[aaezil]

Ahh youve met Druins lol

[aaezil]

Nice meltdown btw hope you get better at killing ac soon!

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I personally wish that MQs weren’t a thing. It’s not in the spirit of the game as far as lore first of all. Secondly there are way too many people forced to pay for their epics. Not that a lack of MQ would prevent the farm crews. They would just have people pay for the loot rights instead.

That being said I do still appreciate the convenience of buying MQ when I need. I have bought several epics and 4 pairs of jboots.

OP, just don’t go crazy and start murdering Hasten over and over to try to stop the MQ!

[zodium]

I personally wish that MQs weren’t a thing. It’s not in the spirit of the game as far as lore first of all. Secondly there are way too many people forced to pay for their epics. Not that a lack of MQ would prevent the farm crews. They would just have people pay for the loot rights instead.

That being said I do still appreciate the convenience of buying MQ when I need. I have bought several epics and 4 pairs of jboots.

OP, just don’t go crazy and start murdering Hasten over and over to try to stop the MQ!

MQs are actually chill and good. I enjoy both doing them and buying them. The problem lies with lore checks not applying to corpses, allowing unbounded repeat farming of bottleneck mobs. :o

[fastboy21]

I personally wish that MQs weren’t a thing. It’s not in the spirit of the game as far as lore first of all. Secondly there are way too many people forced to pay for their epics. Not that a lack of MQ would prevent the farm crews. They would just have people pay for the loot rights instead.

That being said I do still appreciate the convenience of buying MQ when I need. I have bought several epics and 4 pairs of jboots.

OP, just don’t go crazy and start murdering Hasten over and over to try to stop the MQ!

Why do you get to make the assertion that MQs aren't part of "the spirit of the game" ??? Are you basing that solely on the use of the word "lore" --- which you interpret to mean only one can exist? By that logic there should only be one of any lore item on the entire server, not just one per character...

MQs are part of the game in classic EQ. I know this because this is an emulator whose only stated mission is to recreate classic EQ...so while you can argue that they shouldn't have been part of classic EQ to begin with, you can't just poof them away by saying they go against the spirit of the game.

[Hibbs]

Why do you get to make the assertion that MQs aren't part of "the spirit of the game" ??? Are you basing that solely on the use of the word "lore" --- which you interpret to mean only one can exist? By that logic there should only be one of any lore item on the entire server, not just one per character...

MQs are part of the game in classic EQ. I know this because this is an emulator whose only stated mission is to recreate classic EQ...so while you can argue that they shouldn't have been part of classic EQ to begin with, you can't just poof them away by saying they go against the spirit of the game.


You're a real special boy.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Why do you get to make the assertion that MQs aren't part of "the spirit of the game" ??? Are you basing that solely on the use of the word "lore" --- which you interpret to mean only one can exist? By that logic there should only be one of any lore item on the entire server, not just one per character...

MQs are part of the game in classic EQ. I know this because this is an emulator whose only stated mission is to recreate classic EQ...so while you can argue that they shouldn't have been part of classic EQ to begin with, you can't just poof them away by saying they go against the spirit of the game.

TLDR shit's classic deal with it

[shuklak]

Well its more classic than pullling in tov.

[putrid_plum]

The people defending MQing are the dude farming AC rings to buy their epics. It all makes sense now.

[Jimjam]

The people defending MQing are the dude farming AC rings to buy their epics. It all makes sense now.

The amount of dedication people on this server have to 90% afk the game and pay someone else to play the remaining 10% for them is truly inspiring.

[ScaringChildren]

False, the optimal way to poopsock is to cut a hole in the bottom of your chair and poop into a bedpan below it. Then throw some sawdust on it.

"MOOOOOM! WE NEED MORE SAWDUST!!"

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/P0qlxCV.png

[kjs86z]

@OP - just wait until you're in your upper 50s / 60 in Seb camping King for a fungi tunic and the bard in your group mostly AFK singing mana song wins the roll and puts his 2nd corpse on the ground to loot his 3rd fungi of the weekend.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Why do you get to make the assertion that MQs aren't part of "the spirit of the game" ???

Because it doesn't make much sense in the LORE of the game (look up the definition of the word if you aren't familiar with it, my post has nothing to do with items that say "lore" in their description) for Player A to do a huge epic quest and then at the last moment hand everything to Player B to turn in for the reward.

"Thank you Lord Slowboy the Hobbit for defeating the dastardly dragons of the swamps of anoos, but since you gave the dragon heads to your buddy here who didn't do shit I guess I will just give HIM the reward!"


MQs are part of the game in classic EQ. I know this because this is an emulator whose only stated mission is to recreate classic EQ...so while you can argue that they shouldn't have been part of classic EQ to begin with, you can't just poof them away by saying they go against the spirit of the game.

I'm fully aware MQ's were a part of the game on live. It was probably an oversight by the early devs. When I say "I personally wish MQs weren't a thing" that is me referring to live as well as the emulated version here. Hopefully this helps!

[GinnasP99]

Well its more classic than pullling in tov.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

[Videri]

Forming a crew...

[loramin]

I'm fully aware MQ's were a part of the game on live. It was probably an oversight by the early devs.

I could have sworn there was an interview where someone like Aradune flat out said as much ... but I'm too lazy to find it.

[Crawdad]

It is, after all, probably the only quest in the game meant to be done by all players (of non-sowing classes) over mid-level...
It's really a rite of passage for a character; back on Live on Tarrew Marr our Druids and Rangers were certainly detrimenal to player QoL, but they weren't so malicious as to monopolize the AC with cheap exploits.

Camps in EQ are not a right. There's no instancing, so we have to accept we can't always get what we want when we want it. Everyone playing on this server should know what to expect emulating a 20 year old game.

Get some levels and camp AC in OoT. The Sro AC is FTE, so either play a class that can easily FTE it, get a bard or druid friend to help you, or accept you're not guaranteed it or anything here. There are no exploits going on, it just doesn't work how you want it to.

[Moerne]

There are still a couple EQ terms I don't know.

This is one of them. The other is poopsock or whatever.

If you would: please tell me what it means to 'corpse the ring.'

This is also frequently done with no-rent items. Keys to Howling Stones and the various Sky island are stored on corpses to keep them from poofing. If you port up to sky, you'll find the first island absolutely littered with corpses, and the spot in OT where people drop down to get to the HS zone-in is known as the corpse ledge because of the corpses storing keys there.

[XeroKill]

Maybe you're just trolling.

But if not, I'll clarify for you. I'm not describing item farming.

I'm describing farming of NO DROP LORE items, which seems explicitly contrary to game design.

Surely there are other items to farm? Perhaps items that aren't NO DROP LORE?

Corpsing anything, especially NO DROP LORE, seems a clear exploit.

This one in particular prevents people from completing a quest the developers probably intended for all level appropriate players to complete. It simply converts it into a revenue source for greedy exploiters.

It really deprives the players, and I can't imagine forming a principled defense for it in the rules.




Hmm, probably not a coincidence.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

What is more greedy, a person that plays the game and their class within the rules that the game and the devs provide, and legitimately beats the competition to the punch so that they can sell their work in order to progress their character just like anyone else... or the person that cries because the better player won't just GIVE them the item/mob because they showed up and want it? Greed is not the mere acquisition of materials or wealth. If you just want the item handed to you then go to OoT and get on the list... then prepare to poopsock for 12 hours (or maybe 6min if you are really lucky) and just wait for your pixels to be gift wrapped for you. No fuss, no muss.

TL;DR - Git gud

[Doil_Boil]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

What is more greedy, a person that plays the game and their class within the rules that the game and the devs provide, and legitimately beats the competition to the punch so that they can sell their work in order to progress their character just like anyone else... or the person that cries because the better player won't just GIVE them the item/mob because they showed up and want it? Greed is not the mere acquisition of materials or wealth. If you just want the item handed to you then go to OoT and get on the list... then prepare to poopsock for 12 hours (or maybe 6min if you are really lucky) and just wait for your pixels to be gift wrapped for you. No fuss, no muss.

TL;DR - Git gud

You know, I really dislike the term “git gud”, because in this game it mostly just means “spend more time”. It’s not like you practice getting good at EQ like you can at most skills and expect better results. The game isn’t hard.

[Canelek]

Someone in the last year or so had a similar rant and also used some version of the phrase "appropriate level" as well. Same person?

Either way, you are not understanding that is how this game has always worked. Sure, the folks that are always there to get a chance to MQ some jboots may be spending unhealthy amounts of time doing the same exact thing over and over, but that is their time.

Your time is yours, and maybe you'd be better off not worrying about other people.

[Shanst]

Better fix, make it so you can have only one corpse and if you die again the first one disappears :) Then you can really git gud.....

[bigjeff100]

I have no problem with MQ's but I feel like the whole camping multiple corpses thing is a bit too much.. Like the dude who has half a dozen corpses in A4. Common man...

[loramin]

I have no problem with MQ's but I feel like the whole camping multiple corpses thing is a bit too much.. Like the dude who has half a dozen corpses in A4. Common man...

I feel like there's a very simple, common sense rule that could be added, which wouldn't require any unclassic changes. In fact, it's very much in the spirit of other "play nice policies" guiding GMs on live during the classic era, and had this been an issue back then I feel like it's the least they would have done:

You are not allowed to store LORE items on a corpse if another player is waiting for your camp. When such a player arrives you can hold the camp until the next time you loot the item, but then you must give the camp over to them. Players who violate this rule will have all of their corpses destroyed, among other penalties.

(Ok maybe that last part isn't very classic, but it seems like it would fit here :))

[mickmoranis]

ITT

people who found a meaning to their lives farming in eq

then a bunch of normies come in and try to take it away from them, like they did 4chan and everything else

YOULL ALL RUE THE DAY WHEN US INCELS EXACT OUR REVENGE

[Topgunben]

Last night I was camping the AC in S Ro. Eventually I saw the AC, and he went down and was looted by a certain Druid.

And then 72 minutes later I was back for another chance at the AC. I did not see it, but there were several congratulatory messages in /ooc for the same Druid.

And then the Druid was there again 72 minutes later, greedy for another.

And as I thought about it, it seemed unlikely to me that someone could sell and execute even one J Boots MQ that quickly, around 1 am est on a weekday, and be back in S Ro for the next spawn chance. The travel, the gold, getting the rapier(s), finding Hasten. And then to do it again, after 2 am?

Seems possible that if someone is attempting to monopolize the AC, which drops an item that is essential for completing the quest for one of the game's most powerful items, that they would have an economic incentive to prevent anyone else from accessing AC loot.

Is it possible to destroy a Lore item on a body without looting it? Because I am a bit confused as to what happened. I find it more or less impossible to MQ off a J Boot quest at that hour, and so quickly. But I did see the Druid loot the AC, and then he was back around an hour later, getting congratulated for another.

Considering the J Boots quest is so very important, it seems detrimental to player QoL to allow the exact classes that don't need its reward to prevent everyone else from doing the quest.

So is it okay to repeatedly track and kill a quest mob, even when it seems fairly obvious the camper is not getting anything and doing so merely to block others?

Thanks

Dude, JBoots are not that important. I don't care what anyone else says, you are better off buying SOW pots than throwing several thousand pp at a no drop item. It's pretty easy to farm 600 pp an hour, spend 2 hours doing that and never think about JBoots again.

I went to 55 on my necro and maybe spend 800 pp on sow pots total.

Fungi tunic is a completely different story. Fungi is so ridiculously good I'm surprised it doesn't go for more than 50k.

[Crawdad]

ITT

people who found a meaning to their lives farming in eq

then a bunch of normies come in and try to take it away from them, like they did 4chan and everything else

YOULL ALL RUE THE DAY WHEN US INCELS EXACT OUR REVENGE

>normies on p99
They either wouldn't know how to install or bought a legit Titanium copy, I'm not sure which disgusts me more.

[Menden]

I feel like there's a very simple, common sense rule that could be added, which wouldn't require any unclassic changes. In fact, it's very much in the spirit of other "play nice policies" guiding GMs on live during the classic era, and had this been an issue back then I feel like it's the least they would have done:



(Ok maybe that last part isn't very classic, but it seems like it would fit here :))

SRO AC isn't a camp.

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

[loramin]

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

Oh, well y'all are one step ahead of me then :)

[GnomeCaptain]

First off, thank you trolls for continuing to poop where you eat. I'm glad I rarely encounter people such as yourselves in game =)

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in a better world, you'd be right.

but that is not our world.

hope this helps!

We make our world with standards, resolve, and action. I see no reason to have rules that encourage greedy farmers to use exploits to deny access to something as central to the game as J Boots.

@OP - just wait until you're in your upper 50s / 60 in Seb camping King for a fungi tunic and the bard in your group mostly AFK singing mana song wins the roll and puts his 2nd corpse on the ground to loot his 3rd fungi of the weekend.

Sounds nasty, but incidentally I can't use the fungi, nor is it a NO DROP LORE item used for a very important quest.



Get some levels and camp AC in OoT. The Sro AC is FTE, so either play a class that can easily FTE it, get a bard or druid friend to help you, or accept you're not guaranteed it or anything here. There are no exploits going on, it just doesn't work how you want it to.

Corpsing to possess multiple LORE items is a blatant exploit of myopic code. Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"

SRO AC isn't a camp.

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

Declaring one a camp and the other not seems baseless and arbitrary.
And why do the rules of P99 permit this obvious exploit?

I don't care what anyone else says, you are better off buying SOW pots than throwing several thousand pp at a no drop item.

Exactly, I just want to do this quest, as the designers intended. Not pay some greedy, exploiting farmer a ransom so I can complete the J Boots quest.

[Danth]

Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"

They quite probably did say something like that. You might not be aware but P1999's host uses no code from the original game. The server is it's own entity, programmed specifically to re-create the original game as much as practical, in some cases even known glitches. Hence LORE items stacking on corpses is present here on purpose. They've had 9 years to take it out if they didn't want it to be here. It might be scummy, it might cause discussion and argument within the community....but that's how the original game was, so that's how they made it here.

Yeah, there are some things that aren't fully classic here. Sometimes it's because of an inability to backdate the client, other issues are out of choice. It's their world, their choice.

Danth

[eezl]

They quite probably did say something like that. You might not be aware but P1999's host uses no code from the original game. The server is it's own entity, programmed specifically to re-create the original game as much as practical, in some cases even known glitches. Hence LORE items stacking on corpses is present here on purpose. They've had 9 years to take it out if they didn't want it to be here. It might be scummy, it might cause discussion and argument within the community....but that's how the original game was, so that's how they made it here.

Yeah, there are some things that aren't fully classic here. Sometimes it's because of an inability to backdate the client, other issues are out of choice. It's their world, their choice.

Danth

Why can't I upvote.

[Maliant]

Give it up dude, a GM just explained it to you. Reason one is a camp is OOT AC has one stationary PH. SRO AC only spawns at a specific time in a random location so it's an FTE race not a camp.

I had to wait until level 60 and wait quite a while on a list to get my jboots for my necro but I got them eventually. Just keep working at it, the anticipation will make them that much better when you get them.

[aaezil]

He just doesnt know when to stop lol

[chromis]

Bind in OOT and check in from time to time, talk to the person holding the camp. Got jboots no problem around 40 on my necro this way. Zoned in oot one time and ac was up with no one around, sold that mq. Ran through SRO on a corpse run at the right time and bagged another one. Keep trying and give it some time.

[Crawdad]

Corpsing to possess multiple LORE items is a blatant exploit of myopic code. Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"

I don't really care what the designers thought, I only care about what's Classic(tm). If Haynar and co thought it was really a problem, they would change it.

Exploit exploit exploit exploit blah blah blah
:rolleyes: I get the feeling you're the same guy who was hellbent on troll-killing Hasten, too.

[Frudrura]

OP, I understand and I bless you.

You can't win here.

This place is beyond normal space and time.

This is like the 15th layer of hell.

[Ella`Ella]

First off, thank you trolls for continuing to poop where you eat. I'm glad I rarely encounter people such as yourselves in game =)

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We make our world with standards, resolve, and action. I see no reason to have rules that encourage greedy farmers to use exploits to deny access to something as central to the game as J Boots.



Sounds nasty, but incidentally I can't use the fungi, nor is it a NO DROP LORE item used for a very important quest.




Corpsing to possess multiple LORE items is a blatant exploit of myopic code. Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"



Declaring one a camp and the other not seems baseless and arbitrary.
And why do the rules of P99 permit this obvious exploit?



Exactly, I just want to do this quest, as the designers intended. Not pay some greedy, exploiting farmer a ransom so I can complete the J Boots quest.


OP isn’t long for this server...

“You’re in our world now...”

[Danth]

OP, I understand and I bless you.

You can't win here.

This place is beyond normal space and time.

This is like the 15th layer of hell.

Sure you can win. Don't get the notion that you're going to shrivel up and die if you don't get some specific item in a game that has many thousands of items. My oldest character on here was made the day P99 opened. My main was created in 2011. Neither of them have J-boots.

Danth

[Wonkie]

OP, I understand and I bless you.

You can't win here.

This place is beyond normal space and time.

This is like the 15th layer of hell.

[chromis]

This one time in sro...

http://i.imgur.com/VPowbgp.png
http://i.imgur.com/nEAM06N.png

[Topgunben]

OP, I understand and I bless you.

You can't win here.

This place is beyond normal space and time.

This is like the 15th layer of hell.

Lol totally true

[Topgunben]

I'm more frustrated about not being able to get a tooth off Trakanon. Neck beards won't let the damn dragon breathe for 5 minutes before they down him.

I just don't have it in me to compete at that level. I am moderately ok with that.

[GnomeCaptain]

They quite probably did say something like that. You might not be aware but P1999's host uses no code from the original game. The server is it's own entity, programmed specifically to re-create the original game as much as practical, in some cases even known glitches. Hence LORE items stacking on corpses is present here on purpose. They've had 9 years to take it out if they didn't want it to be here. It might be scummy, it might cause discussion and argument within the community....but that's how the original game was, so that's how they made it here.

Yeah, there are some things that aren't fully classic here. Sometimes it's because of an inability to backdate the client, other issues are out of choice. It's their world, their choice.

Danth

Thanks, Danth.

Great explanation, I didn't realize all that about the code. Certainly clarifies.

Guess I shouldn't expect anything to change anytime soon. I'll keep sending shaman children to college.

And lobby for Gnome Shadow Knights.

[Danth]

Guess I shouldn't expect anything to change anytime soon.

Not with respect to J-boots, no. The South Ro spawn has been a dog-eat-dog situation for a long time. Hence all the alternative suggestions: Use SOW potions instead, level up till you can camp the OOT cyclops (which is a formal camp, and hence rather more civil), save up 5K and buy T-boots from sol-A, and so on.

Danth

[Jimjam]

I've found if you are in zone and lose FTE race some of the regular J boot farmers of the past would accept a very significant discount if you offer to pay for loot rights, saving the farmer the bother of corpsing and MQing the ring.

Maybe not the solution you are looking for but it maybe a workable compromise.

[Phenyo]

I'm more frustrated about not being able to get a tooth off Trakanon. Neck beards won't let the damn dragon breathe for 5 minutes before they down him.

I just don't have it in me to compete at that level. I am moderately ok with that.

What would you even do with a VP key if you don't compete?

[Hibbs]

What would you even do with a VP key if you don't compete?

Gottem..

[Swish2]

I've found if you are in zone and lose FTE race some of the regular J boot farmers of the past would accept a very significant discount if you offer to pay for loot rights, saving the farmer the bother of corpsing and MQing the ring.

Maybe not the solution you are looking for but it maybe a workable compromise.

I like this meta. I'll turn up and pay 4k(?) or so then flip it for "retail" <3

A service within a service! How deep does the MQ rabbit hole go?

[Quizlop]

What would you even do with a VP key if you don't compete?

How many bloomin' onions does it cost for SoW sword loot rights?

[Shanst]

Let's hope the op isn't a mage. Going to have another rude awakening when he tries to get his epic....

[trite]

Wow, corpsing seems like yet another reason to disable MQ for the J Boots quest.

Seems like a quest designed to be enjoyed by all players (of appropriate level) shouldn't be monopolized by greedy people exploiting bugs like MQ and corpsing. It is, after all, probably the only quest in the game meant to be done by all players (of non-sowing classes) over mid-level. It's really a rite of passage for a character; back on Live on Tarrew Marr our Druids and Rangers were certainly detrimenal to player QoL, but they weren't so malicious as to monopolize the AC with cheap exploits.

Multi-boxing is not ok, but this is? Seems odd.

Thank you Messrs. pickled_heretic and Sacer for the info about corpsing.

If the pixels were trivial to acquire, you wouldn't want them so bad. It's like you said, a right of passage. I suggest camping your character out and checking back periodically especially during off hours or doing another camp for the cash to buy the MQ. It may take a week or two to get the camp (if you don't have the time to wait for it to open during peak hours) and then take like 8+ hours to camp it...

Corpsing isn't a cheap exploit. Howling stones sure would be hard to farm if you couldn't corpse the temporary keys to each wing....

[Topgunben]

What would you even do with a VP key if you don't compete?

I don't know. Never been there.

[delusion]

Just cause a class can SoW themselves doesn't mean Jboots aren't still a useful item to have. There's been many times a insta click run speed increase has saved me a death. I don't disagree with you on the rest, though.

Honestly, though, you'd probably be better off just saving up for the MQ despite the fact that it kinda sucks to have to go that route. There's plenty of money making guides in the wiki where you could have that 5k - 6k by mid teens or early 20's.

I've done 2 Jboots on two characters on this server, one I farmed plat while leveling and playing the game, one I got on the list in Oot. The prior was definitely the more enjoyable route. Ymmv.

[Venjenz]

Let's hope the op isn't a mage. Going to have another rude awakening when he tries to get his epic....
Indeed. If they hated rangers/druids before...

[stebbins99]

When I opened this thread I was half-expecting someone to be complaining about evil classes killing Captain Bosec (for exp) down in the HHK basement. My Ikky Monk initially had no idea why some lvl 15 was pissed/screaming about "goblin ears" as I went about my guard-pulling duties! Hah. I made sure to let them do their turn-ins before we pulled the next time

[XeroKill]

You know, I really dislike the term “git gud”, because in this game it mostly just means “spend more time”. It’s not like you practice getting good at EQ like you can at most skills and expect better results. The game isn’t hard.

1) It was a generic insult, as in git gud at life, as in don't be a scrub that whines about the inequities in life, but rather, improves themselves to better the odds.

2) There is absolutely skill involved in this game, or any game for that matter, and you damn well know it. There are people that can play their characters like a symphony conductor and then there are people that keyboard turn, don't macro, click spells and can't find their way through EC with a map and a tour guide. They have poor reaction timing, limited spatial awareness, zero knowledge of game mechanics, and no desire to improve any of those attributes but would rather complain about how terribly unfair it all is.

Shit players absolutely exist in this game, and odds are, if you have never spotted one... it's you.

[Maliant]

“Chances are if you can’t spot the the sucker, you are the sucker.” -Mike McDermott.

[maximillian_Swift]

then there are people that keyboard turn


HA WHAT? is that truly a complaint some people have???

[7thGate]

You can do the quest as designed with a little persistence, though you want to do it in the Ocean of Tears. JBoots are common in ALS, and since we don't MQ anything everyone needed to camp their own. We're had a number of events where we take a group and go hold down the camp for a while, and while it is contested enough that you can't just walk up and expect it to always be free, it varies a lot and is not always that bad. My boots took 6 hours total the time I got mine, and we got two in a 5 hour camp the other time I led a group there.

More than just mobility though, they're another instant click junk buff. As a Rogue, it was much easier to get to 4 with them (J Boots, Coldain Ring 8, Goblin Earring, Telescope) to absorb quad dispels. Between that, the ability to instantly reapply when they wear off or get dispelled and the bag space improvements from not needing to lug around stacks of SOW potions and the time saved in getting refreshes on stock, I've been very happy with my J Boots and would not recommend the SOW pot route.

I just wish I could use them in Halls of Testing, since then I wouldn't get partially buff stripped by Glimmer drakes. At least the other clickies usually let me protect haste and a few other buffs if I order by buff stack correctly.

[bigjeff100]

You can do the quest as designed with a little persistence, though you want to do it in the Ocean of Tears. JBoots are common in ALS, and since we don't MQ anything everyone needed to camp their own. We're had a number of events where we take a group and go hold down the camp for a while, and while it is contested enough that you can't just walk up and expect it to always be free, it varies a lot and is not always that bad. My boots took 6 hours total the time I got mine, and we got two in a 5 hour camp the other time I led a group there.

More than just mobility though, they're another instant click junk buff. As a Rogue, it was much easier to get to 4 with them (J Boots, Coldain Ring 8, Goblin Earring, Telescope) to absorb quad dispels. Between that, the ability to instantly reapply when they wear off or get dispelled and the bag space improvements from not needing to lug around stacks of SOW potions and the time saved in getting refreshes on stock, I've been very happy with my J Boots and would not recommend the SOW pot route.

I just wish I could use them in Halls of Testing, since then I wouldn't get partially buff stripped by Glimmer drakes. At least the other clickies usually let me protect haste and a few other buffs if I order by buff stack correctly.

Yeah.. Do not choose to stuff your bags full of sow pots... Pay the 5k, and get to clickin.. One day you'll pay that off. You'll never see an end to buying sow pots..

[XeroKill]

HA WHAT? is that truly a complaint some people have???

Not nearly as detrimental in a slow paced, primarily PVE oriented game like EQ, but try playing keyboard turn against a mouse-looker in any competitive PVP and you will see how some skills are superior to others in every single way. Even in non-competitive PVE, the difference is pretty significant. When I first started playing EQ in 1999 I was not only a keyboard turner but I used the arrow keys instead of WASD, and I mouse clicked everything... and if I was playing with or against that version of myself, I would dominate him in every single endeavor, full stop.

Just one tiny example of the difference: In WoW as any class with an instant ranged attack, while running forward you can jump in the air, spin 180 degrees, launch an attack against your pursuer, and turn another 180 degrees to land facing the same direction you were moving and never lose a bit of forward momentum. You can NOT accomplish this through keyboard turning.

That is a skill, and people that have it are better than those that don't. The ones that don't have it either work to get it or go on forums and complain about how this, that and the other thing are unfair and imbalanced... rather than having the grit to recognize their own short comings and strive to improve their skill set.

TL;DR Git gud!

[GnomeCaptain]

I've found if you are in zone and lose FTE race some of the regular J boot farmers of the past would accept a very significant discount if you offer to pay for loot rights, saving the farmer the bother of corpsing and MQing the ring.

Maybe not the solution you are looking for but it maybe a workable compromise.

Thanks, but the scum I see in S Ro aren't into that.

Just last night a druid (Druins) KS'd the first AC to ever spawn near me. It spawned near me, I was there first, I tash'd, he stepped in and rooted and nuked. AC KS'd.

He invited me to group, said I could loot and he'd have me suspended. I let him use lawyer-bs to threaten me into rolling for it, so I did. And I don't win rolls.

So I blame myself for succumbing to his threats.

But ya, AC was KS'd.

Neutral third party witness called him out for the KS in /ooc as it happened.

[Bummey]

i see you've met druins

[Topgunben]

i see you've met druins

Lol. Druins asked me to kill him the other night in exchange for POTG. I was happy to do so.

[7thGate]

There are plenty of ways skill can matter in EQ, ranging from messing up simple things
or making strategic errors to really quick, complex movements that are actually rather difficult to pull off. I've seen an Innoruuk raid wipe twice. Consulting the logs afterwards showed the same cleric both times took 7 seconds to respond to his CHeal chain prompt. I've seen VS fights fail because the tank didn't circle correctly and got VS stuck under a rafter, I've seen lots of problems with pets going haywire and training a raid, I've gotten a raid force wiped personally due to making incorrect assumptions about how a pather would enter our camp. A high percentage of the time I've been in a group that died due to an overpull, the group probably died due to either insufficient skill in clicking root nets or insufficient strategic forethought to acquire them. I once watched a 26 man raid force nearly wipe to an icy servant because no one had fought them before and responded incorrectly in the moment. Plenty of raid mobs with high single target damage could have been killed and were not if melee with autoavoidance discs picked up aggro with mallets or nets. I've seen push fail due to poor coordination or people pushing against each other or pets on many occasions. I've seen people eat enrage and die en masse, both in dumb ways where they just aren't paying attention and in more reasonable (but still avoidable) ones where the boss deathtouches the tank and flips on the melee during enrage. I've watched the only cleric in a raid catch aggro in a chaotic situation with an entire 18 man raid force (including myself) unable to find them and pull their adds off before they died. I've personally been unable to attack bees in sky or ashenbone drakes in hate for reasonable percentages of their fights due to wonky hitboxes. The ways you can screw up in Everquest are many, and its a learned skill to avoid them.

On the other side, I've seen a paladin LoH a tank at 1% life half way though a raid encounter. I've seen rangers and monks save a raid by picking up a target with weaponshield or void dance on a tank death. I've seen enchanter+cleric pairs duo icy servants. I've seen plenty of cleric chains work flawlessly, many tanks handle VSR correctly, lots of cheals disrupted by push or preempted entirely by mana sieve. I've seen enchanters AOE stun lock an incoming train while other casters coordinate mez and root enough to make it survivable. I have seen the cleric or enchanter take aggro and nearly die before being saved by on point tanks pulling the adds safely to themselves.

There are a lot of ways to do better or worse in this game. If you have a situation where there was a failure, think about what could have happened if everyone responded absolutely correctly with no hesitation or mistakes, and consider how that would have affected the outcome. Was there any way to win? I find the answer is usually yes unless there was a large mistake in the planning phase. I also realize both that perfection is not really a reasonable requirement, as we're all playing for fun rather than professionally, and that in the grand scheme of things I am not actually very good.

That's ok though, we play, we learn, and we improve, just like every other game and activity in existence. Asserting there is no skill in Everquest, however? I do not think so.

[Jimjam]

Thanks, but the scum I see in S Ro aren't into that.

Just last night a druid (Druins) KS'd the first AC to ever spawn near me. It spawned near me, I was there first, I tash'd, he stepped in and rooted and nuked. AC KS'd.

He invited me to group, said I could loot and he'd have me suspended. I let him use lawyer-bs to threaten me into rolling for it, so I did. And I don't win rolls.

So I blame myself for succumbing to his threats.

But ya, AC was KS'd.

Neutral third party witness called him out for the KS in /ooc as it happened.

Actually, if you landed tash you had 'first to engage' so it was your mob to loot. The other player only frightened/tricked you in to the 'roll off' agreement because he knew HE was the one at risk of suspension for KSing. It was a ploy for him to get the loot and keep you quiet; it worked.

If you are the litigious type it may at least be worth opening up a conversation about it with CSR. I imagine the ring is already MQed at this point, but perhaps you'll be able to stop another player falling foul to this farmers' tricks?

[kaluann]

i see you've met druins

Druins is still going after SRO AC? I remember always seeing him there over a year ago when I was trying to get my ring

OP - SRO AC can be hard to get but its still better than waiting on a list in OOT and then spending hours at a camp. Just park your toon there and log in at 8pm game time. You will get it eventually

[Imago]

Thanks, but the scum I see in S Ro aren't into that.

Just last night a druid (Druins) KS'd the first AC to ever spawn near me. It spawned near me, I was there first, I tash'd, he stepped in and rooted and nuked. AC KS'd.

He invited me to group, said I could loot and he'd have me suspended. I let him use lawyer-bs to threaten me into rolling for it, so I did. And I don't win rolls.

So I blame myself for succumbing to his threats.

But ya, AC was KS'd.

Neutral third party witness called him out for the KS in /ooc as it happened.

Lol he got you good. Worth a healthy snortle.

[Utanx]

Thanks, but the scum I see in S Ro aren't into that.

Just last night a druid (Druins) KS'd the first AC to ever spawn near me. It spawned near me, I was there first, I tash'd, he stepped in and rooted and nuked. AC KS'd.

He invited me to group, said I could loot and he'd have me suspended. I let him use lawyer-bs to threaten me into rolling for it, so I did. And I don't win rolls.

So I blame myself for succumbing to his threats.

But ya, AC was KS'd.

Neutral third party witness called him out for the KS in /ooc as it happened.

rofl I was there, it was a close call and it could have been either of yours. Show us proof he actually KSd you.

I'm not sure why you made this so difficult on yourself, you and Druins should have /petitioned and prayed a GM was online to handle it. You were both foolish last night.

[Maliant]

Spawned right by you and you still didn’t get FTE? Oof, git gud.
If you did get FTE you are even worse at petition quest because you haven’t provided any proof besides for your word that you were KS’d which is a pretty serious allegation. I assume you aren’t smart enough to run logs and Fraps?

[Doujou]

Thanks, but the scum I see in S Ro aren't into that.

Just last night a druid (Druins) KS'd the first AC to ever spawn near me. It spawned near me, I was there first, I tash'd, he stepped in and rooted and nuked. AC KS'd.

He invited me to group, said I could loot and he'd have me suspended. I let him use lawyer-bs to threaten me into rolling for it, so I did. And I don't win rolls.

So I blame myself for succumbing to his threats.

But ya, AC was KS'd.

Neutral third party witness called him out for the KS in /ooc as it happened.

I heard that HE got FTE, checked logs/fraps for proof, said that if you were 100% sure that YOU got FTE that you could loot, otherwise he was willing to roll on it since it was so close. You chose to roll, and lost roll.

Sorry you didn't get FTE or win roll. Keep drumming up sympathy on the forums.

[Busher]

[QUOTE=GnomeCaptain;2787358]
And I don't win rolls.

Oh Please...

[picklefixer]

1) It was a generic insult, as in git gud at life, as in don't be a scrub that whines about the inequities in life, but rather, improves themselves to better the odds.

2) There is absolutely skill involved in this game, or any game for that matter, and you damn well know it. There are people that can play their characters like a symphony conductor and then there are people that keyboard turn, don't macro, click spells and can't find their way through EC with a map and a tour guide. They have poor reaction timing, limited spatial awareness, zero knowledge of game mechanics, and no desire to improve any of those attributes but would rather complain about how terribly unfair it all is.

Shit players absolutely exist in this game, and odds are, if you have never spotted one... it's you.

Has this sumbitch been spying on me for the last 8 years ??? wtf

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[YendorLootmonkey]

then there are people that keyboard turn

Shit, i've been keyboard turning in EQ since 1999 :( in fact, i just re-installed P99 on my new computer after 3 years and was having trouble controlling my character and couldn't figure out why until I realized i had my arrow keys set to strafe instead of turn. I also click spells and hotbuttons. I'm terrible at this game :(

[Jomar]

Yendor's also the type of guy that will AFK-tank the AC with a shovel for three years just to deny the server of a JBoots source for that long.

Just a nasty guy all-around, folks.

[Buellen]

to OP if you still reading this.

Just use sow potions. over the life your character their will be very few instances where Jboots will make the difference over a sow potion. By the time your toon is higher level(to take advantage of jboots more frequently ) you can just camp the OT Ac and get your boots.

[bigjeff100]

Shit, i've been keyboard turning in EQ since 1999 :( in fact, i just re-installed P99 on my new computer after 3 years and was having trouble controlling my character and couldn't figure out why until I realized i had my arrow keys set to strafe instead of turn. I also click spells and hotbuttons. I'm terrible at this game :(

HAH! Me too man.. I don't have a special UI installed. I still click each spell, and my macro's don't get any more complicated than an incoming message.. I am also terrible at this game :) But that's how i like to play!!

[Moerne]

Shit, i've been keyboard turning in EQ since 1999 :( in fact, i just re-installed P99 on my new computer after 3 years and was having trouble controlling my character and couldn't figure out why until I realized i had my arrow keys set to strafe instead of turn. I also click spells and hotbuttons. I'm terrible at this game :(

Best way to level up sense heading (and forage if you have the skill). I can and do mouse-look, but at least 50% of the time I'm hitting that A or D button to turn.

[XeroKill]

Best way to level up sense heading (and forage if you have the skill). I can and do mouse-look, but at least 50% of the time I'm hitting that A or D button to turn.

Mouse look, Q and E for strafe, bind skills to Q and E... still don't need to keyboard turn and you get your skill ups. This also leaves ASD open for additional hotbutton action. 2 simple rebinds makes 100% of the difference in precision and control. I suggest you guys force yourself to try it for a week, you will not regret it. It will feel really bad at first, and you will have to break habits, but the payout is significant.

[Doil_Boil]

1) It was a generic insult, as in git gud at life, as in don't be a scrub that whines about the inequities in life, but rather, improves themselves to better the odds.

2) There is absolutely skill involved in this game, or any game for that matter, and you damn well know it. There are people that can play their characters like a symphony conductor and then there are people that keyboard turn, don't macro, click spells and can't find their way through EC with a map and a tour guide. They have poor reaction timing, limited spatial awareness, zero knowledge of game mechanics, and no desire to improve any of those attributes but would rather complain about how terribly unfair it all is.

Shit players absolutely exist in this game, and odds are, if you have never spotted one... it's you.

Meh, I’ve seen shitty players. The thing is, you have to be really dumb to be bad at this game. And there’s only so “good” you can be, excepting perhaps enchanters. That’s a class with a high skill cap.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Mouse look, Q and E for strafe, bind skills to Q and E... still don't need to keyboard turn and you get your skill ups. This also leaves ASD open for additional hotbutton action. 2 simple rebinds makes 100% of the difference in precision and control. I suggest you guys force yourself to try it for a week, you will not regret it. It will feel really bad at first, and you will have to break habits, but the payout is significant.

I can't turn sharp enough without using keyboard turn and mouse look simultaneously. I have my mouse sensitivity maxed. I was still getting caught on corners pulling Mistmoore for the level 30-somethings. I had to switch to keyboard turn before I had to ask a newbie in banded armor to come corpse drag my level 60 ass out of a castle full of level 30 mobs.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yendor's also the type of guy that will AFK-tank the AC with a shovel for three years just to deny the server of a JBoots source for that long.

Just a nasty guy all-around, folks.

I'm a ranger... it would be the next guy's turn within the first five minutes of me AFK-Tanking.

[mickmoranis]

Shit, i've been keyboard turning in EQ since 1999 :( in fact, i just re-installed P99 on my new computer after 3 years and was having trouble controlling my character and couldn't figure out why until I realized i had my arrow keys set to strafe instead of turn. I also click spells and hotbuttons. I'm terrible at this game :(

you would have very little fun on a red server just saying.

[Gozuk]

Can't wait to prove how good I am next season in P99 Esports

[Wonkie]

Can't wait to prove how good I am next season in P99 Esports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ROyZFB7Is

barf

[YendorLootmonkey]

you would have very little fun on a red server just saying.

Yeah, I heard there's only like 12 people on it. :(

[mickmoranis]

y wont they wipe it :(

[Cylock]

Rather than disabling MQ on this quest, I think a more expedient fix would be just to make it so the lore item check applies to active corpses as well as inventory / bank. No more corpsing AC rings or Tranny crowns.

The other fix could be for GM's to be less liberal in their restoration of rotted corpses.

Of course: NOT CLASSIC.

Unless things have changed in this area in the last year or so, server GM’s do not restore corpses with corpsed items on them. It’s on the player to keep this up, not the staff.

[fortior]

is OP the same permavirgin who spent 5 hours killing hasten and bragged on reddit about it?

[WarTurtle62]

SRO ac isn’t really a camp persay. So regardless of who’s waiting this is entirely legal.

You aren’t “wrong”, but I feel like if you’re in the zone and clearly intending to grab it, you should have some precedence under the idea of “play nice”. Killing Quillmane in South Karan’s is usually highly frowned upon and has three spawn points in a big open zone. It gets “KS’ed” sometimes-but a polite player would CC before killing. I think this Druid share an AC spawn instead of monopolizing J Boots sales.

[loramin]

You aren’t “wrong”, but I feel like if you’re in the zone and clearly intending to grab it, you should have some precedence under the idea of “play nice”. Killing Quillmane in South Karan’s is usually highly frowned upon and has three spawn points in a big open zone. It gets “KS’ed” sometimes-but a polite player would CC before killing. I think this Druid share an AC spawn instead of monopolizing J Boots sales.

I'm pretty sure you can camp Quillmane, but you have to have someone on every spawn point (and I thought there were more than three?). If you and a friend are doing a couple spawn points and someone snags a Quil you generate it's only "frowned upon", but if you've got all the spawn points and someone snags it they're KSing.

[WarTurtle62]

100% agree Loramin! Not “against the rules” to hold AC but just saying it would be polite to share and respect a would-be hunter’s intention to kill if present and actively finding. The few classes with track are at a serious advantage in the FTE format. QM might be a bad example, but if OP is waiting hour after hour in SRo, to lose his chance to a druid that just ports in an uses track seems rude and not “playing nice”, if you feel me.

[Legidias]

You gotta play the odds. Go to SRo, pick a spot, and hope it spawns on top of you.

(Another reason for TBoots)

[aaezil]

ask for better rules

sorry cant help more

[Thomacles]

IMHO...

Make Jboots your number one priority as soon as your are viable to camp it in SoRo. Yes, you will see the asshat farmers, but the AC only spawns in 5 places there. Sooner or later you will get it. (Every attempt is a one-in-five chance it will spawn atop of you.)

I made it my priority asap on my main, and I never, ever regretted it. It has saved me from dying more than I can remember, and is a HUGE time-saver for travelling.

One night after running back from HG farming, I was blowing through SoRo at like 7pm gametime, and me and a level 17 were the only ones in the zone. I thought, "Screw it, I'm just gonna wait the 20 min or so and just see."

Sure enough, not one other person entered the zone, and at 9 game time, AC popped, I ran and killed it and there it was. Now I have J-Boots and an AC ring in a wrist slot, which is cool, as I had a cloth piece previously. And since I am a caster, the +5 INT and a little armor class helps.

I agree with you completely, the farmers ruin it for people that should legitamtly be able to go after it, but it is what it is, and diligence will always eventually pay off.

Just hang in there.

I feel for you, Brother!

[gummab]

I'm pretty sure you can camp Quillmane, but you have to have someone on every spawn point (and I thought there were more than three?). If you and a friend are doing a couple spawn points and someone snags a Quil you generate it's only "frowned upon", but if you've got all the spawn points and someone snags it they're KSing.

This is not actually true about QM, you can wait at spawn points but if someone snags QM when he pops its not KSing and this is straight from the guides(there was a post about it sometime last year.)

Reason being is that QM is not a static spawn. Though if someone does snag in my view its a dick move.

[loramin]

IMHO...

Make Jboots your number one priority as soon as your are viable to camp it in SoRo. Yes, you will see the asshat farmers, but the AC only spawns in 5 places there. Sooner or later you will get it. (Every attempt is a one-in-five chance it will spawn atop of you.)

I made it my priority asap on my main, and I never, ever regretted it. It has saved me from dying more than I can remember, and is a HUGE time-saver for travelling.

One night after running back from HG farming, I was blowing through SoRo at like 7pm gametime, and me and a level 17 were the only ones in the zone. I thought, "Screw it, I'm just gonna wait the 20 min or so and just see."

Sure enough, not one other person entered the zone, and at 9 game time, AC popped, I ran and killed it and there it was. Now I have J-Boots and an AC ring in a wrist slot, which is cool, as I had a cloth piece previously. And since I am a caster, the +5 INT and a little armor class helps.

I agree with you completely, the farmers ruin it for people that should legitamtly be able to go after it, but it is what it is, and diligence will always eventually pay off.

Just hang in there.

I feel for you, Brother!

This is exactly the right approach, not just for AC camp, but for EQ in general. This game is filled with hard/rare things that take time to get, and because they're RNG-based it can feel like you're never going to get them. But if you just keep trying, eventually you will.

Of course, the real solution to all this is to pick the correct class in the first place: Shaman, Druid, Ranger or (if you can tolerate carpal tunnel) Bard ;)

[aaezil]

Only play a select grouping of classes cause people monopolize content.

Great solution guys

[aaezil]

Seeya at 9pm Druins

[loramin]

Only play a select grouping of classes cause people monopolize content.

Great solution guys

Since I guess it wasn't obvious, I was not actually suggesting that everyone on P99 should restrict themselves to only playing four classes, simply because JBoots are a pain. I was just joking that a good solution to the problem was to never need JBoots in the first place.

Although I do practice what I "preach": my three highest-level characters are a Shaman, a Druid, and a Ranger ... and (coincidentally?) that's both in order by their level, and by the level that their class got SoW at (9/14/30). I would love to play a Bard but my wrists can't handle it.

[Thomacles]

Only play a select grouping of classes cause people monopolize content.

Great solution guys


I kind if thought that odd as well.

I clearly knew Lor didn't litterlly suggest only rolling 3 classes.

/shrug

[mickmoranis]

Only play a select grouping of classes cause people monopolize content.

Great solution guys

https://i.imgur.com/ymPO1fg.png

[Cen]

Im sure my opinion is pessimistic and unpopular.. But I bought jboots for wiz. I tried sro, and you will NEVER ever ever ever ever obtain them in sro unless you are a high level druid because there is an army of 60 druids in the high raiding guilds who all port in at exactly the right time with timers set, have track and know exactly what spot the AC will spawn in at and use instants for FTE. Camp OOT after waiting in line if you want to go braindead or buy them from a 60 raiding guilded druid who has ac rings falling out of their ass. Thats your options

[destrozi]

There is no reason why you need to be 60 or in a raiding guild to nab a sro cyclops. Druid is the optimal class because of sow / track / ports though.

[Evia]

Im sure my opinion is pessimistic and unpopular.. But I bought jboots for wiz. I tried sro, and you will NEVER ever ever ever ever obtain them in sro unless you are a high level druid because there is an army of 60 druids in the high raiding guilds who all port in at exactly the right time with timers set, have track and know exactly what spot the AC will spawn in at and use instants for FTE. Camp OOT after waiting in line if you want to go braindead or buy them from a 60 raiding guilded druid who has ac rings falling out of their ass. Thats your options

I’ve landed 3 AC’s in SRo as a rogue. I definitely saw the druids port in at night but if you cycle around the desert area, while running on the 3 highest points, you can spot him and engage within 5-10 seconds. Every time I’ve snagged one tho another char (usually dru) comes up on me and watches me slay it. Definitely competitive in sro but not impossible.