Green sever

[DiogenesThaDogg]

Whether it happens or not, I would really enjoy a green server. I think like many others playing here, I never got to experience classic EQ, and green server would be a great way to make that happen. I think part of experiencing velious is experiencing the progression to velious - the impact on server economy of new items, doing raids woefully undergeared, etc. Velious was at the endgame it's at now for only a few months maximum, yet blue server has been at that point for years.

[loramin]

Just be patient. "Green" (although that's a community name, not a staff name) is the end goal of the entire project (1999). However, Velious took our beloved volunteer devs seven years (just for the released version, which they then worked on further post-release).

Given that we have Chardok 2.0, some smaller patches, and (the elephant in the room) whatever list the devs have of "stuff we've put off fixing until now, but we really need to get done before we release Green", another seven years, or some amount of time in that general ballpark, is not unrealistic.

In the meantime you can still enjoy Blue while joining Aud Laud Syne (NOTE: I'm not affiliated with them) to get a whole lot of the "Green" benefits (ie. a more classic economy).

[Solist]

The have nots will ALWAYS be have nots.

The haves will always be haves.

The fact you're a have not is not a reflection of when you started on the server. Sorry you don't have a manastone.

[Quizlop]

Green will be out soon.

Just be patient for another 10 or 12 years.

[Elysium]

The have nots will ALWAYS be have nots.

The haves will always be haves.

The fact you're a have not is not a reflection of when you started on the server. Sorry you don't have a manastone.

You're missing the point by a mile.

If you think the experience a casual player would have today on P99 is remotely the same experience they would have 8+ years ago, you're insanely wrong.

[rekreant]

You're missing the point by a mile.

If you think the experience a casual player would have today on P99 is remotely the same experience they would have 8+ years ago, you're insanely wrong.

Not to mention all the RMT, guilds controlling markets, plat duping, account selling, and income inequality(rich will stay rich). That is why most of us want a green server, not one that was destroyed by TMO.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Daybreak releases a TLP every year just about. They just introduced a new "hardcore" server coming out this year. With more info in march. People gotta stop with these threads, itll happen when it happens. Till then pay daybreak 15/mo to play from classic era through velious.

[rekreant]

Daybreak releases a TLP every year just about. They just introduced a new "hardcore" server coming out this year. With more info in march. People gotta stop with these threads, itll happen when it happens. Till then pay daybreak 15/mo to play from classic era through velious.

Ive done two TLPs now, up until GoD/OoW expansions. The experience on daybreak TLP is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE P99. Its not even close. Its almost like telling people to play EQ2 until it comes out, thats how different it is.

[indiscriminate_hater]

You're missing the point by a mile.

If you think the experience a casual player would have today on P99 is remotely the same experience they would have 8+ years ago, you're insanely wrong.

no one will ever have that same experience, so that's not really the point either

[Swish2]

Till then pay daybreak 15/mo to play from classic era through velious.

lol nah

[Sonderbeast]

rip daybreak

[Swish2]

rip daybreak

Every year since they took over from SOE has been worse and worse for them. Is this the year they go under and have to sell?

What'll happen to the EQ IP?

[Sonderbeast]

Will they recover after laying off a third of the company?

[rekreant]

Every year since they took over from SOE has been worse and worse for them. Is this the year they go under and have to sell?

What'll happen to the EQ IP?

Really who cares at this point? The IP has been beaten to death.

[hagglebaby]

I paid to play on a TLP. I ran around Freeport for 4 minutes and the graphics were such a turnoff, I cancelled my account, uninstalled and then told my friend I didn’t want to be his friend anymore because he suggested TLP to me.

[rekreant]

It was fun to relive PoP. Once.

[commongood]

Whether it happens or not, I would really enjoy a green server. I think like many others playing here, I never got to experience classic EQ, and green server would be a great way to make that happen. I think part of experiencing velious is experiencing the progression to velious - the impact on server economy of new items, doing raids woefully undergeared, etc. Velious was at the endgame it's at now for only a few months maximum, yet blue server has been at that point for years.

Won't the green server suffer the same fate? Only difference is anyone who happen to not have been around for the start of blue server but is around at the beginning of green gets to get in on the ground floor. Experience a true fresh server start + get to try and obtain many trinkets that will eventually get removed like Manastone, Dark Elf Mask and in Kunark Fungus Staff etc etc?

I mean sure it will be fun to try that but I'm struggling to understand what, long term, the difference will be.

[Mblake1981]

What'll happen to the EQ IP?

sell it for pennies to Rogean/Nilbog and pray to the Gods that they can avoid the clusterfuck it became.

Chop it off at Velious, start from there.

[Kesselring]

You're missing the point by a mile.

If you think the experience a casual player would have today on P99 is remotely the same experience they would have 8+ years ago, you're insanely wrong.

Its a lot more lax nowadays. People want green but do they realize just how cutthroat everyone gets? Probably not, because they didnt experience any expansion release on p99.

[Keza]

Won't the green server suffer the same fate? Only difference is anyone who happen to not have been around for the start of blue server but is around at the beginning of green gets to get in on the ground floor. Experience a true fresh server start + get to try and obtain many trinkets that will eventually get removed like Manastone, Dark Elf Mask and in Kunark Fungus Staff etc etc?

I mean sure it will be fun to try that but I'm struggling to understand what, long term, the difference will be.

The point is experiencing the game new. No twinks, no PLing. Sure, everyone still knows everything. We know the zones, the nameds, the drops. It'll never be 'classic' as per, but with your outloook on it we may as well slit our throats because we'll eventually die of old age, the sun exploding, the stars receding, whatever.

Green will eventually become almost as saturated as blue is with twinks etc, but it will be fresh, which is a different experience. THE experience that most people want out of EQ. It's not about being the fattest, sweatiest most pathetic neckbeard ever to live, as you suggested. It's to experience a classic server without twinks, PL's, and enchanters/shamans/melees with fungis soloing every camp.

[loramin]

Green will eventually become almost as saturated as blue is with twinks etc,

It really won't. Green will span Vanilla + Kunark + Velious, or about three years. Velious alone took seven years to code, which means Blue spent more than twice as much time just in Kunark as Green will spend in it's entire existence.

Green will have MANY issues, like insane players who want Mana Orbs and Guises and such and will do anything to get them. But it will never have as much ... anything (level 60 Rogues, Fungi Tunics, Mage Epics, whatever), or even half as much, as Blue has now.

[TripleLegit]

It really won't. Green will span Vanilla + Kunark + Velious, or about three years. Velious alone took seven years to code, which means Blue spent more than twice as much time just in Kunark as Green will spend in it's entire existence.

Green will have MANY issues, like insane players who want Mana Orbs and Guises and such and will do anything to get them. But it will never have as much ... anything (level 60 Rogues, Fungi Tunics, Mage Epics, whatever), or even half as much, as Blue has now.

Why no 60 rogues?

[Tecmos Deception]

You're missing the point by a mile.

If you think the experience a casual player would have today on P99 is remotely the same experience they would have 8+ years ago, you're insanely wrong.

It'll be as dissimilar on green as it currently is on blue, just for different reasons.

[snyder43]

Does anyone else think that if Green ever does come out, that they shouldn't put items in the game that were later removed because they were deemed too powerful (i.e. Manastone, Elder Beads, CoS, etc.)?

[Zipity]

My bard on green will be lvl 50 in 2-3 days tops, then I will start selling Pls whatcha think about that?

[Vdub]

My bard on green will be lvl 50 in 2-3 days tops, then I will start selling Pls whatcha think about that?

Everyone will be broke. Unless you plan to sell PL for 5 plat.

[rekreant]

a 3 year cycle basically fixes all the complaints anyone could have. Items too powerful? Gone in a few years. One guild dominates? Cycle resets.

[posun]

it will be fresh, which is a different experience. THE experience that most people want out of EQ
Nah, it's envy and lack of insight due to self-justification and fantasy addiction, as stated already from the beginning of the thread.

Everyone who plays fantasy roleplaying games thinks they know the difference between fantasy and reality, and every single one of them is wrong.

[Champion_Standing]

Play Skyrim, you can start a new game anytime you'd like.

[rekreant]

Why dont you go on the skyrim forums then, then you can be a douche any time you like. MANY MMO players like the rush of a fresh start and a fresh race.

[Champion_Standing]

Check out daybreaks progression servers then. That's the only time you'll see it in EQ anytime soon. Maybe when live shuts down daybreak will let a new server open over here.

[feanan]

back when p99 started, there were a lot of bugs, pp dups, items dups, etc.
how much pp is in the economy due to these things? we'll never know

also, chardok aoe was churning out the 60's, and buying and selling of accounts was rampant.

fresh start would be great, just with fixed bugs and no selling accounts

[Bardp1999]

If you think Blue is bad wait until you see the level of psychosis that will rule every single cash camp on a Green server. Spoiler, you ain't getting any of the rare shit you are thinking you are.

[Swish2]

People will be quitting their jobs (the ones that have them) to get on that manastone/guise hype.

Personally I plan to hold the camp for 12-18 hours a day, pass it off to a pal... and together we'll corpse dozens or have one sell while one camps. Can't wait <3

[Kika Maslyaka]

Does anyone else think that if Green ever does come out, that they shouldn't put items in the game that were later removed because they were deemed too powerful (i.e. Manastone, Elder Beads, CoS, etc.)?

I do.

[azeth]

Two words that separate blue's release and green's release...


KIOLA
NUT

[DiogenesThaDogg]

If you think Blue is bad wait until you see the level of psychosis that will rule every single cash camp on a Green server. Spoiler, you ain't getting any of the rare shit you are thinking you are.

I must have misstated myself in the OP. I don't want a manastone or mask of tinkering or what have you; I want a fresh start.

[m00r5tuD]

Green is going to be a nightmare. 6000+ people flooding the server fighting over guises and manastones.

[DiogenesThaDogg]

Green is going to be a nightmare. 6000+ people flooding the server fighting over guises and manastones.

I have a hard time seeing how the madness will spill out of Guk. Sure there will be tourists, every fresh server has tourists, but that will die down pretty quickly as people lose interest. I doubt that many thousands will seriously invest the time it takes for your character to even get those camps in that time frame.

[Champion_Standing]

Green is going to be a nightmare. 6000+ people flooding the server fighting over guises and manastones.

Even if you just took the 75% of blues pop that would likely move over for at least a few months, the server would way over populated for the classic content and a total a shit show. I kinda want it to happen just to see the outbursts from naive newbies when their hopes and dreams are utterly crushed by the no lifers.

Right now it's incredibly easy for a new player to break into P99. Gear is cheap, mobs are still loot pinatas, leveling is fast, and there are plenty of places to go and kill stuff. And people are still bitching about places being too crowded and gear being too expensive. Can you imagine how fun RnF will be when literally every decent camp in the game is perma locked down by the top nolifers and people log on for weeks at a time without being able to progress all while watching item prices skyrocket beyond anything they could hope to attain while being a functional human being? How many rusty weapons do you need to sell to save up 25k for an FBSS?

[DromalPhrenia]

In addition to the patches not yet released before Velious is "finished", I wouldn't be surprised if they hold off on the release of green because of a lack of staff.

Green is going to generate an unholy number of petitions and I cannot imagine the current staff could handle being inundated with that much drama. From the legitimate petitions to the nonsense "King Baby didn't get what King Baby wants!!" petitions, that'll be a round the clock job. Throw in the people trying to cash in early on selling accounts and items and hoo boy its gonna be a pain in the ass.

[rekreant]

If you think Blue is bad wait until you see the level of psychosis that will rule every single cash camp on a Green server. Spoiler, you ain't getting any of the rare shit you are thinking you are.

Wasnt like that on any of the TLP servers, and they easily had more than 6k players. You are just stuck in the cesspool negativity mindset of blue.

[Grail3r]

Wasnt like that on any of the TLP servers, and they easily had more than 6k players. You are just stuck in the cesspool negativity mindset of blue.

Sadly Kill stealing was the name of the game back in the day .

Training and feigning to remove camps .

Tbh it was easier to buy the item with plat than to actually get the item via farming it.

Personally I would've made all the items in the game NO TRADE to stop the greedy farmers from ruining the game .

[rekreant]

Sadly Kill stealing was the name of the game back in the day .

Training and feigning to remove camps .

Tbh it was easier to buy the item with plat than to actually get the item via farming it.

Personally I would've made all the items in the game NO TRADE to stop the greedy farmers from ruining the game .

So what youre saying is youd rather play world of warcraft. They have that. They have that RIGHT NOW.

[Jimjam]

Even if you just took the 75% of blues pop that would likely move over for at least a few months, the server would way over populated for the classic content and a total a shit show. I kinda want it to happen just to see the outbursts from naive newbies when their hopes and dreams are utterly crushed by the no lifers.

Right now it's incredibly easy for a new player to break into P99. Gear is cheap, mobs are still loot pinatas, leveling is fast, and there are plenty of places to go and kill stuff. And people are still bitching about places being too crowded and gear being too expensive. Can you imagine how fun RnF will be when literally every decent camp in the game is perma locked down by the top nolifers and people log on for weeks at a time without being able to progress all while watching item prices skyrocket beyond anything they could hope to attain while being a functional human being? How many rusty weapons do you need to sell to save up 25k for an FBSS?

Makes me laugh when a newbie complains about how hard it is to get established on blue, when they are wielding a 1:2 weapon they bought in EC for a couple of stacks of bone chips :D!

Can't wait for everyone to be running around with leather whips, mino axes and so on*.


*by so on I mean exclusively mage pets.

Sadly Kill stealing was the name of the game back in the day .

Training and feigning to remove camps .

Tbh it was easier to buy the item with plat than to actually get the item via farming it.

Personally I would've made all the items in the game NO TRADE to stop the greedy farmers from ruining the game .

I've mused this idea too. I'd probably made tradeskill stuff (components and resulting combines) and mundane armour / weapons (like raw hide, bronze, rusty, fine steel) tradable.

Magic items should generally just be for those who earnt them. More a status symbol than anything.

[Swish2]

Makes me laugh when a newbie complains about how hard it is to get established on blue, when they are wielding a 1:2 weapon they bought in EC for a couple of stacks of bone chips :D!

What weapon is this? I need to twink alts.

[Jimjam]

Fist of zek, lost staff of the scorned, wu's quivering staff, silver swiftblade, sword of skyfire, green jade broadsword...

Lots of things people will sell for a couple dozen plat.

[DiogenesThaDogg]

Right now it's incredibly easy for a new player to break into P99. Gear is cheap, mobs are still loot pinatas, leveling is fast, and there are plenty of places to go and kill stuff. And people are still bitching about places being too crowded and gear being too expensive. Can you imagine how fun RnF will be when literally every decent camp in the game is perma locked down by the top nolifers and people log on for weeks at a time without being able to progress all while watching item prices skyrocket beyond anything they could hope to attain while being a functional human being? How many rusty weapons do you need to sell to save up 25k for an FBSS?

I think you're blowing it out of proportion, but yes this is exactly why I look forward to green server. I want something like a classic progression, and I would argue it is impossible on this server.

While leveling my first toon to 60, I had a couple k in gear dropped on me by strangers. It was very welcome but at the same time made the game easier. You might ask "why didn't you just refuse it?", but that would have been pointless. If I really want classic progression, I'd have to only group with people who don't engage in twinking. But with so much good gear cheaply available as Jimjam pointed out, there's no way to avoid grouping with people with "out-of-progression" gear, and thus no way to have a classic progression experience. The longer a server drags on in the limbo of velious endgame, the further from classic progression players can ever achieve. Really the only way to achieve a classic progression is to start everyone from 0. I honestly don't care if 100 people make a third of LGuk unplayable because they want manastones, guises and FBSSs, I'll just avoid them and enjoy the remaining 99% of the game.

[Kanuvan]

problem has never been your items, the problem is the new player population is extremely scarce and a 100pp budget is not enough to solo on most classes.

to play this emulator these days you need a 3000p budget atleast so you can solo when no one plays their alts, sorry not everyone wants to be a solo class

[Champion_Standing]

problem has never been your items, the problem is the new player population is extremely scarce and a 100pp budget is not enough to solo on most classes.

to play this emulator these days you need a 3000p budget atleast so you can solo when no one plays their alts, sorry not everyone wants to be a solo class

lol are you even playing on P99? 30 people in Field of bone right now under lvl 10, saw over 60 in gfay last week. Unrest, Kurns, Mistmoore, CoM, KC, always packed except really late at night or early in the morning.

[loramin]

You might ask "why didn't you just refuse it?", but that would have been pointless. If I really want classic progression, I'd have to only group with people who don't engage in twinking. But with so much good gear cheaply available as Jimjam pointed out, there's no way to avoid grouping with people with "out-of-progression" gear, and thus no way to have a classic progression experience.

Actually, there is. There's an entire guild devoted to it in fact, and they have their own groups, their own economy, etc: Auld Lang Syne.

In fact, I really think you could divide the majority of people in this thread (or people who want Green in general) into:


People who want a classic economy ... and could already get it and be perfectly happy by joining Auld Lang Syne
People who say they want a classic economy, but don't fully understand all that entails, and if they actually got it they would go back to Blue
People who want "power items" like Guises and Mana Orbs ... but don't realize they probably have a better chance of farming the plat on Blue to buy one than they will have of ever getting one themselves on Green
People who want "power items" and have the commitment (or lack of a life, take your pick) to get them ... but vastly overestimate how much joy getting one of those items will bring them


In other words, I really think that only the minority of people who think Green will make them happier are correct. The rest don't realize it yet, but they'd be happier joining ASL or farming plat for a couple years on Blue. The only reason they don't realize it yet is that Green is only a fantasy; when the hard reality of it hits, a lot of folks are going to be disappointed that that reality doesn't match their dreams.

P.S. Let me second what Champion said:

lol are you even playing on P99?

[Keza]

I think you're blowing it out of proportion, but yes this is exactly why I look forward to green server. I want something like a classic progression, and I would argue it is impossible on this server.

While leveling my first toon to 60, I had a couple k in gear dropped on me by strangers. It was very welcome but at the same time made the game easier. You might ask "why didn't you just refuse it?", but that would have been pointless. If I really want classic progression, I'd have to only group with people who don't engage in twinking. But with so much good gear cheaply available as Jimjam pointed out, there's no way to avoid grouping with people with "out-of-progression" gear, and thus no way to have a classic progression experience. The longer a server drags on in the limbo of velious endgame, the further from classic progression players can ever achieve. Really the only way to achieve a classic progression is to start everyone from 0. I honestly don't care if 100 people make a third of LGuk unplayable because they want manastones, guises and FBSSs, I'll just avoid them and enjoy the remaining 99% of the game.

This is pretty much my feel. There are people who seem to be holding a gun to their head for the thought of neckbeards camping future-removed items. I couldn't care less about a manastone. Maybe I'd want a guise on a PLD or something, idk, but it's not like I care so much that I'm going to sit here and pointlessly claim that there is no meaning in life because some efllord is going to outnerd me.

What I, and I think most people want from green is a fresh start. No PLs. No twinks. No enchanters/shamans locking down 20+ mob camps. Most of all an actual classic start, with the only exception being foreknowledge of content. We should all know by now that blue is a beta. There was plenty of non-classic things in blue for a very long time. I've loved my time on blue but I'll love green all the more.

Simply put, yes, there will be neckbeards. No, the experience will not be sunshine and smiles through & through. Yes, people know where to go and what to farm and how to play. No, I do not care if you farm 800 manastones and I get none. I don't even intend to try. I just want to play a truly fresh, classic server.

Although I say all of this I hypocritically want there to be some balance changes on green. I mean shamans/enchanters are gods amongst the ants they trivialize and fungi tunics really shouldn't be equippable by level 1s. I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S NOT CLASSIC.

[Champion_Standing]

This is pretty much my feel. There are people who seem to be holding a gun to their head for the thought of neckbeards camping future-removed items. I couldn't care less about a manastone. Maybe I'd want a guise on a PLD or something, idk, but it's not like I care so much that I'm going to sit here and pointlessly claim that there is no meaning in life because some efllord is going to outnerd me.

What I, and I think most people want from green is a fresh start. No PLs. No twinks. No enchanters/shamans locking down 20+ mob camps. Most of all an actual classic start, with the only exception being foreknowledge of content. We should all know by now that blue is a beta. There was plenty of non-classic things in blue for a very long time. I've loved my time on blue but I'll love green all the more.

Simply put, yes, there will be neckbeards. No, the experience will not be sunshine and smiles through & through. Yes, people know where to go and what to farm and how to play. No, I do not care if you farm 800 manastones and I get none. I don't even intend to try. I just want to play a truly fresh, classic server.

Although I say all of this I hypocritically want there to be some balance changes on green. I mean shamans/enchanters are gods amongst the ants they trivialize and fungi tunics really shouldn't be equippable by level 1s. I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S NOT CLASSIC.

Nah it's not about prenerf items. Obviously I was being a bit dramatic in my other post. It's the simple fact that the toxic end game mentality that many players are insulated from while leveling right now will be in every zone 30+ because that's where the best items, exp and plat will be. You don't have a whole ton of content to work with that's easily accessible in classic and it will impact your gameplay. Personally I'll play on a green server, but I would caution anyone who thinks it's going to be a significantly better experience over the current environment on blue.

[Kanuvan]

lol are you even playing on P99? 30 people in Field of bone right now under lvl 10, saw over 60 in gfay last week. Unrest, Kurns, Mistmoore, CoM, KC, always packed except really late at night or early in the morning.

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

[DMN]

Hrmmmm. Buttcrack reduction from readily available GotDs is possibly reason enough..

[Dillusional]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

Yeah, well, the average player seems to be in their early to mid thirties now since we were mostly teenagers when this game came out the first time. We've got jobs and families etc. Peak hours are peak hours. Being able to find a group for bar room in SolA 6 out of 7 nights of the week seems pretty legitimate 10 years into the life of the server.

[Champion_Standing]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

That's just not true, just took my cleric from 15 to 45 grouping the whole way playing off peak hours, mainly in the mornings EST. Tons of new players on the server right now. Yeah sometimes you have to wait or get your own group together but it's hardly unplayable.

[Talinthis]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

everything from cabilis to freeport to gfay and in between has a lot of people everywhere at all times of the day all week long. i started like 2 months ago, there are lots of groups, i just think its you that doesnt know how to find them.

[Jimjam]

problem has never been your items, the problem is the new player population is extremely scarce and a 100pp budget is not enough to solo on most classes.

to play this emulator these days you need a 3000p budget atleast so you can solo when no one plays their alts, sorry not everyone wants to be a solo class

The items I listed are all ones I've bought for 40pp or less on alts.

I find you can make a surprising amount of plat simply killing decaying skeletons in North Ro for 3 or 4 levels.

Perhaps newer players will see these items listed for 200pp and think no one would take considerably lower offers. That would be a misconception though.

You don't really need 3k to solo a melee either. I've created so many untwinked characters, often refusing to use EC and can still get by with whatever crap I've found. Sure I won't be chain killing yellows, but whatever.

[aaezil]

If you cant enjoy blue 99 with the current neckbeards why would you assume you will enjoy green 99 with the exact same neckbeards

[loramin]

You don't really need 3k to solo a melee either.

When did "being able to solo as untwinked melee character" become our standard of a good server? (That's rhetorical, not picking on you Jimbo.) In the classic EverQuest I remember melees didn't solo, or at least not consistently for experience (they totally soloed for fun and maybe loot, but only soloed for XP if they absolutely couldn't find a group or were killing time while they waited for one).

Maybe in Luclin as more Fungis accrued, mudflation increased the available twink items, the bazaar made buying them easier, AAs led to free mass Aegolism buffs, and things like Paludal Cavern introduced EZ mode for alts ... but in Classic through Velious it felt to me like less than 1% of the server had the resources to twink out a character anywhere close to P99 twink levels. Just about everyone was busy working on their first character (or they worked on alts when their main wasn't close to 60). Of the people who did have twinking resources, most twinked out hybrids and casters. And out of the ones that twinked melees the vast vast majority grouped with those twinked melees.

A warrior soloing for levels in classic was a freak, if they even existed at all. Or at least that's the EQ I remember.

P.S. Ok, now go ahead and tell me your stories of how your server was full of soloing twinked melees in Kunark .... I know this forum, I'm waiting ...

[Kika Maslyaka]

When did "being able to solo as untwinked melee character" become our standard of a good server? (That's rhetorical, not picking on you Jimbo.) In the classic EverQuest I remember melees didn't solo, or at least not consistently for experience (they totally soloed for fun and maybe loot, but only soloed for XP if they absolutely couldn't find a group or were killing time while they waited for one).

Maybe in Luclin as more Fungis accrued, mudflation increased the available twink items, the bazaar made buying them easier, AAs led to free mass Aegolism buffs, and things like Paludal Cavern introduced EZ mode for alts ... but in Classic through Velious it felt to me like less than 1% of the server had the resources to twink out a character anywhere close to P99 twink levels. Just about everyone was busy working on their first character (or they worked on alts when their main wasn't close to 60). Of the people who did have twinking resources, most twinked out hybrids and casters. And out of the ones that twinked melees the vast vast majority grouped with those twinked melees.

A warrior soloing for levels in classic was a freak, if they even existed at all. Or at least that's the EQ I remember.

P.S. Ok, now go ahead and tell me your stories of how your server was full of soloing twinked melees in Kunark .... I know this forum, I'm waiting ...


I soloed Warrior in vanilla. To lev 5! Everyone was very impressed I made it that far.

[Wallicker]

ALS for life! Every single player in ALS goes through the process of no twinkage and not only that we don’t use the outside economy so no 100pp 12/24 weapons etc on melee. Lots of starting characters rock combine weapons, etc. you will enjoy every level and actually progress through upgrades! Come give us a try!

[Mistle]

That's the first time I've ever seen someone happy about Lou Gehrig's Disease.

[rekreant]

If you cant enjoy blue 99 with the current neckbeards why would you assume you will enjoy green 99 with the exact same neckbeards

Because those neckbeards are so tied to their pixels they already earned and their false sens of superiority that we can be fairly certain they wont even touch green with a ten foot pole.

[rekreant]

When did "being able to solo as untwinked melee character" become our standard of a good server? (That's rhetorical, not picking on you Jimbo.) In the classic EverQuest I remember melees didn't solo, or at least not consistently for experience (they totally soloed for fun and maybe loot, but only soloed for XP if they absolutely couldn't find a group or were killing time while they waited for one).

Maybe in Luclin as more Fungis accrued, mudflation increased the available twink items, the bazaar made buying them easier, AAs led to free mass Aegolism buffs, and things like Paludal Cavern introduced EZ mode for alts ... but in Classic through Velious it felt to me like less than 1% of the server had the resources to twink out a character anywhere close to P99 twink levels. Just about everyone was busy working on their first character (or they worked on alts when their main wasn't close to 60). Of the people who did have twinking resources, most twinked out hybrids and casters. And out of the ones that twinked melees the vast vast majority grouped with those twinked melees.

A warrior soloing for levels in classic was a freak, if they even existed at all. Or at least that's the EQ I remember.

P.S. Ok, now go ahead and tell me your stories of how your server was full of soloing twinked melees in Kunark .... I know this forum, I'm waiting ...

Agreed. I only ever heard of and saw monks soloing in Luclin once fungis became much more accessible. Before then there was maybe that one monk who would solo dragons but other than that you never heard about anyone soloing.

[Balimon]

Agreed. I only ever heard of and saw monks soloing in Luclin once fungis became much more accessible. Before then there was maybe that one monk who would solo dragons but other than that you never heard about anyone soloing.

You weren't looking closely then. I soloed on my monk alt almost exclusively 1-40 pre Luclin. There were solo guides available at the time, this was without a fungi and very little twinking. Monks were always a solo class, I believe Loramin is referring to warriors and rogues.

[rekreant]

You weren't looking closely then. I soloed on my monk alt almost exclusively 1-40 pre Luclin. There were solo guides available at the time, this was without a fungi and very little twinking. Monks were always a solo class, I believe Loramin is referring to warriors and rogues.

Prove it.

[Balimon]

Prove it.

Lawl really ? If you care so much, use the wayback machine and find it. I'm sure there are others with similar experiences.

[rekreant]

Lawl really ? If you care so much, use the wayback machine and find it. I'm sure there are others with similar experiences.

Yeah I have. Ive gone back on Monkly business often, and ya know what? Rarely was anyone soloing prior to luclin. Only exceptionally geared and skilled players were doing it. Past lvl 20 or so you couldnt solo anymore without great gear. It was rare.

[Balimon]

I suppose I dreamed doing the aviak guards and the hermit in lake rathe, or Osgarden in the jail in high keep ? Or doing the bar in sola in the 30's ? I wish I could remember the entire sequence but I soloed on him most of the way, I did group some in high keep just because I was there already for Osgarden.

Dunno where I got all the info from but it was out there I certainly didn't know about all those spots on my own.

[rekreant]

I suppose I dreamed doing the aviak guards and the hermit in lake rathe, or Osgarden in the jail in high keep ? Or doing the bar in sola in the 30's ? I wish I could remember the entire sequence but I soloed on him most of the way, I did group some in high keep just because I was there already for Osgarden.

Dunno where I got all the info from but it was out there I certainly didn't know about all those spots on my own.

You probly did it in velious or luclin and are misremembering. Its ok, we all experience false memories.

[Jimjam]

When did "being able to solo as untwinked melee character" become our standard of a good server? (That's rhetorical, not picking on you Jimbo.) In the classic EverQuest I remember melees didn't solo, or at least not consistently for experience (they totally soloed for fun and maybe loot, but only soloed for XP if they absolutely couldn't find a group or were killing time while they waited for one).

Maybe in Luclin as more Fungis accrued, mudflation increased the available twink items, the bazaar made buying them easier, AAs led to free mass Aegolism buffs, and things like Paludal Cavern introduced EZ mode for alts ... but in Classic through Velious it felt to me like less than 1% of the server had the resources to twink out a character anywhere close to P99 twink levels. Just about everyone was busy working on their first character (or they worked on alts when their main wasn't close to 60). Of the people who did have twinking resources, most twinked out hybrids and casters. And out of the ones that twinked melees the vast vast majority grouped with those twinked melees.

A warrior soloing for levels in classic was a freak, if they even existed at all. Or at least that's the EQ I remember.

P.S. Ok, now go ahead and tell me your stories of how your server was full of soloing twinked melees in Kunark .... I know this forum, I'm waiting ...

This is rather the point I was getting at, on blue it is trivial to get a base level of fear that way overpowers what a new player might use on live.

It actually raises a second issue; I'm not sure npc content is tuned correctly, certainly at low level. Even in the most rudimentary gear mobs seem to be easily mitigated. I suggest low level mobs may have an under tuned attack score.

[Grail3r]

So what youre saying is youd rather play world of warcraft. They have that. They have that RIGHT NOW.

WOW is a bit too casual for me . I like the idea that if you bite more than you can chew you are potentially going to lose all your gear . Also XP loss is great isn't it , makes you really hate dying .

However EQ on p1999 is pretty easy if you have a lot of platinum ( In which you can just buy the best twinking gear and snooze to 50 with fungi tunic only 45k plat? )

I would join Green Server if given the choice .

[Bristlebaner]

I get so sick of people complaining about the server maturity. If you play 10 hours a day, whether you start day 1, or today, you're going to be a "have". If you play casually and have a few hours a week, you're going to be a "have not". Time is linear.

[Balimon]

You probly did it in velious or luclin and are misremembering. Its ok, we all experience false memories.

I'm sure your memory is perfect. Now I remember why I don't post much on the forums. Dick.

[rekreant]

I get so sick of people complaining about the server maturity. If you play 10 hours a day, whether you start day 1, or today, you're going to be a "have". If you play casually and have a few hours a week, you're going to be a "have not". Time is linear.

This is fundamentally wrong. You cannot earn the same amount of plat in the same timeframe as they did. You could play 18 hrs a day for 3 more years and NEVER EVER get close to the amount of plat people who did the same thing from the launch of the server. Facts are facts.

[Bristlebaner]

This is fundamentally wrong. You cannot earn the same amount of plat in the same timeframe as they did. You could play 18 hrs a day for 3 more years and NEVER EVER get close to the amount of plat people who did the same thing from the launch of the server. Facts are facts.

The general point people make is that they are just so far behind they will never "catch up". The reality is that most of the people who say this, would never "catch up" even if the server launched last week.

Are there people on this server with millions of platinum? Yes. Do you need millions to do just about everything in EQ? No.

Example:

Player 1 starts an enchanter. He has 10 hours a day to play. Probably gets to 60 and can join Aftermath in 3 months, maybe 2. In the first 6 months of raiding, he is in mostly no-drop gear, substantially better than what 90% of the server wears. He also has won a few 100k+ items that go for relatively low DKP and should not be sold. Things slip through the cracks and he makes 300-500k by selling droppables. He is also a well geared 60 enchanter and 10 hours a day will allow you to camp for hundreds of thousands more plat anyways.

Player 2 starts an enchanter. He has 2 hours a day to play. He gets to 60 in 15 months. He can't join any meaningful guild because his play time is too low and will never maintain the minimum DKP requirement. He joins a casual guild that has to team up with another guild to down even trivial targets. He has 8k in the bank and struggles to buy even his level 60 spells.

I would be willing to bet that most of the folks that whine that we need a new server are player 2. And always will be, whether they start day 1 or day 1000.

It's just how these things go ;)

[Zalora]

Something tells me that if the p1999 devs actually wanted to release the Green server they could probably do it in about 3 months. They don't probably because this is just a hobby and if they don't really feel like working on something this day or that day they won't. Such is the life of a hobbyist programmer.

[Evia]

I dont understand why every single time someone posts about being interested in a fresh new server, I get to read 20+ posts of arrogant asshats with their noses pointed in the air commenting in various ways about the insane population, how the future items will be perma-camped, how neckbeards will still be neckbeards and casuals will still be casuals...ect

I'm 99% sure everyone who is interested in a new server knows how it goes. They know the shit show that goes on for pre-nerf items and camps. It doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are STILL interested in a new server because they want the playing field to reset to zero again, regardless of the insanity.

[rekreant]

I dont understand why every single time someone posts about being interested in a fresh new server, I get to read 20+ posts of arrogant asshats with their noses pointed in the air commenting in various ways about the insane population, how the future items will be perma-camped, how neckbeards will still be neckbeards and casuals will still be casuals...ect

I'm 99% sure everyone who is interested in a new server knows how it goes. They know the shit show that goes on for pre-nerf items and camps. It doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are STILL interested in a new server because they want the playing field to reset to zero again, regardless of the insanity.

Because this entire community is toxic, whether it admits it or not.

[Swish2]

Because this entire community is toxic, whether it admits it or not.

Not true, I think people just put it on for the forums. The game at the lower end is nothing like this.

In fact I'd go as far to say that the community is online is the opposite of how it is on here...except for the raid scene and everyone trying to find an advantage through a broken rule.

[Bardp1999]

Example, I grouped with Swish quite a bit over the years while he was playing his SK. In game he is actually quite pleasant, on the forums, drug addled man-child loser.

[Swish2]

Example, I grouped with Swish quite a bit over the years while he was playing his SK. In game he is actually quite pleasant, on the forums, drug addled man-child loser.

Nice to see I'm still rustling people in 2019 without trying, and not even in RNF (where the quoted comment belongs) :o