AFK Leveling = Banned. New Unspoken rules Via Guide Drommund. Proof inside.

[wooly]

Discuss.

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[ssyrax82]

Ohhh no you can't go to work all day and come back 3 levels higher... isn't that sad... welcome to actually playing the game like the rest of the world. If you want to sit around and afk level go play on a server without rules?

[Salty]

lol

[Hasbinbad]

Discuss.
You're a [Expletive Removed].

[jelatin]

Don't think too many people are going to come rushing to your defense on this one.


Are you the person whose been AFK camping Travis Two tone for a week?

[Gandite]

*breaks out the world's smallest violin*

[alluvin]

Yay, about time

[Finawin]

Ohnoz, noobs can't suck cock at the game anymore and still get to 50 by accident without having ever exposed their fail to groups.

[Ikeren]

Uhm...it wasn't bannable before?

That seems like an odd...oversight.

[Hasbinbad]

*breaks out the world's smallest violin*
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http://www.milkmanthefilm.com/akirawing/img/Worlds%20Smallest%20Violin.jpg
And of course, my favorite:
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[Malrubius]

Discuss.

Cool - about time I'd say.

[wooly]

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[Aaron]

GTFO with your AFK leveling.

[wooly]

Make it a rule and specify that it's bannable. Otherwise it just looks like a guide on a power trip.

[yaaaflow]

It is a rule, its rule number 6. It may not mention banning but it clearly states AFK levelling isn't cool. Clearly if someone is repeatedly breaking any of those rules the punishments will escalate, in this case from being kicked to login screen to being banned.

[wooly]

Beating off to your girlfriend's bestfriend's porn video isn't cool. It's not illegal though. Say it's illegal and people won't do it. Just like twoboxing.

Don't just say 'it's not cool'. Then later having a GM telling you. ME HULK ME FROWN YOU BAN!

[Yoite]

this is retarded. and i seen alot of retarded shit today.

[Aeolwind]

lol, Well, I have to say my methods are far more devious, especially if someone is AFK camping half a zone away.

[yaaaflow]

Beating off to your girlfriend's bestfriend's porn video isn't cool. It's not illegal though. Say it's illegal and people won't do it. Just like twoboxing.

Don't just say 'it's not cool'. Then later having a GM telling you. ME HULK ME FROWN YOU BAN!

How much fucking clearer do you want it? the rules say you will be kicked from the game for AFK leveling. Do you really need the word illegal in there or can you read between the fucking lines?

[Qi0]

I will discuss rather than chide you for doing any complaining that you're not actually doing.


1 - How long have people been AFK leveling? Is this now a bigger deal because it's become more popular? I wonder how many players have done this, really.

2 - The 'penalty' for AFK leveling was previously being booted to desktop, as per the thread in question. Did this ever actually happen? It also seems weird that there's a penalty for it, but no mention of banning or anything. It's only 'frowned upon'.

3 - IIRC on live there's a 75% penalty to all kills where the pet's owner does not do at least 1 damage. Was this not in during classic, or is it a code issue?

[wooly]

Here's a picture of him trying to ban me over what I said in OOC.

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[Glitch]

The best part is, if you get banned for 7 days, you'll be just as afk as you were before.

[wooly]

I will discuss rather than chide you for doing any complaining that you're not actually doing.


1 - How long have people been AFK leveling? Is this now a bigger deal because it's become more popular? I wonder how many players have done this, really.

2 - The 'penalty' for AFK leveling was previously being booted to desktop, as per the thread in question. Did this ever actually happen? It also seems weird that there's a penalty for it, but no mention of banning or anything. It's only 'frowned upon'.

3 - IIRC on live there's a 75% penalty to all kills where the pet's owner does not do at least 1 damage. Was this not in during classic, or is it a code issue?

1. People have been AFK Leveling since the server started. It's becoming real popular.

2. The punishment for AFK Leveling, according to the rules in print, are Frowned upon and booted to character select. No where does it state a maximum penalty of "banishment"

3. Back in 1999, AFK Leveling was around. The 75% penalty wasn't implemented until Luclin I believe. Could've been Velious.

[Auvdar]

One of our guys mooned the GM last night pre-raid and he made that guy spin in circles repeatedly. True story!

[Wizat]

lol, Well, I have to say my methods are far more devious, especially if someone is AFK camping half a zone away.

I would just go make a PEQ character now - when a dev says devious and you are playing "you can't make me" the end result for you isn't going to be good.

[yaaaflow]

Geee whiz, in all those other rules on that page there is no specific punishment listed for them either. Except in a blanket statement at the bottom,


Failure to comply and respect these rules will be viewed as disruptive behavior and players will be subject to disciplinary action. Please dont let it come to this.


It would seem that would apply to all the rules, am I right? And banning would be a form of disciplinary action, am I right?

[wooly]

Rogean, Can you please confirm/deny if this is a bannable offense please?

[President]

Rogean, Can you please confirm/deny if this is a bannable offense please?

Hahaha are you serious? Did you not see the post about the guy who used to AFK level in ocean of tears and someone came by and dropped off a charmed mob and while he was gone he lost about 25 levels?

Yea, keep it up, that will happen to you, whether its a "banable offense" or not.

[Aeolwind]

Rogean, Can you please confirm/deny if this is a bannable offense please?

I can comment that if I find someone doing it they generally don't live much longer. After having to get your corpse off the bottom of the lava lake in Lavastorm or finding yourself 2 miles in orbit obove EC and falling fast, most folks have received the message. Another personal fave is making the pet kill its owner, or deleveling the pet, or making the pet DT the owner, or drowning, or dumping them next to the Neriak Warrior guild, I could go on.

The code is not in place to sap all the XP from pet owners yet, but if the trend continues you can pretty well bet it won't be long.

[Otto]

Rogean, Can you please confirm/deny if this is a bannable offense please?

Though I'm sure Rogean can tell you, I'd imagine the person you'd really want clarification from is Nilbog.



But none of that is really important, as afk leveling just makes you look like a tool and results in your only end game guild option with Transcendence.

Their founders started the fad after all.

[Aaron]

I'd like for pets to simply not have faction. Problem solved.

[wooly]

I can comment that if I find someone doing it they generally don't live much longer. After having to get your corpse off the bottom of the lava lake in Lavastorm or finding yourself 2 miles in orbit obove EC and falling fast, most folks have received the message. Another personal fave is making the pet kill its owner, or deleveling the pet, or making the pet DT the owner, or drowning, or dumping them next to the Neriak Warrior guild, I could go on.

The code is not in place to sap all the XP from pet owners yet, but if the trend continues you can pretty well bet it won't be long.

Bannable offense? Yes/No?

[Aeolwind]

Have I banned anyone? No.

Would I if they were busted for it more than once? I'd consider it strongly.

Would I if you made a habit of it? Absolutely.

I consider it the lamest way to level in history. Sitting half a zone away sucking up XP from your pet is honestly an exploit in mechanics. XP was never zone wide on live. While it had a large radius, it wasn't quite West Karana sized.

[Aeolwind]

I'd like for pets to simply not have faction. Problem solved.

Then you lose the issue of the pet roaming off and getting aggro....I like that. Better yet to make them just eat 90% of the XP if folks are going to roll this way.

[Qi0]

If we assume that when this became a problem on live, it was changed to take most of the xp from the owner, than I don't see why that shouldn't just be implemented. I'm sure if AFK leveling were as widespread on live at this point, it would have been fixed this 'early' in EQ history as well.

I mean really, no one will rightfully complain. It's not like this beating around the bush nonsense we're doing here.

[Finawin]

If you afk level, or have afk leveled, you are terrible and should quit gaming.

Sitting half a zone away sucking up XP from your pet is honestly an exploit in mechanics.

Exactly.

[Aaron]

Then you lose the issue of the pet roaming off and getting aggro....I like that. Better yet to make them just eat 90% of the XP if folks are going to roll this way.

Isn't that usually due to bad pathing? Almost everytime my pet aggro's something he shouldn't, it because he's jumping through a wall or went some weird way he wasn't supposed to go.

Also, if the pet gets 90% of the exp for the owner not damaging a mob, where does that leave us when we simply chain cast pets (which does require skill) or are fighting a resistant mob so we choose to play healer on pet while he does 100% of the damage?

[guineapig]

The only problem with using the exp nerf penalty as opposed to simply removing pet faction is that enchanters that attempt to solo with their animations get severely screwed.

When an enchanter uses his/her pet to solo they rely on haste, slow, possibly runes, the berserker spell line, stuns and maybe feedback (although feedback isn't that efficient when you are slowing mobs).

So basically the enchanter is doing a hell of a lot with his mana and nuking or doting doesn't always make sense.

If the server went the exp route instead of the faction route then enchanters would have to be excluded from the fix (they can't AFK level anyway).

[Qi0]

Isn't that usually due to bad pathing? Almost everytime my pet aggro's something he shouldn't, it because he's jumping through a wall or went some weird way he wasn't supposed to go.

Also, if the pet gets 90% of the exp for the owner not damaging a mob, where does that leave us when we simply chain cast pets (which does require skill) or are fighting a resistant mob so we choose to play healer on pet while he does 100% of the damage?

With pet heals being in the game (and how efficient they make soloing), do you really need to xp on something you'd need to chain cast pets on?

Also, I think it's 75%. The best reference I've found for this: http://www.xalmat.com/eqsummoners.com-old/eq1/pets-library.html

[Aaron]

With pet heals being in the game (and how efficient they make soloing), do you really need to xp on something you'd need to chain cast pets on?


Yes. At level 49 my pet heal is less than 200 hps. It's not as efficient as you're implying. Summoning a new pet is 200 mana.

[Qi0]

Yes. At level 49 my pet heal is less than 200 hps. It's not as efficient as you're implying. Summoning a new pet is 200 mana.

Ah, I didn't realize that the 44 pet heal wasn't added until PoP.

[Finawin]

Pet chaining > healing the same pet for 200 mana a pop

WAY more efficient

[Recyclebin]

I've had people try and train me after 10 minutes of alt-tab pet exp farming a single 6 minute timer mob.

*shrug* sucks, but hell levels suck too.

But regardless of how lame AFK leveling is...why are GMs popping on people doing this and taking actions beyond suspend/kick/ban? Messing with mobs/units sounds very unclassic and stupid.

Player justice is where it's served, I shouldn't have to worry about some GM popping on me while im watching TV or alt-tabbed sitting my pet somewhere because I couldn't find a group for 2 fucken hours in OOC.

[Finawin]

No, you should have to worry about getting fucked with for being a no-talent tool who exploits.

Level legitimately like everyone else should have had to do.

[Recyclebin]

No, you should have to worry about getting fucked with for being a no-talent tool who exploits.

Level legitimately like everyone else should have had to do.

Your view and statements are slightly off balance. I would consider automated macro programs and MQ and other 3rd party tools or using things like the "Tumpy Tonic" quest a "exploit".

No-talent, sure. It's a pet that's killing typically a light-blue or low blue mob, on a set timer, over and over without being at the keyboard.

Exploit, no.

No-talent, lazy, zzz - Sure.

[Finawin]

An exploit, in online games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.

You are exploiting by its very definition. Stop trying to split hairs to justify it.

[Lich]

Please do not make pets eat EXP. I have a necro and a shaman that this could affect. I have never AFK leveled and I do not want to pay the price. I do not condone AFK leveling but It does not bother me too much.

[Recyclebin]

You are exploiting by its very definition. Stop trying to split hairs to justify it.

There is no bug or design flaw. Go re-read GU Comics, remember that famous comic of a necromancer sitting with his book open and his pet in the background with 50 dead mobs surrounding it? It was a part of the game.

Feel free to explain the bug and design flaw you are talking of in great detail with sources explaining that its a bug, preferably from Sony's mouth in regards to EQ and pet classes, I will put down 100 plat that you are completely incapable of finding a source that states pets destroying mobs while the caster sits on his ass is a exploit.

[Virtuosos]

I've had people try and train me after 10 minutes of alt-tab pet exp farming a single 6 minute timer mob.

*shrug* sucks, but hell levels suck too.

But regardless of how lame AFK leveling is...why are GMs popping on people doing this and taking actions beyond suspend/kick/ban? Messing with mobs/units sounds very unclassic and stupid.

Player justice is where it's served, I shouldn't have to worry about some GM popping on me while im watching TV or alt-tabbed sitting my pet somewhere because I couldn't find a group for 2 fucken hours in OOC.

I personally think i'd rather get fucked with and die instead of banned for a week....and this isnt Live anyways. The game itself is meant to be as close to live as possible, doesnt mean the people who own and operate the server cant pick and choose their own rules. When the server management decides to make it "as close to Classic Eq Rules", then we can argue over the fact that Gm's of present are acting differently than Gm's of past.

[Recyclebin]

http://gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20001025

[herb]

I say just ban these ungrateful twats.

[Not_Famous]

Why would you argue with a GM? Isn't that kind of like arguing with a cop?

[Malrubius]

"<GM>, since you want me to stop, I will." - Fansy the Bard

True story.

[Aaron]

Why would you argue with a GM? Isn't that kind of like arguing with a cop?

It's a sense of entitlement thing some people have on this server.

[Not_Famous]

It's a sense of entitlement thing some people have on this server.

I'm sure I saw that "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign somewhere around here.

[Humerox]

Anybody caught afk leveling should be instantly IP permabanned.

Period.

[Finawin]

You're fucking retarded if you think afk leveling was an intentional design of the original EQ developers. I mean, extra chromosome and all.

The fact it went unchecked for as long as it did is NOT proof of intent, neither is a fucking online comic.

[jelatin]

Six pages of comments so far and not a single person defending wooly.


Can we officially call this thread backfired?

[Spud]

all i can say after skimming through this...


srsly?

[Erasong]

The amazing thing is all the fucking loop holes and plan retarded reasoning people are trying to use to justify AFK leveling. No one wants you to do it. None of the GM's want you to do it. the game is about community. stop being the retarded cousin no one likes.

[Salty]

Anybody caught afk leveling should be instantly IP permabanned.

Period.


You just can't be banning people left and right for small infractions.

[Zithax]

gm's doing shit they SHOULDN'T be doing? on MY p99? no wai

hey at least he warned you.

[Taluvill]

The best part is, if you get banned for 7 days, you'll be just as afk as you were before.

Best post right here.

Ok, so get this: Afk leveling is allowed, and the only class thats made is mages. gg?

[Finawin]

You just can't be banning people left and right for small infractions.

Exploiting so you can level entirely 100% afk is a small infraction? Lol

*installs MQ*

[Myth]

Pet should eat xp unless you do at least 1 damage. That means memming a level 1 spell and hitting the mob with it or meleeing for 1 pt of dmg. It requires the player to be in range of the mob and at their pc. If you must alt-tab. You start fight by nuking with a low level spell, sick pet, done.... 100% xp. There is no downside to this at all. Afk leveling will be impossible with this system and it has no detrimental effect to those that legitimately level with a pet.

[yaaaflow]

So when I'm actively playing my character, killing stuff in say Solb where on solo pulls Ill just let my pet do it's thing I should have to mem a level 1 spell and cast it on every mob I fight?

Here's a downside to that: I don't want to have a level 1 spell memmed all the time!

[Cubehacker]

I was under the impression that pets took XP if they did more than 50% of the damage to the mob. I double checked and this is what I found on an archive post from 2000 on castersrealm regarding mages:

Q: How much Experience does my pet take when I do more than 50% of the damage to the mob?
A: If you do the majority of the damage when fighting with your pet it will not take any experience from the monster. This applies only to soling however, and will not impact upon grouped situations.

Q: How much Experience does my pet take when I do less than 50% of the damage to the mob?
A: If your pet does more than 50% of the damage required to kill the mob it will take half the experience of the mob. This applies only to soling however, and will not impact upon grouped situations.


Having this in place doesn't mean people won't AFK level - they will just level 50% slower. No big deal really seeing as they are AFK anyway. But if its not in place it should be.

[Myth]

http://gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20001025

are you trying to say this is a comic of a necro afk leveling? is so, lol...

[LazyFuj]

Wow the new GM must not like AFK lvlers ...

so I read through all that and still wasn't clear on if its bannable or kicked to char screen.

Set a rule and make it CLEAR, its as simple as that. Don't just go banning people because you are getting owned in ooc.

[Myth]

So when I'm actively playing my character, killing stuff in say Solb where on solo pulls Ill just let my pet do it's thing I should have to mem a level 1 spell and cast it on every mob I fight?

Here's a downside to that: I don't want to have a level 1 spell memmed all the time!

Why not? If you are just watching your pet fight then why have any spells memmed? Seriously...
It doesn't have to be a level 1 spell. Just a lower level spell that doesn't use so much mana.

[Goobles]

If I were a GM, I would tag the person and follow them around (or not around) while they are online and see if they are AFK levelling, then port them to CShome in front of a big sign that says - "If you don't want to play the game the right way, then don't play at all"

[Zithax]

I thought afk leveling was legit? as per dev's, as it was "classic"

figure your shit out

[Finawin]

...and like I've said a billion times...

Fish rolls being able to sell for more than their individual pieces were worth to a vendor was also "classic", by that reasoning we should bring back the fish rolls exploit.

[Salty]

Bunch of qq, find more clever ways to sploit, scrubs.

[HarmoniumGuard]

Bannable offense? Yes/No?

wooly a douchebag? Yes/No?

Yes.

[Virtuosos]

if you want to AFK level, go please the EZ mode server because you're already trying your hardest to do easy-mode on a non-easymode server...


and this IS NOT classic...this is an EMU server TRYING TO ACT like classic....rules will not be the same as in classic because... well shit if i have to explain that then you're beyond hope anyways....

the people who own and operate this server can make whatever damn rule they want, it is up to them to enforce it. I am for one would like to get a definate reply about it either against rules and thus making it bannable or not against rules, just frowned upon..that way we dont get stupid shits making post like this again

[Rogean]

Q: How much Experience does my pet take when I do more than 50% of the damage to the mob?
A: If you do the majority of the damage when fighting with your pet it will not take any experience from the monster. This applies only to soling however, and will not impact upon grouped situations.

Q: How much Experience does my pet take when I do less than 50% of the damage to the mob?
A: If your pet does more than 50% of the damage required to kill the mob it will take half the experience of the mob. This applies only to soling however, and will not impact upon grouped situations.


LOL NERF BAT INCOMING

[nilbog]

The rules weren't spelled out if a: you afk, b: you're banned because there have been times when people pass out drunk.. and their pets defend them. People afk, they return to discover they never went offline. Or.. any number of things. Both of these particular situations have happened to me.

I didn't want to enforce bans for something like this. I figured "frowned upon" would be enough for someone to assume they shouldn't do it, and not get banned for a mistake. So much for good will.

I never thought it would be brought to the forums, with screenshots, for nothing other than to be loud and ask for a clarified rule if they should be banned for something that is defined as "FROWNED UPON". First thing I did was look up at my Private Messages.. I see none. I look in the petition thread, I see no posts by you. If your only defense is a screenshot where the very first line reads "This is your final warning", that doesn't sound good for your case.

Players answer to guides, guides answer to GMs, and GMs answer to project administrators. From the evidence presented, it looks like you went out of your way to cause a scene.. for nothing other than to get another rule needlessly enforced. By not complying with the guide's wishes, you're a rebel, sir.

As there hasn't been HUGE fucking drama about this before, the only new rule I'll make tonight is:

Wooly, if you're caught in the rocks with a pet up and AFK again, you will banned for 7 days.

From non compliance with the staff, you brought these paragraphs upon yourself. In the future if someone feels a guide has wronged them, make a formal petition in the petition area of the forums. You will receive a fair hearing. GMs will defend guides, and I will defend GMs.. so, if there's a player VS. guide dispute, don't bring it to the public forums? It's none of these other people's business.

Sorry, I know you guys love the drama, but this was an unnecessary 8 pages of it. "Frowned upon." Give it one last chance. Think about it. We can work on making pets eat your exp or a variety of other nasty things, but why lose a safeguard you have. If you need to emergency afk, I'm sure you'll love coming back to find your pet killed a mob and you were banned.

Listen to the staff.

Complain upwards, not laterally.

[Finawin]

Glad to see another exploit taken care of. ^_^

[Brut]

Not really sure, here. If someone wants to play the game only to have the number 50 read to the left of their name on /who, fine. Your loss, there's a whole danged in-game world out there.

Although I do admit I have been searching a while for the owners of those orphan mage pets at Travis Two Tone, so I could hand them some mummies or something.

[Qi0]

I checked more thoroughly and the 75% thing was implemented halfway through Luclin as an effort to actually buff mage soloing efficiency (while still not letting them AFK level). The 50%/50% thing seems to have been in place from either the beginning or very early.

It's pretty ridiculous that mages have been able to level with their pets doing 100% of the damage for this long, though. It makes nerfing such a thing at this point kind of weird. Technically it's less of a blow to AFK leveling to change it to 50/50, yet more of a blow to solo mages who are actually at their computer the entire time. I wonder how this works in a duo group of pet classes, too. Can you just sick both pets on a mob, heal whichever takes damage, and move on? It seems like you can.

The server consensus seems to be that anything that increases grouping potential is a good thing. I definitely agree with that philosophy, so any change will be welcome.

[wooly]

The rules weren't spelled out if a: you afk, b: you're banned because there have been times when people pass out drunk.. and their pets defend them. People afk, they return to discover they never went offline. Or.. any number of things. Both of these particular situations have happened to me.

I didn't want to enforce bans for something like this. I figured "frowned upon" would be enough for someone to assume they shouldn't do it, and not get banned for a mistake. So much for good will.

I never thought it would be brought to the forums, with screenshots, for nothing other than to be loud and ask for a clarified rule if they should be banned for something that is defined as "FROWNED UPON". First thing I did was look up at my Private Messages.. I see none. I look in the petition thread, I see no posts by you. If your only defense is a screenshot where the very first line reads "This is your final warning", that doesn't sound good for your case.

Players answer to guides, guides answer to GMs, and GMs answer to project administrators. From the evidence presented, it looks like you went out of your way to cause a scene.. for nothing other than to get another rule needlessly enforced. By not complying with the guide's wishes, you're a rebel, sir.

As there hasn't been HUGE fucking drama about this before, the only new rule I'll make tonight is:

Wooly, if you're caught in the rocks with a pet up and AFK again, you will banned for 7 days.

From non compliance with the staff, you brought these paragraphs upon yourself. In the future if someone feels a guide has wronged them, make a formal petition in the petition area of the forums. You will receive a fair hearing. GMs will defend guides, and I will defend GMs.. so, if there's a player VS. guide dispute, don't bring it to the public forums? It's none of these other people's business.

Sorry, I know you guys love the drama, but this was an unnecessary 8 pages of it. "Frowned upon." Give it one last chance. Think about it. We can work on making pets eat your exp or a variety of other nasty things, but why lose a safeguard you have. If you need to emergency afk, I'm sure you'll love coming back to find your pet killed a mob and you were banned.

Listen to the staff.

Complain upwards, not laterally.

This thread was never meant to be a defense for myself. I did it because it was only frowned upon. I'm a businessman, i'll do whatever is within the rules to succeed. Unethical doesn't always mean illegal. Since you're specifically telling me it's illegal for me, I will stop.

If you read the screenshots, you'll notice your newly two day minted guide is not very well spoken. He said this is your final warning. Fact of the matter is, it was my only warning. I haven't received any prior warnings. One is all I needed though. All I did was ask for clarification and the response I got was "because I can". If you're telling me to accept this and to drop it I will. Just know this is a horrible practice.

Also, if you read the screenshots I complied with every wish of the Guide. I ceased when he asked me too. I brought it to the forums, which he suggested. Was this wrong of me to do even though he told me to bring it to the forums? You're telling me it's wrong.

I asked for clarification of the rules. That was the real intention of this thread. Notice how the only rule you implemented was specfically for me? Does that mean it's a bannable offense if anyone else does it? According to Drommund, it is. According to your post it is not. Either way, I will not do it. The rules should be more clear and concise though.

So which is it?

Thanks in advance.

[Ghesta]

Oh for the love of god shut up.

You're in the wrong and you know you're in the wrong. Just take your licks and go back to the game.

One of the things that makes this server, and original EQ great, is the community. It's a MMO unlike WoW where most classes from level 10 or lower should have to group and get to know others to level. By the time you're level 50 you should have a guild of friends who know you, your play style, your skill. You should have friends you're not guilded with that you can call on when you need a tank, a healer, a port, a DS, or even just a hit of some crack.

Everquest, original everquest, is more about the community and personalities than any one camp, spawn, loot, or raid. If you're AFK leveling, you're not a part of that community. So why even bother playing here?

In short, quit whining, the community, gms, guides, and developers have all spoken. Join us or GTFO.

[Honus]

Ohnoz, noobs can't suck cock at the game anymore and still get to 50 by accident without having ever exposed their fail to groups.


What he said.

[Shankz]

By Nidnogs post i gathered that afk lvling is frowned on but you wont be banned unless you abuse it.

Ult Tabbing while your pet kills crap is acceptable, Staying in a area for days at a time while AFK letting your pet kill stuff is not. They are asking you not to abuse the leniency of AFK lvling, so that people may have a buffer zone like he explained incase of emergencies, falling asleep while playing (it is evercrack after all) or multi managing work/cooking/actions and EQ which you know we all do.

All in all, please dont be a jerk off and make the guides/GMs seem like dicks because you cannot take no for an answer.

[clacbec]

i think it s ok to let the pet class the chance to afk leveling up to 8-10, so it s a fair way to let people make reasonable cash to equip the main SK or whataver other class you hesitated to start with 0 survavility.

Note i m 10 wiz.

and btw, this is classic(c) !! no ?!


Clac

[Honus]

http://gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20001105

[ssyrax82]

Wooly, STFU... Business man? Seriously? What kind of crap is that. Clearly NOBODY is on your side. Man up, stop trying to justify your actions by twisting people's words and thinking you are smarter than the Guides/GMs. Nobody here thinks you are right, NOBODY.
Whether its your first warning or not, if he said its your FINAL warning, it means its your last one. Why you would continue to backtalk to the guide and try in /ooc to make him look bad just because you don't agree with him is beyond me.
When you started playing on a FREE server you agreed to play by their rules. The developers, GMs, Guides dont have to justify their actions to you. Its their game, they don't require you to pay them for their product or their time. If they say, because I said so then that's the law.
Please do us all a favor and click that little button on the character select screen that says delete.

[Ghesta]

Well see your honor, it's like this... She said she didn't really want to have sex with me. She asked me to please if I was decent to stop fucking her. She said she'd never be able to live with the shame.... but she never actually said "No" to me. I'm a buisnessman, so I don't consider it rape.

[Qi0]

Boy, this thread sure needs more posts bashing the OP for crimes against humanity.

You'd think people would thank him for making this a hot topic and likely getting changes implemented.


Edit: Is it really that hard to understand that some people will do whatever it takes to get ahead as long as it's not going to explicitly get them banned? It appears he's more than willing to receive your hatred, but not a ban. Save the rape analogies for when you actually have a point.

[clacbec]

who do you talk to ?

[Ghesta]

BSave the rape analogies for when you actually have a point.

That's a huge jump to think that I'd ever actualy have a point.

[wooly]

Boy, this thread sure needs more posts bashing the OP for crimes against humanity.

You'd think people would thank him for making this a hot topic and likely getting changes implemented.


Edit: Is it really that hard to understand that some people will do whatever it takes to get ahead as long as it's not going to explicitly get them banned? It appears he's more than willing to receive your hatred, but not a ban. Save the rape analogies for when you actually have a point.

If I can't do it, no one can. :)

You can all thank me later.

[Ghesta]

If I can't do it, no one can. :)

You can all thank me later.

Cute, now you're going to take the tact that you're the savior of the server. Cute.

[wooly]

Cute, now you're going to take the tact that you're the savior of the server. Cute.

Your english is truly horrible. Your comprehension is just as bad. Look up the definition of sarcasm.

[clacbec]

do you all like Drama that much ?

[Ghesta]

Omfg, I used a "." when I should have used a "?" how dare I! Certainly now all of the server will love you. Die in a fire.

[Fawqueue]

I don't think you'll find anyone wants to defend AFK leveling here. Although I can see why it'd be upsetting to be punished for something that is frowned upon but not specifically forbidden. For instance, the naming policy. Yesterday my surname was force-changed due to it violating the naming policy (It was Mrgimmecrack). Reason given was because surname's cannot be a phrase when said aloud. Now, that's fine if that's the server rules, but I CANNOT find anywhere a specific rule stating "here is what is acceptable". Worse, I'm running around seeing dozens of players with surnames as equally against "policy" as mine. Do I feel jaded about this? Yes. Would I feel better if I could just find one place here on the forums that said "Names cannot be a phrase when said aloud"? Sadly, I would. At least I'd know it's being enforced for a reason, and not just bad luck on my part for no apparent reason. Because we are not a role-playing server, nor is it neccessarily recreating the live '99 experience (Surnames back then were just as offbeat and out there). So while I can't support the original post because AFK leveling is something you can't argue that you thought was in the right, I can understand the feeling of being punished without specifically having a concrete reason why.

On a side note, I do think you should have just said your peace and ended it. As much as it sucks, we play by the rules given to us (even if we don't agree) and pushing too far is just a waste of time.

[ssyrax82]

I don't think you'll find anyone wants to defend AFK leveling here. Although I can see why it'd be upsetting to be punished for something that is frowned upon but not specifically forbidden. For instance, the naming policy. Yesterday my surname was force-changed due to it violating the naming policy (It was Mrgimmecrack). Reason given was because surname's cannot be a phrase when said aloud. Now, that's fine if that's the server rules, but I CANNOT find anywhere a specific rule stating "here is what is acceptable". Worse, I'm running around seeing dozens of players with surnames as equally against "policy" as mine. Do I feel jaded about this? Yes. Would I feel better if I could just find one place here on the forums that said "Names cannot be a phrase when said aloud"? Sadly, I would. At least I'd know it's being enforced for a reason, and not just bad luck on my part for no apparent reason. Because we are not a role-playing server, nor is it neccessarily recreating the live '99 experience (Surnames back then were just as offbeat and out there). So while I can't support the original post because AFK leveling is something you can't argue that you thought was in the right, I can understand the feeling of being punished without specifically having a concrete reason why.

On a side note, I do think you should have just said your peace and ended it. As much as it sucks, we play by the rules given to us (even if we don't agree) and pushing too far is just a waste of time.

So what you are really asking for here is for the Developers, and GMs to spell out every rule for you on the server. They are trying not to make the server a police state, but its apparent they will if need be. They are trying to give people the freedom to do the right thing on their own. Your parents shouldn't have to tell you dont cheat, dont lie, dont steal, dont run a red light, don't hit the dog, dont push your sister down a flight of stairs.... You just know they are wrong by the nature of them. And if for some reason you have accidentally broken a rule because you didnt know any better, or nobody told you, accept it, suck it up and stop whining. You aren't going to die because you cant have the surname you want, if its that big of a blow to your ego, maybe you should have considered that before you started playing.... A GAME....

[Rael]

Seeing as this is a private server which you're not paying for and the admins can ban you at any time for whatever they like, why would you ever willingly do something you know is frowned upon?

[Honus]

why would you ever willingly do something you know is frowned upon?


Because some people are just douchebags.

[Fawqueue]

So what you are really asking for here is for the Developers, and GMs to spell out every rule for you on the server. They are trying not to make the server a police state, but its apparent they will if need be. They are trying to give people the freedom to do the right thing on their own. Your parents shouldn't have to tell you dont cheat, dont lie, dont steal, dont run a red light, don't hit the dog, dont push your sister down a flight of stairs.... You just know they are wrong by the nature of them. And if for some reason you have accidentally broken a rule because you didnt know any better, or nobody told you, accept it, suck it up and stop whining. You aren't going to die because you cant have the surname you want, if its that big of a blow to your ego, maybe you should have considered that before you started playing.... A GAME....

Tone down on the caffiene intake maybe? My surname wasn't cheating, lying, stealing, running a red light, hitting a dog, or pushing my sister down a flight of stairs. And if you need a broader explanation, in no way illegal, immoral, or wrong. So chill out, because it's not about how I was raised or common sense. Further, I wasn't the only one it happened to, nor the only one confused by it. I'm not angry at the GMs, just curious why it happened and when I looked for reasoning I found none. So in that respect, it just seemed pointless. It is what it is, and I'll live. I just wanted to point out that yes, sometimes things happen that you'd like an explanation for (per the original posters complaint). Reading comprehension = lower blood pressure.

[Bayleo]

And if I may put my 2 cents in... is playing a mage really giving you that much trouble to begin with? I see mages constantly soloing things at lower levels than I am, that I'd need a healer to safely grind on. Are you really craving further advantage, aside from being the most overpowered soloer in the game at the moment?

[The Situation]

Seeing as this is a private server which you're not paying for and the admins can ban you at any time for whatever they like, why would you ever willingly do something you know is frowned upon?

While I think afk levelers should be banned, I'm sick of this argument. It is a private server, but we ARE paying for it. We donate to keep it open. To say we nobody should have any say in how things are run because we don't pay is preposterous. It's kept open by the player base.

Anyway, small tangent. Carry on with flaming the OP.

[Malrubius]

Carry on with flaming the OP.

I lol'd.

[Zithax]

Protip: Don't put afk tag up, you were drinking and passed out. Right on top of travis two-tone spawn.

[JinXed]

So, which member of Crash are you, Wooly?

[incorect]

I don't understand all the QQing about afk leveling. So some magicians want to make exp while they sleep... oh noes that hurts other players so much, oh wait.

The deal is that afk leveling takes research, often trial and error, and the benefits aren't that great. You don't make exp that quickly, you get no skill raises, and you get no money or loot. Plus afk levelers can be seriously screwed by other players.

In the end it takes a time investment to setup, doesn't reward the player with all the much, has risks attached, and doesn't negatively impact others. So i think people need to stop whining about afk leveling...

It's part of the classic experience... If this project was classic++ where we model classic and fix all the problems I would say ok, lets look at banning it. But this is supposed to be as close the the true classic experience as possible.

[L2Phantom]

I don't understand all the QQing about afk leveling. So some magicians want to make exp while they sleep... oh noes that hurts other players so much, oh wait.

The deal is that afk leveling takes research, often trial and error, and the benefits aren't that great. You don't make exp that quickly, you get no skill raises, and you get no money or loot. Plus afk levelers can be seriously screwed by other players.

In the end it takes a time investment to setup, doesn't reward the player with all the much, has risks attached, and doesn't negatively impact others. So i think people need to stop whining about afk leveling...

It's part of the classic experience... If this project was classic++ where we model classic and fix all the problems I would say ok, lets look at banning it. But this is supposed to be as close the the true classic experience as possible.

Looks like everyone disagrees with you, sorry.

[Virtuosos]

"But this is suppose to be as close the the true classic experience as possible."

That simple phrase that you yourself wrote (and that, well fuck, everybody else knows) says that it will be as close to classic as possible...BUT NOT CLASSIC itself. Just because we want to relive the old days does not mean we want the same shit-brained flaws as before, the same dumbass glitches and bugs, and the same mindless wastes. We want this server to simulate classic, but with minor fixes and changes that make it more enjoyable.

Afk leveling is stupid, as i stated before..if someone wants to sit and watch themself level up over night, they can go play silkroad and get out.

[WyldGunz]

you are very wise virt ... oh wait nm you worry too much how big the guys pecker is next to you at the urinals. Who cares seriously if someone can do something without causing server errors or openly exploiteding a pathing , duping bug then more power to them. I dont afk solo but who cares it is not a bug its not an exploit its just something a mage can do.

[Dac321]

Lol, too bad.. I'm going to miss inconviently running past afk levelers with a large number of mobs... all by mistake, of course.

(Pro AFK Leveling Punishment!)

[Virtuosos]

for the sake of minimizing forum drama, i shall keep all related posts to the rage-quiting wyld in the 50% thread ;)

[Soulfighter]

Drommund is an excellent guide.

[Finawin]

I disagree, but that's another issue entirely lol

[Steam65641]

... After reading this......
.....My brain hurt....
All 11 pages of people saying the same stuff over and over..... Shouldve locked it after page 1000000000000000000000000 ...

[Atern]

I say let them AFK level, but if caught immediately guildremove them (if guilded) and put them in an "AFK Levelers" guild. Also, disable their /guildremove command so they can never get out.

[Machail]

This thread needs more sex and a car chase. But so far it's not bad. Would be cool on IMAX 3D.