shm solo JBB question

[melloncollie]

Hi All,

Just hit 45 on my shaman and looking to get a JBB.

I was curious, when JBBing, should I be trying to get into melee range and swing between clicks or just root/JBB spam?

Reason for asking is I've been rocking a GFG up until 45 and was thinking I could sell for something better to pump stats if just spamming JBB from now on. (e.g., harpoon + sbs or something similar).

Thanks.

[Oleris]

if you can face tank with slow + fungi + fungi staff then no reason to root. If you don't have that kit, then you need to take a look at your kills per hour if you root multiple times when killing a mob. It just comes down to efficiency.

[robbybenson24]

There isn't really a blanket piece of advice but if you are soloing and geared to the hilt, what Oleris is saying makes sense. Since you are asking about how to efficiently spend a few PP, my guess is that you aren't fungi'd out.

If you are duoing, rooting and letting your duo partner (if its a tankish type) tank while you JBB away has merit as long as you are staying ahead on mana for the next mob or in case of emergency.

In a group setup, it really depends on the group type but if you are standing a lot of the time and someone is holding agro (or root tanking), you can toss in a few extra DPS by doing your business near the merbs.

[Qtip]

Root, cast bracer until root breaks. Root again, step back, canni once and begin to cast bracer again. With regen and using canni, you stay 100% hp and mana the whole time. You can throw dots if you would like because you will be 100% mana and only wasting mana on root, which will break every 2-3 casts.

[azeth]

Also check how long range JBB cast is. You can stand really far away so there's no chance of the mob making it to you before root sticks.

[evilkorn]

Another tip is to make sure you aren't wasting mana on using too strong a root spell. The way root works now with random breaks you may not get the use of long duration roots, especially when nuking can break root. JBB is 8sec cast, lvl 14 root for 30 and 48 sec duration will most likely break due to the nuke rather than breaking before the max duration is reached. Use enstill if you need park an add or if you are doting.

[Elerial]

Make pet. Slow mob, sick pet, step back, jbb. Win.

[Sacer]

I don't know if this is the best way but this is how I did it and it felt right to me :

- mob is 2k hp or less : just root and spam jbb until root break, reapeat.

- mob is 2k+ hp : pull with slow, root then send pet and spam jbb, if root break and you still have aggro reroot but more often then not the pet will keep aggro

Unless you are an ogre you don't really want to tank, geting bashed at the end of a cast is a terrible feeling

[Elerial]

Generally, if pet is in upper levels of dmg it will keep aggro (dont forget to buff str to it via jbvambs), after 50 - Spirits quickening is a cheap and great way to keep pet hasted.

Learn to root park / stagger mobs.

[Danth]

Generally, if pet is in upper levels of dmg it will keep aggro (dont forget to buff str to it via jbvambs), after 50 - Spirits quickening is a cheap and great way to keep pet hasted.

Spirit Quickening is presently awful, do not use it. Its haste is only half that of Alacrity, for barely more than half as long. It's a false economy. You end up spending nearly as much mana per hour for much less effect.

Danth

[Snaggles]

Lowest root and keep clicking. I usually slow as well so you can send your pet out to speed up the killing process.

Going that way, if root breaks on a JBB cast the mob will run up to you and likely not have recycled the attack round (since it was attacking the pet). Usually you can re-root and step back after taking one (or no) round of attacks. This gets much easier with Turgurs since it lasts over 5 mins.

[Lojik]

Fight spectres and spectral keepers,just sick pet and use cazic fear undead clicky

[BurtMacklinFBI]

Spirit Quickening is presently awful, do not use it. Its haste is only half that of Alacrity, for barely more than half as long. It's a false economy. You end up spending nearly as much mana per hour for much less effect.

Danth

doesn't spirit quickening stack with haste?

[Danth]

doesn't spirit quickening stack with haste?

The spell effect itself stacks on account of the stat portion stacking, but the haste effect does not. Can't tell you whether that's correct for the era or not, didn't play a Shaman back then. Right now, today, on P1999 the spell's not very good.

Danth

[elwing]

Regarding stacking, pretty much every clicky, spell or song is haste v1, none of these stacks, only the higher haste % is used despite if the buff "stacks" for stat reasons, the only haste v2 in game are the two ervaj line songs, which had low% haste that stacks but can't break the cap... And there's no haste v3 on p99 at all, so you can be pretty sure that haste never stack there.

[unleashedd]

Regarding stacking...

so worn haste and casted haste dont stack?

[Polixa]

Posting to agree with those above who said just use the pet. I soloed with JBB and pet held aggro just fine. L45-55 I didn't cast root once whilst soloing with JBB.

[elwing]

so worn haste and casted haste dont stack?

Nope, talking about buff haste...
You can have one of each of these:
* Item haste (worn, not clicky or proc, these are haste v1)
* Haste v1 buff (clicky, spells or most songs)
* haste v2 song (ervaj line only)

For each category only the highest % will be used if more than one item/buff apply

Ex:60war with CoF, epop haste and with a bard singing composition of Ervaj: 36%(CoF)+20%(epop clicky) +10%(ervaj) = 66%
If the bard add vilia's chorus of celerity, it will "overwrite" epop clicky resulting in 36%+45%+10%=91%
Now if a chanter come around and overwrite epop with wonderous rapidity you will get 36%+70%+10%=116% but capped at 100% at lvl 60,meaning both bard songs do not add any haste at all...

[Legidias]

Reading comprehension...

There's 4 total types of haste. Each type stacks with a different type, but not the same type.

EX. Type 0 + 1 + 2 +3 stacks.

Type 0 + 0 does not stack, and only the highest haste% works.

Type 0 = worn haste (no buff icon).
Type 1 = most casted hastes (regular bard song, all ench and shaman hastes, and any item clicky that gives a buff)
Type 2 = Bard extra haste, in P99 only ervaj
Type 3 = Bard over haste, not in P99 (luclin+).

In general, you will only ever have 2 hastes, a worn (non-buff) haste and a casted (buff icon) haste.

[loramin]

Wait, so if I have SCHW on my shaman and buff myself with Alacrity, they don't stack? If that's the case, I'm selling my SCHW right now, lol.
No, SCHW is worn haste, Alacrity is buff haste, they totally stack.

But you're a Shaman: don't think haste increases to your melee damage will make a huge difference in your overall DPS either way ;)