Wall not up

[loramin]

Let's see...

You're trying to claim walls don't work because guards can be bribed. Then you claim one country's guards are easier to bribe for....no reasons whatsoever.

Sorry, refresh me, do border guards stand around in the middle of the desert waiting for poor Mexicans to give them 2 pesos to pass on by?

Do you not see how retarded your argument is?

So, on my side of the argument I have testimony from people who worked directly under a Mexican drug kingpin, ie. objective third-party evidence supporting my belief.

And on your side of the argument you have ... a willful denial against an obvious fact (that it's a hell of a lot easier to bribe guards to smuggle drugs/people through than it is to bribe guards to smuggle bombs which could kill the guards' families through) ... and an insult.

Good show.

[mmmroo]

paying attention doesn't stop it. you can't stop it.

Awareness has stopped many evil things in there tracks. But i know amnesia is a serious issue within the population. For example when you have a war criminal (George W Bush) being presented on the Ellen show as some kind of saint (because of Trump hate syndrome) you know there is something seriously wrong in America. :eek:

[feniin]

https://www.google.com/

You're the most low-effort troll we've had in some time. What do you think of the Bowling Green Massacre? I happen to think it had more impact on society than Hillary's Genocide of Libya.

[mmmroo]

I happen to think it had more impact on society than Hillary's Genocide of Libya.

Glad you were able to learn something today.

[ScaringChildren]

So, on my side of the argument I have testimony from people who worked directly under a Mexican drug kingpin, ie. objective third-party evidence supporting my belief.

And on your side of the argument you have ... a willful denial against an obvious fact (that it's a hell of a lot easier to bribe guards to smuggle drugs/people through than it is to bribe guards to smuggle bombs which could kill the guards' families through) ... and an insult.

Good show.

So you have 'testimony' from a corrupt Mexican guard that works for the cartel.

How does that compare to US and Israeli guards again?

And this 'source' says Israeli guards are harder to bribe?

Dude, it's obvious you're pulling this info out of your ass.

Hungary and Israel both saw infiltrators decline by 90% by putting up a wall.

You're seriously trying to tell everyone that's because of corrupt guards??

The entire force would need to be corrupt and even then they wouldn't be able to fudge those numbers.

I don't know if you're trolling or actually believe your argument is sound.

You really are a dumb motherfucker lol

[Wonkie]

Awareness has stopped many evil things in there tracks. But i know amnesia is a serious issue within the population. For example when you have a war criminal (George W Bush) being presented on the Ellen show as some kind of saint (because of Trump hate syndrome) you know there is something seriously wrong in America. :eek:

trump serves the house of saud too :D

[feniin]

So you have 'testimony' from a corrupt Mexican guard that works for the cartel.

How does that compare to US and Israeli guards again?

And this 'source' says Israeli guards are harder to bribe?

Dude, it's obvious you're pulling this info out of your ass.

Hungary and Israel both saw infiltrators decline by 90% by putting up a wall.

You're seriously trying to tell everyone that's because of corrupt guards??

The entire force would need to be corrupt and even then they wouldn't be able to fudge those numbers.

I don't know if you're trolling or actually believe your argument is sound.

You really are a dumb motherfucker lol
You've become a low effort poster. Sad. Low energy. MDGA.

[ScaringChildren]

You've become a low effort poster. Sad. Low energy. MDGA.

Wow, the pure irony of this comment...

[mmmroo]

trump serves the house of saud too :D

Yes your right, and Israel. Trump isn't no JFK but at least he is trying to bring troops home from these never ending wars started by Bush and continued by Clinton, and Obama. He has also cooled tension in North Korea. If Hillary had won the presidency we would be in WW3 by now IMO.

[feniin]

Wow, the pure irony of this comment...

You just ignore any posts longer than one line. Makes it easy to just call you out for your blatant bullshit posts.

Trump's border wall won't solve immigration problems: It's just something 'morons can get behind'

[mmmroo]

What do you think of the Bowling Green Massacre? I happen to think it had more impact on society than Hillary's Genocide of Libya.



Why do you hate Libyan's so much?

[feniin]

Why do you hate Libyan's so much?

Why are you just making up a genocide that didn't happen? You probably deny the ones that actually did happen.

[mmmroo]

Why are you just making up a genocide that didn't happen? You probably deny the ones that actually did happen.


Have you read what has happened to Libya post invasion?

[ScaringChildren]

You just ignore any posts longer than one line. Makes it easy to just call you out for your blatant bullshit posts.

So how do you explain the fact that I'm speaking with Mr. Wiki boy right now and he's putting out paragraphs of (laughable) information in his comments?

Wrong again. Just like Buzzfeed :D

[mmmroo]

Why are you just making up a genocide that didn't happen? You probably deny the ones that actually did happen.

"Secretary Clinton’s war actually did make a difference. It led to a very real and very tragic humanitarian disaster."

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/hillarys-huge-libya-disaster-16600

[feniin]

Have you read what has happened to Libya post invasion?

Oh, I'm sorry, where did Hillary Clinton ethnically cleanse a group of people in Libya again? Provide sources, please. I'm busy over here trying to figure out how to unscrew this lightbulb. My poor leftist brain can't process it.

[feniin]

"Secretary Clinton’s war actually did make a difference. It led to a very real and very tragic humanitarian disaster."

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/hillarys-huge-libya-disaster-16600

rofl - may as well have linked buzzfeed or infowarz

[mmmroo]

Oh, I'm sorry, where did Hillary Clinton ethnically cleanse a group of people in Libya again? Provide sources, please. I'm busy over here trying to figure out how to unscrew this lightbulb. My poor leftist brain can't process it.

She did it by hiring a terror group to overthrow Gaddafi, now the country is a terrorist haven.

[ScaringChildren]

Oh, I'm sorry, where did Hillary Clinton ethnically cleanse a group of people in Libya again? Provide sources, please. I'm busy over here trying to figure out how to unscrew this lightbulb. My poor leftist brain can't process it.

https://youtu.be/mlz3-OzcExI

[Wonkie]

you sound like a leftist mmoroo

don't let the liberals getcha down!

[feniin]

She did it by hiring a terror group to overthrow Gaddafi, now the country is a terrorist haven.

A highly divisive figure, Gaddafi dominated Libya's politics for four decades and was the subject of a pervasive cult of personality. He was decorated with various awards and praised for his anti-imperialist stance, support for Arab—and then African—unity, and for significant improvements that his government brought to the Libyan people's quality of life. Conversely, Islamic fundamentalists strongly opposed his social and economic reforms, and he was posthumously accused of sexual abuse. He was condemned by many as a dictator whose authoritarian administration violated human rights and financed global terrorism.

Sounds like you support terrorism and sexual abuse as well as socialism and Sharia Law.

[mmmroo]

rofl - may as well have linked buzzfeed or infowarz

You can find details about her illegal war from many sources, just use that link i posted earlier to search them. Use keywords like "Hillary Clinton Libya war"

[feniin]

https://youtu.be/mlz3-OzcExI

You know I don't click on youtube links, baby girl.

[feniin]

You can find details about her illegal war from many sources, just use that link i posted earlier to search them. Use keywords like "Hillary Clinton Libya war"

Are you equating military operations to genocide? I want to know where genocide was committed. You're being hyperbolic and won't admit you made something up.

[ScaringChildren]

Trump gains 19% in job approval numbers among Latinos in one month (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/shock-poll-trump-gains-19-points-with-latino-voters-during-border-wall-shutdown/)

[mmmroo]

Sounds like you support terrorism and sexual abuse as well as socialism and Sharia Law.


No i am not, but what a country does is their business. I highly doubt Hillary went into Libya to free the people of these things (if they are even true). Oil is a powerful drug...

[ScaringChildren]

You know I don't click on youtube links, baby girl.

Not surprised that you want to shield your worldview by staying ignorant :D

[Wonkie]

Are you equating military operations to genocide? I want to know where genocide was committed. You're being hyperbolic and won't admit you made something up.

he's saying secretary clinton is somewhat responsible for the carnage in libya, having armed and funded the succeeding belligerents

i dunno if its true

[mmmroo]

Are you equating military operations to genocide? I want to know where genocide was committed. You're being hyperbolic and won't admit you made something up.

I say Genocide because of all the horrible things that have now happened in the country since Hillary's illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. Slavery, terror groups running everything, death... It's not a fraction of what it was pre Clinton war.

[feniin]

I say Genocide because of all the horrible things that have now happened in the country since Hillary's illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. Slavery, terror groups running everything, death... It's not a fraction of what it was pre Clinton war.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT GENOCIDE IS? Do I need to keep asking this question? Sure, people died. THAT ISN'T GENOCIDE. Please, show me SOMEWHERE REPUTABLE that alleges that GENOCIDE is or was occurring in Libya as a result of US Intervention.

[mmmroo]

he's saying secretary clinton is somewhat responsible for the carnage in libya, having armed and funded the succeeding belligerents

i dunno if its true

It is true, Hillary basically ruined a country for money. Sending it's inhabitance into a state of hell. And this is who America wished won the presidency lol.

[feniin]

Not surprised that you want to shield your worldview by staying ignorant :D

Nah, just no interest in watching your shitty conspiracy theorists mumble through their tooth about some sort of injustice that was done to them by Obama that Trump is supposedly fixing. (I really have no idea what you linked, nor do I care)

[mmmroo]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT GENOCIDE IS? Do I need to keep asking this question? Sure, people died. THAT ISN'T GENOCIDE. Please, show me SOMEWHERE REPUTABLE that alleges that GENOCIDE is or was occurring in Libya as a result of US Intervention.

Genocide was committed by the terror group that Hillary hired. Still going on today.

[ScaringChildren]

Nah, just no interest in watching your shitty conspiracy theorists mumble through their tooth about some sort of injustice that was done to them by Obama that Trump is supposedly fixing. (I really have no idea what you linked, nor do I care)

It's literally an interview with Hillary Clinton lol

[ScaringChildren]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT GENOCIDE IS? Do I need to keep asking this question? Sure, people died. THAT ISN'T GENOCIDE. Please, show me SOMEWHERE REPUTABLE that alleges that GENOCIDE is or was occurring in Libya as a result of US Intervention.

mad :D

[mmmroo]

It's literally an interview with Hillary Clinton lol

He is not interested in learning new things man, just regurgitation of mainstream media talking points.

[feniin]

Genocide was committed by the terror group that Hillary hired. Still going on today.

[Citation needed]

[ScaringChildren]

Wall IS up

(Buzzfeed not up)

https://i.imgur.com/a3SgSzu_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[loramin]

So you have 'testimony' from a corrupt Mexican guard that works for the cartel.

How does that compare to US and Israeli guards again?

And this 'source' says Israeli guards are harder to bribe?

Dude, it's obvious you're pulling this info out of your ass.

Hungary and Israel both saw infiltrators decline by 90% by putting up a wall.

You're seriously trying to tell everyone that's because of corrupt guards??

The entire force would need to be corrupt and even then they wouldn't be able to fudge those numbers.

I don't know if you're trolling or actually believe your argument is sound.

You really are a dumb motherfucker lol

Here's the thing: in an intellectually honest debate you're not allowed to write ... well, pretty much anything you write in your posts.

You're not allowed to dismiss arguments just by declaring so, or by blaming some unrelated fact. For instance, "So you have 'testimony' from a corrupt Mexican guard that works for the cartel." ... yes, by definition any guard testifying against El Chapo will be a corrupt guard ... but only a true idiot (or in your case, a dishonest debater) would argue that we should ignore everything every corrupt person in history has ever said as a result as a result of their corruption.

You're also not allowed to ignore obviously self-evident points because there's no "evidence", eg. it's harder to bribe a guard to let bombs through than drugs ("And this 'source' says Israeli guards are harder to bribe? Dude, it's obvious you're pulling this info out of your ass.") There's no need for evidence, only logic: if some drugs get through the border (virtually) no one cares, and there's not going to be some sort of inquest to find out which guard let the drugs through. But if bombs get through lots of people are going to care, and there absolutely will be an investigation into the guards, so logically any guard who wants to keep their job isn't going to let bombs through.

And in an intellectually honest debate you're definitely not allowed to go "neener neener I'm right and you're wrong" like a five-year old ("I don't know if you're trolling or actually believe your argument is sound. You really are a dumb motherfucker lol").

In other words, intellectually honest people don't just debate to prove how big their e-penis is, they do so to genuinely convince the other side that their position is correct, and the only way to truly convince an intelligent person of anything is with intellectually honest arguments. But you don't care about convincing anyone of anything, because you don't believe in anything, you're just a troll trying to score forum points in a forum that doesn't have points.

I'll happily call out your bullshit from time to time, but I'm not going to pretend to have a debate with you when you're not willing to devote the slightest shred of intellectual integrity to what you write.

[Ahldagor]

Kadafi was playing with fire for not using the dollar to trade oil. China knows what it's doing in Africa.

[Jimjam]

Sorry for referencing so many pages ago, but I have to call in to question the efficacy of Hadrians wall as a 'wall that works ... still working'.

Firstly, as an Englishman living in England, I must regretfully report that unfortunately two of my colleagues in the department are indeed Scottish (real Scottish, not the fake American stuff).

Secondly Hadrians wall was a series of linked observation posts designed as a military defence, sending a message of Roman presence and power, designating the extreme northern border of the Empire, not a migrationary barrier. The common folk were free to peacefully pass the border as they pleased. Trade brought wealth, the Romans liked that.

[mmmroo]

Kadafi was playing with fire for not using the dollar to trade oil. China knows what it's doing in Africa.

Gaddafi sure was! bingo bro! He was not the first to fall prey to the USA, South America got hit hard.

[mmmroo]

Sorry for referencing so many pages ago, but I have to call in to question the efficacy of Hadrians wall as a 'wall that works ... still working'.

Firstly, as an Englishman living in England, I must regretfully report that unfortunately two of my colleagues in the department are indeed Scottish (real Scottish, not the fake American stuff).

Secondly Hadrians wall was a series of linked observation posts designed as a military defence, sending a message of Roman presence and power, designating the extreme northern border of the Empire, not a migrationary barrier. The common folk were free to peacefully pass the border as they pleased. Trade brought wealth, the Romans liked that.

I stand corrected thank you sir.

[Wonkie]

Gaddafi sure was! bingo bro! He was not the first to fall prey to the USA, South America got hit hard.

https://i.imgur.com/tJvV6dk.jpg

[ScaringChildren]

Here's the thing: in an intellectually honest debate you're not allowed to write ... well, pretty much anything you write in your posts.

You're not allowed to dismiss arguments just by declaring so, or by blaming some unrelated fact. For instance, "So you have 'testimony' from a corrupt Mexican guard that works for the cartel." ... yes, by definition any guard testifying against El Chapo will be a corrupt guard ... but only a true idiot (or in your case, a dishonest debater) would argue that we should ignore everything every corrupt person in history has ever said as a result as a result of their corruption.

You're also not allowed to ignore obviously self-evident points because there's no "evidence", eg. it's harder to bribe a guard to let bombs through than drugs ("And this 'source' says Israeli guards are harder to bribe? Dude, it's obvious you're pulling this info out of your ass.") There's no need for evidence, only logic: if some drugs get through the border (virtually) no one cares, and there's not going to be some sort of inquest to find out which guard let the drugs through. But if bombs get through lots of people are going to care, and there absolutely will be an investigation into the guards, so logically any guard who wants to keep their job isn't going to let bombs through.

And in an intellectually honest debate you're definitely not allowed to go "neener neener I'm right and you're wrong" like a five-year old ("I don't know if you're trolling or actually believe your argument is sound. You really are a dumb motherfucker lol").

In other words, intellectually honest people don't just debate to prove how big their e-penis is, they do so to genuinely convince the other side that their position is correct, and the only way to truly convince an intelligent person of anything is with intellectually honest arguments. But you don't care about convincing anyone of anything, because you don't believe in anything, you're just a troll trying to score forum points in a forum that doesn't have points.

I'll happily call out your bullshit from time to time, but I'm not going to pretend to have a debate with you when you're not willing to devote the slightest shred of intellectual integrity to what you write.

That was many paragraphs of pure, nonsense.

"Intellectually honest debates" don't contain anecdotal evidence.

A corrupt border guard testifying against El Chapo can tell you about HIS experience and possibly the immediate region, but you're saying this one guard is an authority on walls and border security around the globe.

You ASSUME Israeli guards are harder to bribe. You pulled that out of your ass.

You ASSUME US border guards don't have to deal with dangerous terrorist threats on the border.

This is how you arrogantly pull your data together.

Give me SOMETHING that supports Israeli guards are harder to bribe than American guards. And no, that's not common knowledge. The truth can be either or. Probably no one knows the true answer.

Also, how the hell do corrupt guards equal walls not working?

If anything, a wall is protection against corrupt guards.

Because you could pay a guard, but how is he going to get you over the wall? A guard catapult?

Seriously dude.

You are insanely retarded.

I really mean it with you. I think there's something wrong with you. Were you dropped on your head? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

[Bones]

good thread so far keep it up guys

and /g incoming "a wall"

[mmmroo]

https://i.imgur.com/tJvV6dk.jpg

Another hot head leader? surprised are you? If this is true doubt it was serious since Gadaffi's army was miniscule. I am not in love with Gadaffi. But i believe in there being free county's that don't need to be fearing military invasions for no reason.

[Jimjam]

Just say to the deputy "I am Juan with the wall, holmes!" and he'll ring you through.

[nostalgiaquest]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?

You're dealing with cartels that have literally infinite money and there's an infinite demand here in America. Supply and demand, capitalism at its finest.

And still no one can explain exactly how Mexico is going to pay for it, even indirectly.

The USMCA, which has yet to be ratified by Congress, doesn’t differ from NAFTA in any way that would result in a substantial revenue increase. The new provisions added deal mostly with automobile manufacturing, intellectual property rights and access to Canadian dairy, which Trump has tweeted about at length. None of these put money into the US treasury. Both NAFTA and the USMCA charge no tariffs on trade with Canada and Mexico, just as was the case with NAFTA.

I've asked this multiple times. How is Mexico paying for this wall?

Not to mention that to complete this project will take years, if it ever reaches completion, Even if Trump wins a second term, i doubt that the wall would be completed before he was out of office. I've worked on multiple multi-million dollar military construction projects, and if it actually got completed without going way over budget and behind schedule I'd be incredibly surprised.

[Wonkie]

good thread so far keep it up guys

and /g incoming "a wall"

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1086734750578929664

[ScaringChildren]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?


Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

[mmmroo]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?



Personally i don't care about the flow of drugs from Mexico since Big Pharma is already allowed to sell and distribute one of the most devastating drugs around (opioids) so until that is dealt with it don't matter really. It's the human trafficking and illegal migrants that is the major issue.

[nostalgiaquest]

Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

You're not that ignorant, come on now.

You talk about your drug use from time to time on these forums. I would think you'd be more understanding to the fact that drug cartels are always one step ahead of enforcement, and that when there's a will, and billions of dollars in profit at stake, there is always a way.

I can picture it now - "oh fuck ese, there's a wall now and there's literally no way we can get by it. I guess our drug smuggling days are over. Time to pack it up and find a new multi-billion dollar industry. If only we had literally years to prepare for this wall and develop a multitude of techniques to get around it"

Life, uhhh, finds a way.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/will-trumps-wall-stop-drug-smuggling/

Also, how is Mexico paying for the wall? Surely you must know something i don't.

[Irulan]

Tbh they probably bypass the the borders mostly anyway already because it's more cost effective than, just, like, walking, across. Tbh I would just use a ballistic delivery system with parachutes and a gps that dials an encrypted server for pickup via short celldata call... Like 1mbs.

[Irulan]

Tbh they probably bypass the the borders mostly anyway already because it's more cost effective than, just, like, walking, across. Tbh I would just use a ballistic delivery system with parachutes and a gps that dials an encrypted server for pickup via short celldata call... Like 1mbs.

Also it would be fucking hilarious to fuck with Norrad.

[ScaringChildren]

You're not that ignorant, come on now.

You talk about your drug use from time to time on these forums. I would think you'd be more understanding to the fact that drug cartels are always one step ahead of enforcement, and that when there's a will, and billions of dollars in profit at stake, there is always a way.

I can picture it now - "oh fuck ese, there's a wall now and there's literally no way we can get by it. I guess our drug smuggling days are over. Time to pack it up and find a new multi-billion dollar industry. If only we had literally years to prepare for this wall and develop a multitude of techniques to get around it"

Life, uhhh, finds a way.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/will-trumps-wall-stop-drug-smuggling/

Also, how is Mexico paying for the wall? Surely you must know something i don't.

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

[Irulan]

Also it would be fucking hilarious to fuck with Norrad.

Randomly delay the calls and put an observer on station before pickup.

Could probably do a pallet at a time. They can drop relatively fast in randomly selected remote areas.

[Irulan]

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?
Commercial anti-virus sux and only protects against clickbait like 98% of the time and never protects against users actively running crap they shouldn't.

[feniin]

Commercial anti-virus sux and only protects against clickbait like 98% of the time and never protects against users actively running crap they shouldn't.

Republicans love security theater.

[Irulan]

Having the DEA running around looking for a needle in a haystack wasting hours only to just confiscate what amounts to only $1000 (cost to produce lol) in product is a fun troll.

[ScaringChildren]

Republicans love security theater.

We're responsible for providing security while the rest of you dress in furry outfits and whine about how you're oppressed.

[nostalgiaquest]

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

Weak analogy. Definition: Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren't really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy.

Because walls... sorry, barriers... and anti-virus software are the exact same thing. And hackers have the same monetary resources as Mexican drug cartels. Haha.

If i came out and said hey we have these hackers out there and we're going to spend the next 10 years developing the perfect anti-virus software, and this is exactly how its going to work when it's complete, don't you think the hackers would be ready for it?

Anti virus software doesn't cost 20 billion dollars from the US taxpayer (not Mexico) to create.

If/when the wall is complete, and drugs still flow across the border (because they will), how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of drugs come across the border at ports of entry, how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of illegal immigrants come into the USA through ports of entry and simply overstay their visas, how will the wall be adapted?

When smugglers simply tunnel under the wall, as has been done in the past, how will the wall be adapted?

Isn't it the democrats saying that they want to pursue new and innovative border security ideas? Drones, sensors, increased patrols, immigration reform etc? Wouldn't you call those ideas adapting? A wall is an archaic solution to a modern problem. A frivolous campaign promise that Trump has now backed himself into a corner with.

We're responsible for providing security while the rest of you dress in furry outfits and whine about how you're oppressed.

Hahahahaha. My hero. Posting like you're doing jack shit for the nation's security.

Also why won't you answer my question about how Mexico will pay for the wall? If you can show me, with numbers, that Mexico will pay, either directly or indirectly, for this wall then i'll happily stop asking.

[ScaringChildren]

Weak analogy. Definition: Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren't really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy.

Excellent, "weak analogy" used 3 times within a couple of sentences. It's a great analogy and can be applied to any form of security. Security is security, dumb motherfucker :)

Because walls... sorry, barriers... and anti-virus software are the exact same thing. And hackers have the same monetary resources as Mexican drug cartels. Haha.

Yes, we're talking about security. So in that regard, they are the same thing.

Also, hackers cost the US alone $600 billion each year. (https://phys.org/news/2017-02-counterfeiters-hackers-billion-year.html)

The Mexican cartel only makes about $18 billion each year. (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html)

If i came out and said hey we have these hackers out there and we're going to spend the next 10 years developing the perfect anti-virus software, and this is exactly how its going to work when it's complete, don't you think the hackers would be ready for it?

The wall is a firewall on a computer. It keeps most people out. When hackers/cartels adapt, then you also update. This is pretty simple stuff, man.

Anti virus software doesn't cost 20 billion dollars from the US taxpayer (not Mexico) to create.

You're correct. It's not 20 billion. It actually costs them MORE annually. (https://www.webfx.com/blog/internet/cost-of-computer-viruses-infographic/)

If/when the wall is complete, and drugs still flow across the border (because they will), how will the wall be adapted?

Anti-tunneling equipment, motion sensors, etc. If someone tampers with the wall, repair it.

When it is clearly documented that a majority of drugs come across the border at ports of entry, how will the wall be adapted

That data comes from seizures, which means it doesn't account for the drugs that are getting through in other areas. You can't count what you don't see. Pretty simple stuff.

When it is clearly documented that a majority of illegal immigrants come into the USA through ports of entry and simply overstay their visas, how will the wall be adapted?

Same answer. The count of the people who cross the border are unknown. You really don't use your head, man.

When smugglers simply tunnel under the wall, as has been done in the past, how will the wall be adapted?

They have technology for this issue. We've just never had a wall to test it on. Simple stuff, my dude.

Isn't it the democrats saying that they want to pursue new and innovative border security ideas? Drones, sensors, increased patrols, immigration reform etc? Wouldn't you call those ideas adapting? A wall is an archaic solution to a modern problem. A frivolous campaign promise that Trump has now backed himself into a corner with.

Let's get that AND the wall. The wall keeps out the majority of border crossings. What do you think is harder? Crossing a border without a wall or with a wall?

Walls still work. Our cellphones can't launch us over a 30 ft barrier. It's why we have fencing and why rich Democrats have walls around their yards.

[Wonkie]

obnoxious usenet reply style activated.

[ScaringChildren]

obnoxious usenet reply style activated.

Well, when someone gish gallops, you have to smack em down.

[Wonkie]

Well, when someone gish gallops, you have to smack em down.

yeah that's what you're doing.

and they say one liners are bad.

[Lune]

Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

[ScaringChildren]

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

No, the majority of what they SEIZE is at ports of entry. The other data points are totally unknown.

I suppose they could take a boat, but honestly that's the more dangerous route for them and Coast Guard will most likely intercept them.

You're the one falling for false information, so I'm not the ignorant one here.

There's plenty of studies and data on modern walls in countries like Hungary and Israel, and they both succeed amazingly at what they're supposed to do. Sometimes cutting unlawful crossing by 90%.

But you don't want to read that data because it would hurt your perceptions :(

[ScaringChildren]

yeah that's what you're doing.

and they say one liners are bad.

Do you even know what 'gish galloping' is?

[Wonkie]

Do you even know what 'gish galloping' is?

yes. it's writing a bunch of garbage in an annoying format that i don't read.

you did it great!

[Lune]

No, the majority of what they SEIZE is at ports of entry. The other data points are totally unknown.

I suppose they could take a boat, but honestly that's the more dangerous route for them and Coast Guard will most likely intercept them.

You're the one falling for false information, so I'm not the ignorant one here.

There's plenty of studies and data on modern walls in countries like Hungary and Israel, and they both succeed amazingly at what they're supposed to do. Sometimes cutting unlawful crossing by 90%.

But you don't want to read that data because it would hurt your perceptions :(

Those walls are heavily manned and designed to cover much smaller areas. I can't believe you are comparing walls in densely populated Israel to proposed territory that includes remote Texan desert. Walls also do nothing to address the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Cracking down on employers by enforcing our employment laws is cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

There is literally no reason to be against this other than because your mouth is firmly attached to Trump's anus and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth. That you haven't even addressed this idea is very telling.

[Wonkie]

Those walls are heavily manned and designed to cover much smaller areas. I can't believe you are comparing walls in densely populated Israel to proposed territory that includes remote Texan desert. Walls also do nothing to address the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Cracking down on employers by enforcing our employment laws is cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

There is literally no reason to be against this other than because your mouth is firmly attached to Trump's anus and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth. That you haven't even addressed this idea is very telling.

i would add that israel is significantly more hostile to palestinians than the US is to mexicans. they shoot em or at em all the time, which would be a big deal here and not part of our current rules of engagement. correct me if im wrong

e: inb4 tex says somethin to make me laugh

[Lune]

i would add that israel is significantly more hostile to palestinians than the US is to mexicans. they shoot em or at em all the time, which would be a big deal here and not part of our current rules of engagement. correct me if im wrong

e: inb4 tex says somethin to make me laugh

This. Nevermind the fact that the Berlin wall was obscenely militarized and those fuckers shot to kill. Was still ungodly amounts of border crossings.

[nostalgiaquest]

you're hopeless if you can't see the inherent differences between cyber security and physical border security. Security is security? What an ignorant statement.

Also, great way of avoiding the plethora of published data. you can't count what you can't see. lol.

Crossing a border is hard with a wall, that is correct. But if you think it increases the difficulty such that it will stop or have any significant impact on drug tracking through the border... well then i guess we're going to have to disagree on the tenacity and resourcefulness of drug cartels.

When are you going to explain how Mexico is going to pay for this, my dude? Im assuming it's "pretty simple stuff", right?

[mmmroo]

and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth.


Hey don't steal my material, People with Trump hate syndrome are the only ones doing any regurgitating son!

[ScaringChildren]

Those walls are heavily manned and designed to cover much smaller areas. I can't believe you are comparing walls in densely populated Israel to proposed territory that includes remote Texan desert. Walls also do nothing to address the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Cracking down on employers by enforcing our employment laws is cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

There is literally no reason to be against this other than because your mouth is firmly attached to Trump's anus and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth. That you haven't even addressed this idea is very telling.

We should also crack down on employers.

You are ignoring overwhelming evidence because you're too afraid of being wrong.

I'm sorry you're getting so defensive and attacking me, but maybe you should calm down and read more about the subject before engaging in debateful combat?

[ScaringChildren]

you're hopeless if you can't see the inherent differences between cyber security and physical border security. Security is security? What an ignorant statement.

Also, great way of avoiding the plethora of published data. you can't count what you can't see. lol.

Crossing a border is hard with a wall, that is correct. But if you think it increases the difficulty such that it will stop or have any significant impact on drug tracking through the border... well then i guess we're going to have to disagree on the tenacity and resourcefulness of drug cartels.

When are you going to explain how Mexico is going to pay for this, my dude? Im assuming it's "pretty simple stuff", right?

Sorry you got mad because I dunked on you with cited studies and facts.

Next time come with actual data rather than what CNN shoved up your pee hole.

[ScaringChildren]

yes. it's writing a bunch of garbage in an annoying format that i don't read.

you did it great!

*leans into mic*

WRONG.

[nostalgiaquest]

When are you going to explain how Mexico is going to pay for this, my dude? Im assuming it's "pretty simple stuff", right?

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/jGg01k1.png

[Lune]

We should also crack down on employers.

You are ignoring overwhelming evidence because you're too afraid of being wrong.

I'm sorry you're getting so defensive and attacking me, but maybe you should calm down and read more about the subject before engaging in debateful combat?

Give me this evidence that says a wall on the Mexican border would be a good idea. That doesn't include evidence that walls heavily manned with israelis who shoot to kill are decent at stopping invaders.

It's a big fucking waste of money. There are much better ways.

[ScaringChildren]

When are you going to explain how Mexico is going to pay for this, my dude? Im assuming it's "pretty simple stuff", right?

You'll just ignore all the facts and data and call me "stupid" without backing it up.

Why would I even entertain such an idiot? lol :D

[nostalgiaquest]

You'll just ignore all the facts and data and call me "stupid" without backing it up.

Why would I even entertain such an idiot? lol :D

Its ok if you don't know. I don't think anyone really knows.

[Madbad]

Wall still not up

[ScaringChildren]

Government still not up

[Wonkie]

north korea has given up zero

trump dumb

wall not up

[Patriam1066]

Those walls are heavily manned and designed to cover much smaller areas. I can't believe you are comparing walls in densely populated Israel to proposed territory that includes remote Texan desert. Walls also do nothing to address the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Cracking down on employers by enforcing our employment laws is cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

There is literally no reason to be against this other than because your mouth is firmly attached to Trump's anus and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth. That you haven't even addressed this idea is very telling.

I enjoyed the eclipse. Would’ve been better viewed from atop a 700 foot wall of ice

[Patriam1066]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?

You're dealing with cartels that have literally infinite money and there's an infinite demand here in America. Supply and demand, capitalism at its finest.

And still no one can explain exactly how Mexico is going to pay for it, even indirectly.

The USMCA, which has yet to be ratified by Congress, doesn’t differ from NAFTA in any way that would result in a substantial revenue increase. The new provisions added deal mostly with automobile manufacturing, intellectual property rights and access to Canadian dairy, which Trump has tweeted about at length. None of these put money into the US treasury. Both NAFTA and the USMCA charge no tariffs on trade with Canada and Mexico, just as was the case with NAFTA.

I've asked this multiple times. How is Mexico paying for this wall?

Not to mention that to complete this project will take years, if it ever reaches completion, Even if Trump wins a second term, i doubt that the wall would be completed before he was out of office. I've worked on multiple multi-million dollar military construction projects, and if it actually got completed without going way over budget and behind schedule I'd be incredibly surprised.

Mexico won’t pay for the wall, but until your son is dating a 9/10 salvadorean harlot you don’t get a say. If the wall had been built 27 years ago this tragedy could’ve been avoided. She always does the dishes at least

[ScaringChildren]

north korea has given up zero

trump dumb

wall not up

U dum dum

[loramin]

So when Trump's presidency ends (and my money's on impeachment, but who knows he might make it through his full term) and the wall still isn't built, Scared Child is going to come here and apologize for wasting hours of everyone's time with his vapid, logic-less arguments ... right? You will do that if (when) it turns out you're wrong, right Scared?

[mickmoranis]

So when Trump's presidency ends (and my money's on impeachment, but who knows he might make it through his full term) and the wall still isn't built, Scared Child is going to come here and apologize for wasting hours of everyone's time with his vapid, logic-less arguments ... right? You will do that if (when) it turns out you're wrong, right Scared?

what are YOU going to do when he is elected a second term and we build the wall?

[ScaringChildren]

So when Trump's presidency ends (and my money's on impeachment, but who knows he might make it through his full term) and the wall still isn't built, Scared Child is going to come here and apologize for wasting hours of everyone's time with his vapid, logic-less arguments ... right? You will do that if (when) it turns out you're wrong, right Scared?

Nope, I won't. The wall isn't a make or break for me. I'll continue to support Trump regardless because he's obviously trying to get the wall.

WHEN he finishs his terms and isn't impeached, I expect all you haters to suck on my cheesy nuts.

[Throndor]

what are YOU going to do when he is elected a second term and we build the wall?

My m9ney is on them throwing another 4 year temper tantrum.

[Patriam1066]

I’m writing in Michelle Obama if the mother fucker doesn’t build the wall

[loramin]

what are YOU going to do when he is elected a second term and we build the wall?

Should that impossibility actually occur I will buy you all doughnuts. Post your addresses now to get it out of the way so I know where to ship them ;)

[ScaringChildren]

Should that impossibility actually occur I will buy you all doughnuts. Post your addresses now to get it out of the way so I know where to ship them ;)

I want a blowjob.

Slow pace and tickle the balls.

[Patriam1066]

Should that impossibility actually occur I will buy you all doughnuts. Post your addresses now to get it out of the way so I know where to ship them ;)

Don’t send them carbs dude we’re paying for their future dialysis

[ScaringChildren]

Don’t send them carbs dude we’re paying for their future dialysis

He supports that.

He probably wants you to pay us even more :D

[Patriam1066]

He supports that.

He probably wants you to pay us even more :D

I believe Nixon was the dumb ass who made dialysis the responsibility of Medicare. Not 100% though

[Ahldagor]

I believe Nixon was the dumb ass who made dialysis the responsibility of Medicare. Not 100% though

It was Nixon. Learned that from John Oliver, lol.

Wall not up.

CEO of US gov trying to get layoffs for a quarterly bonus?

[Patriam1066]

WALL NOT UP

[Lune]

Congratulations Trump on undermining the federal government's integrity and ability to attract skilled people, though. For nothing.

Guess it's still a victory when your party is out to destroy the federal government though

[ScaringChildren]

He wants 3 weeks.

If he doesn't get his funding, then the government shuts down again.

See you in 3 weeks :)

[Wonkie]

WALL NOT UP

[ScaringChildren]

Government not up - wait, fuck...

[Patriam1066]

Congratulations Trump on undermining the federal government's integrity and ability to attract skilled people, though. For nothing.

Guess it's still a victory when your party is out to destroy the federal government though

We’re headed towards authoritarianism. SAD!

[Irulan]

Word on the grapevine is librels calling this a win.

(sorry my friends suck)

[Mead]

the idiots on both sides can continue attempting to "win"

as long as the federal workers are getting paid, that's all I care about

[ScaringChildren]

Word on the grapevine is librels calling this a win.

(sorry my friends suck)

Well it appears as if Trump is backing down, but he says he's temporarily opening the government for 3 weeks.

If they can't figure something out after that, it gets shut down again.

It sounds like the average leftist didn't listen to what Trump said and instead relied on CNN's headline for the complete story.

[Ahldagor]

Well it appears as if Trump is backing down, but he says he's temporarily opening the government for 3 weeks.

If they can't figure something out after that, it gets shut down again.

It sounds like the average leftist didn't listen to what Trump said and instead relied on CNN's headline for the complete story.

Then why open it back up for three weeks if you're willing to do it again? The dog and pony show will end without a wall me thinks. Trump's proly strategizing to shift to the Democrats more blame, a reset to the December negotiations. Also buried the Roger Stone arrest.

[Irulan]

Ann Coulter is cute. Looks like she got a facial and some sunlight.

[Ahldagor]

Ann Coulter is cute. Looks like she got a facial and some sunlight.

Something about her eyes turns me off. I get a desperation, controlling, and prudishness from them.

[Irulan]

Something about her eyes turns me off. I get a desperation, controlling, and prudishness from them.

Oh yah. She's definitely got serious deamons. It's obvious she's had some improvements still. My eyes?

[Throndor]

Something about her eyes turns me off. I get a desperation, controlling, and prudishness from them.

What do you get from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' eyes?

[Ahldagor]

Oh yah. She's definitely got serious deamons. It's obvious she's had some improvements still. My eyes?

Need a refresher on them.

[Ahldagor]

What do you get from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' eyes?

Respectable gumption mixed with fear from ignorance.

[Jarnauga]

https://i.imgur.com/8s5rUMQ.png

[Ahldagor]

https://i.imgur.com/8s5rUMQ.png

lol

[tycohunden]

"Yo! Lil' Donnie! I just shat in my hands and smeared it all over my face! You gon' call ICE on me? HUH!? HAHAHA! Didn't think so! What now Magatards?" -@perlmutations

[nostalgiaquest]

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/01/13/traffickers-at-the-el-chapo-trial-say-drugs-arent-smuggled-through-open-parts-of-the-border/

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/08/07/us-coast-guard-cocaine-submarine.cnn/video/playlists/drug-cartels/

Build a wall and crime will....remain the same?

[Swish2]

https://i.imgur.com/8s5rUMQ.png

Not pictured, Mexican catapults to the south.

[ScaringChildren]

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/01/13/traffickers-at-the-el-chapo-trial-say-drugs-arent-smuggled-through-open-parts-of-the-border/

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/08/07/us-coast-guard-cocaine-submarine.cnn/video/playlists/drug-cartels/

Build a wall and crime will....remain the same?

Of course the drug cartels will claim that, they don't want us to build the wall.

Are you retarded?

[ScaringChildren]

FEBRUARY 15 IS COMING

https://i.imgur.com/xwPS6zC_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[maskedmelon]

who else glad to see measles, tuberculosis and motherfucking scabies making a comeback in the US?

[Mead]

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/360168261233542/

[nostalgiaquest]

Of course the drug cartels will claim that, they don't want us to build the wall.

Are you retarded?

Sorry the facts don't support your narrative.

In industry, we have people called "subject matter experts" that we use to gather insight from before we make big decisions. I would consider an ex cartel member who has already been arrested, extradited, and pleaded guilty to drug trafficking as a pretty knowledgable resource. More-so than a burnout high school pill popper from Florida at least. He isn't an active cartel member anymore and is facing a minimum of 10 years to life sentencing. He has everything to gain from truthfully cooperating with authorities, and nothing to lose.

Why are you so intent on wasting taxpayer money when it could be spent on much more effective border security? Do you really even care about this at all or is this issue so partisan that you've dug your heels in regardless? Or, as you put it, are you retarded?

Still waiting on an explanation of how Mexico is paying for this, btw.

https://southerncaliforniaaddictioncenter.com/will-border-wall-prevent-drug-trafficking-mexico/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fox-news-trump-border-wall-mexico-illegal-immigration-government-shutdown-a8718836.html

http://fortune.com/2018/01/19/donald-trump-border-wall/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/how-chapos-cartel-gets-in-and-wreaks-havoc-on-us-soil

[ScaringChildren]

Sorry the facts don't support your narrative.

In industry, we have people called "subject matter experts" that we use to gather insight from before we make big decisions. I would consider an ex cartel member who has already been arrested, extradited, and pleaded guilty to drug trafficking as a pretty knowledgable resource. More-so than a burnout high school pill popper from Florida at least. He isn't an active cartel member anymore and is facing a minimum of 10 years to life sentencing. He has everything to gain from truthfully cooperating with authorities, and nothing to lose.

Why are you so intent on wasting taxpayer money when it could be spent on much more effective border security? Do you really even care about this at all or is this issue so partisan that you've dug your heels in regardless? Or, as you put it, are you retarded?

Still waiting on an explanation of how Mexico is paying for this, btw.

https://southerncaliforniaaddictioncenter.com/will-border-wall-prevent-drug-trafficking-mexico/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fox-news-trump-border-wall-mexico-illegal-immigration-government-shutdown-a8718836.html

http://fortune.com/2018/01/19/donald-trump-border-wall/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/how-chapos-cartel-gets-in-and-wreaks-havoc-on-us-soil

You link random opinion pieces from addiction centers...lol

You actually trust Mexican cartels to tell you the truth more than logic and common sense.

The cartel does not want to see the wall built.

Can they get around it? Sure, eventually. But that's why you continue to evolve your security.

The cartels aren't the only ones who try to cross the border. They're not the only issue.

Again, just because hackers might eventually figure out a way to get into your computer, doesn't mean you should just give up and not secure your computer.

Antivirus will keep out the majority, and you keep it updated.

[ScaringChildren]

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/360168261233542/

Aw NowThis...hit by Huffington Post layoffs...

Poor propagandists :( (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nowthis-news-is-not-news-its-a-straight-up-propaganda-outlet)

[Irulan]

who else glad to see measles, tuberculosis and motherfucking scabies making a comeback in the US?

Thank god I am vaccinated and don't lay with animals, but worried things may mutate into pandemic. Really need to cull the herd.

[maskedmelon]

Thank god I am vaccinated and don't lay with animals, but worried things may mutate into pandemic. Really need to cull the herd.

US doesn't routinely vaccinate for TB and if you got it in he military, it still only lasts around 20 years like measles vaccine. 😱

[Wonkie]

who else glad to see measles, tuberculosis and motherfucking scabies making a comeback in the US?

blame white suburban moms for being anti-vaxx

[Mblake1981]

Why are you so intent on wasting taxpayer money when it could be spent on much more effective border security?

Such as?

[Irulan]

blame white suburban moms for being anti-vaxx

white suburban moms blame autism on vaxx not big maxx

malnurattrition the # leading cause of retardation in this country

[Irulan]

wall would decrease incidence of measals as well probably

[Irulan]

and ya'll need to get real autism isn't a right, or privilege no one should have to pay for your fucking brain being malfunctional

[Irulan]

been 2005 since military vax so still good for 3 more years ish, tho i wouldn't trust it.

did get some good vaxxes at VA, but probably not measals, forgot which ones, a few good ones tho

[ScaringChildren]

blame white suburban moms for being anti-vaxx

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/where-are-black-anti-vaxxers-measles-debate-n301646

[nostalgiaquest]

You link random opinion pieces from addiction centers...lol

You actually trust Mexican cartels to tell you the truth more than logic and common sense.

The cartel does not want to see the wall built.

Can they get around it? Sure, eventually. But that's why you continue to evolve your security.

The cartels aren't the only ones who try to cross the border. They're not the only issue.

Again, just because hackers might eventually figure out a way to get into your computer, doesn't mean you should just give up and not secure your computer.

Antivirus will keep out the majority, and you keep it updated.

Im making an attempt to avoid posting articles from cnn, wapo, and the likes so you can't just attack the source. So how about this - a published DEA report, funded by Trump's own government.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18%202018%20NDTA%20final%20low%20resolution.pdf

Every single drug referenced in this report states that the majority are coming through ports of entry. Are the DEA wrong too?

But to your point about not being able to count what we can't see. If that's the case then how can you say that a wall will stop anything? I mean, if we don't know drug amounts coming across between POE's, how can we estimate the effectiveness of a wall?

The cartels don't want the wall to be built? What makes you say that? I personally think they don't give a shit about it either way. I bet they're laughing their asses off at us.

So, common sense says that it's easier to walk drugs across the border a few pounds at a time (see the DEA article) than it is to move tons in produce shipments and in hidden vehicle departments? Are you high? Shit man, they're literally building submersible vehicles that can move 60 tons at a time. That's 120000 pounds. How many people would it take to walk that across the desert? Can they get around it? Yes and they already are doing just that.

We have a known trafficker facing life in prison who has said "this is literally how we traffic drugs", and you're response is "nuh uh bro". Common sense? Sheeeeyit.

And the antivirus analogy again. Still weak. If you don't want a wall then you're obviously against border security right? <insert trump "wrong" meme here> Why not focus the antivirus efforts on where it is well documented that the problems are?

Here's another fun point. Trump tweeted that the wall will be finished in 2 years. In what reality is that possible? We're talking about the US government here. Realistically I'd be surprised if they've even started construction in two years. Government contracts are a nightmare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/experts-say-trumps-border-wall-will-take-longer-than-he-claims.html

And before you say that we've already started construction on the wall; No, we haven't.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11/675892744/fact-check-trump-says-a-lot-of-wall-has-been-built-as-he-demands-we-build-more

Here's where i think we can agree. Are their places on the southern border where a physical barrier will help prevent drug tracking? Yes, absolutely. But that's not what Trump is asking for. He wants "The Wall". 2000 miles, no wait 1000 miles. concrete, no wait, beautiful steel slats, no wait, a smart wall, no wait, I've always meant a concrete wall!

Look, if he came out and said "hey guys, we've done some research and here are some particular spots that we believe a physical barrier would be effective. I've consulted with experts in both border security and construction and here is the priority in which I propose we start building or reinforcing our infrastructure." then perhaps we could have some positive discussion. But no, it's "BUILD A WALL AND CRIME WILL FALL!!". Do you see the difference? In what world is that how you sell a product or idea? It's like he's not even trying. It's like....maybe he's trying to distract us from all of all the Mueller fun? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Lol, can you imagine if he went on Shark Tank? You said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and that's an obvious lie. So for that reason, I'm out.

Sorry the facts still don't support your narrative.

[Mblake81]

Do you have a vested interest in their not being one?

Edit: Also may I ask what part of the states you are from please? thank you. I am also curious what you would spend the money on that would equal better security at the border, appreciate your time.

I bet they're laughing their asses off at us.

No concern, have a good time.

[nostalgiaquest]

they're literally building submersible vehicles that can move 60 tons at a time. That's 120000 pounds.

Oopsies, correction. The submersible was 6 tons, 12000. My bads. Doesn't seem to want to let me edit it. Point still stands though ;)

[Mblake81]

You're probably right, you know. If the people in charge wanted that secure it would already be, it wouldn't be left up to elf pals to discuss it.

Such is the world.

[Sonderbeast]

https://i.imgur.com/mGuOW1E.gif

:cool:

Is it January already?

[Irulan]

Is it January already?

Getting close to February.

[maskedmelon]

Will be cool if the world turns out to be pretty normal and trump doesn't go to prison or even get impeached.

[Ahldagor]

Will be cool if the world turns out to be pretty normal and trump doesn't go to prison or even get impeached.

Sounds pretty fucking boring.

[Jimjam]

Crime will fall if the wall is built. Large government projects increase employment, and as crime is associated with unemployment it will fall.

Trump's iron curtain is a true celebration of the success of communism!

[ScaringChildren]

Crime will fall if the wall is built. Large government projects increase employment, and as crime is associated with unemployment it will fall.

Trump's iron curtain is a true celebration of the success of communism!

So you should support the wall, yeah?

Hypocrites without principles :D

[ScaringChildren]

Will be cool if the world turns out to be pretty normal and trump doesn't go to prison or even get impeached.

When that happens, the suicide rate will spike and I will masturbate to data. Hate will be my lubricant.

[zodium]

words words words

imagine posting at ScaringChildren like it's not just a relentless Markov chain posting bot trained on Jacob Wohl's tweet history, an entire season of Sean Hannity transcribed by a speech-to-text program from 1998 and Sarah Palin's presidential campaign speeches, but a real living human person

cute :o

[ScaringChildren]

imagine posting at ScaringChildren like it's not just a relentless Markov chain posting bot trained on Jacob Wohl's tweet history, an entire season of Sean Hannity transcribed by a speech-to-text program from 1998 and Sarah Palin's presidential campaign speeches, but a real living human person

cute :o

https://i.imgur.com/H7eY0Pk_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Patriam1066]

TRUMP didn't build the wall. I'm writing in Sanders/Mattis 2020

[ScaringChildren]

TRUMP didn't build the wall.

....yet.

February 15th, bud.

[feniin]

imagine posting at ScaringChildren like it's not just a relentless Markov chain posting bot trained on Jacob Wohl's tweet history, an entire season of Sean Hannity transcribed by a speech-to-text program from 1998 and Sarah Palin's presidential campaign speeches, but a real living human person

cute :o

Best pirate. Those poor, abused, ridiculed red hats. They think that because 90% of the world disagrees with their far-right agenda that we're all NPCs

[ScaringChildren]

They think that because 90% of the world disagrees with their far-right agenda that we're all NPCs

Bitch please, this is a global phenomenon. You're all pissing your panties because the proletariat is revolting against your world view (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/10/populists-rise-progressives-radical-right) :D

[Wonkie]

why isn't Jacob Wohl in jail yet?

Wohl not up

[ScaringChildren]

who the fuck is Jacob Wohl?

is he the right wing version of Louise Mensch?

[maskedmelon]

What happens on February 15th?

[Mblake1981]

What happens on February 15th?

The three week deadline.

[Heebs13]

What happens on February 15th?

Melania builds a wall protecting her side of the bedroom after another disaster of a Valentine's day.

[Wonkie]

how can racism be real while Melaninia is FLOTUS? :confused:

[mickmoranis]

have the democrats done anything durring this temporary re-activation of their precious federal goverment to preven it from being shut down in 10 days?

No?

Cool, democrat shutdown #2 incoming~

[mickmoranis]

how can racism be real while Melaninia is FLOTUS? :confused:

No one is saying racism isnt real. In fact the opposite. We're saying YOU are the racist.

[Heebs13]

have the democrats done anything durring this temporary re-activation of their precious federal goverment to preven it from being shut down in 10 days?

No?

Cool, democrat shutdown #2 incoming~

If Trump wanted this thing so badly maybe he should've taken the 25 billion democrats offered him for the wall a year ago. Instead he waited til they controlled the house again and then played do or die with the budget so he could blame them for it.

Bonus points for referring to the federal government as 'their precious federal government' as if the federal government only serves democrats and the United States would be better off without one.

Of course, you can't even spell 'during,' 'government,' or 'prevent,' so I'm probably wasting my time here.

[mickmoranis]

hahahah this guy ^^ thinks he's smarter than trump lol

[feniin]

wall still not up.

[feniin]

If Trump wanted this thing so badly maybe he should've taken the 25 billion democrats offered him for the wall a year ago. Instead he waited til they controlled the house again and then played do or die with the budget so he could blame them for it.

Bonus points for referring to the federal government as 'their precious federal government' as if the federal government only serves democrats and the United States would be better off without one.

Of course, you can't even spell 'during,' 'government,' or 'prevent,' so I'm probably wasting my time here.

Definitely wasting your time. Hat red, brain borked.

[ScaringChildren]

Of course, you can't even spell 'during,' 'government,' or 'prevent,' so I'm probably wasting my time here.

during. government. prevent.

What now, bitch?

https://imgur.com/0mqWjqT.gif

[ScaringChildren]

wall still not up.

ya momma pussy still stinks

[ScaringChildren]

BUILD THE WALL: Change My Mind (Autistic protester screeches) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YCdlgTnBQ&t=2s)

[Heebs13]

during. government. prevent.

What now, bitch?

https://imgur.com/0mqWjqT.gif

Now you graduate to 3rd grade. Congratulations.

[ScaringChildren]

Now you graduate to 3rd grade. Congratulations.

This 3rd grader just pwned you, son!

[Heebs13]

This 3rd grader just pwned you, son!

(I like your avatar btw.)

[mickmoranis]

wow thank god heebs13 is out there making sure we spell every word correctly in the elf sim off topic threads about politicws

[ScaringChildren]

(I like your avatar btw.)

thanks

[Heebs13]

wow thank god heebs13 is out there making sure we spell every word correctly in the elf sim off topic threads about politicws

Don't get mad. Get better.

[Sonderbeast]

hebs13 welcum to the politika chat where vokda is sour and the showers aawr yello

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/MXbKi.png

[maskedmelon]

If Trump wanted this thing so badly maybe he should've taken the 25 billion democrats offered him for the wall a year ago.

shoredew make pleasant abject shun seams enabled on tit!

[ScaringChildren]

Buzzfeed not up

[mickmoranis]

government mandated healthcare not up. anymore!

[feniin]

Wall not up

https://i.imgur.com/6r4eAed.jpg

[mickmoranis]

None of those unemployed Mexicans have healthcare on my dime anymore!

Obamacare GONE!

[feniin]

government mandated healthcare not up. anymore!

Hoping your pre-existing conditions are still covered. That beetus don't fix itself.

[ScaringChildren]

government mandated healthcare not up. anymore!

[ScaringChildren]

Hoping your pre-existing conditions are still covered. That beetus don't fix itself.

I no longer need to pay $750 a year for a penalty.

Thanks Trump!

[feniin]

I no longer need to pay $750 a year for a penalty.

Thanks Trump!

Yeah, they don't offer healthcare through your gas station attendant job, I guess. Thank goodness you won't have to pay that fine.

[mickmoranis]

you can tell how upset feniin is because he has made 6 personal attacks based on his imagination on this page alone.

[feniin]

you can tell how upset feniin is because he has made 6 personal attacks based on his imagination on this page alone.

SUPER MAD:mad:

[ScaringChildren]

Yeah, they don't offer healthcare through your gas station attendant job, I guess. Thank goodness you won't have to pay that fine.

You job shaming me, bigot?

[feniin]

You job shaming me, bigot?

Yeah. Sorry that carry out clerk at Wal-Mart doesn't provide health care.

[America]

my job doesnt provide health care lol and its prestigious

[mickmoranis]

feniin seems to assume everyone he hates works at a place that is of lesser social status than the people that work at other places he approves of.

I find that people that accuse people of being something, are the type of people that usually are THAT something.

I also find it pretty shitty of you to imply that if people are not of a certain social status they are lesser quality humans to you, like employee's at gas stations or walmart.

You really do hate other people and wish you lived in a society that put you above them.

That is another very strong indicator that you are currently in a very weak social rank in modern society.

Maybe you are not? If not, you might suffer from serious depression and you clearly have anger issues.

I mean all in all you're a fuckn mess bruh. Get help!

[America]

feniin seems to assume everyone he hates works at a place that is of lesser social status than the people that work at other places he approves of.

I find that people that accuse people of being something, are the type of people that usually are THAT something.

I also find it pretty shitty of you to imply that if people are not of a certain social status they are lesser quality humans to you, like employee's at gas stations or walmart.

You really do hate other people and wish you lived in a society that put you above them.

That is another very strong indicator that you are currently in a very weak social rank in modern society.

Maybe you are not? If not, you might suffer from serious depression and you clearly have anger issues.

I mean all in all you're a fuckn mess bruh. Get help!

good point. i would never use "walmart cashier" or w/e for invective-fodder. just wouldn't occur to me. mayb ebecause ive lived in every socioeconomic situation and found ppl to love there, and discovered that the kings & tyrants are no more as ppl than the lower, instead of spending life permanently trapped in the lower-bourgeoise idolizing those above & despising the help. ive always been a girl of the ppl, just naturally, and i think i have thus rendered myself charismatic and positive and empathetic and therein lie my chiefestmost virtues/talents. i do sometimes dehumanize other drivers when in my car, tho, particularly when drugs are wearing off near the end of a long day. but I am ALWAYS remorsful soon after - that's called grace.

[mickmoranis]

liberal logic

People who are rich? = SCUM

people who are unemployed = moral

people who are poor trying to work to pay for their family = SCUM

[America]

boojey liberal logic

white ppl working minimum wage jobs w/ no benefits? trash, deserved their penalty for not paying into insurance mafia, yuck

swarthy ppl working below minimum wage on "liberal" californian latifundia? refugees, divine beings, open the gates

[Heebs13]

I hear liberals also practice witchcraft and eat children who misbehave.

[America]

I hear liberals also practice witchcraft and eat children who misbehave.

i read that your a trash poster with no style who can't dance or jump

[Patriam1066]

None of those unemployed Mexicans have healthcare on my dime anymore!

Obamacare GONE!

Heard of EMTALA? They still get healthcare and I’m still paying for it (you are unemployed and thus are not). Thanks for making a bad problem worse!

[Heebs13]

i read that your a trash poster with no style who can't dance or jump

I'm afraid you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

[ScaringChildren]

Yeah. Sorry that carry out clerk at Wal-Mart doesn't provide health care.

I post way too much on these forums.

You think someone working at Walmart has time to do that?

They do actual work.

I get overpaid for doing barely anything because I lie to people and convince them I'm an "expert".

I get to do the weirdest shit at work because they think it "promotes creative energy".

Yeah the projects are late, but I'm PWNING some LIBTARDS on a forum about a 20 year old elf sim.

The customer will wait. Because they know it's worth it.

[Wonkie]

wall not up

[mickmoranis]

its funny that a cement wall was all it took was to completely distract and fixate all the little cuckboys that were upset about wallstreet and the 1%

[Wonkie]

its funny that a cement wall was all it took was to completely distract and fixate all the little cuckboys that were upset about wallstreet and the 1%

communism is the only way dude. its the only way. all our political leaders know it, even trump. but they have to dance around the facts to keep apes like you in line. so when you see someone talkin trash about the dialectic you should realize he's trying to fool you with the lie of freedom. wake up.

[America]

its funny that a cement wall was all it took was to completely distract and fixate all the little cuckboys that were upset about wallstreet and the 1%

YUP and there is an ideological point to fix enough dum-dum people to keep palatable socialist murderous tyranny from conquering and destroying

liberalism is for the middle of the curve (Lune). conservatism is for the wings :D

[mickmoranis]

https://youtu.be/MuBHJbEEVUA

Important questions

[misterbonkers]

demonizing white people

you got a good belly laugh out of me

[misterbonkers]

this just in, 5 year old children are responsible for racism and sexism

https://i.imgur.com/wKqjdqG.png

[Wonkie]

https://youtu.be/MuBHJbEEVUA

Important questions

if you cant debate with someone who doesnt share your goals, you're a shitty debater.

[Ahldagor]

The year the wall.

[ScaringChildren]

if you cant debate with someone who doesnt share your goals, you're a shitty debater.

Boy, you are ignorant as shit.

He means goals of the debate.

[maskedmelon]

liberalism is for the middle of the curve (Lune). conservatism is for the wings :D

O

[Patriam1066]

It will be built even if we have to deploy the sheltered millennials like you to build it with their bare hands

Citation needed. TRUMP is not doing shit (yet). Will happily admit I was wrong if he changes course and nukes El Salvador using an orbital strike from our newly minted "Space Force"

[Irulan]

I vote we call them cadets.

Space Cadets.

You are a space cadet, 'Soldier!

[Madbad]

uhhh space marine

[Perseus]

Dude lets all subscribe to socialism so we can dance around and enjoy the ashes until there is no one else's money left to spend. Then we can shit in our hands and throw it at eachother, FULL CIRCLE!

[Patriam1066]

Son’s fiancé is going to El Salvador in April. Praying they don’t let her back in. Cannot have Mayan grandchildren

She fried plantains tonight and I ate about 30 of them. God damn that and the pupusas were amazing. Am I Mexican now? Send thoughts and prayers my way. I will probably die of diabetes whilst speaking Spanish

[ScaringChildren]

Son’s fiancé is going to El Salvador in April. Praying they don’t let her back in. Cannot have Mayan grandchildren

She fried plantains tonight and I ate about 30 of them. God damn that and the pupusas were amazing. Am I Mexican now? Send thoughts and prayers my way. I will probably die of diabetes whilst speaking Spanish

Once you have South American/Cuban/Caribbean food, you never go back.

It's too good.

[Lune]

YUP and there is an ideological point to fix enough dum-dum people to keep palatable socialist murderous tyranny from conquering and destroying

liberalism is for the middle of the curve (Lune). conservatism is for the wings :D

I'd argue it's the other way around, given that a certain huge element of the liberal electorate are, on average, lumped in the lower quartile (James Watson was excommunicated from science for touching that rail), in contrast to the ivory tower intellectuals. If anything it's a Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution.

Meanwhile conservatives are mainly white, middle class, clustered around the mean with their elite being entrepreneurs and bean-counters who are self actualized enough to win the system but not enough to change the world or revolutionize the human condition. Your local rich businessman is probably conservative, but Einstein was a socialist.

[America]

I'd argue it's the other way around, given that a certain huge element of the liberal electorate are, on average, lumped in the lower quartile (James Watson was excommunicated from science for touching that rail), in contrast to the ivory tower intellectuals. If anything it's the tails of a left-shifted Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution.

Meanwhile conservatives are mainly white, middle class, clustered around the mean with their elite being entrepreneurs and bean-counters who are self actualized enough to win the system but not enough to change the world or revolutionize the human condition. Your local rich businessman is probably conservative, but Einstein was a socialist.

didn't read

[mickmoranis]

Lune has a lot of "the other team" in his idiology.

[Patriam1066]

I'd argue it's the other way around, given that a certain huge element of the liberal electorate are, on average, lumped in the lower quartile (James Watson was excommunicated from science for touching that rail), in contrast to the ivory tower intellectuals. If anything it's a Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution.

Meanwhile conservatives are mainly white, middle class, clustered around the mean with their elite being entrepreneurs and bean-counters who are self actualized enough to win the system but not enough to change the world or revolutionize the human condition. Your local rich businessman is probably conservative, but Einstein was a socialist.

Changing the world generally happens by accident. Anyone purposefully trying to do so is a dangerous narcissist and lunatic. See: our current president

It’s one thing to wake up in the morning and say, “I should stop polluting.” It’s quite another to demand that others follow suit. I think you’re misinterpreting certain moral leanings for intellectual ones. Einstein, for instance, was human garbage, but undoubtedly intelligent

[mickmoranis]

lol he was elected because of a right wing popularist movement, he isnt trying to "change the world" hes trying to get us to stop spending on money on manufacturing all over it.

his election is literally "an accident"

yikes sit down cuckboy.

[Irulan]

Changing the world generally happens by accident. Anyone purposefully trying to do so is a dangerous narcissist and lunatic. See: our current president

It’s one thing to wake up in the morning and saying, “I should stop polluting.” It’s quite another to demand that others follow suit. I think you’re misinterpreting certain moral leanings for intellectual ones. Einstein, for instance, was human garbage, but undoubtedly intelligent
Ya, but Trump is trying to go less against the grain than the Hillary tropes.

People are bat fucking shit insane right now. Especially those demanding equality and handicaps and fairness.

I wrote this epic post last night...

The question :

“Female sports can exist if they exist outside of the government within private society.”

So no women’s teams at public schools, then? What about men’s teams? Or are they just a given.

My response:

Really good question.

Issues of funding I think. The fed gov could fund unisex classes teaching softball or volleyball or football and soccer or whatever.

Everyone regardless of sex have the opportunity to learn and train for how to run safely and ergonomically. Running properly is an art, it wasn't even trained properly in the military. Sprinting is different as well.

Those funds don't need to go to a segregated class for teaching.

If the PTA or city I guess want have a bakesale or separate additional membership to create segregated competitive teams, they should.

But everyone can learn how to play basketball, shoot hoops, and make dunks in the same class IMO.

The primary role of public schools are to educate. Education of fitness is not something that needs to be taught separately. The games are roughly the same.

As far as safety, definitely kids shouldn't be playing full tackle all out football against either sex or gender when one kid is totally out classed in size or physicality.

As a noob in hand to hand training I was taught to never underestimate my opponents even if they where 5'1".

Again, martial training falls into its not about competition, it's about defense or offense against a diverse set of opponents.

We as a people are constantly handicapping ourselves and our children trying to make everything perfectly fair.

Should a person with male muscle mass, density, and hormones wrestle competatively against natal females in a contest? Imo no. But can they train together. Ya. In most cases.

Also the class can be mixed for training, but say running sprints, you can have 1st prize, 1st prize male, 1st prize female etc..

The government simply can just stay out of it. We should fund public schools in such a way as females aren't excluded and males vice versa.

I mean cheerleaders have always been pretty coed. Most classes I took where coed. So the sexes compete in different prizes. Big woop. I am not trying to be the fastest female or woman on the track. I am trying to be the fastest period. Or at least faster than myself ;p

Ps I like where you're going, but also want to mention that because of my size and ability, I was discriminated against in sports. Always picked last. I still learned to play and gave it my all.

I felt it sucked aswell competing against guys who where all far superior. I was a tough kid, but I didn't really make the cut as a boy either. Perhaps in a coed class I would have had a more evenly matched team to play in? We won't know if we don't allow for it because we use an outdated model where there's no room for compromise because we we sorted all out according to the law. Not individual ability, or individuality ;p


Tldr: everyone wants to use the federal government to place individuals on sports teams.

What the fuck. This is un-American and some ignorant socialistic communist dictator crap.

My free market private solutions above are what we've always had before and the God damned courts need to protect.

Caveat: the fed stays entirely out of private business spaces and schools and lets them regulate themselves as they see fit.

The public school is a privilege we grant to the lowest common denominator in an effort to raise them up from poverty and ignorance.

[Patriam1066]

lol he was elected because of a right wing popularist movement, he isnt trying to "change the world" hes trying to get us to stop spending on money on manufacturing all over it.

his election is literally "an accident"

yikes sit down cuckboy.

Trump doesn’t like America’s foreign policy or economy. He’s upended decades of common practice of both parties. Until he builds the wall he’s dead to me. Regardless of what he does, he’s morally unfit for office

[Patriam1066]

TRUMP is a bad example for my grandchildren. There’s really nothing else to say. Sorry y’all are mad. Seek Christ

[mickmoranis]

Trump doesn’t like America’s foreign policy or economy. He’s upended decades of common practice of both parties. Until he builds the wall he’s dead to me. Regardless of what he does, he’s morally unfit for office

He's not morally unfit anymore than anyone else, he just is OPEN and honest about who he is.

Turn off the news and libtard comedy or whatever the fuck you're watching cus you spout brainwashed shit all the time dog.

TRUMP is a bad example for my grandchildren. There’s really nothing else to say. Sorry y’all are mad. Seek Christ

Cool then they wont act like him.

unless you dont know how to be a grandfather? or a father?

You expect the government to raise your kids?

[Irulan]

The crux of it is this. For me. Should the threat of economic sanction or force, force females to pee next to me? No.

Should the government force me to pee next to males? No.

Should I be free to install a unisex locker room at my business? Yes.

Should my community be free to chip in and build its own unisex facility at school? Yes. Should they be forced to? No

Should a female be free to identify me as an other and not belonging in their space? Well this has already happened on multiple occasions when both parties are absolutely biologically female and someone doesn't like that they have short hair, a tattoo, pants, whatever.

Should I be forced ever to provide my government documents? I can see this being a requirement for use of a female facility, but, should the government really have a say? And is everyone going to prove they are females or just the ones "they don't like".

Another great tranny example.

The government needs to be dismantled and deregulation needs to happen and freedom of association needs to happen.

Otherwise :

Discrimination happens a lot where I live. People can be turned away from a business or employment for basically any reason. The party refusing to serve doesn't typically list the reason as sex, gender, race, religion or whatever.

My ex was discriminated against for being a Wiccan. Nothing can be done about it in my state anyone can be fired without cause. The general population is not receptive to more regulation or government involvement in these matters.

The best way for this to be handled is at the peer level within the community that hosts the business.

There's no pressing discrimination apocalypse pending. There will be if people get fed up with two particular groups co-opting the federal government to enforce their beliefs and agenda on the populace.

It could backfire spectacularly for either side who has a dog in this fight.

Making the pro-anti football game a federal game is going to be the doom of this country as it will tentacle out into every aspect of your lives, what foods are permissible, what drugs u buy, what shifts your allowed to work, what insurance you can buy, where u can and can't travel, and how all these otherwise private minutia are tracked and monitored centrally. That would otherwise be between me you and God.

Now dumb shit like abortion, vapes, penises, and vaginas are the beginning of the slippery slope.

[Irulan]

He's not morally unfit anymore than anyone else, he just is OPEN and honest about who he is.

Turn off the news and libtard comedy or whatever the fuck you're watching cus you spout brainwashed shit all the time dog.



Cool then they wont act like him.

unless you dont know how to be a grandfather? or a father?

You expect the government to raise your kids?
Most people already do. My dipshit brother is a fine example. The apocalypse is coming.

[mickmoranis]

can u imagine being such a stupid ass and going to a job interview and saying in it "im wiccan" and then think they didnt hire you because you were wiccan.

[Irulan]

can u imagine being such a stupid ass and going to a job interview and saying in it "im wiccan" and then think they didnt hire you because you were wiccan.

They found out after the fact cuz another nurse snooped on her private life. But whatever. I am not saying we need more laws to make that not happen.

Obviously it did anyway despite the law.

What is going on now is farcical and people will pay for it down the line.

[mickmoranis]

[/B]
Most people already do. My dipshit brother is a fine example. The apocalypse is coming.

Im not talking about him, or most people

Yes i agree most people are fucking idiots

Patrim thinks he is not though, and i want to remind him that he is, if he doesnt know how to not raise his kids and grandchildren to imitate someone he thinks is immoral.

PER your other post, how children see the president is NOT a concern nor should it be.

Im sorry you dont like trumps personality patrim, but that doesnt make him a bad or immoral example for your children.

What is a bad example or immoral example for your children is being a father figure and telling them that he is.

[ScaringChildren]

Patriam lets men on the television raise his grandchildren

Seek Christ

[Irulan]

Is not letting your kid watch whatever they want child abuse yet?

[ScaringChildren]

Is not letting your kid watch whatever they want child abuse yet?

Having children is child abuse

[Irulan]

I don't even think that's true. I mean, even Russia puts their best athletes forward in the Olympics. I don't see them putting their morbidly obese up for the diving competition just because they don't have equal fatass representation.

That's the way it should be. We are sliding backwards. I agree.

[Irulan]

Having children is child abuse

Lol. Sad, but a lot of people think so now.

I see your point.

My vote is military academy for all.

[America]

My vote is military academy for all.

[America]

irulan is lowkey the smartest person in the room

[Wonkie]

irulan is lowkey the smartest person in the room

still upset huh? :o

[America]

still upset huh? :o

yeah. you touch me deeply 🤗

[Irulan]

This is interesting

[Jimjam]

I miss a certain poster who spent his forum time literally shouting at a wall.

[Wonkie]

wall not up

[DinoTriz2]

wall not up

...yet

[Mblake81]

wall not up

Nope.

They can probably see everyone that passes the border via eye in the sky anyway.

Raymond is director of the Satellite Sentinel Project (SSP), which aims to use advanced satellite imagery to monitor potential human rights abuses in Sudan. And it was all Clooney's idea, turning him from just another Hollywood liberal with a pet cause to a genuine expert and campaigner on Sudan. Together with John Prendergast, another campaigner, Clooney has sneaked repeatedly into the country to document the random bombing of civilians and other atrocities.

The wall came about when some Mexicans were flexing on the Rogan board.

And the ebola scare

So far, Nigeria and Kenya have set up health stations at land crossings, ports, and airports to check the temperature of travelers whose trips began in the DRC. There are no reports yet of people being turned away if they are feverish, but their itineraries are recorded in case they need to be tracked down afterward. If this outbreak expands, such interruptions to travel could too; seven countries instituted border checks during a small outbreak last year.

Checking people at the border—or even closing borders entirely against travelers from an infected zone—feels intuitively right, an easy solution for keeping disease at bay. (During the 2014-16 epidemic, President Donald Trump—not yet a candidate at that point—called for grounding all flights from West Africa, and said that humanitarian medical personnel who contracted the disease should be left there to die.)

[Mblake81]

it was originally a D&D/Elder Scrolls meme used to fuck with em.

A real wall would be less a deterrent than it is a statement. Mexico paying for it would be having to deal with their own citizens and the amount of untaxed US dollars not crossing the border from under the table work here. It was never like asking them for money directly.

The things are the way they are because they are supposed to be that way. All of this was nothing more than annoyance to the way things are.

[Mblake81]

Pancho Villa!

[Wonkie]

...yet

https://i.imgur.com/RAcDyeM_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/yh2bg3e.jpg?1

[Mblake81]

It was less an issue for me than it was for a portion of my fellow countrymen. I don't live in the border states or god forsaken California.

I was talking to a Canadian guildmate a few weeks ago over TS. He mentioned that they are there now doing similar things as what is happening in the states.

I kept my mouth shut but my internal dialogue was a mixture of legit lol and anger. Turning everything into hate speech was something I distinctly remember seeing online in the mid 2000s. Protesting with anti-hate signs in Canada. Still under crown and sitting on us like a head crab.

Me: "Yeah, it is what it is"