Game of Thrones

[mizzbiscuits]

Anyone here like GoT? The new trailer is awesome!

https://youtu.be/rlR4PJn8b8I

[America]

can someone take over the trolling of this thread for me please

[Madbad]

EDGAR WINTER IS COMING!!!!!1!


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[Madbad]

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[Madbad]

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[Madbad]

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[America]

cccombo cringer! good job soldier.

[Madbad]

https://i.imgur.com/C0vfpF4.jpg

[Madbad]

Edgar and Johnny Winter have a deep well of strangeness

[Bardp1999]

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[Madbad]

https://i.imgur.com/8L3infP.jpg

Butts n stuff

[jackharry]

Game of Thrones is a fantastic series. Every version having full interest for viewers.

[Irulan]

*inserts triggering comment*

I don't want to hurt you all. I could easily. But I don't.

[America]

*inserts triggering comment*

I don't want to hurt you all. I could easily. But I don't.

Good. Thank you. I care for you an awful lot & appreciate your mercy.

[Irulan]

It's still a good thread I just wanted it to stay good.

Thanks.

[DMN]

Bitches gonna die, and more bitches gonna cry.

[Wonkie]

game of thrones most boring show ever created, literally couldn't watch 1 episode that's how bad it was

garbage episode this week. nothng happened it was just talking

[DMN]

Did jon find out he's the rightful ruler yet?

[America]

havent seen a got since years ago cuz i dont have a lame wife or live with shitty parents ha ha

[mizzbiscuits]

Loved it! I won't spoil anything here. I'm both very happy and very sad the show will end soon!

[loramin]

Spoiler question:

Was anyone else as bothered by the use of bows and arrows as if they were guns in that one rescue scene? This is one of my new pet peeves: such sloppy writing! No one in medieval times secretly took over anything, ever, by walking a group of archers five feet away from some guards and then silently arrow-ing them to death.

[Thorondor]

Spoiler question:

Was anyone else as bothered by the use of bows and arrows as if they were guns in that one rescue scene? This is one of my new pet peeves: such sloppy writing! No one in medieval times secretly took over anything, ever, by walking a group of archers five feet away from some guards and then silently arrow-ing them to death.
im pretty sure two of of those bows were unregistered, and they may have been illegally modified

[AenorVZ]

Spoiler question:

The worst shit was

The Bran 9000 droppin that reality on Danny and zero reaction. She happily flirts through the rest of the episode with Jon never bothering to grieve for her zombie baby that is now a nuclear weapon.

[aaezil]

Snape kills dumpledorf

[Thorondor]

havent seen a got since years ago cuz i dont have a lame wife or live with shitty parents ha ha

Dont worry, im sure theyll throw a love scene between Reek and The Mountain in this season, for your viewing pleasure.

[mizzbiscuits]

havent seen a got since years ago cuz i dont have a lame wife or live with shitty parents ha ha

Actually from the pics you posted you do kind of look like Theon Greyjoy.

[America]

Actually from the pics you posted you do kind of look like Theon Greyjoy.

im a straight haired fine featured German with 4 inches on him you blinddumb goof. are you going for a misgendering angle because I made fun of game of thrones? :o

https://i.imgur.com/NcxQR5v.png

real class act of a lame wife :p also speaking purely statistically I am probably prettier than you!

[JurisDictum]

The dialog went to shit as soon as they didn't have the books to base any of the character interactions on. It's like True Detective season 2 or something.

[maskedmelon]

im a straight haired fine featured German with 4 inches on him you blinddumb goof. are you going for a misgendering angle because I made fun of game of thrones? :o

https://i.imgur.com/NcxQR5v.png

real class act of a lame wife :p

i concur with J, she looks nothing like that dude, not now, not before. she won before and still wins by a pretty damn big margin. comparison don't even make sense.

[mizzbiscuits]

No, I wasn’t being mean, your face kind of reminds me of the actors a bit. Which I think is awesome.

[Wonkie]

i changed my mind euron got to plow it was a good episode

[Bardp1999]

Episode was solid and very good - if you think differently then I challenge you to a FITE IRL.

NOTE: I have perfected the McGruber throat rip

[jackharry]

https://i.imgur.com/8L3infP.jpg

I don't know, what is he thinking right now,
Maybe, he is afraid due to cold water for bathing.
:o

[clevergirl]

i concur with J, she looks nothing like that dude, not now, not before. she won before and still wins by a pretty damn big margin. comparison don't even make sense.

America looks nothing like Theon, she's super fine featured lol.

Theons got much broader and heavy features.

Theon is orcish.

America is elfin.

Dealwith it. :cool:

[DinoTriz2]

I really loved the part when:

Tyrone Lannister dipped his coin purse in Old Six Finger's goat milk

[mizzbiscuits]

Hyped for Sunday! Battle of winterfel!

[Uuruk]

Anyone else grossed out by gendry and Arya making out ? At least ghost is back!

[Patriam1066]

i changed my mind euron got to plow it was a good episode

I like euron

[Wonkie]

cool let's just make 1/3 the season some garbage filler episodes that's why you watched this shit for 9 years right stupid viewer

oh well dragons next week

[FatMice]

cool let's just make 1/3 the season some garbage filler episodes that's why you watched this shit for 9 years right stupid viewer

oh well dragons next week

Basically this. Blew a budget on the battles. Realized oh we need more episodes. So we get fillers. And DB Weiss talks character development. Do we really need more character development after this much time?!?!

I hope I eat my words but my prediction is just like the book version it’s not written so not complete. Last episode a few characters left all gaming to get the throne. Black screen.

See ya next week when a wheelchaired mentalist takes on an undead wizard on a dragon. GG

[Patriam1066]

cool let's just make 1/3 the season some garbage filler episodes that's why you watched this shit for 9 years right stupid viewer

oh well dragons next week

I was waiting for Theodon from LOTR at one point. Ten minutes of that episode were straight from Helm’s Deep in the second movie

Dan and Dave need auschwitz

[Wonkie]

When revealing his heritage to Daenarys, Jon called her 'Dany'. She doesn't like that. This is the writers' way of telling us that Jon is a dick

[DinoTriz2]

Eddard Stark dies

[AenorVZ]

Anyone else grossed out by gendry and Arya making out ? At least ghost is back!

Maisie is 22 years old. Grow up.

[AenorVZ]

I was waiting for Theodon from LOTR at one point. Ten minutes of that episode were straight from Helm’s Deep in the second movie

Dan and Dave need auschwitz

Wow another antisemitic "joke" from the guy who really would like to burn some jews.

[Patriam1066]

Wow another antisemitic "joke" from the guy who really would like to burn some jews.

Free Iran Mr. iron sights

[DMN]

Anyone notice Arya had no scars on her stomach? Maybe the red lady actually is back already.

[Hibbs]

I was waiting for Theodon from LOTR at one point. Ten minutes of that episode were straight from Helm’s Deep in the second movie

Dan and Dave need auschwitz

Crazy you say that. I was describing how the episode played out to one of my co-worker and I talk about how it played out like Helms Deep did. I really hope the war scene doesn't replicate that fight.

[AenorVZ]

Free Iran Mr. iron sights

I hear you can get a good deal on Iranian surplus weapons ... Only dropped once.

[Patriam1066]

Crazy you say that. I was describing how the episode played out to one of my co-worker and I talk about how it played out like Helms Deep did. I really hope the war scene doesn't replicate that fight.

That was very lazy “writing” and direction. Dan and Dave are the two most overrated human beings to ever walk the earth. Martin creates a rich world with fairly original lore and they road his coattails to fame. I really hope he finishes the books (prays to the old gods and the new)

[Patriam1066]

I hear you can get a good deal on Iranian surplus weapons ... Only dropped once.

What is dead May never die

[d3r14k]

https://i.imgur.com/MnpMKc1.jpg

[Wonkie]

stick em with the pointy end

[DMN]

Another franchise ruined by shit tier feminazi trash. What is Rey Stark going to do next?

[mizzbiscuits]

Loved the episode.

[Wonkie]

why the fuck did the dothraki die for no reason?

[DMN]

Cavalry is shit for siege warfare, flaming swords or not.

[NegaStoat]

I liked the episode. I thought the script was well written and a lot of thought had been put into it. I even agreed with the characters that met their end and the way it was handled. Just one thing though involving the big ending for the episode.

If Arya Stark had been shown in some way to have adopted the seeming of one of the Night King's lieutenants via Masked Man mojo and made her way to strike in that manner, I would have bought it. Lock, stock, and barrel. Seemed dumb to go with a jump out of motherfukkin' nowhere like an Anime.

[DMN]

Rey mary sue stark needs no exposition.

[NegaStoat]

Yeah. Honestly, you have a decent point. The buildup with the main antagonist didn't include her character. She had a list of her own to work through. Her victim wasn't on it. I think it was a budget thing at work. So... Yeah. A mask would have made it slightly easier to accept, but we got screwed on the storytelling. I'm positive Martin wouldn't have gone that route.

[DMN]

The whole series has been trash since douchebag and douchebag had to create heir own narratives/plot lines. They are used to being talentless twits who just sit around making money off other peoples talent.

[Patriam1066]

why the fuck did the dothraki die for no reason?

because Dan & Dave are brain dead & because Arya jump murder stab is great fan fic and that’s what we’re doing now. The “strategy” behind the battle was fucking dumb

[Patriam1066]

Yeah. Honestly, you have a decent point. The buildup with the main antagonist didn't include her character. She had a list of her own to work through. Her victim wasn't on it. I think it was a budget thing at work. So... Yeah. A mask would have made it slightly easier to accept, but we got screwed on the storytelling. I'm positive Martin wouldn't have gone that route.

We started the series, both books and show, with the Others being set up as the true menace, far beyond the political intrigue. It took one shitty episode to resolve. I don’t know why they’re rushing to end the series, but it’s just garbage now. If Martin finishes his books, they’ll be a lot better.

[DMN]

He ain't finishing the books. There are so many loose ends to tie up and now he has to sort of conflate his work with Dbag and dbag's butchery, as he's said they won't differ much from the books. He's just gonna die fat and happy on a pile of money and Paris can have her shitty mary sue character. He's no tolkein or lovecraft.

[feniin]

Rey mary sue stark needs no exposition.

It's so cringey how much you hate women.

[India]

Season 8 "Winter is Coming"

Winter came as far south as Winterfell, the wind blew around a bit and now it is over.... Next up Cersei and the direction the show is going, they are going to want us to believe that a war against the NK, a demi-god, was far easier to win than the war against Cersei is going to be.

Bran

cosplays as a raven for awhile, the boy never even broke a sweat. Unless something pans out in future episodes it seems he's just there for filler

Dothraki

Oh our weapons are on fire now!! YAY let's charge in swords a blazing without any forethought.


I could go on, but overall what a disappointment

[FatherSioux]

Yeah that episode didn’t seem to be in the vein of the entire series. Helms deep 2.0. NK death was cheesy as hell. So Arya snuck up on the NK when he heard Jon Snow from 100 feet away surrounded by burning bodies and half dead soldiers? He doesn’t notice anything in the quiet woods surrounded by his highest level commanders? They don’t react? Really a lame way for NK to go down, they did him wrong.

[Patriam1066]

Dan and Dave delenda est

[feniin]

Everything was fine for the first 30 minutes. Then it all started falling apart when people were surrounded by dozens of wights and got away relatively unscathed.

Dragon Fire should have killed a few of the White Walkers, turning the tide of the battle a bit in favor of the living, only for the Night King to raise the dead again. Jon should have 1v1'd the Night King and drove his Valyrian Steel sword into his chest to end it. None of the build up matched the payoff.

Edit: Would have been fine with Jaime driving his sword through the Night King's back, pushing out the dragon glass, and ending it all, too.

[DMN]

It's so cringey how much you hate women.

I certainly care little for the women who live vicariously through shitty mary sue trash characters -- and their eunuch enablers.

[AenorVZ]

As Preston Jacobs points out, GRRM has said the endings will be essentially the same, but he's the most unreliable narrator of all.

[Thorondor]

I certainly care little for the women who live vicariously through shitty mary sue trash characters -- and their eunuch enablers.

Criticize one crappily scripted character played by a female, and you're attacking all of womankind.

As a woman, Feniin would be the resident expert on imaginary characters played by females.

[Yasi]

Overall, it was a good episode, but I am afraid GoT is losing a bit of what made it a great series initially:

GoT has always been able to kill protagonists.
Playing an important role with a big share of screen time didn't protect you from dying.

As stated somewhere above, several key People were fighting an overwhelming force of undead for several hours, just to barely survive - a miracle! Even the fat kid survived after spending the entire episode buried and crying under a pile of zombies.

The ones who died even got their heroic death. Little girl died just after killing an undead hill giant; Dany's step grandfather protected Dany for as long as necessary before his death; Theon protected Bran; Even Melisandre had her decisive moment in telling Arya to go for the NK.

Death of NK then pretty much came out of nowhere, although I liked the little wind/hair scene. Before that, I was hoping Bran would turn into something powerful and kill NK himself. Perhaps hiding a shard below his skirt over the last 25 episodes while faking his paralysis.

Going a bit too much Disney for my taste. But perhaps they manage to return to the good old GoT magic in the next episodes. Too early too judge now.



Btw, I loved that everyone kept ignoring the misogynist's rants in this thread for most of the time. Keep going.

[Llandris]

Jon should have 1v1'd the Night King and drove his Valyrian Steel sword into his chest to end it.

I wanted this to happen so bad

[azeth]

Finally caught episode 3... solid 0/10.

1. Arya has trouble sneaking past 10 brain dead Wights in the library... but somehow manages to sneak past the Night King's praetorian guard no problem.

2. I thought just for a second Bran's 3 eyed raven arc would come to a close, or at least have an impact... and it didn't.

3. Dany and Jon's army size was so small that I am certain not a single writer on the show has any knowledge of actual military history.

4. The Undead were standing still when the trench was lit on fire... remind me why the archers weren't peppering them with arrows?

5. Winterfell apparently comes equipped with absolutely zero counter measures against invaders scaling its walls.

6. How the fuck did the courtyard of Winterfell fit all of the soldiers who retreated?

7. A grand total of 6 trebuchet shots were fired at the undead, again why didn't the writers read a goddamn book or two before attempting to narrate a battle. Try 900 trebuchet shots for a more realistic number.

8. It made sense that the winter weather poured in when the Night King arrived, but did we really need to see Dany and Jon riding aimlessly in zero visibility for 25 minutes?

9. Jon Snow played ZERO ROLE in the entire battle. Why was he on the dragon in the first place? He should have been on the ground commanding his army.

10. Why suddenly was the Hound portrayed as an absolute quitter/coward?

I could go on, but holy shit this show sucked.

EDIT:

Also, related - this is the most embarrassing fucking thing I've read in a long time: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/opinions/game-of-thrones-winterfell-theon-redemption-maltby/index.html

[loramin]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/opinions/game-of-thrones-winterfell-theon-redemption-maltby/index.html

Great article, thanks for the link (and sorry you fear women so much you feel attacked by the article's completely valid point).

solid 0/10.

I wouldn't go that far, but yeah that episode was pretty bad. Bad just as an episode, and terrible as the culmination of years of story building. It had its moments of fun of course, but the suspension of disbelief required to enjoy it was nuts.

Like you said, there was so much unnecessary stuff (at least half the dragon scenes), but then also so much necessary stuff missing (eg. how do tons of characters go from a noisy pitched battle to silently sneaking around? how does Arya go from trapped to doing her big finale?)

Just bad craftsmanship on the part of the people making the show; they got so caught up with the CGI dragons and hordes of undead they failed at basic storytelling.

As one reviewer put it:

How did we get to a place where Arya’s assassination of the Night King felt like an intellectual letdown, where a big episode of “Game of Thrones” felt like badly shot and edited fan service rather than a genuine revelation?

[DMN]

Great article, thanks for the link (and sorry you fear women so much you feel attacked by the article's completely valid point).


The article didn't have a valid point. The moron writer even mentions melisandre but apparently because no one told her "you are a good person" then there was no redemption. Wow, so you need to have a MAN tell you that you are a "good person"? It's trash tier feminazi garbage. But you being a collegiate bootlicker im sure it's ambrosia for your stunted, pathetic soul.

[Wonkie]

melisandre did more than theon. her problem is a lack of dialogue acknowledging it. it's plainly obvious anyway.

[Mewse]

Great article, thanks for the link (and sorry you fear women so much you feel attacked by the article's completely valid point).

You're better than that. Thinking the article is hot garbage is in no way fear of women.

Terrible things happen to both women and men in the show. But as much as she mentions rape and the #metoo movement, she conveniently leaves out that Gendry was sexually assaulted and raped by Melisandre. And nobody even gave a shit. Nobody cared. Contrast that to how people reacted to Sansa. And her point about Theon didn't make sense either, because she didn't understand the scene and the fact that Theon was a stand-in for the audience, not that the scene was about Theon.

Or perhaps we could talk about the jokes made at the expense of the eunuchs of the show, like Varys, Theon, and the Unsullied. Can you even imagine the uproar if female genital mutilation was used as joke fodder? They'd burn the studio down.

The whole article just came across as agenda-pushing.

[DMN]

melisandre did more than theon. her problem is a lack of dialogue acknowledging it. it's plainly obvious anyway.

Did't you see the scene with Varys? She's already made her case for redemption to him. She brought "Ice and fire" together to confront the white walkers. And she knows for sure she's going to die if h she returns to aid them, but she's going to do it anyway. Hence, she knows she's sacrificing herself for what she believes is the greater good. This is of course a callback to sacrificing shireen for the greater good. And, personally, I think varys silence says far more than a throw away line from bran.

[Wonkie]

Did't you see the scene with Varys? She's already made her case for redemption to him. She brought "Ice and fire" together to confront the white walkers. And she knows for sure she's going to die if h she returns to aid them, but she's going to do it anyway. Hence, she knows she's sacrificing herself. I think varys silence says far more than a throw away line from bran.

agree that brans line was pretty empty, might be he was just comforting(lying to) a soon dead theon. have to rewatch still.

[azeth]

melisandre did more than theon. her problem is a lack of dialogue acknowledging it. it's plainly obvious anyway.

Good way to put it

[DMN]

agree that brans line was pretty empty, might be he was just comforting(lying to) a soon dead theon. have to rewatch still.

Right, what is he supposed to say to him? Theon, you were a giant asshole but you did some nice stuff too. Just thought I'd recapitulate your whole story arc just you before you die, bro, cause feminazis and stuff.

[Overweight]

10. Why suddenly was the Hound portrayed as an absolute quitter/coward?


I feel like you haven't been paying attention, at all.

[loramin]

The article didn't have a valid point.

You're better than that. Thinking the article is hot garbage is in no way fear of women.
...

The whole article just came across as agenda-pushing.

Did you guys read the same article as me, or did you just get through a paragraph, think "femizazi!" and run off?

The article I read made a very valid point about redemption arcs, both in GoT and in general. The very valid point it made was that men almost exclusively get the redemption arcs: women don't.

So look, disagree with feminism (ie. women being equal to men) all you want, but if you want to disagree with the article start by giving some real examples of female redemption arcs that actually contradict the article's point, in GoT or elsewhere. Maybe the very act of trying to do so will change your mind, precisely because there are so few.

In GoT Melisandre is as close as you'll find, and she very much wasn't redeemed in the same way Theon was. Both literally (nobody said she was, whereas the source of all knowledge in the world explicitly told Theon he was) and thematically (Theon had a long story taking him from being a villain to being a hero; Melisandre just disappeared and showed up).

[Thorondor]

Did you guys read the same article as me, or did you just get through a paragraph, think "femizazi!" and run off?

The article I read made a very valid point about redemption arcs, both in GoT and in general. The very valid point they made was that men almost exclusively get the redemption arcs: women don't.

So look, disagree with feminism (ie. women being equal to men) all you want, but if you want to disagree with the article start by giving some real examples of female redemption arcs.

In GoT Melisandre is as close as you'll find, and she very much wasn't redeemed in the same way Theon was, both literally (nobody said she was, whereas the source of all knowledge in the world explicitly told Theon he was) and thematically (Theon had a long story taking him from being a villain to being a hero; Melisandre just disappeared and showed up).


Feminism is not about women being equal to men. It's about women continuing to get the advantages that they were always afforded by society WHILE ALSO getting the advantages that men got.

[loramin]

Feminism is not about women being equal to men. It's about women continuing to get the advantages that they were always afforded by society WHILE ALSO getting the advantages that men got.

No, that's the made up definition in your head from reading too much chauvinistic crap.


fem·i·nism
/ˈfeməˌnizəm/
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

on the basis of the equality of the sexes

[Thorondor]

No, that's the made up definition in your head from reading too much chauvinistic crap.

Denialism.

[loramin]

Denialism.

I'm not the one making up my own definition of words and denying what the dictionary actually says.

P.S. Got any examples of female redemption arcs in GoT yet?

[Thorondor]

I'm not the one making up my own definition of words and denying what the dictionary actually says.

Feminism being about equality of the sexes is a made up definition. We already have a word for that; "Equality".

Feminicism would be a better word for it.

Look, Bro. I have a fiance and 4 daughters. I love women.

On that note, my fiance and I have had candid discussions about the outright hostility towards men in the current era, especially WHITE men, and how this has created an environment of stymied growth opportunities; and how her and I can approach career with that understanding so that we can exploit said system by catapulting her career by myself cross-training her into my career field, and then taking advantage of "diversity quota" requirements to land her in a lucrative position.

I write her resume. I teach her how to do the rote tasks. I develop the modelling tools she will need to succeed. Erryting.

Eat my asshole, hater.

[azeth]

I'm not the one making up my own definition of words and denying what the dictionary actually says.

P.S. Got any examples of female redemption arcs in GoT yet?

Got any examples of a female who needs one? I know you're not gonna say Cersei...

[Thorondor]

P.S. I'll be grooming and teaching our daughters how to exploit your stupidity to catapult themselves into success as well.

It's actually easier to instruct, and delegate to the lionesses then it is to do the work, myself, in the long run. ;)

[maskedmelon]

feminism is garbage because it teaches women that they are inferior and should waste their time combatting phantom oppression rather than just kicking ass and taking what's theirs. and it does this while exalting masculunity and deriding femininity in women. there's a reason it has fallen to the fringe. it made sense when women actually were physically repressed by men, but now only serves to coddle broken egos and excuse failure.

[Thorondor]

feminism is garbage because it teaches women that they are inferior and should waste their time combatting phantom oppression rather than just kicking ass and taking what's theirs. and it does this while exalting masculunity and deriding femininity in women. there's a reason it has fallen to the fringe. it made sense when women actually were physically repressed by men, but now only serves to coddle broken egos and excuse failure.

Yes, the subtext of affirmative action is that women are sub-par and need reduced standards, or men excluded entirely, to be able to compete with men. This is the belief of those pushing contemporary policies.

On another note, if the pay gap exists, and I'm an employer, and women are just as capable as men, then why would I hire men at all? I mean, I can get the same quality for "9%" less if I hire, exclusively, women, yeah? Are feminicists saying that men who own companies are hurting their own profit margin, intentionally, just out some sort of sordid sense of comradery with fellow men?

[DoucLangur]

So TL,DR: GoT thread evolved into male gamers explaining feminism

Did I get that right? :)

/Slozem
(white man who never felt threatened by feminists)

[DMN]

Did you guys read the same article as me, or did you just get through a paragraph, think "femizazi!" and run off?

The article I read made a very valid point about redemption arcs, both in GoT and in general. The very valid point it made was that men almost exclusively get the redemption arcs: women don't.


I already debunked this "very valid point". Melisandre has one of the most comprehensive redemption arcs. And between shireen and renly she probably had the deepest pit to scrawl out from.

[loramin]

You all have a very strange way of looking at the world.

If this was a fantasy novel and the orcs were oppressing their slave elves, would you complain that the rebels are teaching the elves that they are inferior when they point out the fact that the elves are enslaved?

Women are inferior in our society. That's not even a debate, it's a fact. It used to be incredibly overt: they literally weren't allowed to vote for most of the history of democracy.

But now it's a lot more subtle stuff ... like this article. If you're male, as I am, you can watch the most popular show on TV and see multiple stories about a man who fucks up, then becomes a better person and redeems himself. Similarly, you can see such stories repeated all over popular media (eg. Avengers). But if you're a women, you can't.

Now you can't on one hand say that doesn't matter, and then at the same time talk about how significant Game of Thrones is for our culture. It matters that half our society doesn't get stories to look up to. And if you truly love your wives/daughters whoever you should want them to get to have characters they can look to in stories just like you have.

I already debunked this "very valid point". Melisandre has one of the most comprehensive redemption arc. And between shireen and renly she probably had the deepest pit to scrawl out from.

Please. Do you even understand what a redemption arc is? Hint: it's what Theo got (a story) and not what Melisandre got (nothing).

[Wonkie]

I already debunked this "very valid point". Melisandre has one of the most comprehensive redemption arcs. And between shireen and renly she probably had the deepest pit to scrawl out from.

I changed my mind :) Mel doesn't need to be redeemed. She's the avatar of a divine horror, Theon is just some guy.

[loramin]

I changed my mind :) Mel doesn't need to be redeemed. She's the avatar of a divine horror, Theon is just some guy.

And that's just it: there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a character who's an avatar of divine horror. Melisandre does not need a redemption arc, nor does any individual character. This isn't a character problem, it's a story problem. And not even that, it's a stories problem.

Similarly, there is nothing wrong with a hero being a straight male white guy. Nothing. But it's the bigger picture, the forest from the trees, that you have to look at.

When (almost) every story is about a straight white guy, in a society made up of lots of other types of people, and meanwhile all those other types of people only get to be one-dimensional props in the straight white guy's story, how is that fair? Why doesn't everyone else in that society get to have stories of heroes that are like them?

[Wonkie]

And that's just it: there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a character who's an avatar of divine horror. Melisandre does not need a redemption arc, nor does any individual character. This isn't a character problem, it's a story problem. And not even that, it's a stories problem.

Similarly, there is nothing wrong with a hero being a straight male white guy. Nothing. But it's the bigger picture, the forest from the trees, that you have to look at.

When (almost) every story is about a straight white guy, in a society made up of lots of other types of people, and meanwhile all those other types of people only get to be one-dimensional props in the straight white guy's story, how is that fair? Why doesn't everyone else in that society get to have stories of heroes that are like them?

Who killed the Night King?

[loramin]

Who killed the Night King?

Yes, Arya's plot is something that couldn't have happened twenty years ago. It's awesome, and a sign of progress ...

... but that hardly means "yay everyone is equal now". The exact point the article made was that yes, there are strong female roles in GoT, something major dramas didn't use to have. Those women have agency, and that's awesome relative to before ...

... but still, point me to a female redemption arc in GoT. Or in other popular media today. The fact that it's so hard to do so just proves that there are stories we aren't telling. Much of our society does not get the same heroes to look up to that we (as presumably white straight males) do get ... eg. stories of redemption.

So it's true that before women didn't even have an "Arya" to look up to. Now they do. I don't in any way want to diminish how cool that is for women. But again, it doesn't mean that now half our society gets to see themselves reflected in half of our society's stories.

[Thorondor]

Yes, Arya's plot is something that couldn't have happened twenty years ago. It's awesome, and a sign of progress ...

... but that hardly means "yay everyone is equal now". The exact point the article made was that yes, there are strong female roles in GoT, something major dramas didn't use to have. Those women have agency, and that's awesome relative to before ...

... but still, point me to a female redemption arc in GoT. Or in other popular media today. The fact that it's so hard to do so just proves that there are stories we aren't telling. Much of our society does not get the same heroes to look up to that we (as presumably white straight males) do get ... eg. stories of redemption.


It's a fucking TV series bro. If they took the time to go out of the way and make it overtly-ladden with SJW bullshit like that stupid fucking Aquaman movie with the underwater sexist WHITE nazis, I wouldn't watch it.

[loramin]

It's a fucking TV series bro. If they took the time to go out of the way and make it overtly-ladden with SJW bullshit like that stupid fucking Aquaman movie with the underwater sexist WHITE nazis, I wouldn't watch it.

You said you love your wife and daughters. Why don't they deserve to have heroes like them on TV with stories of redemption? Why do only you deserve it?

[Thorondor]

Now you can't on one hand say that doesn't matter, and then at the same time talk about how significant Game of Thrones is for our culture.

Who the fuck said that it was significant for our culture and needed to MIRE all the leftist bullshit?

[Wonkie]

Yes, Arya's plot is something that couldn't have happened twenty years ago. It's awesome, and a sign of progress ...

... but that hardly means "yay everyone is equal now". The exact point the article made was that yes, there are strong female roles in GoT, something major dramas didn't use to have. Those women have agency, and that's awesome relative to before ...

... but still, point me to a female redemption arc in GoT. Or in other popular media today. The fact that it's so hard to do so just proves that there are stories we aren't telling. Much of our society does not get the same heroes to look up to that we (as presumably white straight males) do get ... eg. stories of redemption.

So it's true that before women didn't even have an "Arya" to look up to. Now they do. I don't in any way want to diminish how cool that is for women. But again, it doesn't mean that now half our society gets to see themselves reflected in half of our society's stories.

Is there a character that brought a huge army to conquer Westeros but chose to save everyone instead?

Did she ever do anything bad? Did she, like Melisandre, burn people?

[Thorondor]

You said you love your wife and daughters. Why don't they deserve to have heroes like them on TV with stories of redemption? Why do only you deserve it?

I don't make heroes out of fictional TV characters. That's called idolatry. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of Female Heroes in contemporary pop culture; and painstaking steps are made toward making "normal" heterosexual men out toward being supervillains, at the same time.

[Thorondor]

Is there a character that brought a huge army to conquer Westeros but chose to save everyone instead?

Did she ever do anything bad? Did she, like Melisandre, burn people?

LOL even Wonkie is calling contrived bullshit on this.

[feniin]

I don't make heroes out of fictional TV characters. That's called idolatry.

No female heroes in your book of make believe either.

[loramin]

Who the fuck said that it was significant for our culture and needed to MIRE all the leftist bullshit?

This is just one (currently eleven page) thread, of many, on a single 20-year old elf sim forum. There are many more, just here, and literally tens (hundreds?) of thousands of others out there on the web, all talking on this show.

So I guess what I meant was you can't do all this talking about a show on one hand and then pretend like "it's just some TV show, it doesn't matter for anything".

But again, why don't your daughters deserve to see redemption arcs of women on TV?

[Wonkie]

LOL even Wonkie is calling contrived bullshit on this.

Feminism is still good I just think the article is uncalled for in this specific example

[loramin]

Is there a character that brought a huge army to conquer Westeros but chose to save everyone instead?

Did she ever do anything bad? Did she, like Melisandre, burn people?

Look, we can get pedantic about what a redemption arc is if you really want Wonkie. I'm a Literature major, I can explain it to you all day.

But you're one of the smarter people on this forum. If you try (and I feel like instead you're trying not to) you can tell the difference between a cool character who isn't perfectly "good" all the time, and a character who makes a mistake, falls, suffers, learns from that suffering, and ultimately redeems themself.

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty for being a male. I'm male too, and I have no guilt. All I'm saying is that if I was a women, or a black man, or a gay man, or a black gay woman, I would want to see stories of people like me. As a white straight male, it would suck if every hero in every story was a female transvestite of color.

[feniin]

This is just one (currently eleven page) thread, of many, on a single 20-year old elf sim forum. There are many more, just here, and literally tens (hundreds?) of thousands of others out there on the web, all talking on this show.

So I guess what I meant was you can't do all this talking about a show on one hand and then pretend like "it's just some TV show, it doesn't matter for anything".

But again, why don't your daughters deserve to see redemption arcs of women on TV?

It wasn't a white Christian male doing all the winning so it ruined Throndor's night.

[maskedmelon]

You said you love your wife and daughters. Why don't they deserve to have heroes like them on TV with stories of redemption?

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

[Thorondor]

Look, we can get pedantic about what a redemption arc is if you really want Wonkie. I'm a Literature major, I can explain it to you all day.

But you're one of the smarter people on this forum. If you try (and I feel like instead you're trying not to) you can tell the difference between a cool character, and a character who falls, suffers, learns from that suffering, and ultimately redeems themself.

I believe Melissandre redeemed herself in the context of the story. Primarily subtextually, and through Davos' closing body language. Furthermore, in the context of her story, the redemption she seeks comes from the Lord of Light; not her adoptive father-judge-figure; the Onion Knight.

Theon, on the other hand, sought redemptions from the Starks. Bran merely aqcuiesced to that need knowing Theon's death was imminent.

[loramin]

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

Women don't want epic stories about other women having the full human experience (eg. having redemption stories)? You need to hang out with more women Melon.

[Patriam1066]

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

[DMN]

You all have a very strange way of looking at the world.

If this was a fantasy novel and the orcs were oppressing their slave elves, would you complain that the rebels are teaching the elves that they are inferior when they point out the fact that the elves are enslaved?

Women are inferior in our society. That's not even a debate, it's a fact. It used to be incredibly overt: they literally weren't allowed to vote for most of the history of democracy.

In the west, women were generally not given the right to vote because they were not equally holders of social responsibilities. The men had to go off and die in wars when called upon, not women. But your poor understanding of history is pretty irrelevant to this TV show.


But now it's a lot more subtle stuff ... like this article. If you're male, as I am, you can watch the most popular show on TV and see multiple stories about a man who fucks up, then becomes a better person and redeems himself. Similarly, you can see such stories repeated all over popular media (eg. Avengers). But if you're a women, you can't.

Have you ever considered that so many more of the male characters start off at the outset as giant screw ups/losers/assholes? Would GoT been better if all the men were ed starks/jon snows and all the women were cerseis but just one of those cerseis got a redemption plot? What do you think these feminazis would say to that show? It';s an AWFUL misogynistic shitshow; why are all the women are so HORRIBLE.Who cares if just one turned out to not be a terrible person. That's EXACTLY what they would fucking say.


Now you can't on one hand say that doesn't matter, and then at the same time talk about how significant Game of Thrones is for our culture. It matters that half our society doesn't get stories to look up to. And if you truly love your wives/daughters whoever you should want them to get to have characters they can look to in stories just like you have.


Feel free to preen yourself on twtter or wherever all the pseudo intellectual reprobates jack each other off these days, but don't expect me to join in on your circle jerk.


Please. Do you even understand what a redemption arc is? Hint: it's what Theo got (a story) and not what Melisandre got (nothing).

Hint: Melisandre was a lot more important player than Theon. And Melisandre got exaclty what she wanted and left on her own terms. Theon died a speed bump on someone else's plot highway. i don't think you've even read the books or watched the show, frankly.

[maskedmelon]

Women don't want epic stories about other women having the full human experience (eg. having redemption stories)? You need to hang out with more women Melon.

No, of course they want that. Try again ;)

[Thorondor]

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

Most women want to WIN the Hero. They don't want to be the hero. Last thing most women ever want to hear from a man/potential lover is "I need you".

Women need to be wanted. Men want to be needed.

Loramin, quit attempting to superimpose YOUR VIEWS onto all women, like you are someone qualified to speak on behalf of all of them.

Most of the "women" writing these junk articles are beastly cat ladies that haven't had a proper fucking their entire lives; primarily because of bitchmade men like yourself.

[Wonkie]

Redemption doesn't make sense for Mel, she's a religious zealot. Dany is a better redemption story, what with the crucifixions and burning those who challenge her rule.

e: it just sucks emilia clarke is a shitty actress so this probably wont happen

[loramin]

Redemption doesn't make sense for Mel, she's a religious zealot. Dany is a better redemption story, what with the crucifixions and burning those who challenge her rule.

But she never falls! You can't be redeemed if you don't fall.

[Thorondor]

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

Arya kills Cersei and tag teams The Mountain with Sandor.

Jon and Danaerys die in the final battle, and Tyrion+Sansa remarry and rule.

There's your a "woman is the hero" redemption arc for the entire story in synopsis since it so utterly fails to meet your vagina's expectations thus far.

[Wonkie]

But she never falls! You can't be redeemed if you don't fall.

Those are falls :) Her family was wiped out cuz her Dad burned/tortured people. She's repeating his mistakes.

[Patriam1066]

Arya kills Cersei and tag teams The Mountain with Sandor.

Jon and Danaerys die in the final battle, and Tyrion+Sansa remarry and rule.

There's your a "woman is the hero" redemption arc for the entire story in synopsis since it so utterly fails to meet your vagina's expectations thus far.

Who said I wanted a woman to be the hero

I want the entire main cast but Sam and Sansa to die because WTB Robb Stark

[Thorondor]

Those are falls :) Her family was wiped out cuz her Dad burned people. She's repeating his mistakes.

I don't see her or Jon winning in the end. The Targareans are the Normans. The Starks are the Yorks. The Lancasters won the War of the Roses. Tyrion wins in the end, with Sansa at his side making Tudor babies....muhfukka

[feniin]

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

They're important in the books. D&D didn't have any idea how to use them other than Oberyn.

[Wonkie]

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

I think your guy Euron sank them when Yara went with the boats to pick them up

[loramin]

Those are falls :) Her family was wiped out cuz her Dad burned/tortured people. She's repeating his mistakes.

Theon murdered children, then lost everything. All Khaleesi did was standard ruler stuff, and she never fell afterwards. If anything she "fell" far, far further earlier when she lost Khal Drogo, but that wasn't because of her failings as a character.

For redemption arcs you need to think of like Zuko in Avatar, or again just look at Theon.

I think your guy Euron sank them when Yara went with the boats to pick them up

I strongly suspect the Dornish will be the "cavalry" that shows up and surprisingly saves the heroes in one of the final episodes ... mainly because that's the only way one can even kind of justify that horrible Dorne storyline.

[Patriam1066]

Theon murdered children, then lost everything. All Khaleesi did was standard ruler stuff, and she never fell afterwards. If anything she "fell" far, far further earlier when she lost Khal Drogo, but that wasn't because of her failings as a character.

For redemption arcs you need to think of like Zuko in Avatar, or again just look at Theon.



I strongly suspect the Dornish will be the "cavalry" that shows up and surprisingly saves the heroes in one of the final episodes ... mainly because that's the only way one can even kind of justify that horrible Dorne storyline.

She burned Sam’s brother alive for the crime of being an impetuous and loyal youth

She’s her father. You’re just a Targaryen lover

[DMN]

Theon murdered children, then lost everything. All Khaleesi did was standard ruler stuff, and she never fell afterwards. If anything she "fell" far, far further earlier when she lost Khal Drogo, but that wasn't because of her failings as a character.


Before even the tarly family BBQ, she did burn alive that shaman who was actually pretty poorly written in the TV show. in the books it's much more clear that the blood magic was an accident (essentially jorah's fault). The TV show makes it sound like she was plotting the whole time. Drogo died because he was a moron. The kid died because jorah made a mistake and dany wouldn't accept the fate she was delivered.

Then you have the noble(s) in mereen who she killed without any evidence they had done anything wrong.

Danny has been slowly falling down the whole series.

[Thorondor]

Well she did burn alive that shaman who was actually pretty poorly written in the TV show. in the books it's much more clear that the blood magic was an accident (essentially jorah's fault). The TV show makes it sound like she was plotting the whole time. Drogo died because he was a moron. The kid died because jorah made a mistake and dany wouldn't accept the fate she was delivered.

Then you have the noble(s) in mereen who she killed without any evidence they had done anything wrong.

Danny has been slowly falling down the whole series.

And, she's totally trying to steal her nephew's throne.

[loramin]

She burned Sam’s brother alive for the crime of being an impetuous and loyal youth

She’s her father. You’re just a Targaryen lover


Right, she did bad stuff. But she never fell as a result, and thus she can't be redeemed.

To be a "redemption arc" in the literary sense you have to have a character who falls, morally (usually in the story itself, but it could be before the story starts). They have to go from that "fallen" state to a "redeemed" state, by accomplishing some heroic task(s).

Theo didn't just do bad stuff. He went from being a decent guy to murdering children, and "fell" to become both symbolically and literally less than a human being as a result (ie. Reek). But he accomplished several heroic acts (eg. rescuing his sister, and most recently buying Bran an extra five seconds) which ultimately led to him no longer being fallen and instead being redeemed. No one has to say "you're redeemed now" for it to be a redemption arc, but the fact that they are redeemed has to be signified, and in this case the show's writers decided to literally have Bran say it.

Notice the arc in all that. Theo falls (morally), completes heroic tasks, then is redeemed. Neither Melisandre or Danny has that, because neither ever falls. Melisandre gets a little bummed after her man dies, but she never once is like "I did anything wrong". Then she shows up at the end and starts some fires: cool but not a redemption because she never went from being a bad person to being a good person. And then afterward the story certainly didn't signify that she ended up good (eg. if she had died in a crucifix position, for instance, that would be a standard literary symbol of redemption).

Danny does some bad stuff, but it's par for the course for her: killing the fat guy's family wasn't really any different than crucifying those slavers. She's not going from good person, to bad person, back to good; she's the same (relatively one-dimensional) morally gray person throughout.

Danny has been slowly falling down the whole series.

I think you could make a case for that (though again I see her as remaining the same throughout the story), but if so it's still not a redemption arc unless she dramatically changes who she is to become a "good" person (with narrative signification of as much just before she dies) in the last three episodes. And given that even recently:

she's totally trying to steal her nephew's throne.

I think any such arc would be very short and unsatisfying.

But again, I don't think that's her story. I think her story is all about her build up (and up, and up) in spite of her flaws ... leading to an inevitable epic (and final/ending) fall because of them. But given the way things are going, she'll probably get a "happily ever after" ending instead, along with like half the cast (why didn't more people die in this episode?!?)

[Thorondor]

Right, she did bad stuff. But she never fell as a result, and thus she can't be redeemed.

To be a "redemption arc" in the literary sense you have to have a character who falls, morally (usually in the story itself, but it could be before the story starts). They have to go from that "fallen" state to a "redeemed" state, by accomplishing some heroic task(s).

Theo didn't just do bad stuff. He went from being a decent guy to murdering children, and "fell" to become both symbolically and literally less than a human being as a result (ie. Reek). But he accomplished several heroic acts (eg. rescuing his sister, and most recently buying Bran an extra five seconds) which ultimately led to him no longer being fallen and instead being redeemed. No one has to say "you're redeemed now" for it to be a redemption arc, but the fact that they are redeemed has to be signified, and in this case the show's writers decided to literally have Bran say it.

Notice the arc in all that. Theo falls (morally), completes heroic tasks, then is redeemed. Neither Melisandre or Danny has that, because neither ever falls. Melisandre gets a little bummed after her man dies, but she never once is like "I did anything wrong". Then she shows up at the end and starts some fires: cool but not a redemption because she never went from being a bad person to being a good person. And then afterward the story certainly didn't signify that she ended up good (eg. if she had died in a crucifix position, for instance, that would be a standard literary symbol of redemption).

Danny does some bad stuff, but it's par for the course for her: killing the fat guy's family wasn't really any different than crucifying those slavers. She's not going from good person, to bad person, back to good; she's the same (relatively one-dimensional) morally gray person throughout.



I think you could make a case for that (though again I see her as remaining the same throughout the story), but if so it's still not a redemption arc unless she dramatically changes who she is to become a "good" person (with narrative signification of as much just before she dies) in the last three episodes. And given that even recently:



I think any such arc would be very short and unsatisfying.

But again, I don't think that's her story. I think her story is all about her build up (and up, and up) in spite of her flaws ... leading to an inevitable epic (and final/ending) fall because of them. But given the way things are going, she'll probably get a "happily ever after" ending instead, along with like half the cast (why didn't more people die in this episode?!?)
I'm just glad Jorah died. That guy's such a fucking douchebag pussywhoop

[loramin]

I'm just glad Jorah died. That guy's such a fucking douchebag pussywhoop

At least someone did. But when a fucking apocalypse of zombies overruns your castle in Game of Thrones (the same show that gave us the Red Wedding), there should be a lot more significant dead characters.

/rant off

[Thorondor]

At least someone did. But when a fucking apocalypse of zombies overruns your castle in Game of Thrones (the same show that gave us the Red Wedding), there should be a lot more significant dead characters.

/rant off

I wonder if Sam is gonna take his sword back, now. The entire series is Sam's redemption arc, fat little coward no more! He beast mode now!

[Wonkie]

im glad theon dead

[Thorondor]

im glad theon dead

Yep. We laughed when he charged the night king and his entire band of white walkers after that atta boy.

[DMN]

Theon, I'm glad you are a moron. I'll sit safely over here waiting for Rey Mary Sue Stark to lay down the smack because girl powah and sheet.

[NegaStoat]

I wrote earlier in this thread that I enjoyed the episode and the writing due to my ability to turn my brain off for a show that really doesn't take itself seriously. No one could ever enjoy a Star Trek movie if they're unable to do this.

That said, I re watched the battle and considered how many incredibly dumb things were depicted in the story, ranging from the dothraki being thrown away into the darkness to fight blind against a total foe count they couldn't see (seriously guys, chuck some flaming rocks from the trebuchets out there first so they can at least see what's up as they go in)... To the unsullied standing braced and ready, as part of the plan, IN FRONT of the pits instead of the huge moat / pit being in front of their location instead... seriously... To Bran not once Warging out to take control of a Dragon and do something stupid neat with it, which is more or less the reason why a lot of folks dialed in to watch the show in the first place.

And then there's the whole business of Bran being used as bait for the Night King and I'm left wonder, as God as my witness, as to WHAT their plan was for actually taking the big bad out in setting Bran up in that isolated location in the first place. Yes, Arya's teleport "hah, gotcha!" stab was a complete asspull, and no, it was not a part of anyone's plan. Not even remotely.

I enjoyed elements of the episode. I fully agree I would have enjoyed it more if the script had been given some more review for making plans and reactions of the situation more realistic. And yeah, on the other hand the fight between Oberyn Martell and the Mountain had real effort put in for a realistic duel and was a case of the show taking itself seriously so... Maybe turning off my brain shouldn't have been required.

[Solist]

Second sons vs golden company.

Go.

[DMN]

Second sons vs golden company.

Go.

Don't forget the sand sluts. Moar Vagina. Moar gurl powah.

[loramin]

And yeah, on the other hand the fight between Oberyn Martell and the Mountain had real effort put in for a realistic duel and was a case of the show taking itself seriously so... Maybe turning off my brain shouldn't have been required.

You nailed it with this sentence.

There is such a clear difference in quality (ie. in the need to turn your brain off to enjoy the show) between the earlier seasons and the last two. The show was so great before precisely because it was great on so many levels; it wasn't just a "stop thinking, it's Harry Potter/The Hobbit/yet another fantasy genre" show.

Obviously a huge, huge part of it is that the earlier shows had GRRM's writing behind them, but I also feel like the show's writing team has to have changed significantly on these last two seasons. Even setting aside the major plot elements, just the basic writing of the show was an order of magnitude better before.

[Bazia]

when George is writing the point is to utilize as little trope as possible and "vulnerable" characters that can die at a moment's notice, when the show runners are writing it is to include as many tropes as possible with plot armor everywhere

lets hope george can finish the story, although it's looking somewhat doubtful at the moment

[d3r14k]

I have a feeling GRRM will drop a release date on Winds of Winter when Game of Thrones wraps up here in a couple weeks. Granted, this is a lot of tinfoil, especially considering it has been like seven or eight years since his last ASOIAF book dropped.

http://fortune.com/2019/04/11/game-of-thrones-winds-of-winter-release-timeline/

This bit especially:

With the final episodes coming, there’s new speculation that he’s finished Winds, based on small hints like his unveiling of a new headshot and a friend saying the writer’s schedule has surprisingly cleared. (Martin’s publishers would not comment about the book or their general plans to Fortune.) But if Martin really is done and the manuscript is turned in to his publisher, how quickly would fans be able to get it?

[Uuruk]

Hate to see another dragon die Jon kill Dany and bran become king. What a shit show of writing. I guess seeing Dany go on a rampage because they kill rhaegal and missandei really fits the mad queen narrative but still shitty writing.

God bless can't wait for prequel.

[azeth]

Hate to see another dragon die Jon kill Dany and bran become king. What a shit show of writing. I guess seeing Dany go on a rampage because they kill rhaegal and missandei really fits the mad queen narrative but still shitty writing.

God bless can't wait for prequel.

feel like jaime will kill dany

[Uuruk]

feel like jaime will kill dany

Naw, Jon kills her

[Wonkie]

lookin like daenerys will need a redemption story!! in your face loramin!

[azeth]

Best episode of this season so far.

[Solist]

Great episode. Still poor compared to better ones of seasons past.

Jamie to kill dany, gendry to take throne, Arya to kill the mountain after mountain kills hound and grey worm. Jon to do fuck all. Gendry kills ironborn fella with a hammer. Jon goes home on his new dragon. Qyburn escapes and then gets killed by Tyrion who gets shot out of a cannon.

[DMN]

Like I said, I think the whole series has been seeing dany fall down. And now the tally:
Loses Viserion
Loses Rheagal
Loses the closest thing to a father she ever had.
Loses one of her closest friends/advisors.
Loses most of her army
Loses her legitimate claim to the thrown
And she might lose her only romantic love she ever had.
And I think she's also started to see she's always going to be seen as something as an outsider of westeros culture. She'll never be seen as a liberating, legitimate queen but just a bloody dictator.


Something to keep in mind though is that she said from the outset she wanted to smash the wheel.(AKA "the game of thrones"). I suspect she turns baddie but also completes her mission, though I'm curious myself on how she'd smash the wheel. Destorying the iron throne doesn't mean shit. A new one will be built.

[Patriam1066]

lookin like daenerys will need a redemption story!! in your face loramin!

Loramin is a lit major (brain dead)

HTH!

I really think Sansa comes out of the carnage and rules Westeros. I also think Martin is enough of a dick to have her marry Gendry, and have this saga end with a Baratheon / Stark marriage (like Robert wanted from the beginning). A lame world without dragons, magic, or heroes.

I did actually enjoy this episode, despite magical invisible dragon killing 100% accuracy fleet.

[FatherSioux]

Why can't Bran warn anyone of 10+ giant ships?

Why can't a dragon who can fly 10,000 ft + get perspective on a battle field and see a GIANT FLEET OF GIANT SHIPS?

Man this season is trash.

[Uuruk]

Why can't Bran warn anyone of 10+ giant ships?

Why can't a dragon who can fly 10,000 ft + get perspective on a battle field and see a GIANT FLEET OF GIANT SHIPS?

Man this season is trash.

Season is shit. Like how are you going to let bran be the king when it's all said and done. Makes 0 sense and is dumb IDC.

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/Pcji4lY.jpg

[Uuruk]

https://i.imgur.com/Pcji4lY.jpg

Accurate

[AenorVZ]

Man this season is trash.

[DMN]

I think every reasonable person knew that there wasn't going to be any legit ways to take down the dragons that wouldn't seem completely contrived. They could have used the books and utilized the dragon horn that Euron actually recovered from old valyria. Even then, some would still complain.

[mizzbiscuits]

I think the writing is evident that you need more than 6 episodes to wrap the series up. While I’m still enjoying myself, I don’t think they’re doing the show the justice it deserves.

[Wonkie]

"aria" is the best character in "A Song of Ice and Fire"

:)

[AenorVZ]

Show is trash.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hbo-confirms-game-thrones-coffee-cameo-was-mistake-n1002586

[FatherSioux]

I think the writing is evident that you need more than 6 episodes to wrap the series up. While I’m still enjoying myself, I don’t think they’re doing the show the justice it deserves.

[Hibbs]

https://i.imgur.com/jTTZIiY.png

[loramin]

lookin like daenerys will need a redemption story!! in your face loramin!

LOL, yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen :rolleyes:

[Evia]

Thoughts on how the last two episodes will go down?


-I think Dany goes darkside and Jon has to kill her OR Dany kills Jon when she goes darkside and Arya and/or Sansa kill Dany as revenge.

-Jon, Gendry or Sansa will sit on the throne in the end

-The Mountain VS The Hound will go down with The Mountain eventually killing The Hound and Arya avenging The Hound by slaying The Mountain. Fire will be involved somehow.

-Jaime is going to look like he's a bad guy again but at the last moment he will redeem himself either by killing Cersei or setting something up to help Jon and friends.

-Bronn is going to get killed but only after he kills either Tyrion or Jaime (still not sure which one he kills, but he will kill one of them I think)

Would love to hear other theories.

[Thorondor]

While the rebellions lacked much central coordination, in the chaos the exiled Henry Tudor, son of Henry VI's half-brother Edmund Earl of Richmond, and the leader of the Lancastrian (Lannister) cause, returned to the country from exile in Brittany at the head of an army of combined Breton and English forces. Richard avoided direct conflict with Henry until the Battle of Bosworth Field on 22 August 1485. After Richard III was killed and his forces defeated at Bosworth Field, Henry assumed the throne as Henry VII and married Elizabeth of York (Stark), the eldest daughter and heir of Edward IV(Ned), thereby uniting the two claims. The House of Tudor ruled the Kingdom of England until 1603, with the death of Elizabeth I, granddaughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York.

Tyrion and Sansa rule.

[branamil]

Seems like they are setting up Sansa to rule with everyone else self destructing. I really hope the leaks are fake though because if they're true then the story is horrible.

[DinoTriz2]

Harry Potter will show up for the final episode, according to Buzzfeed

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/9aNgc3R.jpg

[mizzbiscuits]

Intense

[azeth]

Another 0/10 episode

[Wonkie]

Another 0/10 episode

it was a 5/7 episode. deriak where's my upboat please??

[Robot]

Another 0/10 episode

I thought it was good for once. What did you want? lollipops and rainbows and everybody kisses and makes up with a gm enforced rotation for who gets to sit on the iron throne each week?

[SamwiseRed]

havent seen a single episode of this series. no regrets.

[Wonkie]

I thought it was good for once. What did you want? lollipops and rainbows and everybody kisses and makes up with a gm enforced rotation for who gets to sit on the iron throne each week?

It was good. The presumptive rulers are dead and Dany will get popped in the head with an arrow next week. King Aejon inc.

[pijan]

Another 0/10 episode

Too high

[d3r14k]

it was a 5/7 episode. deriak where's my upboat please??

Upboat intensifies.

Really though, Azeth? 0/10? We got what is arguably the best city sack scene with all its brutality in silver screen history and 0/10? We got Cleganebowl. We got full mad queen. We got betrayals and an execution.

I thought it was awesome. How the hell is this gonna pan out from here? Jon and Arya are incredibly compromised in regard to Dany's rule. No idea what will happen next episode.

[Uuruk]

Hate to see another dragon die Jon kill Dany and bran become king. What a shit show of writing. I guess seeing Dany go on a rampage because they kill rhaegal and missandei really fits the mad queen narrative but still shitty writing.

God bless can't wait for prequel.

[DMN]

I thought this was actually the best of this season so far, even though most of it was pretty much predicted by me already.

[Hibbs]

I was sad there was no armored dragon fleet LOL def a good episode. Its crazy to think they are ganna wrap everything up in 1 more episode......

Fingers crossed for a surprised last episode?!?!

[Patriam1066]

Why is Arya such a pussy now. Same question about Tyrion

The hound saved that episode. He’s such a good fucking actor. You could see the rage in that expression when he saw Gregor

[azeth]

The hound and zombie mountain fight was extremely boring, though ended poetically.

[Vaildez]

I thought this was actually the best of this season so far, even though most of it was pretty much predicted by me already.

I am in the same boat... It was mostly predictable but my favorite episode so far. It was honestly everything the Battle of Winterfel should have been.

[Vaildez]

So Gendry is the heir to the iron throne if both Jon and Dany die... I sure hope that doesn't happen....

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Holy shit this season sucks cock... 7 seasons of character development for what?

[Uuruk]

So Gendry is the heir to the iron throne if both Jon and Dany die... I sure hope that doesn't happen....

No, Jon kills Dany and chooses to go back to the black and Bran is voted the new king. Hooray show sucks dick.

[Vaildez]

No, Jon kills Dany and chooses to go back to the black and Bran is voted the new king. Hooray show sucks dick.

That sounds even worse... If Bran or Arya somehow end up on the throne it would be really stupid.

[Uuruk]

That sounds even worse... If Bran or Arya somehow end up on the throne it would be really stupid.

Exactly. This shows been so bad this year. Honestly the music has been the best part.

[Wonkie]

sure could go for a redemption story about now :o

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Gendry will be King and Arya will be Queen and give him many children.

[PieOats]

sure could go for a redemption story about now :o

maybe Dany will sacrifice herself to her dagrona to save [people], huh?

also, listening to a super catchy kpop tune on le radio atm. It's all like "oh muh muh my! Oh muh muh my! kirao la my blah blah blah." Good stuff ��

[Thorondor]

sure could go for a redemption story about now :o

You're a good Dog, Wonkie.

[gummab]

The hound and zombie mountain fight was extremely boring, though ended poetically.

The hound vs Brienne was epic,this was as limp as a 80yrs old man middle stick.

[d3r14k]

The hound vs Brienne was epic,this was as limp as a 80yrs old man middle stick.

You're right, this isn't epic at all. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you lot can't enjoy anything.

https://i.imgur.com/dkVMB8H.png

[Whoop]

I hope the true Night King walks into Kings Landing and raise 1+ mil toasted zombies and Cersei as Night Queen so she can fuck'em all up good

[gummab]

You're right, this isn't epic at all. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you lot can't enjoy anything.

https://i.imgur.com/dkVMB8H.png

I enjoy a lot of things. Plotline,good storytelling and erm fights that don't rely to heavy on crappy CGI.


Just go back watch hound vs Brienne, ears being bit off,classic kick in the balls down and dirty fight scene and its best, where hound vs the zombie to me looked more like a fight scene from the hobbit.

But each to his own if you like it you like it. I don't.

[NegaStoat]

I can enjoy a lot of things, but enjoyment comes from the feeling of satisfaction of expectations being met as a viewer at the price of your buying into the rules and limitations of an offered setting of a show. Episodes 3 & 5 of season 8 pretty much look at the rules that are established from seasons 1-4 and said "ah, fuggit."

This is ranging from armor ceasing to work against wooden weapons, characters in the story seemingly teleporting to new locations at convenient times for no good reason (Euron is a much bigger offender of this over Arya) to white walkers going into a hot blaze like dry kindling at the mere touch of fire... until they need to build a bridge of corpses over a blazing moat... god I could go on.

I can enjoy the show as simple brainless entertainment but I stop respecting a show very quickly when the writers can't be assed to look at the years of the same production of things that came before and stick with what's been established.

At the end of things I can say "yes" that I'm glad that HBO made the show at all and carried it through to an ending rather than it dying part way through. That's even more annoying. I have my doubts that time will treat this series well with reviews involving anything from seasons 5-8.

[deezy]

The extra year they took for the latest season I had originally hoped they used to get their writing in order, but now in retrospect I believe they used that extra year to complete all the rendering. i am disappoint.

[azeth]

You're right, this isn't epic at all. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you lot can't enjoy anything.

https://i.imgur.com/dkVMB8H.png

The scenery and shooting was fantastic, but the fight was really mundane.

[Patriam1066]

The extra year they took for the latest season I had originally hoped they used to get their writing in order, but now in retrospect I believe they used that extra year to complete all the rendering. i am disappoint.

Good post

[Hibbs]

---Episode Summary---
https://i.imgur.com/712dyFa.jpg

[Lune]

Meh this reminds me of all the bitching about the final episodes of breaking bad which remains some of the greatest tv ever made.

People always gonna hate on what's popular because they think that makes their opinions interesting.

GoT was a fun show.

[Wonkie]

lmao the book

i'm really stupid for ever watching this shitty show

[White_knight]

S8 was shit outside of a few highlights. Let's be honest with ourselves.

Just finished ep6 of s8 and was looking at my phone constantly checking how much longer it was going to drag on. Great show though overall pardoning S8.

Now if only some people took on a truely great book series, say Ring Wars Saga or "The Magician".

[Thorondor]

S8 was shit outside of a few highlights. Let's be honest with ourselves.

Just finished ep6 of s8 and was looking at my phone constantly checking how much longer it was going to drag on. Great show though overall pardoning S8.

Now if only some people took on a truely great book series, say Ring Wars Saga or "The Magician".
Wheel of Time

[Overweight]

Why the hell does Bran need a Master of whisperers? It’s like they’re not even trying anymore.

[Iksar Master Race]

This is what happens when Hollywood shitlords run out of source material.

[Lojik]

This is what happens when Hollywood shitlords run out of source material.

Martin probably realized his ending is shit so he let hbo take the fall. This is why he's not finishing the books

[Iksar Master Race]

Martin probably realized his ending is shit so he let hbo take the fall. This is why he's not finishing the books

I wouldn't be surprised. He is very fat and old and could die at any moment.

[NegaStoat]

Nah. I think Martin had 6 or 8 different endings and paths to them for his books. More than likely he gave some suggestions as to what he had in mind but none of them were the real deal. I think it was his intent to keep his book plots separate from HBO's production.

Anyway, it's over. It's an ending to the series, I guess. I'm sad that some monkey business like Bran standing up out of the wheel chair and walking off didn't happen.

[Bardp1999]

The problem I have is how the show just smashed the fast forward button. Overall it's great and I really enjoyed this season as well... it just all feels rushed. This season should have been longer or even 2 seasons. I get it's expensive to make. All this QQing is disgusting. The show was great.

[Ruhtar]

Overall it's great and I really enjoyed this season as well....

All this QQing is disgusting. The show was great.

Lol

[azeth]

previous 2 episodes scored a collective -1/10.

final episode 11/10

[Patriam1066]

previous 2 episodes scored a collective -1/10.

final episode 11/10

Yeah I loved Arya the sailor...

[DMN]

Yar har fiddly dee, anime ninja pirates are alright with me

[gummab]

Where did the Dothraki go?

[NegaStoat]

Lol

Yeah, pretty much.
(Gray Worm) "I have 1000's of unsullied that I can command to attack if we do not receive justice for the blood of my queen who feed me and 1000's of other slaves. But since you have promised to send Jon to the Wall we will just get on our ships and sail away and trust your word on it. Oh, the hundreds of dothraki that survived will party with us too on the trip. Later."

I could go on but there's little point to it. Quality in the writing was not this season's strong point.

[DMN]

Oh i don't know. There was only about 1000-1500 troops you see in the video. And we have no idea what percent of them were northerners/wildlings, all of which will fight on behalf of jon. Do you really want to be stuck in a foreign land under siege when you can't even speak the language? And the dothraki wil be killing each other to determine who is next to lead.

[Maliant]

Expectations were just too high for them to ever please everyone.

I always expected Dany to unleash her inner destructive Targaryen side.

It is only fitting that the most noble and yet most fucked over House in the series, House Stark end up winning the game of thrones in every respect.

John leading the free men, Sansa the North, Bran the rest of the seven kingdoms and Arya exploring the rest of the world. Ned Stark did not die in Vain. Houses Targaryen and Lannister get fucked.

[feniin]

I bet DMN's panties were getting wet when Dany was doing her Nuremberg Rally speech.

[Llandris]

Jon got the shaft

[DMN]

there were about 10-12 troops visible rest were animated but good try squirrel boy

You just said you don't even watch it, dipshit. How the fuck would you know?

[Patriam1066]

Iron throne becomes hot wheels

Garbage

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/OQF6Ola.jpg

[Iksar Master Race]

https://i.imgur.com/OQF6Ola.jpg

:D

For real

[Bardp1999]

Season 8 would have been one of the best seasons in the entire series if they just slowed it down and spread it out over a regular season length of 10 or 12. There was NO WHERE NEAR enough build up for the Mad Queen. It happened out of no where. The story is great, just poorly executed by HBO.

The hurried nature of season 8 was it's only fault IMO.

[Whoop]

Now if only some people took on a truely great book series, say Ring Wars Saga or "The Magician".

Whats this?

[Evia]

Season 8 would have been one of the best seasons in the entire series if they just slowed it down and spread it out over a regular season length of 10 or 12. There was NO WHERE NEAR enough build up for the Mad Queen. It happened out of no where. The story is great, just poorly executed by HBO.

The hurried nature of season 8 was it's only fault IMO.

I actually totally agree...

[Tim Nollan]

I adore GoT!
But the final season is not my favorite. I think that 1-4 seasons were more eventful.

[Patriam1066]

The brevity made it worse, but it still sucked. Jon should’ve said “I’m going to the wall” then just switched up the incest to Stark, married Sansa, called drogon using the horn from the books, conquered the seven kingdoms, made anyone but fucking Bronn lord of highgarden, and made Samwell hand of the king. Also, Bran should’ve been rolled off a cliff for being useless at reconnaissance throughout season 8

Also, there was a sex scene with Brienne. PASS

[Ahldagor]

Stark family rules it all since it was Ned's head that sparked the game.

[Lojik]

I think they all should have died at winterfell battle, then we see cersei/golden company v. Army of the dead, and mountain v. Night king.

[azeth]

I think they all should have died at winterfell battle, then we see cersei/golden company v. Army of the dead, and mountain v. Night king.

I like this. Have everyone but Jon and Arya die. Dany's death leaves Drogon under Jon's control.

Jon and Drogon destroy the army of the dead at the cost of both their lives.

Arya is presumed to die in the battle but uses her faceless ability to get close to Cersei then executes her.

Credits.

[Ahldagor]

I think they all should have died at winterfell battle, then we see cersei/golden company v. Army of the dead, and mountain v. Night king.

Would a Night King ending be the same as a Danny T in the long run?

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/fFTNXwv.png

#SexStrike

[dudette]

remember how "Winter is Coming" was a slogan for like 10 years and then winter turned out to be a 15 minute monster movie

at least we got this (https://www.urbandecay.com/game-of-thrones-eyeshadow-palette-urban-decay/ud939.html)

https://i.imgur.com/b97W9Vz.png

[loramin]

worst show ever

Look the last season (and arguably the last couple of seasons) have been garbage, but let's not get crazy.

The first few seasons of the show were amazing, and no matter how bad the end was, GoT will still be leagues ahead of hundreds of other TV shows that didn't just have bad endings ... they were bad throughout.

[Evia]

Look the last season (and arguably the last couple of seasons) have been garbage, but let's not get crazy.

The first few seasons of the show were amazing, and no matter how bad the end was, GoT will still be leagues ahead of hundreds of other TV shows that didn't just have bad endings ... they were bad throughout.

yeah the only other TV show I can think of in recent memory that even compares in quality would be Breaking Bad. GoT even with all the warts of Seasons 7 and 8 is still in a class above the rest.

[Zuranthium]

remember how "Winter is Coming" was a slogan for like 10 years and then winter turned out to be a 15 minute monster movie

This is one of the many things the last season got horrifically wrong. There was so much complexity and buildup with regards to "the great war" and the origin of the Night King, of Fire vs Ice, and maybe even Gods warring against each other...and in the end it just gets reduced to a single battle that is contained in the North. It's like if Lord of the Rings had ended at the battle for Helm's Deep.

[Iksar Master Race]

Holy shit... someone put more effort into this video than HBO put into all of Season 8!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nws1JQHBlJA

[Fifield]

Holy shit... someone put more effort into this video than HBO put into all of Season 8!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nws1JQHBlJA

lol this was awesome, the hodor at the end was key

[Wonkie]

kit harington went to mental hospital bc nobody liked the ending

lmao

[DinoTriz2]

Dumbledore fucks the Prince of Persia