New ToV rules

[Maxtorpor]

I notice no one has started a discussion thread for this... This is a significant change to the server and will most definitely effect every guild involved including pickup raiders like Lord Bobbers.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Let's keep the discussion kosher.

[m00r5tuD]

check rnf

[Dreenk317]

Imo, bad change. We get tov once every 9 weeks now? Lamesauce all around. Even for the more casual guilds. At least as it was, they had a chance at sniping some of the spawns. Now, idk, once every 9 weeks or so just seems really poorly thought out. Especially with the guild that has tov still being able to contest mobs outside tov. Those will just increase the competition for everything else ten fold. Then, when everything outside tov is dead. Who ever has it that week will just stroll in and get there pixels. No worries.

[Maxtorpor]

Seems about right!

[Sonderbeast]

I forsee groups of skilled players similar to Core establishing a small and efficient guild that can clear the entire zone by themselves in order to secure a slot in the wheel. Also I forsee non-competetive guilds coming to assist with the more difficult targets like Vyemm, Kreizenn for a shot at loot.

Also AM will dominate non-ToV content now, thos targets small guilds have muscled their way into cornering. At least you get ToV stuff once a couple months!

[aaezil]

Great change and long time coming. The mads who have perma farmed the top content for 15 years or whatever can finally move over a bit. Rejoice!

[diamondfist]

some of the guilds listed on the current rotation cant clear tov currently.

by the time it gets to their spot im sure there will be a lot of new apps to those guilds from raiders in other guilds that will propel them to victory.

not to mention all the new guilds that will form up with the size of aftermath alone they can split into 3 guilds.

add the fact a guild can wait almost a full week before they kill their first dragon to start their 72 hours ... means what looks to be 5ish tov clears as of right now. it will turn into like 2 a year per guild.


lol, good luck to those people who need specific items, getting them to drop during your guilds time slot will be like hitting the lottery, seriously.

[feniin]

Sounds pretty sad to be an AM member. Gotta ruin it for everyone else when you can't get your ToV pixels.

[Wonkie]

it's good

[enjchanter]

lol, good luck to those people who need specific items, getting them to drop during your guilds time slot will be like hitting the lottery, seriously.

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[Sonderbeast]

lol, good luck to those people who need specific items, getting them to drop during your guilds time slot will be like hitting the lottery, seriously.

RIP Doze items requiring 2 or more tears.

[Wikipedia]

Dozekar actually should probably just be legit FFA, it's like objectively impractical for him in particular. Most of the tears will just rot in people's banks forever until they quit.

[Sonderbeast]

They won't

The point was to avoid guilds fighting on top of each other

[Wikipedia]

Yeah I guess, but Doze competition isn't too too problematic at the moment relative to other stuff, and the pull is so simple/short.

[Zuranthium]

lol, good luck to those people who need specific items, getting them to drop during your guilds time slot will be like hitting the lottery, seriously.

Nobody needs TOV items.

[FatBalloon]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

[aaezil]

The new rules are actually more classic!

This is utter garbage. The only "skill" displayed by the guilds raiding ToV on P99 is racing skills. Who can get-to, FTE, pull fekkin dragons to the zone like a pack of little girls to kill it is what ToV has become. It is the farthest thing from classic it could possibly be.

There are 200 times the number of level 60 characters on P99 than there were on any live server during the Velious era. And I'm only counting the active ones.

You didn't go into ToV racing another guild. You didn't pull dragons to the zone. You didn't use 3k worth of expendables for each pull with 8 monks, 3 SKs, and four DA clerics. Seriously, killing the actual mob is the easiest part of ToV on P99. There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players. No one ever saw "train to WTOV" on live. We crawled in back in the day, but then again we didn't have 200 a******* crawling up our backs either. Oh, we didn't exactly build our own EQ server to practice it all on either. I mean, really?

There were only 125 or maybe 150 total people out of a server population of 7000 who were involved in it at all. Our guild had around 60 total players (all level 60).

My guild was called Black Company, the other was called Enlightened Dark. Strange thing is, we communicated. If they wanted ToV we killed the Dain, or Tormax or went (rarely) back to VP so we didn't get in each other's way. Heck when Luclin came out we split it up right from the start, they got Vex Thal, we got everything else. So yeah, this idea sounds a lot like classic to me.

So don't tell me, one of the few people on P99 that was doing this content on live during this timeframe that cut-throat, backstabbing competition was the norm. It absolutely was not. This is much closer to "classic" than the current situation.

[Shinko]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

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[aaezil]

Imagine a few top guilds rule breaking/rule lawyering so much it leads the staff to do this...

[Gatordash]

Having to put in so much time and effort to get a shot at rare end game loot is what made this server special. You really feel like you earned it if you are actually able to obtain tov loot. Taking that away is a mistake in my opinion.

[zodium]

Say this or that about rotations if you will, but I draw the line at claiming the Sky rotation has been working very well for a long time. :o

[Solist]

You think it takes effort? lol wot mate? 60% of AM log in for batphones only. They're by far the most casual players here.

5 of them like the competition. The rest are ultrabutthurt as now they cant be casual, they have to pay attention for 3 hours to kill everything once every 2 months. Not 20mins at a time 40x a week.

[Tura]

The new rules are actually more classic!

Man I miss Tarrew Marr. #glorydays

[Roboturner]

If we are going to rotate then it might as well be instances. Many of us stay for the competition, not the loot piñatas.

If the intent was to reduce headcount/server cost over the recent increase then this will work. A better option would have been to put out a request for monies as many would have donated.

If the intent was to minimize or reduce the effectiveness of a few guilds that have put in their time, effort, and recruited the best, then this will work.

If the intent was to allow more players to experience the end-game for a cycle before they rotate to a different game, then this will work. Not many are going to wait around for months before their next loot piñata that is a freebie.

If the intent was to punish certain guilds over political infighting, then this will work. Despite that infighting being a result of server rules.

If the intent is to reward the 5 or so folks in each mid-tier guild that give a crap with high-end loot, then this will work. A better option would have been for those folks to apply to the group(s) of like minded individuals that try hard to a try hard guild.

If the intent was to eliminate competition and the desire to compete/play for many, this will work.

I’m not a smart man, but it really feels like we’re shooting ourselves in the foot for a short term gain.

[White_knight]

I for one think this is great. -50% petitions probably off the bat. I am 32 years old, I dont have 80 hrs per week to play EQ anymore. I am sure 95% of this community is in the same boat. We shouldn't be hahamstrung by the 5% that can play 18 hrs a day and tag mobs for their guild.

Now I know once every 2 months I can clear schedule, take a day off work and go hammer and tongs on some dragons!

Sure it will put back pressure on non-tov targets but hey that is where the new competition will be.

[Ezrick]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Raiding on P99 has absolutely nothing in common with live. Anyone who tells you this was the case was a ten-year-old with a level 18 l33t N3k0m@nz3r at the time. It is absolutely not true that guilds crawled all over each other in cut-throat competition to kill a mob.

If you zoned in to clear ToV there was a near 100% chance that your guild was the only one in the zone (maybe another guild was in HoT, no one did WToV). There simply weren't enough high level players at the time and the guilds that could do the content were very exclusive and level 60 only. They actually cooperated with each other. There are 200 times as many level 60 players on P99 as there were on a live server during the Velious era. Heck lower level players used to bitch constantly at Sony because "20 percent of the content is for 1% of the players." And it was true. On P99 70% of the players are trying to do that content.

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

[White_knight]

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Raiding on P99 has absolutely nothing in common with live. Anyone who tells you this was the case was a ten-year-old with a level 18 l33t N3k0m@nz3r at the time. It is absolutely not true that guilds crawled all over each other in cut-throat competition to kill a mob.

If you zoned in to clear ToV there was a near 100% chance that your guild was the only one in the zone (maybe another guild was in HoT, no one did WToV). There simply weren't enough high level players at the time and the guilds that could do the content were very exclusive and level 60 only. They actually cooperated with each other. There are 200 times as many level 60 players on P99 as there were on a live server during the Velious era. Heck lower level players used to bitch constantly at Sony because "20 percent of the content is for 1% of the players." And it was true. On P99 70% of the players are trying to do that content.

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

Can confirm on Xev I think there were 3 competitive raid guilds that did current era content. The rest were doing planes raids in luclin era. Of those 3 guilds 1 was considered uber as having your epic was a pre requirement to joining - so the rumour was. The other two just had lots of 60s.

People didnt know all the tricks known today either, nor had 6 level 60s one preparked outside each raid zone.
I remember my guild doing ToV entrance mobs for a chance at loot as their exploration in to ToV...I was 52 at the time!

Every 2nd toon didnt have their epic so rogue and monk dps was not pure adjusted as it is on the raid scene here.

[commongood]

Yeah, p99 raiding has been min/max'd to the extreme. In a way it's very impressive to witness the military precision of guilds competing with FTEs, secondarys trainups, goalkeeping etc.

But in another way it's completely insane and very much against the spirit of the original game design (just my opinion obviously).

[Prostatus]

Bank of Aftermath gonna be selling green scales for 2.5 million plat soon

take note non epic warriors

[GnomeCaptain]

One of the worst changes I can imagine. I'm approaching 60 and considering guilds, now I'd rather not and feel sort of robbed.

If I wanted to clock-in for raids like a shift-worker I'd play the festering pile of instanced excrement known as WoW.

[Prostatus]

Just think you wait you 60 days till your guilds turn in ToV. Then your wife calls, she got a flat tire picking little Billy up from karate and you have to go help her change a tire.
Meow you get to wait another what.. 2-3 months till you get a chance to try it again?
And god help you if you want Dozekar loot! we are talking a year if not more depending on drops and if you win.

[Prostatus]

Bank of Aftermath gonna be selling green scales for 2.5 million plat soon

take note non epic warriors

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316687

new rules takes its first warrior victim

[commongood]

One of the worst changes I can imagine. I'm approaching 60 and considering guilds, now I'd rather not and feel sort of robbed.

If I wanted to clock-in for raids like a shift-worker I'd play the festering pile of instanced excrement known as WoW.

I understand if what you were mostly looking for was decking your char out in ToV gear because of the way the server's been for a while you could always "just" app for one of the 2-3 guilds that did ToV and eventually have enough dkp to buy the loot you wanted.
This pretty radically changes that.

But I guess cynics will say that it's not a humanrights issue to have access to ToV every week :)

[CodyF86]

The tears are from the few and the vocal. The majority of us are glad to be able to pew pew dragons in tov once every few months. Killing them was never the issue; dealing with the cluster f that tov has become was.

[Tortok]

I don't understand it. AG, AM and us (Core/BG) were on good terms with no massive lawyer questing in sight as in past times. Last week's ToV was about the cleanest for long with no shitshow at all.

Now you better take vacation for your ToV slot every 9 weeks, not very casual friendly imo.

The non-ToV raid targets will turn into ToV like competitions now. This is a loose-for-all situation - not only for top guilds - and will hurt casual guilds too if not even more, for the price of ToV every 9 weeks.

Edit: Not saying it's a god given right only 3 guilds are allowed to do ToV, I was referring to staff's comment that guilds pile up in ToV and train each other...

[Zuranthium]

Guilds should have to Guild Battle (with even # of players and equipment) for weekly rights to PvE content, and if they wipe on the content, then it should immediately become open to anyone else who wants to do it.

[Mblake1981]

My guild was called Black Company, the other was called Enlightened Dark.

Ah, decent EQ guild names.

[Bardp1999]

This is a poor solution to a real problem. Very lame and carebeary, cringing hard @ who ever came up with this.

[Mblake1981]

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

I was in a small family guild on BB server, its true, unless you were in the three top guilds you didn't see anything. It's one of the reasons I wanted to come back to EQ, a second chance to see all I missed. Just recently got to see VP for the first time. WoW helped establish the idea of "if you buy the game and pay a sub fee, you should be able to raid." and this was backed up by the playerbase on messageboards "I bought the game I am entitled to see all of the content".

It didn't feel L33T/Uber in year 2000 terms.

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

I can't really speak on that from experience. I only remember Ring of Valor and Arch Overseers (decent guild names) getting into some drama a few times.

carebeary

Blue server

The only way to keep it L33T and tight like people remember is wiping the servers every 3-6 months. Release all three expansions at the same time and let the super dedicated get their server firsts, when most of us get 60 (because we are lame) then its time to wipe again, this will keep the L33T intact. I will not be playing because EQ requires that much time for a player like myself to get L33T, which defeats the purpose of L33T.

https://i.imgur.com/2aLM8DZ.jpg

[Seegore]

PRAS BRAKNAR!

[Arkanjil]

It’s an interesting, bold move. We’ll see how it pans out. The raid scene was just getting interesting with Tempest all but gone and Core/BG and AG competing in TOV full time. It’s unfortunate we didn’t get to enjoy that competition longer. We actually got along quite well with Tempest out of the picture.

It’ll be interesting to see how many people leave the server due to this, especially when other servers, like Classic WoW, comes out. I’ll keep playing here, like I have since the server started, but hope I don’t have too many pals leave over this change.

I give this iteration of raid rules 6 months before it’s changed again for some other rule set.

[Mblake1981]

Correction: there is no way to keep it L33t and tight. You would have to erase the memory of people who played and delete all of the info gathered. It's what blows my mind how some managed to figure out all of the secrets and get all of the loot within a small time frame.

It can never be the same. Will pantheon be like that? I doubt it considering the influences of todays gamers. That is requesting for a player like me to be a total scrub POS again. Stand 1 inch tall.


It’ll be interesting to see how many people leave the server due to this, especially when other servers, like Classic WoW, comes out. I’ll keep playing here, like I have since the server started, but hope I don’t have too many pals leave over this change.

If classic WoW appeals to a player its probably best to let them go home (be happy) and remove the influence from the classic EQ player base.

[azeth]

Obviously I'm not a raider anymore, but I don't see how this isn't a weight off peoples shoulders. You're now guaranteed pixels without 2:32 am batphones. Beyond that you now get to crawl ToV.

Also, consider do you need a 200 member guild anymore?

[Solist]

What about the Australians, Asians, Euros?

A guild of 59 or 200. Both are going to have a distribution of folks around the world who won’t be able to do scheduled raids for US prime.

Can’t we go back to fucking Canada over instead?

[Mblake1981]

Can’t we go back to fucking Canada over instead?

And over the hills from the north they came, covered in syrup and riding moose of battle.

Lobatt Blue! was their cry of war

[zarza]

The result of a lack of effort is less valuable. Drop the server's raid protection value. We have competed with other guilds, spent 30 to 40 hours a week together, and won and lost. Rotation raid makes some guild efforts worthless. Imagine that everyone could easily get items from state to state without any special effort, so they never waited 12 to 24 hours to win, nor did they prepare the items. And they've never been to a test server for a practice. I saw this and felt communism. Not everyone is equal.
You have to want, try, and practice. If the guild doesn't have the power to compete, it's better to just build up the power and compete together.
It's like putting an Instant Dungeon system on p99. Your p99 proud contents are dying. Try and achieve. P99 is not North Korea.

[Mytral]

You're now guaranteed pixels

[Mblake1981]

The result of a lack of effort is less valuable. Drop the server's raid protection value. We have competed with other guilds, spent 30 to 40 hours a week together, and won and lost. Rotation raid makes some guild efforts worthless. Imagine that everyone could easily get items from state to state without any special effort, so they never waited 12 to 24 hours to win, nor did they prepare the items. And they've never been to a test server for a practice. I saw this and felt communism. Not everyone is equal.
You have to want, try, and practice. If the guild doesn't have the power to compete, it's better to just build up the power and compete together.
It's like putting an Instant Dungeon system on p99. Your p99 proud contents are dying. Try and achieve. P99 is not North Korea.

I agree but I also don't belong in the top guilds.

P99 is a museum with a bricked off exit door. The players here are torn between what can function in this environment and what is "classic". The players are here because of that old EQ pull but nothing will replicate that other than a time machine.

Nothing you say here is wrong within the context of these walls, we have players that don't remember socking and doing these things to win so it conflicts with memories which are part of this servers aim. At best you get a bastard compromise.

Yeah, I am let down that our age group is no longer a market focus and games like EQ, not specifically EQ, will never be made again so we can all move on. It happens.

Cheers! 30 somethings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6uNI0SLMds)

[Nikkanu]

You think it takes effort? lol wot mate? 60% of AM log in for batphones only. They're by far the most casual players here.

5 of them like the competition. The rest are ultrabutthurt as now they cant be casual, they have to pay attention for 3 hours to kill everything once every 2 months. Not 20mins at a time 40x a week.

This was the appeal of AM for casuals like myself that work for a living. I could just log in when I had time to kill a dragon with my elf pals. This was the only thing that gave me and many others a reason to keep logging in. Now you will have to schedule your life around “TOV Day” or rarely ever get to raid. This hurts the smaller casual guilds even more than it hurts the big guilds, they just don’t realize it yet. Terrible change.

[Ravager]

I notice no one has started a discussion thread for this... This is a significant change to the server and will most definitely affect every guild involved including pickup raiders like Lord Bobbers.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Let's keep the discussion kosher.
ftfy

[Nikkanu]

Not to mention without a large chunk of the server (AM, AG, Core+BG, whatever is left of Tempest) spending several days a week in TOV the xp zones and cash camps are going to to all be on lockdown making the overcrowding problems so much worse, which is going to result in that many more petitions and frustrated players.

[Mblake1981]

This was the appeal of AM for casuals like myself that work for a living. I could just log in when I had time to kill a dragon with my elf pals. This was the only thing that gave me and many others a reason to keep logging in. Now you will have to schedule your life around “TOV Day” or rarely ever get to raid. This hurts the smaller casual guilds even more than it hurts the big guilds, they just don’t realize it yet. Terrible change.

I work for a living. I worked for a living during classic era as well and I didn't get to spend all of my time on EQ when it was hot. The casual raiding like that wasn't classic but something hobbled together for P99. Batphones did not exist, at best you had ICQ or AOL IM pings during regular play hours. Just logging in when it suits you doesn't equal the BiS loots, never did. If that was all that kept you logging in then you got your nostalgia fix, join the guys who quit but forumquest. Perhaps a mobile game that is popular where you can spend some of that hard earned money for boosts and unlocks will appeal.

Yep, you will have to schedule a TOV day like a Sky day. Probably not going to be able to DVR your EQ experience in the age of convenience.

"What can EQ do for me?" .. not a goddamn thing.

[Metham]

We can have a ToV rotation, but can't have ZEM rotate dungeons.
K

[Terrel]

I think it's great!

I understand some folks enjoy competing with other guilds to see who can mobilize the quickest.

That's not the competition I enjoy. I enjoy working with my friends to defeat the hardest mobs in the game.

That's not to denigrate the folks who enjoy that FTE competition. Different strokes for different folks.

But the reality is that you have tons of good to great players who aren't able to experience what they enjoy because their real life commitments don't allow them to log into p99 at the drop of a hat. I suspect these people comprise the majority of the raid capable player base. They are as skilled as the folks who are able to consistently get FTE; they just don't have the same availability.

So I'm psyched I'll get a chance to do what I like now, and enjoy a part of the game that I haven't really been able to up to this point.

Thanks Braknar! :)

[aaezil]

Lol all the casual am players are crying cause their 7 day weekly free loot conveyor belt is stopping and the hard core addicts that lock other guilds out of content because dealing with them in tov is such a nightmare are crying as well. Loot pinatas indeed

[Marmo]

An awful idea, with obvious unintended consequences that will hurt those it seeks to help, as all commie ideas do.

[Kindred_Redline]

As someone whose been dreaming of a staff of the silent star, this is devastating. Just instance the zone. This change is horrific, and the consequences will be real and immediate.

[aaezil]

As someone whose been dreaming of a staff of the silent star, this is devastating. Just instance the zone. This change is horrific, and the consequences will be real and immediate.

sorry you don't get to monopolize the server anymore for your 7 day free loot conveyor belt!

[Molitoth]

How a "bag limit" solution isn't implemented instead is beyond me.

Out of all the possible solutions, that one still inspires "Raid competition" while deflating the raid scene monopoly.

Guilds pick their targets, and they compete for them... but can't pick them all.

[Hotel]

I think it's great!

I understand some folks enjoy competing with other guilds to see who can mobilize the quickest.

That's not the competition I enjoy. I enjoy working with my friends to defeat the hardest mobs in the game.

That's not to denigrate the folks who enjoy that FTE competition. Different strokes for different folks.

But the reality is that you have tons of good to great players who aren't able to experience what they enjoy because their real life commitments don't allow them to log into p99 at the drop of a hat. I suspect these people comprise the majority of the raid capable player base. They are as skilled as the folks who are able to consistently get FTE; they just don't have the same availability.

So I'm psyched I'll get a chance to do what I like now, and enjoy a part of the game that I haven't really been able to up to this point.

Thanks Braknar! :)

Dragons aren't hard to kill. Please don't think that we raid because we enjoy the process of killing a mob once it is in camp.

What made this game fun at the high end was competing against other like minded individuals for loot that other people couldn't obtain. You say you are happy to now explore a zone you never have before. Well, consider the fact that this new rule will exclude players whose spent there last couple months doing nothing but practicing and playing in that same zone. These players now are just told to leave and do whatever while people who have never put time into learning the zone get free reign because god said so.

Also, on the notion of skill. Obviously anyone can preform the necessary actions to pull ToV dragons, it really isn't that hard. But why we deserve the loot is because we spend 10+hrs at a time just waiting for things to spawn and being ready for when they do. I don't think I'm special because I can no life a game, but I do think I deserve more loot than someone who spends 3 hours a night in dungeons or leveling an alt.

Was looking forward to raiding with Core, BG, and AG but I guess that will never happen.

[Terrel]

Dragons aren't hard to kill. Please don't think that we raid because we enjoy the process of killing a mob once it is in camp.

What made this game fun at the high end was competing against other like minded individuals for loot that other people couldn't obtain.

Exactly my points! That makes it fun for YOU! More power to you.

Your fun isn't fun for me, or, I suspect, a majority of the raid capable player base. Why? Because we can't log in at 2pm on a weekday.

I'll get my fun a different way than you. That's ok. I dont' expect you to see eye to eye with me, and won't try to convince you otherwise.

But there are plenty of "I don't like this decision" posts in this thread, and others. I DO like it, and I wanted to make that clear to the developers.

Maybe my thoughts will change after a while. Maybe they won't. We'll all see how it turns out.

[Arshis]

Guids rotating raid zones, thats defiently one way to solve a problem. But, why not just make the rule, no pulling trash and raid bosses to zone ent? This would solve the problem of people accidently pulling raid encounters ontop of unexpecting other guilds who might just be trying to do their own thing, while upholding the intergerity of the games most basic values of competition, organization, mobilization and skill. Just trying to help think outside the box here on how this community might be able to come up with a solution that keeps in tact the intregerity of the game while upholding long standing traditions of the server.

[Lune]

Dragons aren't hard to kill. Please don't think that we raid because we enjoy the process of killing a mob once it is in camp.

What made this game fun at the high end was competing against other like minded individuals for loot that other people couldn't obtain. You say you are happy to now explore a zone you never have before. Well, consider the fact that this new rule will exclude players whose spent there last couple months doing nothing but practicing and playing in that same zone. These players now are just told to leave and do whatever while people who have never put time into learning the zone get free reign because god said so.

Also, on the notion of skill. Obviously anyone can preform the necessary actions to pull ToV dragons, it really isn't that hard. But why we deserve the loot is because we spend 10+hrs at a time just waiting for things to spawn and being ready for when they do. I don't think I'm special because I can no life a game, but I do think I deserve more loot than someone who spends 3 hours a night in dungeons or leveling an alt.

Was looking forward to raiding with Core, BG, and AG but I guess that will never happen.

I do not enjoy waiting 10+ hours for things to spawn. I do not enjoy spamming a button at empty space for an hour straight.

Honestly, those behaviors shouldn't be rewarded with the best gear. Even under this new system, it's still going to take a lot of time and dedication to find and win your desired drops seeing as how your particular guild will be doing ToV much more rarely. Don't worry, casual scum will still drool over your pixels.

[Hotel]

Exactly my points! That makes it fun for YOU! More power to you.

Your fun isn't fun for me, or, I suspect, a majority of the raid capable player base. Why? Because we can't log in at 2pm on a weekday.

I'll get my fun a different way than you. That's ok. I dont' expect you to see eye to eye with me, and won't try to convince you otherwise.

But there are plenty of "I don't like this decision" posts in this thread, and others. I DO like it, and I wanted to make that clear to the developers.

Maybe my thoughts will change after a while. Maybe they won't. We'll all see how it turns out.

My point was that my fun is being taken away.

I'll just find some other things to do but understand that someone is actively taking away my fun to give you 'fun.'

[Mblake1981]

Just instance the zone.

*climbs to the top of High Keep, targets Kindred_Redline, clicks drop kick of the damned*

[Rygar]

I think this is a message that dev's do not want p99 to be a lifestyle, I think that is good, let's see how it goes.

I think it's a good experiment, try for 6 months then try no CSR tov. Learn from all 3 approaches thus far and adopt best one, or a hybrid.

Only disappointment is allowing zone line pulling, wish they would say that is mechanics exploit and cost you rotation spot. Please Braknar, heed my call...

[Mblake1981]

I'll just find some other things to do but understand that someone is actively taking away my fun to give you 'fun.'

Sounds like post 2008 computer gaming.

[slard271]

Exactly my points! That makes it fun for YOU! More power to you.

Your fun isn't fun for me, or, I suspect, a majority of the raid capable player base. Why? Because we can't log in at 2pm on a weekday.

I'll get my fun a different way than you. That's ok. I dont' expect you to see eye to eye with me, and won't try to convince you otherwise.

But there are plenty of "I don't like this decision" posts in this thread, and others. I DO like it, and I wanted to make that clear to the developers.

Maybe my thoughts will change after a while. Maybe they won't. We'll all see how it turns out.

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[Terrel]

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[Jameus]

Say this or that about rotations if you will, but I draw the line at claiming the Sky rotation has been working very well for a long time. :o

Part of what makes sky rotation work out okay is the respawn rate of the islands... Inside of just 1 week many guilds can all visit PoSky and have their fun!

[booter]

Very very healthy change for the server in my opinion. Glad to see it finally.

[Molitoth]

Guids rotating raid zones, thats defiently one way to solve a problem. But, why not just make the rule, no pulling trash and raid bosses to zone ent? This would solve the problem of people accidently pulling raid encounters ontop of unexpecting other guilds who might just be trying to do their own thing, while upholding the intergerity of the games most basic values of competition, organization, mobilization and skill. Just trying to help think outside the box here on how this community might be able to come up with a solution that keeps in tact the intregerity of the game while upholding long standing traditions of the server.

I would think they could easily implement rooted ToV dragons or "teathering" which was SOE fix to things.

[Dreenk317]

Ya, braknar did not think this one out at all! So let's say one of these smaller, casual guilds, that's just so excited to finally see ToV gets there slot, they are all set up and ready, kill there first ToV dragon, and........ Earthquake, AM/BG/AG/Core show up and proceed to kill all the rest of the dragons and said casual guild has to wait another 4 months for a shot at ToV......

[YendorLootmonkey]

I would think they could easily implement rooted ToV dragons or "teathering" which was SOE fix to things.

Well, to be fair, their fix for things was also to release new expansions so top guilds moved on to new and better loot.

[aaezil]

And the sad state of this server is that there exists a group of sociopaths that vehemently believe that your level of time commitment precludes you from deserving raid loot, and will go to great lengths (poopsocking, 2am batphones, petitionquest, etc.) to enforce that to the best of their ability.

[fan D]

There is nothing fun about 16 hour variance windows and staring at the wall the whole time. When the dragon spawns and that 20second race begins, i -SUPPOSE- that part is fun

but to stare at a wall for 16 hours for a chance at loot that does not matter is sad. you don't need the items, there is nothing to do with your raid loot on p99 blue. All of the content was cleared on day 1 of release

god bless the rotation, best thing the staff has done

[Prostatus]

Repop days are going to fun. The whole reason for this was too many people in ToV and now on repop days when ToV is FFA.... well shit you just shot 0-3 big holes in your system a month.

[loramin]

Repop days are going to fun. The whole reason for this was too many people in ToV and now on repop days when ToV is FFA.... well shit you just shot 0-3 big holes in your system a month.

Ya, braknar did not think this one out at all! So let's say one of these smaller, casual guilds, that's just so excited to finally see ToV gets there slot, they are all set up and ready, kill there first ToV dragon, and........ Earthquake, AM/BG/AG/Core show up and proceed to kill all the rest of the dragons and said casual guild has to wait another 4 months for a shot at ToV......

Ok, first off, do you really think Braknar just whipped this up on his own? The staff does not make major changes to the raid scene because one GM decides to; I guarantee Rogean was involved, and very likely all the other GMs and possibly Nilbog and some devs too (I'm unclear exactly how much the devs weigh in on server operation stuff, but they must at least a little because they've posted comments about it in the past).

Second, do you really think the staff would make such a major change without even thinking of the last major change they made to the raid system (ie. earthquakes)? Like, their whole goal is to manage the raid scene, but in a few short months they completely forgot their last raid scene fix and just decided to implement a completely new and incompatible one?

I mean, I guess all that's possible, but it seems a lot more likely that Rogean et all are a lot more competent than you guys are giving them credit for. And 10+ successful years of running the most popular emulated EQ server on the planet sort of supports my take.

[aaezil]

Ok, first off, do you really think Braknar just whipped this up on his own? The staff does not make major changes to the raid scene because one GM decides to; I guarantee Rogean was involved, and very likely all the other GMs and possibly Nilbog and some devs too (I'm unclear exactly how much the devs weigh in on server operation stuff, but they must at least a little because they've posted comments about it in the past).

Second, do you really think the staff would make such a major change without even thinking of the last major change they made to the raid system (ie. earthquakes)? Like, their whole goal is to manage the raid scene, but in a few short months they completely forgot their last raid scene fix and just decided to implement a completely new and incompatible one?

I mean, I guess all that's possible, but it seems a lot more likely that Rogean et all are a lot more competent than you guys are giving them credit for. And 10+ successful years of running the most popular emulated EQ server on the planet sort of supports my take.

You are taking them way too seriously man, they are just upset that their 7 day free loot pinata is grinding to a slower pace

[Cen]

In classic, such a large number of high levels weren't present. These zones would wait patiently for some guild to dare attack them, and then the guilds would frequently fail.

Now, everyone even casual is armed with nuclear gear, and obliterating all content without a flinch. You have to do something.

[Twochain]

sorry you don't get to monopolize the server anymore for your 7 day free loot conveyor belt!

IDK who you are, but you sound like a cuck. AAEZIL

Your name is dumb too. I bet you're fat and bald.

[Grizzler]

The amount of time does seem to be a bit much but I'm ok with trying it out. I think trying it for a time and then trying the no csr involvement for 6 months and go with which ever is better, as another above poster posted, sounds like the best route.

Although to be fair, im not huge into raiding and only raid to help my guildies who helped me get all the gear my chars have.

[aaezil]

IDK who you are, but you sound like a cuck. AAEZIL

Your name is dumb too. I bet you're fat and bald.

I'm glad I triggered you :D Now go take your rnfs to rnf!

[Prostatus]

The staff does not make major changes to the raid scene because one GM decides to

Is you memory that short?

I can still smell Sirken's motherboard frying

here is a link to one GM making major decisions to the raid scene

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234528

And just like the Class system. Once the Gods of the sandbox see how fucked up the situation is they step in and try to play damage control. We all know this will not last but what we are all afraid of is the chaos it creates while its still in place.

[zarza]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

[loramin]

Is you memory that short?

I can still smell Sirken's motherboard frying

here is a link to one GM making major decisions to the raid scene

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234528

And just like the Class system. Once the Gods of the sandbox see how fucked up the situation is they step in and try to play damage control. We all know this will not last but what we are all afraid of is the chaos it creates while its still in place.

Huh? So they tried one thing (classes, and yes I do remember C and R and all that), then they tried another (earthquakes) and now they're trying another (rotations). Like any sane human they try to solve a problem one way, then when that solution doesn't work (or rather, it worked but had flaws) they try another solution hoping it won't be as flawed.

But what does any of that have to do with them forgetting what they just did and making the new change without even considering the previous one? You know, the thing I was actually arguing against?

[loramin]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Really?

[zodium]

Huh? So they tried one thing (classes, and yes I do remember C and R and all that), then they tried another (earthquakes) and now they're trying another (rotations). Like any sane human they try to solve a problem one way, then when that solution doesn't work (or rather, it worked but had flaws) they try another solution hoping it won't be as flawed.

But what does any of that have to do with them forgetting what they just did and making the new change without even considering the previous one? You know, the thing I was actually arguing against?

Imagine if the problem wasn't with the particular nature of the rulesets, but the lack of attempts to secure buy-in for any ruleset from the participants. :o

[Cen]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

Wouldnt the correct analogy equivocation be some athletes being allowed into the Olympics to begin with versus other athletes being barred, even if they may be stronger athletes?

If the actual FTE is what you consider the competition and not the content itself, then thats kind of terrible. Thats just a batphone

[aaezil]

People who stare at walls for multiple 16 hour windows and batphone for dragon kills at 3 am are not athletes, they are unemployed and should probably stop playing immediately.

[Hotel]

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Really?

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

[loramin]

Imagine if the problem wasn't with the particular nature of the rulesets, but the lack of attempts to secure buy-in for any ruleset from the participants. :o

I suppose that's possible. But ... are you actually suggesting that Class C/R/whatever failed because people weren't following the rotation? That's not my memory of how things went down.

Or that earthquakes "failed" (they wildly succeed, but were didn't solve the specific case of ToV for the staff) because people didn't buy into them?

I dunnno, I don't really see the argument there.

[zarza]

You don't have to give people a chance without effort. Opportunities and rewards must be available only for all guilds in competition.

[Mblake1981]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded.

Correct. Weakness should never be rewarded. Which is why you must bust up 200+ member guilds that zerg a target. It has already been made clear by other top players that many are just warm bodies helping make the kill happen. They don't really deserve the loot you guys are setting up/pulling/leading for. I know I don't. I was asked to play bots that don't belong to me because my main was useless, especially when you consider people have alt alt bards with better gear than I will ever have collecting digital dust from not being used.

I am a worthless shitbagger, do not reward me. It was clear to me, I quit. I commited pixel seppuku because it was the only honorable way out.

[Triiz]

then trying the no csr involvement for 6 months and go with which ever is better, as another above poster posted, sounds like the best route.


This server already tried no CSR in the top raid zone at that point. Someone linked a video of one guy wiping out an entire raid force yesterday. At the end of the video even the guy doing the training says how dumb it is.
https://youtu.be/yQ0-UPeeNJs

[Baylan295]

Correct. Weakness should never be rewarded. Which is why you must bust up 200+ member guilds that zerg a target. It has already been made clear by other top players that many are just warm bodies helping make the kill happen. They don't really deserve the loot you guys are setting up/pulling/leading for. I know I don't. I was asked to play bots that don't belong to me because my main was useless, especially when you consider people have alt alt bards with better gear than I will ever have collecting digital dust from not being used.

I am a worthless shitbagger, do not reward me. It was clear to me, I quit. I commited pixel seppuku because it was the only honorable way out.

Happy you’re having fun with us, bud!

[Zabbix]

Would be nice if we could get that next update in. Safe hallways,push to interrupt being nerfed, and charmable hatchlings will require everyone going back to the drawing board strategy wise. Which would be a nightmare but now everyone has their slot to practice and test things.

[Mblake1981]

Happy you’re having fun with us, bud!

I am

[loramin]

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

Wow. Ok, first off I do ToV literally every week ... although I don't want to misrepresent anything: our weekly raids are on HoT, not the cool named dragons. But we absolutely do compete sometimes, and I could say some very negative things about another guild in this thread that pulled complete bullshit (ie. very clearly and deliberately training us) with their "competition" ... but I'll take the high road. I think anyone with experience there knows how certain guilds act, so for anyone that this is relevant to I probably don't even need to say the name.

However our alliance (AEGIS) does/did compete for cooler stuff, and in fact we're now a part of the rotation. So yeah, I think I have a leg to stand on when I say this stuff. And honestly, I've been a forum addict for many years before I even joined a guild (I remember TMO drama), so even if I'd never joined Anonymous and raided ToV a million times, I still wouldn't be talking entirely out of my ass.

Second, I don't understand what the connection is between "the wiki" and "how people weigh things against others". Like really, I'm trying hard to understand what you're saying, but I just see absolutely zero connection between those two things. There is nothing in the wiki about weighing people against each other, unless you count the Magelo system or the Auction Tracker or something.

And finally:

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...?

I think you just lost any leg you had to stand on right there.

[Mblake1981]

It feels good to beat them to targets, not gonna lie. But I don't revel in it. It does help define my P99 experience.

[Kust]

you guys better kill ToV Dragons fast and not waste everyone else time.

[Viscere]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

abomination is the word.

Only trolls like this update

[kotton05]

I’m a troll and I love it only because aftermath is a super zerg. Legit hits me in the feels like the time when AM tried to leap frog Rustle at velks then wiped infront of us Lololol. I Love seeing them squirm.

[turbosilk]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

[turbosilk]

you guys better kill ToV Dragons fast and not waste everyone else time.

Because they are all so ridiculously hard to kill with 60 people at the zone inn?

[Hotel]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

Sorry your gear sucks bro

[zodium]

I suppose that's possible. But ... are you actually suggesting that Class C/R/whatever failed because people weren't following the rotation? That's not my memory of how things went down.

Or that earthquakes "failed" (they wildly succeed, but were didn't solve the specific case of ToV for the staff) because people didn't buy into them?

I dunnno, I don't really see the argument there.

I'm suggesting they never had a chance, because people who aren't on board with rules they have to live under tend to spend their time devising ways to circumvent them rather than how to uphold them. In this respect, the new ruleset is only cosmetically different. Until the design of our rules starts from governing the large and diffuse amount of people who love to play EverQuest with their consent, people will continue to spend their time to behave according to their motivations: devising ways to play EverQuest.

You don't have to be a behavioral scientist to work out that trying to enforce a system of rules on an unwilling population with very limited resources is going to lead to a mountain of unforeseen consequences. The moment you get a critical mass of people to actually buy in to your ruleset, upholding them becomes orders of magnitudes easier. But obtaining that kind of buy-in requires a different approach to handing down stone tablets with rules from on high and complaining everyone's a smelly nerd when they don't behave as you expected. Until we implement a process for adjusting and enforcing the rules over time in a way that accommodates real players' different motivations, rather than silly caricatures, this will not meaningfully change. Full stop.

:o

[Twochain]

I'm glad I triggered you :D Now go take your rnfs to rnf!

I know, I know, but everything you've said so far is something along the lines of GET FUCKED POOP SOCKERS. That's not really a positive contribution to the discussion. I'm interested in hearing from people because at the end of the day, we're all one community. I didn't think people wanted a ToV Guild rotation..

P.S, I completely understand why this was done. The timing is a little strange, but I wouldn't want to deal with a bunch of raging nerds about pixel dragons either. However I think we should have a chance to police ourselves. I know in the message it was said that the rules "Encourages rulebreaking" but unless all of our officers conspired to cheat the system in a secret officer only team speak, I FELT like we went above and beyond to be within the rules. /Shrug.

I'll always love p99, but this kills the raid scene, which I loved.

[zarza]

I love all the guilds that competed with us. Of course you are not.

I've never seen your competition.

They don't even try.

I don't understand why you say you've been in competition.

you just got free tov ticket while "HoT raid"

this new rule is the easiest way for you to do it without effort at p99.
I recommend asking you to make an instant dungeon.




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[FatBalloon]

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Original EQ is a singular persistent world. This is an instance, NOT true to the original game. Stop the instancing, it dilutes the product and the rewards that come with it.

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

People who stare at walls for multiple 16 hour windows and batphone for dragon kills at 3 am are not athletes, they are unemployed and should probably stop playing immediately.

Everyone should have a fair and equal shot at every target that spawns at every time. Can't get up at 3am for a Doze pop? Neither can I, so I don't do it. But I'm not going to hate on the guy who does. I'm not going troll people with insults such as "you have no life" and "you're an unemployed loser". Personally, I have 4 kids, a wife, a career, and a VERY busy life and quite honestly it sounds pretty fun to kill some Lord Koi at 2am sometimes. If that's what's important to me, maybe I'll schedule some time in life to do that. If that's what someone wants to do with their time? Why would I complain or hate on that? I've chosen my life, they've chosen theirs. Good for them for wanting to spend their time killing dragons and building up their characters in a deep, exciting and adventurous online world. Sometimes that sure sounds better than wiping diapers, cleaning up grape juice stains and dealing with bickering over who's toys are who's every night.

Quite honestly, we're all playing a 20 year old free-to-play emulated MMORPG. We're all losers to some extent :)

[loramin]

Everyone should have a fair and equal shot

If people could agree on a definition of just the word "fair", alone, 90% of the arguments currently going on wouldn't exist. Everyone wants a "fair" system, but most Aftermath members (not picking on them, just making an example) have a significantly different definition of "fair" from (again, just making an example) most members of my guild, Anonymous.

I'm not saying either one has a monopoly on being "right" about their definition of fair ... I'm just saying that (nearly) everyone here also wants a fair and equal shot ... they just can't agree on the definition of the word.

Quite honestly, we're all playing a 20 year old free-to-play emulated
MMORPG. We're all losers to some extent :)

Now you're speaking some truth :D

[Prostatus]

Ok, first off, do you really think Braknar just whipped this up on his own? The staff does not make major changes to the raid scene because one GM decides to; I guarantee Rogean was involved, and very likely all the other GMs and possibly Nilbog and some devs too (I'm unclear exactly how much the devs weigh in on server operation stuff, but they must at least a little because they've posted comments about it in the past).

Second, do you really think the staff would make such a major change without even thinking of the last major change they made to the raid system (ie. earthquakes)? Like, their whole goal is to manage the raid scene, but in a few short months they completely forgot their last raid scene fix and just decided to implement a completely new and incompatible one?

I mean, I guess all that's possible, but it seems a lot more likely that Rogean et all are a lot more competent than you guys are giving them credit for. And 10+ successful years of running the most popular emulated EQ server on the planet sort of supports my take.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316732

[zarza]

thank you p99

[Heebs13]

Braknar went on a bender, woke up this morning with 10 missed messages from Roegan, said 'oh man, what did I do last night?'

[Zipity]

Best Troll Ever!!! Braknar for the win!

[Dalven]

lol, this seems entertaining - what were the short lived rules that started the sperg out?

[White_knight]

Guys, guys...He said released "prematurely".

You can get your adult pooper nappies, hotpockets, and roll the sweaty arsecheek imprinted walmart office chairs back out for awhile till they flesh this out a little better.

[Yoink1986]

Welp guess I gotta buy more popcorn for when he really sets it in stone.

[Erati]

Ok, first off, do you really think Braknar just whipped this up on his own? The staff does not make major changes to the raid scene because one GM decides to; I guarantee Rogean was involved, and very likely all the other GMs and possibly Nilbog and some devs too (I'm unclear exactly how much the devs weigh in on server operation stuff, but they must at least a little because they've posted comments about it in the past).

Second, do you really think the staff would make such a major change without even thinking of the last major change they made to the raid system (ie. earthquakes)? Like, their whole goal is to manage the raid scene, but in a few short months they completely forgot their last raid scene fix and just decided to implement a completely new and incompatible one?

I mean, I guess all that's possible, but it seems a lot more likely that Rogean et all are a lot more competent than you guys are giving them credit for. And 10+ successful years of running the most popular emulated EQ server on the planet sort of supports my take.

This aged poorly.

[Shodo]

Guys, guys...He said released "prematurely".

Giggity.

[Hotel]

This aged poorly.

Loramin rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

[Marmo]

Great change and long time coming. The mads who have perma farmed the top content for 15 years or whatever can finally move over a bit. Rejoice!

:rolleyes:

[turbosilk]

Sorry your gear sucks bro

Sorry you didn't progression raid and have gear 20 years ago. Oh you think only gear makes the player. Step back, take a breath and really think about why you are playing a 20 year old sim in 24/7 bat phone zerg mode.

[mattydef]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAA! That's why this server will always be terrible when it comes to raiding. There are dozens of these sick fucks that actually compare killing dragons on this video game to the olympics. Let that sink in.

[zarza]

there is no chance for person who lazy

Please don't steal all the guild efforts that compete with us.

we all know your guild doesn't do anything.

Don't try to be equal.

[Nikkanu]

there is no chance for person who lazy

Please don't steal all the guild efforts that compete with us.

we all know your guild doesn't do anything.

Don't try to be equal.

https://i.imgur.com/izcOK4m.gif

[Magerin]

Wanna know the difference P99 and live? Live ran from 1999 to 2002 (luclin came out), 3 years for Classic, Kunark and Velious. We spent 4 or 5 years in Kunark and gonna spend the next countless years in velious...if we paid monthly fee's, this server would eventually fade out. The reason stuff opened up was because of new expansions allowing for the hardcore guilds to move on to better things within 1 year.

[Perseus]

I vote we all hardcore raid and every month the bottom pixel earning guild is relegated to red server UNTIL THERE IS ONLY ONE

[Swish2]

There's always the red server if you don't like it. Come and enjoy the alternative <3

[enjchanter]

There's always the red server if you don't like it. Come and enjoy the alternative <3

Warrior went from 44-48 in the last two (2) days !

[Swish2]

Warrior went from 44-48 in the last two (2) days !

https://i.imgur.com/B21UZRK.png

[Sonderbeast]

Rotation is best pls help Rog dog with equalization of lewtz send AM to :gulag:

ALS needs Vulak loot too, please sir have a heart

[Jayzeus]

<I Rotated with Shinko>

[Alanus]

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Raiding on P99 has absolutely nothing in common with live. Anyone who tells you this was the case was a ten-year-old with a level 18 l33t N3k0m@nz3r at the time. It is absolutely not true that guilds crawled all over each other in cut-throat competition to kill a mob.

If you zoned in to clear ToV there was a near 100% chance that your guild was the only one in the zone (maybe another guild was in HoT, no one did WToV). There simply weren't enough high level players at the time and the guilds that could do the content were very exclusive and level 60 only. They actually cooperated with each other. There are 200 times as many level 60 players on P99 as there were on a live server during the Velious era. Heck lower level players used to bitch constantly at Sony because "20 percent of the content is for 1% of the players." And it was true. On P99 70% of the players are trying to do that content.

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

E'ci was somewhat cutthroat. If a mob was due and two or more guilds were tracking it, there was usually a race and shenanigans that followed. There was 3 western raiding forces and 2 Asian raiding forces during Velious.

If a raid force was already forming and pulling/buffing, it was usually respected. Patch day was totally fine, too, since there was plenty to do.