Reset Sleeper's Tomb

[Dark_Magic]

I think we can all agree that it would be an extremely unfortunate decision to allow a small group of douchebag neckbeards to wake the sleeper, and then have a warderless TLP Velious server until the end of time.

It's been 3 years. Let's put Kerafyrm's head back on the pillow.

[Sonderbeast]

Chardok 2.1 isn't even out yet, how dare you ask such a thing???

[Mead]

lol

sorry you didn't get warder loot

[Jimjam]

Nah, unless it is to retest the wake sleeper script: apparently it was bugged out and we didn't get a proper rampage.

Just make sure you have a longer neck beard when green rolls out.

[Jauna]

reset the warders but with no loot
preserves the nature of classic but at the same time allowing people to die to kerafyrm and sit in firiona vie and make every online cleric regret getting their epic

[Swish2]

How about we add LDoN as something fun to do on the side? Then add cats but not add Luclin, maybe make them start at Qeynos to liven up the Karanas a bit? Then add some of the non gamebreaking AAs in? Oh and the Legacy of Ykesha zones weren't bad were they?

It'd still be classic guys, just with a bit more flavor... what do you think?>

[Hibbs]

Just make sure you have a longer neck beard when green rolls out.



https://i.imgur.com/gNYPchF.jpg


Don't even think you're eligible for such loot unless you can wear this bad boy.

[elwing]

Not classic, bring the pitchfork, the torch, the tar and feathers!

[azeth]

I have 3 primals and a clawed guardian bracer

[Trzzle]

Nah, unless it is to retest the wake sleeper script: apparently it was bugged out and we didn't get a proper rampage.

Just make sure you have a longer neck beard when green rolls out.

Wasn't bugged, worked just fine.

[Ravager]

It was surprising the sleeper slept as long as it did on this server.

[fastboy21]

I think we can all agree

Look's like you got that one wrong...

Welcome to p99. There are literally people here who believe Bush took out the towers, rogean works for DBG, gender is fluid, and a wild Friday night somehow involves Twitch...

We agree on nothing here. Grab a tinfoil hat from the props bag and enjoy the ride.

[aaezil]

bush didn't do 9/11 ?

[Vapos]

Look's like you got that one wrong...

Forum trolls will be forum trolls. There is no reasonable argument against resetting ST. "Not classic" is quaint, but this server gave up on being classic long ago. Make ST fun again.

[Dark_Magic]

It is to me.

Sorry about that lack of warder loot. I can link mine if you want.

Ahh now we get to the bottom of it. You're special, and other people getting warder pixels would make you less special. Got it. You've won me over.

Sorry for the thread guys, I take it back. Let's leave ST as is to protect this guy's childlike insecurities.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Glad you agree, sorry for your loss and Warder loot.

(Lack of)

I hope you don't act this cringe-y in real life, dude.

[Jimjam]

Ahh now we get to the bottom of it. You're special, and other people getting warder pixels would make you less special. Got it. You've won me over.

Sorry for the thread guys, I take it back. Let's leave ST as is to protect this guy's childlike insecurities.

Phew!

I'm glad that's over.

Move to resolved and keep scout as is.

[Aviann]

I just wanna see Kerafyrm destroying people. I'd die happily for the cause.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Cause elf forums correlates to RL, sorry you can't separate.

Sorry the only thing you will be remembered for is patting yourself on the back for depriving others of loot/content.

[Champion_Standing]

Reset the server

[Mead]

Sorry the only thing you will be remembered for is patting yourself on the back for depriving others of loot/content.

this is exactly why we woke him

see you on green

can close this up now

[m00r5tuD]

great idea OP

[fortior]

signed, but only if rogean makes it so being slain by kerafyrm deletes your char

[roks1]

Reset the server
and
Freeze current characters from use until the end of velious so people can return to their investments at the end of the server run :^)

[Bboboo]

add a npc that will reset sleepers tomb once 1bill plat has been traded to him

[fastboy21]

Just move this to RNF so folks can write what they really think.

[Renad]

Folks being extra cunty today. Special occasion?

[Sonark]

If they ever did, I'd switch back to Monk.

Dat Shroud of Longevity, doe.

[mycoolrausch]

A custom raid zone with semi-equivalent loot to replace the removed content on a top heavy content locked server would be a nice compromise and keep warder loot unique/classic.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Give the same middle finger back to the people who woke the Sleeper gave to the rest of the server:

Put the warders back with their original loot tables, with no way to permanenty despawn warders ever again, and watch the self-esteem of the people who woke the Sleeper shrivel to nothing as they will no longer have special/unique gear they get off on having deprived everyone else from ever obtaining.

May not be classic, but neither is top guilds not moving on to Luclin+ content to free up current raid content for other guilds.

[Jimjam]

If we look at classic mechanics vs experience, I don't think any server actually woke the sleeper in velious era, did they? As such is there any proof that the wake the sleeper mechanic was even implemented during p99 era?

Regardless, the ship has sailed and kerafym has flown the nest. Be free young prismat!

[indiscriminate_hater]

Sleeper should do a fly-by of EC tunnel every random(7,20) days and wipe out anyone who is afk and less than level 10

[kjs86z]

Aside from "reeeeeeeee not classic" there is no other argument here for not having warders in the game.

Four more high end raid targets would be a good thing. Change my mind.

[azeth]

Aside from "reeeeeeeee not classic" there is no other argument here for not having warders in the game.

Four more high end raid targets would be a good thing. Change my mind.

reeeeeeeee not classic

[YendorLootmonkey]

Aside from "reeeeeeeee not classic" there is no other argument here for not having warders in the game.

People who got warder loot before the sleeper was awakened and people who derive enjoyment from depriving everyone else of pixels would all lose their sense of self-worth and become suicidal, so we clearly can't have that.

[Sonark]

People who got warder loot before the sleeper was awakened and people who derive enjoyment from depriving everyone else of pixels would all lose their sense of self-worth and become suicidal, so we clearly can't have that.Firm disagree

[aaezil]

Reset Blue

[Foxplay]

The whole 4 more raid targets helping the raid scene argument is like saying throwing a single bucket of water on a building that's on fire is "helping"

Raid scene was never as bad back in classic because it's bottlenecks where not endless, there was always a new expansion around the corner and even the most no life Uber guilds would only raid at most 3 or 4 nights a week and had to prioritize the new content thus leaving the older content wide open for lesser guilds to farm

Now I'm not saying priortizing targets doesn't happen on p99 but with an endless velious leaves alot of guilds with very very unclassic numbers of 60s and pocket 60s that guilds can distribute out amongst spawns and windows they know are due... On p99 a raid kill force is only a text message and about 45seconds to a couple minutes away at most major targets

[Bbeta]

this is exactly why we woke him

see you on green

can close this up now

More like a butt hurt hoku didn't have anymore server firsts he could put his name on, so he put his name on waking the sleeper.

Ib4, he's not butt hurt it was a group decision. Yeah right, lmao.

[branamil]

Letting players delete content was a very poor MMO design decision. Repeating that mistake on purpose was not ideal, either.

As far as classic / not classic.. It's hard to say a velious without warders is more classic than a velious with them.

[Erati]

Love my banked Green Resistance Stone, its sooo gud!

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Resistance_Stone

[Llandris]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

[Rygar]

If we look at classic mechanics vs experience, I don't think any server actually woke the sleeper in velious era, did they? As such is there any proof that the wake the sleeper mechanic was even implemented during p99 era?

Regardless, the ship has sailed and kerafym has flown the nest. Be free young prismat!

Sleeper was indeed awoken during Velious on, at the very least, a few servers.

That being said, I could make an argument against sleeper being awoken too early and that being unclassic.

Basically, Velious launched with an incomplete Sleeper's Tomb as was kind of common for Verant in expansions (polish the uber end game with patches later as folks gear up / discover quest chains, etc).

So on live, eventually Uber_Guild_A (probably Fires of Heaven / Afterlife / Legacy of Steel) keyed up. Remember, the key is NOT soulbound during Velious era. So they sent in a rogue hoping to H/S through and scope the zone.

What do they see upon zoning in? Some human NPC standing there named something like, "!SleeperZoneShoutOn", which was supposed to be the warning shout for entering the zone. There was no mobs in the entire zone! I could probably find the date if I tried.

I'm assuming Sleeper's Tomb was entered early and farmed by P99 neckbeards. In live this would not have been possible.

Also, in live, there was at least 2 bugged sleeper scripts. I think Conquest woke the sleeper once and the sleeper turned into a level 1 human that they killed. Another time after that, script was buggy still and sleeper woke while a warder was still alive and he was reset. Doubtful P99 would recreate those incidents, but they happened.

Someone tell me the dates (such as # of days / weeks after P99 velious launched), when did P99's first warder die? When was the sleeper wakened? I could figure out if he was awakened unclassically.

I would be curious if Rampage would have wakened the sleeper as soon as they did without having the opportunity to farm some warders. Likely more competition would have been present as well, slowing the flow of pixels.

Regardless, if sleeper does ever get reset on Blue, it will be pointless with neckbeard autism levels. I would only be in favor of that if zone becomes no CSR if only 1 warder is left standing. Your best bet is Refresh server, see him woke ever 3-4 years!

[Erati]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

You gotta turn in Shawl 8 (when implemented), 1 ST Key, White Dragon Helm and a Golden Heckled Hammer to start the Warder Revive Quest which will teleport you plus 29 other raiders to Ssra Temple. Key up, defeat Emperor Ssra and turn in his head to Jaled Dar to reset Warders and recieve a 2 year lockout from Ssra.

[Rygar]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

You would need to change your old 'The Perfect Storm' sig, but instead of 'Bonus EXP Enabled' it would say 'Sleeper Reset'. PetitionQuest to the extreme!

[fastboy21]

I have to say that 99% of all the nostalgia "I just want to see the sleeper" is probably BS. Folks just want the pixels.

I happen to think that resetting the sleeper could fairly be a one time server wide event/ accomplishment without ruining the classic EQ experience...but that it would have to be made allowable to wake him permanently again, which would likely happen soon after the reset.

The waking the sleeper mechanic is actually one of the coolest things in all of EQ and MMOs imo...and making it resettable kinda ruins it for me. The few servers that managed to keep the server asleep on live (on Xev it lasted until PoP) were major accomplishments and major betrayals when agreements were broken. Heroes and villains were made. People gained cross-server fame and infamy. There isn't much that exists like that in any other MMO.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

Sleeper reset if no raid-related petitions for 12 months.

[Fammaden]

Reset the zone every earthquake, no warder respawns after killing until next quake.

[Khaleesi]

There's not much more to add to this, it goes both ways, however I would point out that the issue with stating it's "classic" is completely trivialized by the fact that nothing is classic about it, when you know the future. This obviously applied to everything about the server, though to get anal now ten years in is, nonsensical. And to not for once put down the 'classic' pitchfork about an aspect that affects both veterans and new potential raiders, as arguably the most 'epic' thing that could occur in this time era, seems both petulant and disingenuous.

It's as if Nilbog thinks that letting the Warders respawn is going to line the pockets of every player with uber items - which it won't as it will be highly contested, isn't doable by everyone and if it was, oh well, more fun for all.

When Rogean and Nilbog complain and comment about how they cannot believe the toxic level it's reached and their disappointment in how people behave, you'd think they'd capitalize by increasing a sense of community, with more server events and activities and attempting to display an interest in fixing the culture of the server.

Here is the opportunity to remind the no lifers that all the years of griefing, and 'server first's (lol at the people that uploaded images of their characters on the wiki, sad...)
and corruption have meant absolutely nothing - a nice reality check that unlike other games that require you to 'gear up' to get ready for the next expansion, Blue goes NOWHERE, and your membership to the Grey Robe Club is just some embarrassing badge of honor only you and a thousand other people have any idea about.

Just picture it, - all the sleepless nights, and missed gains on your muscle growth; all the wife aggro and times you sorta broke up with your girlfriend, and all the cyber you did with Amelinda lead you to Kerafym's tomb.
Then Nilbog comes in and trolls you by putting the Warders on Earthquake, meaning other guilds will get loot and you have zero worthwhile legacy on the server to tell all your new pals on TLP about.

And Green terrifies you, because Green means that you either have to do it all over again, or be forgotten as those dudes on that Blue server that no one will care about anymore.
Jeez, even Red players will be remembered more than you. Hi Swish.

@Rogean and Nilbog

#YouDon'tLikeNeckBeardsPuttingInTheSameAmountofHou rsYouDoAtWork
#PeopleBeforePixels

Prove it.

[lctucker2999]

add a npc that will reset sleepers tomb once 1bill plat has been traded to him
Or like... a billion fire beetle eyes. Would be fun to see all the high end players running around misty chasing down fire beetles.

[Uuruk]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

I'm impressed you have made it this long Llandris and not gone mad.

[Fammaden]

Or like... a billion fire beetle eyes. Would be fun to see all the high end players running around misty chasing down fire beetles.

Sure make it like the opening of AQ in WoW. A million of like ten different resources, bone chips, silks, pelts, etc.

[Lewkeng]

wake sleeper, make his area an arena, no csr, goodluck.

[fastboy21]

There's not much more to add to this, it goes both ways, however I would point out that the issue with stating it's "classic" is completely trivialized by the fact that nothing is classic about it, when you know the future. This obviously applied to everything about the server, though to get anal now ten years in is, nonsensical. And to not for once put down the 'classic' pitchfork about an aspect that affects both veterans and new potential raiders, as arguably the most 'epic' thing that could occur in this time era, seems both petulant and disingenuous.

It's as if Nilbog thinks that letting the Warders respawn is going to line the pockets of every player with uber items - which it won't as it will be highly contested, isn't doable by everyone and if it was, oh well, more fun for all.

When Rogean and Nilbog complain and comment about how they cannot believe the toxic level it's reached and their disappointment in how people behave, you'd think they'd capitalize by increasing a sense of community, with more server events and activities and attempting to display an interest in fixing the culture of the server.

Here is the opportunity to remind the no lifers that all the years of griefing, and 'server first's (lol at the people that uploaded images of their characters on the wiki, sad...)
and corruption have meant absolutely nothing - a nice reality check that unlike other games that require you to 'gear up' to get ready for the next expansion, Blue goes NOWHERE, and your membership to the Grey Robe Club is just some embarrassing badge of honor only you and a thousand other people have any idea about.

Just picture it, - all the sleepless nights, and missed gains on your muscle growth; all the wife aggro and times you sorta broke up with your girlfriend, and all the cyber you did with Amelinda lead you to Kerafym's tomb.
Then Nilbog comes in and trolls you by putting the Warders on Earthquake, meaning other guilds will get loot and you have zero worthwhile legacy on the server to tell all your new pals on TLP about.

And Green terrifies you, because Green means that you either have to do it all over again, or be forgotten as those dudes on that Blue server that no one will care about anymore.
Jeez, even Red players will be remembered more than you. Hi Swish.

@Rogean and Nilbog

#YouDon'tLikeNeckBeardsPuttingInTheSameAmountofHou rsYouDoAtWork
#PeopleBeforePixels

Prove it.

You realize that most of us have done it "all over again" many times over? I think I've now played on four totally fresh servers since I started on p99, and I don't think I'm very unique.

I think you're over estimating the resistance the hard-core crowd has to steamrolling another server...they live for that shit. They are the Borg.

[fiveeauxfour]

Love my banked Green Resistance Stone, its sooo gud!

https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Resistance_Stone


I keep my red stone equipped just because it makes me feel special :o

[Pint]

Sleeper reset if no raid-related petitions for 12 months.

Lol love unsolvable quests

[Ella`Ella]

Reset the sleeper so you can bitch more the next time it gets reset.

[Ella`Ella]

I'm impressed you have made it this long Llandris and not gone mad.

It's only a matter of time...

[Tethler]

I would like to see the sleeper back with warders after completing some sort of long PITA quest, but I'm just a CSR rep and have minimal if any dev input

If so, please make sure there are several bottlenecks with long respawn mobs (with variance to add some spice). Players could come to some sort of agreement about how to handle the situation like reasonable well-adjusted adults (rolling or making a list) and build comraderie and friendships while waiting for the aforementioned long respawn bottleneck. I, for one, look forward to this pinnacle of Project 1999 Everquestery.

[Shinko]

he would be woken day 1 of reset

[Tethler]

he would be woken day 1 of reset

Really though, just make it the reward of some previously uncompleted quest already in the game and not announce which quest it is. Will get people out in the world quest hunting for a change.

[Synthlol]

Reset the zone every earthquake, no warder respawns after killing until next quake.

This is my preferred implementation as well.

[Bardp1999]

he would be woken day 1 of reset

Might last a week, definitely not longer

[Mead]

More like a butt hurt hoku didn't have anymore server firsts he could put his name on, so he put his name on waking the sleeper.

Ib4, he's not butt hurt it was a group decision. Yeah right, lmao.

he's not butt hurt it was a group decision

[DiogenesThaDogg]

ST will be reset on green server, just saying.

[kotton05]

Could we roll on this please

[Darkog]

Reset the zone every earthquake, no warder respawns after killing until next quake.

This. Totally remove the possibility that another group of undesirables will come along and deprive the community of pinnacle end-game content.

[kjs86z]

Reset the zone every earthquake, no warder respawns after killing until next quake.

This.

[Troxx]

Respawning the warders without fully resetting the sleeper would be ideal. It’s not classic, but there are a lot of things about p99 that are deliberately not classic.

The spirit of he server is to have classic content/mechanics in place to be enjoyed longitudinally. Unfortunately this content is not around to be enjoyed by anyone only because a guild decided they were done and felt the need to ruin it for everyone else who still plays this server years on.

To make it fun you could set the respawn time at 28 days with 14 day variance with a chance to fully skip a spawn. Mobs would be rare and the window could be sufficiently long that you can’t even hope to sock it. If not already part of sleeper tomb mechanics you could also disable Coth in the zone forcing guilds to clear all the way down.

[Rygar]

Respawning the warders without fully resetting the sleeper would be ideal. It’s not classic, but there are a lot of things about p99 that are deliberately not classic.

The spirit of he server is to have classic content/mechanics in place to be enjoyed longitudinally. Unfortunately this content is not around to be enjoyed by anyone only because a guild decided they were done and felt the need to ruin it for everyone else who still plays this server years on.

To make it fun you could set the respawn time at 28 days with 14 day variance with a chance to fully skip a spawn. Mobs would be rare and the window could be sufficiently long that you can’t even hope to sock it. If not already part of sleeper tomb mechanics you could also disable Coth in the zone forcing guilds to clear all the way down.

To be fair, 'spirit of the server' is to emulate classic and experiences... not being able to farm warders cause some A-Hole guild decided to C-block you is Classic AF. If sleeper is never reset on Blue it would be a true classic experience, no question.

Not saying I'm not for some classic content, because after all being able to search for new quest chains and the thrill of the unknown were a big part of the classic experience.

[pogs4ever]

Hint that there is a quest to put him to sleep then Don’t implement it. That’s classic in spirit.

[Daloon]

Should have joined Rampage sorry guys. The Sleeper wasnt meant to be seen by everybody, only the bravest and most hardened adventurers.

[foxchris509]

Once a year reset ST? Id love to see it happen.

[Dark_Magic]

Should have joined Rampage sorry guys. The Sleeper wasnt meant to be seen by everybody, only the bravest and most hardened adventurers.

The majority of people playing now weren't playing then. They had no choice in the matter.

The majority of people playing then (including Rampage members who decided to wake the Sleeper) aren't playing now.

All the more reason to reset ST.

[Hakubi]

Would be nice custom content after Chardok. As long as it was like tribute and based around removing inflated items and plat from the economy. Maybe with a big dick leader board (personal and guild -- whoever removes the most at the end of a blind yearly race gets access to the zone and a custom title), FBSS/SCHW shouldn't be worth 2.4k/1.1k nor half the other easy twink items be so saturated. Maybe all raid mobs drop a bonus token if you have under X amount of people on the hate list sharing a guild tag giving smaller non-zerg guilds a chance.

[Oleris]

I'd love for ST to be reset, but how long would it take for the old Rampage crew to get enough people to just wake it up again and quit out for the lulz?

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'd love for ST to be reset, but how long would it take for the old Rampage crew to get enough people to just wake it up again and quit out for the lulz?

They've probably got a raid force logged in ST just in case.

[Freakish]

Shit it's happening. Sending bp now.




Nerds.

[Pheer]

Quick recap since everyone seems to have forgotten one of the main motivations for waking the sleeper which was detoxx sending tells like these to most rampage leadership and some members on a regular basis from the day velious dropped right up until the second the sleeper was awakened. (He was in the zone talking shit in ooc while we killed the warders)

People have posted less offensive shit on these boards and gotten forum + in game banned/suspended for it but for some reason him being a guild leader made it not harassment and totally okay to sperg out on people over a videogame.

But hey aftermath has had their forum warrior crew spam the "hurr durr vulak gharn's rock" shit for like 3 years now everytime the subject comes up so i guess that must be the truth

https://i.imgur.com/ycpOgHA.png

[Dark_Magic]

Quick recap since everyone seems to have forgotten one of the main motivations for waking the sleeper which was detoxx sending tells like these to most rampage leadership and some members on a regular basis from the day velious dropped right up until the second the sleeper was awakened. (He was in the zone talking shit in ooc while we killed the warders)

So you woke the Sleeper and deprived the community of end-game content to spite one dude? Was this post supposed to make you seem less petty? If so, it fell short of the mark.

[branamil]

>hits screen cap and crops every single tell into an elven memory collage
>totally cool and normal

[Troxx]

Quick recap since everyone seems to have forgotten one of the main motivations for waking the sleeper which was detoxx sending tells like these to most rampage leadership and some members on a regular basis from the day velious dropped right up until the second the sleeper was awakened. (He was in the zone talking shit in ooc while we killed the warders)

People have posted less offensive shit on these boards and gotten forum + in game banned/suspended for it but for some reason him being a guild leader made it not harassment and totally okay to sperg out on people over a videogame.

But hey aftermath has had their forum warrior crew spam the "hurr durr vulak gharn's rock" shit for like 3 years now everytime the subject comes up so i guess that must be the truth

https://i.imgur.com/ycpOgHA.png

I think we can all agree that Detoxx (and aftermath in general though not including all members) are toxic. It just sucks that << Detoxx vs the world >> resulted in every other p99 player past/present/future has to suffer for that shit.

Rampage was top dog. Detoxx et al didn't have their chance to be "IT" until after the real neckbeards of this server were done with the bullshit that is p99 raid scene.

[Pheer]

>hits screen cap and crops every single tell into an elven memory collage
>totally cool and normal

>spamming both members and officers of a competing elf guild everytime your elf guild loses a pixel dragon for over a year straight
>totally cool and normal

we had the guild start taking screenshots and logs of all the crazy shit he was spamming them with after he started going full REEtoxx mode. Partially to just point and laugh at his insanity ("benfing riules to your fucking limb" is a personal favorite of mine) but also partially to have evidence that established a history of harassment targeted at our guild and leadership in particular. Nothing ever came from it tho so evidently its okay to call people "faggots" and "cocksuckers" in game as long as you dont say it on the forums. Or as long as you lead a raid guild i guess. Hes chilled out some in the years since but if a guild could somehow come out of nowhere and start beating AM to like 80% of mobs you can bet he'd have a flare-up

[Gimp]

You're lucky he didnt break your face into 50000 pieces

[aaezil]

https://i.imgur.com/ycpOgHA.png[/QUOTE]

[Sonark]

So you woke the Sleeper and deprived the community of end-game content to spite one dude? Was this post supposed to make you seem less petty? If so, it fell short of the mark.Big time

[Kika Maslyaka]

So you woke the Sleeper and deprived the community of end-game content to spite one dude? Was this post supposed to make you seem less petty? If so, it fell short of the mark.


Mobs exist to be killed. Killing mobs is classic.
If you not happy with encounter being completely cleared and setting off a chain reaction leading to a point of no return - you should complain to its original designer - aka Brad McQuaid.

P.S. I always thought it was stupid mechanic game-play wise. But... SHIT IS CLASSIC!!!

[Hibbs]

So you woke the Sleeper and deprived the community of end-game content to spite one dude? Was this post supposed to make you seem less petty? If so, it fell short of the mark.

Meh even so.. if Rampage didn't wake the sleeper someone else would have.

[aaezil]

As much as i want a resetting sleeper so that i can experience the content i also think that a one shot only in server history type event is about as epic as you can get in a mmorpg

[Nommis]

Cool and normal OOC in ST while we're trying to kill dragons.

01/31/16 07:43:48 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'bye rampage pals! was fun!'
01/31/16 07:45:05 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'didnt need a wizard to kick ur asses the last few weeks :) so mad ur leaving the server'
01/31/16 07:45:15 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'was nice of taken to carry you though!'
01/31/16 07:46:09 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'primals are here to stay boys, no probs'
01/31/16 07:46:34 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'server first gharns today'
01/31/16 07:46:40 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'some real salt there for poor hoku :('
01/31/16 07:46:47 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'couldnt deliver to your fearless leader'
01/31/16 07:47:07 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'yeah yeah'
01/31/16 07:47:31 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'i dont really care lol'
01/31/16 07:47:36 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'im glad, less stress'
01/31/16 07:47:46 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'i wanna see if it works'
01/31/16 07:48:03 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'u guys are so mad, ur denying everyone pixels for one last power play of a failed guild'
01/31/16 07:49:04 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'fucking giants...what a disappointment'
01/31/16 07:49:16 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'lol we could have woken the sleeper weeks ago'
01/31/16 07:49:21 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'that point proves nothing'
01/31/16 07:49:48 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'still slow as fuk, as usual!'
01/31/16 07:52:21 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'ahh victory smells so good!'
01/31/16 07:52:38 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'my mustache?'
01/31/16 07:53:34 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'lol you guys are high if u raelly think i autefired. im on my warrior every time but, be it as it may'
01/31/16 07:53:53 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'the one autofiring fought to get the autofiring removed in tov from you guys'
01/31/16 07:53:57 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'makes total sense lol'
01/31/16 07:59:21 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'cant wait to get my essence earring!'
01/31/16 08:09:02 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'could have done that 2 weeks ago bro'
01/31/16 08:09:06 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'aint nothing special lol'
01/31/16 08:09:56 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'lol me autofire, u guys autofired to 28/30 ntov mobs and once u had to stop'
01/31/16 08:09:59 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'been getting smoked since'
01/31/16 08:10:15 PM Detoxx says out of character, '57 vulaks'
01/31/16 08:10:22 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'grats reep server first gharns rock'
01/31/16 08:10:53 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'sall good, competition to salty to compete'
01/31/16 08:11:24 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'oh hey its the turn coat loot whore snackies!'
01/31/16 08:11:26 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'nice'
01/31/16 08:11:39 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'grats on flopping 7 diff guilds for all ur epics'
01/31/16 08:11:42 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'pathetic'
01/31/16 08:12:41 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'thats all u guys'
01/31/16 08:12:47 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'ib known as the server cheats'
01/31/16 08:13:19 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'u guys are so mad lol this is a victory for me! pushed u guys over the edge!'
01/31/16 08:13:56 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'the risk of sharing accounts i guess'
01/31/16 08:14:19 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'and come one, dominating velious? once u had competition u guys got smoked so bad ur pushed to quit and wake the sleeper lol'
01/31/16 08:15:43 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'yeah, cause someone who was autofiring would totally want to take away tha advantage'
01/31/16 08:15:46 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'makes total sense lol'
01/31/16 08:16:08 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'id like to see the video'
01/31/16 08:26:26 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'get on with it!'
01/31/16 08:27:35 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'gunna lol if u wipe on stream'
01/31/16 08:28:00 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'rofl, taken been carrying u for weeks'
01/31/16 08:28:01 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'please'
01/31/16 08:28:08 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'u guys have had a miserable fall off :('
01/31/16 08:29:07 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'yeah like winning :( tough to swallow i know'
01/31/16 08:29:34 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'deal'
01/31/16 08:29:42 PM Detoxx says out of character, 'jk lewl, have fun!'
01/31/16 08:31:36 PM Detoxx says out of character, '5/7 vulaks pushed u to this! i know it!'

[aaezil]

*autism intensifies*

[Detoxx]

Quick recap since everyone seems to have forgotten one of the main motivations for waking the sleeper which was detoxx sending tells like these to most rampage leadership and some members on a regular basis from the day velious dropped right up until the second the sleeper was awakened. (He was in the zone talking shit in ooc while we killed the warders)

People have posted less offensive shit on these boards and gotten forum + in game banned/suspended for it but for some reason him being a guild leader made it not harassment and totally okay to sperg out on people over a videogame.

But hey aftermath has had their forum warrior crew spam the "hurr durr vulak gharn's rock" shit for like 3 years now everytime the subject comes up so i guess that must be the truth

I dunno what's more pathetic:

Trying to hide the fact that you're all dbags and did It to spite me cause I said some words back to you after getting the same shit tells from your guild and its leadership, or;

The fact that you're hiding the fact that your guild was getting shit stomped and couldnt compete anymore so you took your ball and went home and are again trying to say I'm the reason it was woken.

I'm flattered, honestly, that some words over the internet from me so deeply and profoundly affected you that you're projecting lies and misinformation 3 years later.

Seek help.

[Sonark]

Cool and normal OOC in ST while we're trying to kill dragons.

*bunch of Detoxx and only Detoxx /ooc*Do you know what actual transparency is?

Including both sides of the conversation.

[Mead]

The fact that you're hiding the fact that your guild was getting shit stomped and couldnt compete anymore so you took your ball and went home and are again trying to say I'm the reason it was woken.

fake news

[I Felt Nostalgic]

I'm new to the server so I am in favor of a reset. Just my 2 copper.

[Viscere]

Pheer and rewl, butthurt since 99 lol

[Viscere]

Core less cool since you joined them also , fer yer informashiun

[icedwards]

Core less cool since you joined them also , fer yer informashiun

Nah, we like Rewl a lot :cool:

[Pheer]

visceral, still butthurt about an april fools thread i made about him 5 years ago so he goes into every thread i post in trying to troll

also im not in core. i havent even logged in since well before tempest broke up

[Nirgon]

Don't you ever listen to this scum

If they had it their way they could summon their own items at will then get bored and quit in a few days


I've walked among these scummers and I don't mean spied on /gu as a GM either

I rolled in the filth with em

[Viscere]

If you want sleeper wait til project Green 99 which will be released when Sean hates all of us a little less.

[Veleria]

I used to be in the group of people that wanted it reset but now I am less into chasing those elusive pixels. While I would like the warders to be reset periodically, I am not interested in the loot. just hoping for the opportunity to do the content. What I would liek is that someday they respawn them but with zero loot so players who came here to experience the best of a classic game have a way to do the fights. Without a reward one might hope that only those who want to do the content for the sake of doing it might someday get the opportunity. Its a pipe dream and I would rather not have any repop than one with loot because then the same old bs will just happen again. With as many good people are in this community it has also harbored some of the most toxic players I have ever seen since the good old days of EQ. No content is better than bad content.

[Vapos]

fake news

I've heard it told by numerous old-school players that Rampage decided to /quit after the competition started taking end-game mobs from them. I wasn't around back then, so I can't say for sure...but waking the Sleeper and quitting the game simply because you can't have Velious all to yourself anymore would be a pretty bad look.

On live, this game mechanic made sense because everyone moved on to new content in the next expansion(s) within a few months. On a time-locked Velious server such as ours, the Warders being gone forever makes a lot less sense.

As a few people have mentioned, there has been a huge influx of new players (and retiring of old players) since the Sleeper was awoken. Seems silly to allow a decision made by long-gone players to impact the community today. As such, I'd like to see the Warders reset every 6 / 12 months. This gives a new set of players the chance to experience the content every so often, and allows the current end-game raiding community to decide the fate of Kerafyrm during their time on P99.

[Wonkie]

good gear just makes the game easier for you. when i see a bis raider i see someone who is bad at killing orcs and needs extra help

[Rimitto]

What would be an easier and funner solution would to be just resetting the sleeper at random intervals based on the server owner's whims.

That way nobody could ever know when to expect it, and short of regularly checking to see if it "might" be active, everyone would be completely in the dark.


I've personally never seen the sleeper or any of it's supposed effects ever. To me it's all Lore. But in that regard, if it really was an important part of EQ, then there should be someway for people to experience whatever it is that happened with it. If it means that some people aren't as special, because of drops, so be it. I seriously doubt this server, locked in time, was created specifically to make a few individuals feel special, but rather, share the experience of an era with generations beyond it's time.
if anyone has any problems with that statement, I would love to hear how,why, and how it would differ from just playing on live.

That being said, it would be impossible to stop human greed, because you can't control human emotions, you can only sway them into false negatives. Thus why I think a solution of inconsistencies would be the best way to solve the issue in question. If human greed is the problem, then let human greed eat itself to death. As far as simply removing the loot... If there was no loot, the concept of even attempting the sleeper might not even be considered by most people (I assume). It sounds like an incredibly heavy end game boss that would take a huge amount of resources. Which people just wouldn't do if it had no loot.

There's also a 3rd option. Instead of leaving it up to the guilds/server admins, It could be left up to the newbies/new players in some way. Aka new IP/accounts. Rather than count the number of people that want it respawned vs not respawned, if it was based on the number of "new people" since the last one was killed, it would make a somewhat more reasonable situation as to "why" it should be respawned, rather than simply "I WANT EAT SHINY PIXELS BECAUSE NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM" attitude.


That's all a bunch of theories and conjectures, feel free to analyze.
I do think it should be respawned at some point though, that or we should get frog people. I want to make a frog.

[Jazzy]

Stfu losers

You lost

Move on

[gkmarino]

This server's end game is maggot infested stale bread... and there isn't soup anywhere in this timeline.

[Jimjam]

Personally I think this has been a really interesting thread, and I think it is unfortunate that older posters have already hashed out the main thrust of why (or why not) the sleeper should be reset.

These older posters have denied opportunity to new posters to experience this discussion first hand, and as such I would like to suggest this thread should be reset and give everyone a fair opportunity to experience this thread from the start.

Reset the reset the sleeper thread.

[Briscoe]

It's not fair that I joined the server after guises were removed. Can we put them back in the game for a while so I can get one?

[I Felt Nostalgic]

You guys who are against a reset are mean!

[Polycaster]

bush didn't do 9/11 ?

It was the Deep State, of which Bush is a part. But he wasn't actually behind it, as he is just a pawn.

[roks1]

Developer Troll Idea: Remove Vulak and implement the Ring of Vulak in exchange for the Warders.

[Rimitto]

Developer Troll Idea: Remove Vulak and implement the Ring of Vulak in exchange for the Warders.

I don't know what that is, but you should probably lock it behind a multi-tier'd language quest that requires old erudian, elder dragon, several faction changes, and extremely high baking/jewelrycrafting/pottery skills.

:cool:

Edit: also make it PVP only.

[roks1]

I don't know what that is, but you should probably lock it behind a multi-tier'd language quest that requires old erudian, elder dragon, several faction changes, and extremely high baking/jewelrycrafting/pottery skills.

:cool:

Edit: also make it PVP only.

Ring of Vulak happened around early luclin or so when vulak proper was removed and in his place a drake or some sort took his place in his spawn point -- I never attempted the original Ring of Vulak but it's just like it sounds -- once you start the ring, you're restricted to that room and have to fight wave after wave of drakes and wurms and so on in order for vulak to spawn, and if you stepped out of the proper area your guild got death touched for some reason! But on the brightside, vulak started dropping Ancient spells if you could pull off a win (I don't recall any guilds beating the ring of vulak for a while since the only ones who could were working on luclin time sinks and had all the vulak shit they wanted)

[Alanus]

Ring of Vulak happened around early luclin or so when vulak proper was removed and in his place a drake or some sort took his place in his spawn point -- I never attempted the original Ring of Vulak but it's just like it sounds -- once you start the ring, you're restricted to that room and have to fight wave after wave of drakes and wurms and so on in order for vulak to spawn, and if you stepped out of the proper area your guild got death touched for some reason! But on the brightside, vulak started dropping Ancient spells if you could pull off a win (I don't recall any guilds beating the ring of vulak for a while since the only ones who could were working on luclin time sinks and had all the vulak shit they wanted)

If I remember right, Ring of Vulak was not killed until after PoP came out. It was really difficult

[zodium]

I don't know what that is, but you should probably lock it behind a multi-tier'd language quest that requires old erudian, elder dragon, several faction changes, and extremely high baking/jewelrycrafting/pottery skills.

:cool:

Hell yeah, depending on those faction changes, Gatmanno is ready for this. :o

[reznor_]

wake sleeper, make his area an arena, no csr, goodluck.

[Mistle]

If I remember right, Ring of Vulak was not killed until after PoP came out. It was really difficult

It's not as bad with modern knowledge. Vulak himself was a pushover, but nowadays people are able to coordinate multiple concurrent cheal rotations for the flurry waves and control the splitter waves so there aren't fifteen of them in camp. DPS is also higher and you aren't stuck with half the raid playing druids and rangers doing little more than taking up space.

Back then, not so much.

[TomisFeline]

reset sleeper and,
make ST auto pvp flagged.

boom bam server self regulates

[Solist]

You're forgetting everything here does 50-200% more dps than it did on live. Ring of Vulak would be absolutely unkillable, mechanically impossible on p1999 due to unclassic overtuning of npc's here.

[Freakish]

Put 4 invisible switches somewhere in the world. Make it a tiny switch. Invisible. When clicked, one warder spawns. Force people to go through every zone investigating every nook and cranny until they can find the switch. All four switches pushed and ST will stay reset.

[squarez]

Personally, I think the whole point of the server is to give people an opportunity to go back at anytime and experience something as close to classic EQ as possible. That in mind, I think these are two possible solutions to these debates:

(preferred)
Implement something like 'seasonal' server (what green would be but reoccurring), with progression that dumps all characters to a 'legacy server' (like what blue is now) at the end of its timeline. Then starts the cycle all over again. *think Daybreak is not cool with this option

-OR-

(stopgap)
Implement some automated system to experience expired content (like warders and sleeper, maybe even nerfed items as well) over again. I mean if the server is never going to change or update and be a true untouched museum server, I don't see the issue in this for posterity purposes. There are all kinds problems with this solution and I still think the best way is the first option.

[aaezil]

Why are you assuming what daybreak wants/doesnt want/allows?

[squarez]

Why are you assuming what daybreak wants/doesnt want/allows?

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

[Rimitto]

Put 4 invisible switches somewhere in the world. Make it a tiny switch. Invisible. When clicked, one warder spawns. Force people to go through every zone investigating every nook and cranny until they can find the switch. All four switches pushed and ST will stay reset.

so basically I would be the only one doing all the heavy lifting, seeing as I'm the only one that ever binds to halas :cool:

Honestly though, If I may interject, resetting the sleeper's tomb could be an event in and of itself. Even moreso, it could be a yearly event. Something akin to a "christmas" season of everquest, where once a year, the magical bullshit gods come down and lay waste to the land, granting us all a merry apocalypse and a happy death to all.

Other games have this same model with their own style events, and they work VERY well. Of course the problem is always greed, but like I said, you can't solve player greed. The best you can do is mitigate it. trying to solve greed is like trying to solve emotions. Solve hate. Solve love. Solve confusion. Solve pride. Solve jealousy. Solve Impotence. Solve devotion. Solve fear. Solve Excitement. Solve greed.

[Toomuch]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

[Erati]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

Bad example. Museums have limited time exhibits all the time.

[azeth]

ST is less of a museum and more like Studio 54

[loramin]

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

Multiple people on P99 are also idiots. Who you listen to (hint: stick to knowledgeable people) is far more important than the quantity of people who don't actually know anything that you listen to.

And if you stuck to knowledgeable people, you'd know that A) "Green" is the entire point of this project, and B) the staff have flat out said the Daybreak agreement (whatever it entailed) did not prohibit new servers.

[Rimitto]

Bad example. Museums have limited time exhibits all the time.
Let us learn from example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZudVf2PNc

Erase all the previous loot dropped, reset everything.

[aaezil]

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

Sounds a lot like an unsubstantiated rumor to me!

[zodium]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. :o

[Rimitto]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. :o
so what you're saying is that we should have a server-wide reset.
I am 100% for this logic.

RESET THE SERVER GUYS!!!!

[zodium]

What makes you think you'd make it to warders on Green? :o

[Izmael]

Just make the warders repop with each quake.

Quakes are unclassic anyway, so might as well.

[azeth]

Quakes are unclassic anyway, so might as well.

they are?

[branamil]

They were specifically put it in to emulate the classic experience of frequent patches and server resets. Search the forums for it.

[Solist]

Have nots will always be have nots. Could start 10 new servers (which isn’t classic btw) and these guys still wouldn’t get their precious pixels.

Classic new servers launched at CURRENT timeline. Morell Thule with kunark, Vazaelle with Celious, Kane with Luclin. None of those servers ever saw a guise or stone etc.

[Sonark]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content. Well no, not at all, because there is literally precedent from the dev team in allowing not Classic things to be things.

In some cases unavoidable, in some cases just because they think it's easier, and in some cases probably because they don't care enough.

Nevermind that the timeline itself isn't 1:1 accurate, again undermining the point you thought you were making.Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. :oNow this is probably true.

[Sonark]

These "Classic above all else" people really like to cherry pick what constitutes what where, and talk about original developer intention, which usually doesn't involve people being as shitty as possible to each other.

Fundamentally it doesn't actually bear weight as a proven article.

It's an idea, and ideas are fluid, though I agree there should be limitations.

If we really want to talk about "developer intentions" we could probably all agree that not only was there no script for the Sleeper coming back, they never needed one because that gear was trash garbage about a year and a half later, and the original dev's were wildly erratic with what they ever decided needed to be focused on.

A year ago on Live (or was it two?) they went back and fixed old Kunark-era quests that no one could ever possibly want to do...but would make sense on p99, and be very Classic indeed, because that was their intention.

[azeth]

I'm sorry but I can't stand posts from new P99'ers in this thread. So sorry you missed out. These posts make me physically cringe and wretch

[Sonark]

I'm sorry but that doesn't mean anything to me.

[Sonark]

Though there is something deeply ironic about someone not liking that someone "new" (I've played since launch) is coming to play an old version of an old game, because they're not yet old enough to have played the old game long enough by the standards of the currently old game.

[azeth]

Though there is something deeply ironic about someone not liking that someone "new" (I've played since launch) is coming to play an old version of an old game, because they're not yet old enough to have played the old game long enough by the standards of the currently old game.

yea except you and everyone else knows you're just mad you don't get a shot at something. so here you are trying to summon up some objective reason why you should.

you know you missed Lustrous Russet armor too? But of course you don't care about that because the quality of it is piss compared to Velious armor.

hmmm I wonder why you only care about ST loot and not other items that are also extinct? could it be because ST loot is top tier? That can't be it right.... ;)

[Sonark]

yea except you and everyone else knows you're just mad you don't get a shot at something. so here you are trying to summon up some objective reason why you should.Here's what I want out of p99:
Greenmist (weapon)
Greenmist (armour set)

That's it.

But the argumentation for/against reviving the Warders is absolutely weighed more heavily towards the respawn than against, despite what the really pathetic "this content isn't available because one guy made a couple guys mad, so they decided to fuck over everyone." argument the against people always seems to fall back on.

Not including the Classic!!!!!!11111 people, who make fair points, but ultimately not ones that hold enough water.

Ultimately, if the p99 devs say "Nope." then Nope is what it shall be, but as this is an open discussion thus far with no such interjection, I'm sorry you won't be as special as you want to like to think you are, and they should bring them back.

Because the best part of being Classic is not being a piece of shit.

[loramin]

yea except you and everyone else knows you're just mad you don't get a shot at something. so here you are trying to summon up some objective reason why you should.

This whole argument is entirely subjective. Rampage and the people who got Warder loot before Sleeper don't want it reset so their pixels/experience remain "special", Everyone who wants warder loot wants Sleeper to be reset so they can get it.

Either side can argue all they want about what's classic, but this is a unique situation on a unique emulated server: there is no "true classic" answer. It's all just people with egos wanting what's best for them: there's nothing objective about the arguments being made on either side.

[Sonark]

yea except you and everyone else knows you're just mad you don't get a shot at something. so here you are trying to summon up some objective reason why you should.To be even more clear, because I know you need it, and you've edited, objective isn't the case.

It's a stronger case, however, without being objective, because those aren't the same thing.you know you missed Lustrous Russet armor too? But of course you don't care about that because the quality of it is piss compared to Velious armor.What? I don't even know what that armour is.

What's the reason for missing it?
It was eventually patched out, or some people decided to hold a grudge so horrifically deep against one person that they decided to fuck over every other possible human being that would come to this game for now and ever more?
Because those are, ahem, objectively different thingshmmm I wonder why you only care about ST loot and not other items that are also extinct? could it be because ST loot is top tier? That can't be it right.... ;)This is a thread ABOUT ST loot.

The arguments, therefore, are based on that subject.

I'm open to way more for/against certain loots coming back arguments outside of this one, but this one also seems like the easiest and most clear cut to ultimately side with.

Without being objective, because the pieces of the puzzle are objective, but that doesn't make the final puzzle objective in and of itself.

[Sonark]

This whole argument is entirely subjective. Rampage and the people who got Warder loot before Sleeper don't want it reset so their pixels/experience remain "special", Everyone who wants warder loot wants Sleeper to be reset so they can get it.

Either side can argue all they want about what's classic, but this is a unique situation on a unique emulated server: there is no "true classic" answer. It's all just people with egos wanting what's best for them: there's nothing objective about the arguments being made on either side.Bingo bango, rango.

[Mead]

This whole argument is entirely subjective. Rampage and the people who got Warder loot before Sleeper don't want it reset so their pixels/experience remain "special", Everyone who wants warder loot wants Sleeper to be reset so they can get it.

Either side can argue all they want about what's classic, but this is a unique situation on a unique emulated server: there is no "true classic" answer. It's all just people with egos wanting what's best for them: there's nothing objective about the arguments being made on either side.

He ain't coming back no matter how much salt you try to lure him back with

[bigjeff100]

Bingo bango, rango.

You called?

https://i.imgur.com/vlszJxS.jpg

[zodium]

Well no, not at all, because there is literally precedent from the dev team in allowing not Classic things to be things.

In some cases unavoidable, in some cases just because they think it's easier, and in some cases probably because they don't care enough.

Nevermind that the timeline itself isn't 1:1 accurate, again undermining the point you thought you were making.

"If a few things are necessarily or deliberately unclassic, then nothing matters, hence everything can actually be unclassic just fine, according to my big boy brain" is universally the worst and laziest argument for anything on P99. Sorry. You may as well argue that because accounts weren't free in classic, there's no reason not to introduce the Nexus or PoK, because everyone can just make a port bot!

The time thing is just silly. Imagine an actual museum insisting on running an exhibit for the duration of their subject matter. "Come see our exciting exhibition on the early modern period, but don't wait too long, it closes in only three hundred years!" Or, sillier yet, closing the whole museum once it's run for the duration. :o

I've never seen a Warder on P99 or Live. By the time I started playing here, they were already dead.

[Quizlop]

Slight tangent, but if Project 1999 followed the same timeline as Live, we would be towards the end of Secrets of Faydwer where they had a Kerafyrm raid encounter.

Also, pretty much all Warder loot would be totally worthless by this time.

[RedXIII]

Not a classic request, move to resolved.

Wait till green99 to be cockblocked again from doing anything in Sleepers Tomb and you can cry again. Your tears are very important to us, keep em comming.

[aaezil]

I'm sorry but I can't stand posts from new P99'ers in this thread. So sorry you missed out. These posts make me physically cringe and wretch

Imagine caring that much about your pixels (seek help)

[Rimitto]

I'm sorry but I can't stand posts from new P99'ers in this thread. So sorry you missed out. These posts make me physically cringe and wretch

So what you're saying is that you wouldn't mind a server wipe & reset? :)
From what I'm hearing nobody is against it.

[Sonark]

"If a few things are necessarily or deliberately unclassic, then nothing matters, hence everything can actually be unclassic just fine, according to my big boy brain" is universally the worst and laziest argument for anything on P99.That's my point, yes.

Talking about Classis/not Classic is universally a waste of time.

It's an issue of what the devs like and don't like.

[Rimitto]

That's my point, yes.

Talking about Classis/not Classic is universally a waste of time.

It's an issue of what the devs like and don't like.

Just because the game was popular in 1999 doesn't mean the server devs should think like it's 1999 :rolleyes:

MMO's have many QOL features now, many of which revolve around players being able to experience content or grab rare gear by investing X amount of time.
or we could always go the P2P model. Thats popular right?
Donate 10 bucks to reset the sleeper's tomb ;-)

Just saying, there's possibilities to be had here :cool:
CAPITALISM HOOOOOOOOOOOO


Personally I think a fair solution would be to just keep it a yearly reset, like a christmas thing. As I've said before, since the sleeper is a well known part of everquest (even if you've never seen end game, you'll still have heard the name "the sleeper" ), it would be a nice way to truly celebrate everquest in it's prime.
..unless of course you don't want this to be like everquest in 1999 :)

[Sonark]

Just because the game was popular in 1999 doesn't mean the server devs should think like it's 1999 :rolleyes: ...okay?

Not sure how that has anything to do with what I've been saying, but I agree with the statement.

[Rimitto]

...okay?

Not sure how that has anything to do with what I've been saying, but I agree with the statement.

I mostly just reply, not to anything specific, and give my points of views on the overall topic. :rolleyes:

[Sonark]

Rolls eyes.