Has a second boxing server ever been proposed/considered?

[Ozst]

I for one dont really have the time anymore to sink 2 hours into finding a good group in kunark, and then spending 6-8 hours to make that group worth it. I also like the challenge of playing multiple chars (without the use of MQ of course). Was a server with 2-3 chars per person ever proposed, considered or denied at any point?

[guineapig]

nope

[Sephrana]

As nice as it would be to be able to box since I have access to a druid and could easily powerlevel my weak stupid butt out of the 30's - I am glad there is no boxing allowed on this server. It forces people to interact with others and think of all of the camps that would be on lockdown with people boxing and power leveling.

*trips over the beaten dead horse on her way out of the thread*

[Hobby]

There are other servers that allow boxing, infact 99% of the others allow it.


P99, however, will not. This server is our main goal, releasing another one just to allow boxing takes time money and resources we could be using on furthing our own main goal.

Maybe one day Rogean and nilbog might consider it, but i would not count on it for a long time.

[casdegere]

It has and the devs have smartly decided to not go that route. They wanted a community, a game filled with 1 toon and 1 player. From my experience having 2 and 3 toons per person, forget getting a camp at that point. With 1 player/1 toon, you are forced to be productive and respectful. Well, not forced. There are lots of places to solo and lots of solo classes.

I do however, feel your pain. It can be difficult to find a good group but you can also help people that you group with get better. Not by being mean but by being supportive and helpful. To just sit in a bad group and do nothing or to see people making the same mistakes over and over without saying anything...

[Lazortag]

Just roll a solo class.

[Messianic]

Ozst, what class do you play?

[Kika Maslyaka]

This question has been asked before like AT LEAST 1 ZILLION TIMES - can we make a sticky saying something like:

"The Sun will fall onto Earth, before Boxing will be allowed here!"

[Daldaen]

I still fail to see how 2 boxing is disallowed but selling accounts for platinum is allowed.

[nilbog]

Well I've answered this far too many times to do it again. A forum search for 'boxing', by me, should yield all types of results.

Daldaen, your argument(?) makes no sense. Completely unrelated topics.

[Daldaen]

Well I've answered this far too many times to do it again. A forum search for 'boxing', by me, should yield all types of results.

Daldaen, your argument(?) makes no sense. Completely unrelated topics.

Not related but both against the 'play as a community' mentality. You want people to interact with others but selling characters for plat just encourages people to PL their friends alt account to 50 and sell it.

[Asher]

Not related but both against the 'play as a community' mentality. You want people to interact with others but selling characters for plat just encourages people to PL their friends alt account to 50 and sell it.

One also eats up a lot more server resources. ie: Costs GMs more money and the other has no adverse affect.

[Lazortag]

Not related but both against the 'play as a community' mentality. You want people to interact with others but selling characters for plat just encourages people to PL their friends alt account to 50 and sell it.

It's not just an issue of forced interaction - people are allowed to solo if they want after all. The issue is about actively impeding the ability of others to group where they want, not to mention utterly destroying the raid scene. I know that the raid scene already isn't perfect, but imagine how silly it would be if guilds could legitimately six-box on raids.

As for making another server for boxers, if the devs feel it's not worth their time, that's enough of a reason not to support it.

[Daeminff7]

I mean just look at the other servers populations that do allow boxing... even with the boxes they don't come close to P1999. And in this day and age, it is a lot easier to make friends with people in-game who can help you out I feel - hell, just post a LFG in the general chat on this very forum and you will probably get some responses from people who play in your timezone/free-time. Either way, it makes it feel more like what I remember playing back in ~2000 than any other emu server :)

[Daldaen]

It's not just an issue of forced interaction - people are allowed to solo if they want after all. The issue is about actively impeding the ability of others to group where they want, not to mention utterly destroying the raid scene. I know that the raid scene already isn't perfect, but imagine how silly it would be if guilds could legitimately six-box on raids.

As for making another server for boxers, if the devs feel it's not worth their time, that's enough of a reason not to support it.

Fair, just limit to 2 box then? 6 boxing is lame everywhere, when you have a self sufficient group and can poopsock the most desired camps by yourself. But I don't think a 2 box of 2 level 60s could hold crypt or disco or myncoids or any of the desired camps from Kunark that a solo class can't already.

[Vidar]

No boxing ever. and if they made a second server thats going to split the population and ruin the whole thing. Its just an overall bad idea.

[casdegere]

I don't think he has really thought it through. He is having difficulty finding groups...today. With boxing allowed, later he will most likely complain about not being able to find a place to XP or never getting a camp he has been after for the past month. It can be boring to only have one toon and camp stuff. You have more to do if 2 boxing and you can single handedly camp certain places. But so can everyone else...

[saucer]

Fair, just limit to 2 box then? 6 boxing is lame everywhere, when you have a self sufficient group and can poopsock the most desired camps by yourself. But I don't think a 2 box of 2 level 60s could hold crypt or disco or myncoids or any of the desired camps from Kunark that a solo class can't already.

How about we just keep it at 1 box per person and call it a day?

[baalzy]

If 2 boxing were allowed, I'd do it.

But I'm also okay with it not being possible and it's not so important to me that I'd be willing to fight for it.

[Rasah]

Fair, just limit to 2 box then? 6 boxing is lame everywhere, when you have a self sufficient group and can poopsock the most desired camps by yourself. But I don't think a 2 box of 2 level 60s could hold crypt or disco or myncoids or any of the desired camps from Kunark that a solo class can't already.Think of all of the boring camps that would be perma-locked. You could drop your 2nd box on the AC spawn point, and lock it up forever. You wouldn't do this if you only had 1 box, because you aren't really playing the game, and that would get boring. But you could plop a 50 mage on it, and never move.

Or the Bilge spawn. Or one of the VP key mobs. Or any greenie named camp. You get the idea.

[Ledzepp02]

denied

About sums it up.

[Dantes]

I for one dont really have the time anymore to sink 2 hours into finding a good group in kunark, and then spending 6-8 hours to make that group worth it.

Then there's plenty of other games you can play that require less time. Like tiddly-winks.

[toddfx]

Think of all of the boring camps that would be perma-locked. You could drop your 2nd box on the AC spawn point, and lock it up forever. You wouldn't do this if you only had 1 box, because you aren't really playing the game, and that would get boring. But you could plop a 50 mage on it, and never move.

Or the Bilge spawn. Or one of the VP key mobs. Or any greenie named camp. You get the idea.

This.

Aside from it being the wishes of the devs, this is the best argument against two-boxing i've seen yet. It would be impossible to compete against, essentially making boxing a REQUIREMENT to hold any rare camps. That would be pretty ridiculous, considering all the poop socking an that already goes on.

[Uthgaard]

Has a way to search the forums for topics that have been done to death ever been proposed/considered?

Oh wait.

[Odeseus]

Has a way to search the forums for topics that have been done to death ever been proposed/considered?

Oh wait.

But I'm lazy. I don't want to do any work for myself, so I'll take less than a minute to make a post and let other people do the work of rehashing the arguments.

Honestly, the best way to deal with these sorts of things is to troll them, not give any real answers and force them to use search and do research on their own, if they really want to answer. Anyone taking the time to explain the situation (AGAIN) is really not helping.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I agree =) next time someone asks for boxing options, just tell him that boxing is already available, and to activate it, he needs to flash his Mb bios with version from 2003 =)

[Ozst]

Ok, lets take a look at this.

1. I searched the forums for boxing and found 100 rants and flames arguements and other random bullshit, nothing in sight anywhere near what i was asking.

2. 30% of people are retarded on this post, im not talking about allowing boxing on p99, but making a secondary server with a max of 2-3 per person for people like me, which would obviously have a lot less population because most people would (obviously from the flames in this post) play on p99 where boxing is not allowed (but happens all the time).

3. yes there are other server that allow boxing, thanks for this obvious comment, im very aware. but none of them are as perfected as p99.

4. it was a question, to the people flaming this.... youre a bunch of morons. Thanks for the devs for answering my question btw.

5. play solo classes? thanks for the suggestion but ive done that, on live and p99, and most solo classes are not wanted in groups therefore i cant get anything done alone aside from level, and im also not wanted anymore.

all in all it seems i would have to pay to play on the sony server to get what im after, even tho i would rather not because p99 is a much better server.
Thanks for creating such a rockin server guys, but i just dont have the playtime anymore to enjoy playing 10 hours a day to get things done on a character...

safe travels and happy loot farming everyone...

and to those who are predictable... flame away like idiots i guess :(

[Odeseus]

Sorry, but after so many threads about allowing boxing on P99, anything that says "boxing" and even something remotely like "allowing" is going to be read as "I WANT TO BE ABLE TO 2BOX ON P99!" That is just the way it is.

As far as making a new server, you have to make it explicitly clear what you are asking. Only your last sentence even hinted that you were talking about a totally separate server. Your original intention was not clear, so we assumed you were asking what the other million people were asking.

So what you are asking for (if I understand correctly) is for the devs to make a totally separate server exactly like P99 but allow 2boxing so that you could play as you want since (for whatever reason) your play time is not high enough to get much enjoyment out of "normal" P99.

In essence, you are asking the devs to double their workload (which they are already not being paid for) just so you would get the type of server you want and would fit your personal situation. My thoughts are the following:

1. Would it be worth doubling the devs workload?

2. Would it really be as awesome as you think? Wouldn't EVERYONE ELSE 2box and take all the camps? So wouldn't you really just be in the same position anyway?

3. Finally, why are you asking the devs to change THEIR game to suit YOUR wants and needs?

Just my thoughts. Take them with a grain of salt.

[Tale]

Daldaen, your argument(?) makes no sense. Completely unrelated topics.

I thought he had a point. To me, boxing, RMT and selling accounts are evils spawned by classic EverQuest. They're related in their undesirability.

A quick Google search reveals a black market in real-world cash for P1999 plat. It looks like accounts are being sold to convert the plat to cash, and/or bought with purchased plat. Some of the major traders look a lot like RMT businesses and probably are. We see the inflationary effects on the server.

But I'm sure you're well aware of this. You've probably decided the status quo is acceptable. And really, this is how it was in classic anyway (RMT evolved during EverQuest's heyday). I'm sure the server is full of the kind of losers who think buying plat is necessary.

You're doing an amazing job with everything. Don't get me wrong.

[Ozst]

it was a question whether it would be considered, i wasnt demanding this or something, calm the hell down. and the title of the thread specifically says "second boxing server"

[senna]

wow, whats with all the rage in this thread?

boxing

[Kika Maslyaka]

it was a question whether it would be considered, i wasnt demanding this or something, calm the hell down. and the title of the thread specifically says "second boxing server"

Pal, saying the "B" word on P99 is an invitation to have a bucket of shit dropped on you.
Learn to embrace it :D

[shuklak]

I played on shards of dalaya which allows only 1 or 2 boxing. And I've played here now for a little bit.

At first i wanted to 2 box, but now that I've actually been on the server i totally agree even though times I wish I could 2 box simply so I could exp better. But the reason that is good is because it's classic. It's "real" everquest the way it used to be. The everquest that defined the very game. Would I love to have a pocket cleric? Sure. A nice buff bot following around all my groups sounds great.

But what about the cost? It's huge. It cheapens the feel of the game. Shards of Dalaya, back then, was a great emu of classic, but if you're going for classic then 2-boxing basically means you never get close to the original game you loved.

[Sponge]

I wish two-boxing was allowed as long as one character was in EC, and if you left EC then one character would go LD. Would be nice to sell stuff while grouping on main =x

[Salty]

wow, whats with all the rage in this thread?

boxing

it's def blue jelly

[Felizcat]

it's def blue jelly

Hmm,
looks like Salty is a bot. In every threat he has to drop a line that contains the word blue. Botting gets banned, right?

On the subject, I believe as others do, P99 has become this good because of the strict adherence to the classic rules. Classic did limit boxing by putting a price on it. Something a free server can not. That's why it was limited here. Hard.

[Mini14]

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[Dr4z3r]

1. Would it be worth doubling the devs workload?
Significant over-estimate.
2. Would it really be as awesome as you think? Wouldn't EVERYONE ELSE 2box and take all the camps? So wouldn't you really just be in the same position anyway?
You're right.
3. Finally, why are you asking the devs to change THEIR game to suit YOUR wants and needs?
You make the post sound an awful lot more entitled than it is.

[Folkar]

I can see the argument on both sides for this. For those who multi-boxed on live, it was a great time filler when you couldn't get a group, or could only be on for an hour or so. Sure playing a solo class is an option, but if your favorite class is a horrible soloing class, then your pretty much out of luck. At some point I may come back and try out P99 again as I do love the nostalgic feel of the game, but for me part of my 'personal' nostalgia is to play my barbarian warrior and shaman as a team.

Do I think that the community and those developing the environment should change something as passionate as this topic to accommodate my own personal nostalgia? No. Do I hope it eventually happens? Sure. If the devs ever did decide to allow this to happen, i'm sure they could figure out a way to limit the concerns about two boxing (if code allowed). Rate of exp limitations (to block P'leveling), limitations on being logged in both accounts in certain areas when both accounts are not present. etc.. Again, all of this would be alot of works for the devs, and I can completely understand them wanting to keep things as it is now, why not? it is successful!

[Odeseus]

Significant over-estimate.

Very true. I did picked a random amount that would be impressive enough to make my point. If I simply said the truth like, "It would assuredly increase the devs' workload, I am guessing by quite a bit, but I have no direct evidence of how much work goes into any of this." I'm thinking a shorter, over-simplified version of "double the work because you double the servers" would deliver my point more forcefully and in fewer words.

You make the post sound an awful lot more entitled than it is.

Again, I over did things for the sake of making a more forceful point. My point is that this is the devs' creation and they are free to do whatever they want with it. We are just lucky that they allow us to play period. And since they have stated many, many times that they really aren't interested in boxing on any level, there really is no reason to campaign for it. The best you could hope for is to use an argument to change their minds, and since their opinions appear to be pretty set, at least on this issue, it appears to me to be a pointless endeavor.

Now, how many people would actually read that block of text vs. a single line or two? I thought that the single line or two would be a better way to go, so I went that route. I apologize for severely over-simplifying my arguments to achieve that goal.