Fellspine crit calm resist pull

[NextToTheGods]

So I and a lot of others used to camp Fellspine in Sirens Grotto a fair amount about one year ago using a critical calm resist to pull Fellspine through a wall to an easy accessible kill spot but I was then informed that staff had contacted several guild leaders saying that this pull technique was now forbidden and that players had been, and would in the future be suspended for trying this technique. When I heard this I stopped doing this camp all together and so did the many other enchanters who soloed the camp.

The only reason I bring this up is because I now see enchanters constantly camping Fellspine using this method and I wonder if it now is fair game again, would love to hear from someone on staff what their take on this is.

XOXO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz5qFGSR4_Q
(Video is from 1 hour ago of me bind sighting on another enchanter using the crit calm resist pull)

[Mead]

looks legit

[Lordgordon]

Narc

[Zabbix]

25k haste belt drama? lol

How about you jump into the King pool and solo/duo him in there and see how that goes as a tester?

[NextToTheGods]

Well to be fair I don't care much one way or the other, I just don't want to get suspended if I were to camp it again /shrug

[bomaroast]

No GMs. No rules.

[branamil]

It's not an official rule, but GMs don't like it. There's really no way to tell how'd they rule on a petition because it's not written down.

[Vasarious]

I noticed this the other day as well and heres what I would caution:

No staff ever said anything officially to me when I did it but I do recall several other enchs, Deuced, Nybras (i think) and some others (Europa ench, dont recall who) i used to see in there that would do it telling me first hand that Braknar showed up as they were doing it, despawned Fellspine and told them directly that it was their one warning. take that for what you will but I don't see much gray area there. for a while I skated by doing it figuring if staff showed up I would just say I hadn't been informed directly, but after a while I figured I wouldnt push my luck too far so stopped. I would continue at your own risk. how much is a fellspine belt really worth to you?

[feniin]

I don't understand why critical failure lulls would be against the rules. They can fix it with line of sight requirements or make the mob immune to lull if they don't want it happening.

[Vasarious]

long story short it is a path in exploit. calm is just used because line of sight issues

[Zabbix]

Guessing that's why guy did not provide a complete video. Pathing exploits aren't looked kindly upon in EQ.

[Foxplay]

The issue would be with the mob running thru a wall not about using lull / calm to aggro their wall. Similar to having zlandicar run thru the wall and thru nothingness up to the zone line

Now whether or not a GM polices it is something else entirely

[branamil]

FWIW The GMS have depopped other crit-lull targets even if they path correctly. (Lurian in ToV). They generally hate it as a pull strategy for some reason even though its classic.

[Teppler]

Was there a spawn point for fellspine that was figured out?

I thought there was one spawn point that would create more fellspines but it was nerfed when someone figured it out and started camping it... which is what drove down spiked belts and haste items in general.

I’ve been wondering which spawn point it was...

[Bodybagger]

Someone come ban all these filthy whistles off the box. You aren't even supposed to post pathing glitches and exploits outside of that specific section of the forum FYI, so even this post asking if the actions are bannable, is a bannable offense.

But we got like 5 rusty crusty whistles in here lawyerquesting this cringey glitch pulling?

Come on dudes... since when are pathing exploits "classic"? On live that shit got you banned with a quickness if someone reported you a GM would come watch you glitch and use an exploit then dunk you. If that's what you meant by classic then yeah, mechanic classic as fuck keep doing it yall!

[White_knight]

Pathing issues are all over EQ zones. I.e I discovered one in SolA the other day by accident that you "can" abuse and heal up while a mob/mobs try to path to you.

Should you be banned for using pathing exploits like this? Yes after a first time account wide warning.

[Bodybagger]

Pathing issues are all over EQ zones. I.e I discovered one in SolA the other day by accident that you "can" abuse and heal up while a mob/mobs try to path to you.

Should you be banned for using pathing exploits like this? Yes after a first time account wide warning.

Yes, you discovered a pathing glitch, which if intentionally used to gain unintended benefits is an exploit. Exploiting pathing breakdowns is a bannable offense. No uncertainty at all. Classic, current, live, past, all iterations of EQ.

Any other questions? You are expected to report and ignore such breakdowns in the game.

Integrity is what you do when no one is there to make sure you do what's right. That's the missing component confusing yall. Dirty whistles // no integrity. Enjoy you shameless glitched pixels. As if summoning mobs through walls in dungeons is what the devs had in mind for you cretons to enjoy in their digital D&D world MMORPG which letter is exploit? Is the G for glitches?

You sicken me.

[Mead]

i would love to see a screenshot of your bugged mobs petition in sg

[Pringles]

Was there a spawn point for fellspine that was figured out?

I thought there was one spawn point that would create more fellspines but it was nerfed when someone figured it out and started camping it... which is what drove down spiked belts and haste items in general.

I’ve been wondering which spawn point it was...

It's a single PH or was a year ago or so. You can think the OP, me and raato for all that I guess.

[Solist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-CxyM3bEA

It's totally cool to do it in VP pulls though!... But banned in ToV, for consistency.

[White_knight]

Yes, you discovered a pathing glitch, which if intentionally used to gain unintended benefits is an exploit. Exploiting pathing breakdowns is a bannable offense. No uncertainty at all. Classic, current, live, past, all iterations of EQ.

Any other questions? You are expected to report and ignore such breakdowns in the game.

Integrity is what you do when no one is there to make sure you do what's right. That's the missing component confusing yall. Dirty whistles // no integrity. Enjoy you shameless glitched pixels. As if summoning mobs through walls in dungeons is what the devs had in mind for you cretons to enjoy in their digital D&D world MMORPG which letter is exploit? Is the G for glitches?

You sicken me.

Hmm. Never said I abused it...and I think people who abuse things like this should be banned, which I said.
You should channel you anger into better reading comprehension before spitting venom in people's directions.

I currently have a petition asking the GMs about a bug/exploit that could be giving people an advantage. It has 3 views from GMs in a dew days.

[Bodybagger]

Pathing issues are all over EQ zones. I.e I discovered one in SolA the other day by accident that you "can" abuse and heal up while a mob/mobs try to path to you.

Should you be banned for using pathing exploits like this? Yes after a first time account wide warning.

I discovered a glitch that can be exploited for personal gain. Should I get banned for exploiting it when it is written out in no uncertain terms in the rules? Yes, but only if I get a warning to follow the rules I already knew and stop doing shit I knew was wrong until I get caught.





Fixed* Getting a warning literally means you used it til you got caught, meaning you don't give a fuck. You don't ACCIDENTALY exploit a pathing glitch for hours on end dude. You feign plausible deniability that it wasn't some fair way to play the game and expect a GM to buy your rancid bigfoot shit diaper. FLITHY WHISTLE NEXT!

And again, anyone posting glitches and exploits here is in violation of the rules and needs to post in the correct subforum for such posts, for obvious reasons. Namely the people on here hoping to find info like this to use to their advantage until they force GM intervention via server disruptions caused by their immature inability to follow even the simplest of rules and not try to cheat the game at every possible turn, ultimately cheating only themselves and those who would suffer playing with them.

It's a blatant glitch. It's a blatant exploit. Exploiting glitches in such a way is clearly against all rulesets past present and future for live and for classic. It's a through the world pull pathing glitch and yall act confused about semantics? Grow the hell up. This is why the devs wont give us Chardok 2.0 you ingrates! Because they don't even want to deal with this absurdity any more.

[JayDee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-CxyM3bEA

It's totally cool to do it in VP pulls though!... But banned in ToV, for consistency.

Can get your law degree in the same time it would take you to understand these rules.

[Solist]

I don’t care, snacks good guy, plays hard. But it’s illegal everywhere except there apparently, and hate.

[Just facts]

Can get your law degree in the same time it would take you to understand these rules.

/This

[Jimjam]

From what I understand you can use crit resist on a general basis, but not when combining it with a pathing bug.

So you could pull caller of Sathir in KC by crit resisting his pet and having them jump down the well to basement, but you couldn't use crit resist in REDACTED to pull (the target) through some walls.

[SunDrake]

Yes, you discovered a pathing glitch, which if intentionally used to gain unintended benefits is an exploit. Exploiting pathing breakdowns is a bannable offense. No uncertainty at all. Classic, current, live, past, all iterations of EQ.


While I in no way support exploiting mechanics this is largely untrue. Classic, current, live, past, all iterations - to quote you. Frowned upon? Yes. Mostly addressed over time on most servers? Yes. Widespread bans? Absolutely, no.

[White_knight]

I discovered a glitch that can be exploited for personal gain. Should I get banned for exploiting it when it is written out in no uncertain terms in the rules? Yes, but only if I get a warning to follow the rules I already knew and stop doing shit I knew was wrong until I get caught.





Fixed* Getting a warning literally means you used it til you got caught, meaning you don't give a fuck. You don't ACCIDENTALY exploit a pathing glitch for hours on end dude. You feign plausible deniability that it wasn't some fair way to play the game and expect a GM to buy your rancid bigfoot shit diaper. FLITHY WHISTLE NEXT!

And again, anyone posting glitches and exploits here is in violation of the rules and needs to post in the correct subforum for such posts, for obvious reasons. Namely the people on here hoping to find info like this to use to their advantage until they force GM intervention via server disruptions caused by their immature inability to follow even the simplest of rules and not try to cheat the game at every possible turn, ultimately cheating only themselves and those who would suffer playing with them.

It's a blatant glitch. It's a blatant exploit. Exploiting glitches in such a way is clearly against all rulesets past present and future for live and for classic. It's a through the world pull pathing glitch and yall act confused about semantics? Grow the hell up. This is why the devs wont give us Chardok 2.0 you ingrates! Because they don't even want to deal with this absurdity any more.

Jesus loves you bro.

[kotton05]

If it’s ingame it’s as brad intended. Enforcing rules like this is beyond dumb.

Makes me happy I play on a no rules server (only after getting geared on blue n red lol)

[Mead]

exploiting and catching people doing it

shits classic

bodybagger needs jesus and probably some time away from fantasy land

[tyrant49333]

This has been confirmed by Braknar as an exploit and people have been suspended for doing it.

[Mead]

This has been confirmed by Braknar as an exploit and people have been suspended for doing it.

I don't think it needed to be confirmed

It's pretty obvious

[kotton05]

Using ingame mechanics and blaming the player, sounds about right, there is nothing exploit about it... it’s brads vision. Working as intended. Sounds like GMs only react when there is a butt hurt second party crying because they got out played

[aaezil]

Using ingame mechanics and blaming the player, sounds about right, there is nothing exploit about it... it’s brads vision. Working as intended. Sounds like GMs only react when there is a butt hurt second party crying because they got out played

This guy has obviously never programmed a line of code in his life

[kotton05]

This guy has obviously never programmed a line of code in his life

Not a single one. But why would the fault be on a player and not the developer? Emergent gameplay I think they call it.

[Mead]

Not a single one. But why would the fault be on a player and not the developer? Emergent gameplay I think they call it.

How many times you been suspended bud?

[Qtip]

Using ingame mechanics and blaming the player, sounds about right, there is nothing exploit about it... it’s brads vision. Working as intended. Sounds like GMs only react when there is a butt hurt second party crying because they got out played

How do you zone out of fear again? Garbage player talking about getting out played...

[kotton05]

How many times you been suspended bud?

6 times think next one is over a year in length

Wtf you talking about qtip??

[Teppler]

It's a single PH or was a year ago or so. You can think the OP, me and raato for all that I guess.

I've been curious for a few months now to know which was the PH. How was it figured out?

[Pringles]

I've been curious for a few months now to know which was the PH. How was it figured out?

archival research

[Emmin]

This pathing bug was definitely confirmed as an exploit by the GMs about a year ago. I remember Yeeet getting suspended over it after not being aware of the GMs stance on the exploit.

I've been curious for a few months now to know which was the PH. How was it figured out?

It was likely discovered after a server reset or earthquake. He has a 1 in 6 chance of spawning and a 1 in 3 chance of having the belt. Get to searching!

[Pringles]

It was likely discovered after a server reset or earthquake. He has a 1 in 6 chance of spawning and a 1 in 3 chance of having the belt. Get to searching!

He started off with what seemed a 33% chance which garnered a lot of belts. Sadly it seemed he got made rarer during our farming run which sucked :P

[Teppler]

This pathing bug was definitely confirmed as an exploit by the GMs about a year ago. I remember Yeeet getting suspended over it after not being aware of the GMs stance on the exploit.



It was likely discovered after a server reset or earthquake. He has a 1 in 6 chance of spawning and a 1 in 3 chance of having the belt. Get to searching!

When there's an earthquake do regular mobs always spawn their rare counterparts? I've noticed it's not only raid mobs that spawn during quakes. A mob that I camp on a long timer also usually pops during quakes. I believe Lodi pops during all quakes. So there were quakes and they would notice one spot had a fellspine? Was it every time he would spawn to fellspine on quakes? Was it a case of every seahorse could become a fellspine but one had a much higher %? This camp and how people figured it out kind of fascinates me.

[DoucLangur]

this got me curious - is this something particular to an exploit with Fellspine, or is this GM attitude general to crit resist on calm being used for pulls? I did it on my cleric ALL the time. I mean... it is kind of the way the spell is designed? You calm a bunch of mobs, and if you get an early crit resist, you got incoming, but if you don't, you eventually have a bunch of calmed mobs ready for single pulls...

[Vasarious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-CxyM3bEA

It's totally cool to do it in VP pulls though!... But banned in ToV, for consistency.

this got me curious - is this something particular to an exploit with Fellspine, or is this GM attitude general to crit resist on calm being used for pulls? I did it on my cleric ALL the time. I mean... it is kind of the way the spell is designed? You calm a bunch of mobs, and if you get an early crit resist, you got incoming, but if you don't, you eventually have a bunch of calmed mobs ready for single pulls...


to reiterate, it isn't the lull resist that is the issue. it is specifically a pathing exploit. if you do this pull properly, fellspine basically warps through a wall instead of pathing in a normal way. lull is used because it does not require line of sight. you agro him from an open pool of water while he is in a tunnel that is supposed to be dangerous to get to with tons of angry mobs between the 2 spots.

[DoucLangur]

@Vasarious: Thank you very much, that helps to understand the issue :)

[aaezil]

Lots of bad/mad nerds in here!

[commongood]

General question about using crit resist on lull as a strategy elsewhere in game:

If a mob is surrounded by kos mobs but the mob in question is not aligned with them, is it permitted to run into an adjacent room and cast lull till crit resist and wait for the mob to come single?

[kjs86z]

General question about using crit resist on lull as a strategy elsewhere in game:

If a mob is surrounded by kos mobs but the mob in question is not aligned with them, is it permitted to run into an adjacent room and cast lull till crit resist and wait for the mob to come single?

Pretty sure I did this to do https://wiki.project1999.com/Reinforcements_for_The_Tunarean_Regiment

Sorry not sorry

[Irulan]

GM time terminator cops are a legit vlassic EQ rare spawn

[Para99]

Pretty sure I did this to do https://wiki.project1999.com/Reinforcements_for_The_Tunarean_Regiment

Sorry not sorry

If you're talking about the method to pull Drioc out of the bank I wrote that part of the wiki and that's not an exploit. That's just taking advantage of lull and the way mobs transfer aggro, Drioc takes his normal path. If legit crit lull pulling was against the rules I would've been banned a long time ago.

[Troxx]

I think it’s pretty straightforward. If you abuse mobs warping through walls you risk a ban. If you use a tool to pull a mob along preset pathing and things just fail to assist due to classic coding you should be ok.

Or you could just bring enough people and tackle content as it was intended to be tackled ... but that violates p99 norms where everyone trains mobs and avoids doing content as it was intended.

#leashToVraidmobs