City of Heroes

[NegaStoat]

Check your Twitch streams, gals and gents. It's up as an EMU project. It appears that original server source code was leaked and is in the wild.

https://score.savecoh.com/

[Mead]

I remember playing a controller with mind control when it first launched. That was super fun.

[DinoTriz2]

I know there was a project that had the world map up without combat.

Is this a legit full emu server?

[NegaStoat]

Okay, after burning time on this I have some more news.
Yes, it's a legit emu built from the original game source code, inclusive of all of the Issue updates to when the game was shut down, as well as the Beta material that the devs were working on before they were given their pink slips. This includes stuff like the Sentinel archtype and Radiation Melee, etc.

Some dude named Leandro was supposedly given the source code by a source formerly with the NCSoft devs. It's a rumor so I'm not sure I buy it. What I do know is that the dude just recently released all the code material that he had in a public fashion. A team of coders jumped on it and less than 2 days had a test server up, which is what people were streaming today.

Character creation was working, including capes, wings, particle color choices, all of it. It's the same client the game used right up until the plug was pulled. Combat was working the exact same as retail. Experience was being earned in the same fashion. The sewers were working and door missions were 'kind of' working - it was causing issues. It looks like it will be several weeks before a full City of X is going, but all of the content is there. Praetorians, Heroic and Villain sides, etc.

Here's the discord. All of the info from the emu team and instructions to get game material are there on the announcements -- https://discord.gg/MXzaV5

[Mead]

One of my colleagues is named Leandro. I will get back to you with confirmation.

[DMN]

Interesting. So is this server a different one from the original "secret" one that's been operating for allegedly 6 years?


Here's the discord. All of the info from the emu team and instructions to get game material are there on the announcements -- https://discord.gg/MXzaV5

I see 4-5 announcements on there, none having anything to do with getting the game or on to the server,

[DinoTriz2]

Downloading it right now.

Will report back with my findings.

[DinoTriz2]

Played for about 10 minutes. Very nostalgic.

VERY buggy with regards to logging in, server is overloaded and unstable.

Essentially unplayable atm, but they're currently working on it.

[NegaStoat]

Update as of this Sunday evening's play. The server team posted in the Discord link how to download the client and connect to the server in the first or second post of the Announcements, and then gave a progress report on their work on the thing. The account creation and players parachuting into the mess have gone from 300 to 800 to 1400 to 2300 to over 3k people all wanting in. This Sunday, the server was stable with very low (but not perfect) lag / latency with over 3k on.

Door missions were working. Task forces were working. Ourobos or whatever was working, along with inventions and supergroups, etc. Some of the Praetorean content is being worked on still, along with some of the level 41-50 mission arc content for villains. Only fly in the ointment is that one or more GMs had a miscommunication with the rest of the team and gave some select players a level 50 boost. Because of the free experience handed out, every character will be wiped before the launch of the finished Live server on the 27th.

There's no issues with logging into the game between now and then. I'm just screwing around saving costumes to file and getting a feel for how I'll level and do badge hunting on the 27th. Something crazy like 5k accounts have been created. By the 27th I won't be shocked if the number triples. They're gonna need a bigger boat.

Discord link -- https://discord.gg/eJnaq7

[DinoTriz2]

I played a little more last night.

It's much better than it was in my previous post.

Still a little choppy/laggy though.

I'm kind of concerned because everyone seems to be saying there's no lag and I'm over here moving at 3 FPS during combat...maybe my computer hates the game?

It seems to be fine in door missions, but street combat is a shit show.

I like tossing enemies around with my mind but someone told me that powerset sucks.

[NegaStoat]

Well. Discord is still up, but the website and server are down. Project lead disclosed that they've been hit with a legal action of some sort. So that's that. It could have been from NC Soft, it could have been from the current company that owns Heroclix over the CoH characters they're using for that game, it could be anything. The game's source code is still in the wild and where there's a will to play or make money, there's a way.

[loramin]

Dead before it even had a chance.

Hopefully whoever sent the cease and desist notice isn't doing so just to protect their IP; hopefully they actually want to make money off it. And if that's the case they'll either start their own server soon, or sell a license to let someone else do so.

Either way it won't be free, but it'd still be nice to have the game back.

Alternatively someone could instead go the EQ Emulator approach and "blindly" re-create the game's server software "from scratch" (although in such cases devs have been known to carefully/unofficially "peek" at the official source code to get details right) ... but then they'd be in the same quasi-legal state as P99, and whoever owns the rights might not be as forgiving as Daybreak.

[DinoTriz2]

fuckin dammit, I was looking forward to playing when I got home...

[DinoTriz2]

From the subreddit:

"We have some bad news, folks. This server, as of right now, has to be shut down indefinitely. We are on a direct course for legal action. As such, steps must be taken in order to protect the people involved in this project, their families, and their futures.

As with all of you, we are heartbroken. We wanted to see our City return, but to do so at the destruction of the lives of those involved is too great a risk to take. However, this project is not finished. We will continue to work towards the revival of City of Heroes with all efforts that we can make. We cannot give you all a time frame at this time.

We are in discussions to do what we can to revive some form of the server, however we do not wish to commit to a point in the future that we may not be able to reach. You have trusted us to this point. We ask you to extend that trust, and we will in turn do everything within our power to prove to you that we are deserving of it.

To everyone who has donated time, blood, sweat and tears, and logged in to prove that this game still wishes to live - we thank you, from the bottom of our hearts. This first step could not have been taken without you, and it is you, the most dedicated fanbase in the world, that will keep us moving forward.

Just remember we did the impossible this weekend. We will see you all in Paragon City again. City of Heroes does not die today."

[DMN]

Well, that's unfortunate. it seems strange to me that a dead game could be costing any company any money to care about it. NCsoft let a shitload of private servers exist for lineage 2 for a long time, probably still running today even while the retail MMO still existed and was making money.

[DinoTriz2]

Remember when Marvel tried to sue City of Heroes because people were making knock-off Marvel characters?

Maybe it's Stan Lee's ghost sending the cease and desists?

[Wonkie]

Well, that's unfortunate. it seems strange to me that a dead game could be costing any company any money to care about it. NCsoft let a shitload of private servers exist for lineage 2 for a long time, probably still running today even while the retail MMO still existed and was making money.

copyright is weird like that. if you don't enforce it you don't own it anymore.

good luck with your game fellas :)

[DinoTriz2]

good luck with your game fellas :)

GET OUTTA HERE!!!! MOM, HE'S IN MY ROOM AGAINNNNNNN

[Madbad]

https://i.imgur.com/9zzyFft.jpg

Trizz' toon on the far right

[DMN]

copyright is weird like that. if you don't enforce it you don't own it anymore.

good luck with your game fellas :)

I suspect it's less about the law and just the country of where the physical servers are located. The USA of course being one of the staunchest to support intellectual property, so it's easy to shut things down here.

[DinoTriz2]

https://i.imgur.com/9zzyFft.jpg

Trizz' toon on the far right

Hehehe I get it, because I'm a Nahzzeee!

[DinoTriz2]

I suspect it's less about the law and just the country of where the physical servers are located. The USA of course being one of the staunchest to support intellectual property, so it's easy to shut things down here.

The EU was after them because it was rumored they still had the old database of client information.

[JayDee]

RIP fetal death

[Huc11]

I was looking forward to trying it out. I never played it, and thought it looked fun.

[DMN]

I was looking forward to trying it out. I never played it, and thought it looked fun.

There some similar games that are free to play like DC universe online and champions online.

[DinoTriz2]

They're saying there's a good chance they'll be back up and online

but now the mods are splitting up in Discord.

One side is calling the other "transphobic".

This project failed hard.

[DMN]

Apparently it's up and running again according to reddit.

[DinoTriz2]

Yep, up and live. Playing it right now. Good day to call in sick.

It's a temporary server though, while they work on the permanent one.

[Vaildez]

Can someone please leak the original source code for SWG? The 2nd best MMO of all time.

[NegaStoat]

Yup. There's a temporary server that's up right now for people to play on. I did some digging and met the right people and discovered the full story of what went down, and holy crap is it a funny mess. A lot of lies were told to the playerbase, too, but whatever.

A build of the game based off of issue 24 which is absolutely legitimate retail code from top to bottom is being created right now. Disseminate and Manic Coder are complete gods with the work they're pouring into it. This issue 24 build will be what Innocuous ends up running. It could be finished in a week, two weeks, or in the absolute worst case scenario, a month from now.

A build of the game that runs issue 25 with all of the Beta and custom content tha was developed by Leandro's team of SCORE is what people are playing on now with the temp server. I believe that either Leandro or someone close to him will be running a public version of this private server build. This temporary server which is available right now will be taken down, and the Leandro / Associate server will come up soon after as its own project.

The important take away from all of this are a few things. The "talks" with NCSoft was pure bullcrap. It was a delay tactic. Completely ignore that. The Issue 24 build that Manic Coder & crew are going to finish will be fully released on torrent for the world to have. Up to 14 coders that are doing the job have sworn to that outcome. An additional version of this legit i24 build will be altered to run on someone's computer solo, but that's a secondary goal.

If you need a game fix right away, visit the discord and follow the instructions in the announcement section. -- https://discord.gg/rMHtC2

[DinoTriz2]

Can someone please leak the original source code for SWG? The 2nd best MMO of all time.

I'm pretty sure there's already a private server out there for SWG.

I want to say I played it too, but I can't remember.

[loramin]

I'm pretty sure there's already a private server out there for SWG.

I want to say I played it too, but I can't remember.

There are multiple in fact: https://topg.org/swg-private-servers/ (and the one I played, which I thought was the most popular, isn't even on that list).

[DMN]

I guess i stopped playing this early on cause I don't remember this going rogue stuff . So apparently you can freely change between villain and hero now? Can you just start as a villain class but also start out as a hero, too?

[Huc11]

There some similar games that are free to play like DC universe online and champions online.

Thanks for the info. I played DC online, and found it wanting. I had some friends that played CoH and it seemed way more in depth. I was never willing to pay for it. I was still playing EQ live at the time. I always wanted to try out CoH. Looks like I still may be able to.

[DMN]

This game is awful. Do avoid.

Despite an incredibly great character creation implementation, the rest of the game is garbage.

Wise man says, "don't resurrect what should have died already."

[DinoTriz2]

The server is completely overloaded - I think they had over 3500 people on last night.

So the lag is awful. They're upgrading the server as needed.

But the game is fun. I like it.

It's funny to see all that DC Online pretty much ripped off, but in a piss poor way.

[NegaStoat]

A second server is now up to help reduce the player load. I'm personally going to screw around on it while waiting for a legitimate issue 24 server to come online. I'm not a big fan of the issue 25 beta content and custom content Leandro's crew threw in, nor am I okay with characters starting with capes and auras. Quests are classic, yo.

In other news, the Issue 24 team has made absurdly good progress and... They've picked up two (2) original programmers that were a part of the game's launch / updating that are helping as a hobby. The intent is that the issue 24 true retail client and server engine builds will be full public release on torrents still. And this happens to come back to back with the Green P1999 announcement. Yikes, what a year.

Blizzard WoW classic can still go Eff itself with zone sharding and unclassic current loot mechanics and party disenchanting. That's on top of the unclassic 3 stage content implementation. What a damned waste.

[DinoTriz2]

I've been playing around with the "Sentinel", which I believe is a custom class.

Pretty neat. Essentially a more defensive Blaster.

[DMN]

They gave blasters time manipulation on this version.

[Jimjam]

Update as of this Sunday evening's play. The server team posted in the Discord link how to download the client and connect to the server in the first or second post of the Announcements, and then gave a progress report on their work on the thing. The account creation and players parachuting into the mess have gone from 300 to 800 to 1400 to 2300 to over 3k people all wanting in. This Sunday, the server was stable with very low (but not perfect) lag / latency with over 3k on.

Door missions were working. Task forces were working. Ourobos or whatever was working, along with inventions and supergroups, etc. Some of the Praetorean content is being worked on still, along with some of the level 41-50 mission arc content for villains. Only fly in the ointment is that one or more GMs had a miscommunication with the rest of the team and gave some select players a level 50 boost. Because of the free experience handed out, every character will be wiped before the launch of the finished Live server on the 27th.

There's no issues with logging into the game between now and then. I'm just screwing around saving costumes to file and getting a feel for how I'll level and do badge hunting on the 27th. Something crazy like 5k accounts have been created. By the 27th I won't be shocked if the number triples. They're gonna need a bigger boat.

Discord link -- https://discord.gg/eJnaq7
Should always wipe beta characters before a proper launch /em ducks rotten fruit.

[Mewse]

You got a fresh link for the discord server? Old one isn't working anymore. Would be interested in checking this out.

[gildor]

https://discord.gg/X4fWUDV

They had to bring up 4 servers over the weekend, had 30,000 accounts created,

Each server allowing 2.5K concurrent players. They are still ironing out stability issues etc, but man it is fun to play CoX again.

[DinoTriz2]

https://discord.gg/X4fWUDV

They had to bring up 4 servers over the weekend, had 30,000 accounts created,

Each server allowing 2.5K concurrent players. They are still ironing out stability issues etc, but man it is fun to play CoX again.

Yep, four servers now.

Last night there was a 1,000 queue on each one as well.

Insane.

[Mewse]

https://discord.gg/X4fWUDV

They had to bring up 4 servers over the weekend, had 30,000 accounts created,

Each server allowing 2.5K concurrent players. They are still ironing out stability issues etc, but man it is fun to play CoX again.

Thanks a lot! I never played it back in the day, should be fun to check out.

[gildor]

no problem, the powersets can be overwhelming at first, but you can level pretty quick and get a respec every 10 levels

[Jauna]

Downloading this now. CoX was one of those games i kept coming back to. unsure if i want to delve into masterminds or blasters first

[DinoTriz2]

This is an altoholics worst nightmare.

I think I've made 37,000 characters already

[Tecmos Deception]

Wow. Controllers in CoH. Omg <3

[DMN]

Dominators are better controllers late game when you can be in domination mode permanently.

[DinoTriz2]

I have an Earth/Fire Dominator, pretty awesome so far.

Dominators seem to be the toughest to master though, due to their special ability.

[NegaStoat]

I played a Mind/Mind/Fire dominator on retail during the last year of the game. It felt pretty strong and it was also fun to level as you were given useful attack chains from their offered powers right out of the box. Between Hasten and Drain Psyche juggling, you can keep perma dom running without an issue if you are cheap on enhancements slotted and their type. If you're willing to go for the gold and slot expensive crafted enhancements, perma dom as well as always having Drain Psyche and Hasten ready to go at all times is very possible.

I'm still holding out on the Issue 24 release that the coders are still working on. Issue 25's custom content really got me down, on top of the bonus experience thing and crapton of project admin drama. For those willing to brave playing the issue 25 stuff, I highly recommend looking up recent guides and builds from issue 23 (last before the game's plug was pulled) from this wayback machine archive of the old forums.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121025162908/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=547

You can copy and paste people's builds and recommendations of what can be accomplished using expensive invention enhancements into Mid's hero designer and see ending totals, build path, etc.

http://www.cohplanner.com/

The issue 23 version is fine for most of your uses.

[gildor]

The great thing about CoX is just play what you want how you want..

Sure there is min-maxing blah blah, but a casual player is damn as near effective as a hardcore min-maxer..

Perma-dom isn't hard lol, I have a grav/mind thats like level 18 and I rarely don't have have dom going

[DinoTriz2]

I played a Mind/Mind/Fire dominator on retail during the last year of the game. It felt pretty strong and it was also fun to level as you were given useful attack chains from their offered powers right out of the box. Between Hasten and Drain Psyche juggling, you can keep perma dom running without an issue if you are cheap on enhancements slotted and their type. If you're willing to go for the gold and slot expensive crafted enhancements, perma dom as well as always having Drain Psyche and Hasten ready to go at all times is very possible.

I'm still holding out on the Issue 24 release that the coders are still working on. Issue 25's custom content really got me down, on top of the bonus experience thing and crapton of project admin drama. For those willing to brave playing the issue 25 stuff, I highly recommend looking up recent guides and builds from issue 23 (last before the game's plug was pulled) from this wayback machine archive of the old forums.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121025162908/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=547

You can copy and paste people's builds and recommendations of what can be accomplished using expensive invention enhancements into Mid's hero designer and see ending totals, build path, etc.

http://www.cohplanner.com/

The issue 23 version is fine for most of your uses.

How did you have Drain Psyche as a Dominator? Were you a Blaster?

[DMN]

How did you have Drain Psyche as a Dominator? Were you a Blaster?

Probably wasn't mind/mind but mind/psi . Psi assault has drain psyche in it.

[JayDee]

Fun game. Playing it with some close friends. If I had any complaint it would be that there are too many powers/abilities and it's not much of a challenge (can kill level 7s at level 2).

Otherwise, it is a blast. Shoutout to OP! Good looking out :)

[NegaStoat]

Fun game. Playing it with some close friends. If I had any complaint it would be that there are too many powers/abilities and it's not much of a challenge (can kill level 7s at level 2).

Otherwise, it is a blast. Shoutout to OP! Good looking out :)

The easy part is due to the custom changes to the Issue 25 build that Leandro made that you're playing. It's a custom, higher experience rate as well as bonus recovery to lower level characters on top of an increased To Hit bonus as your character is advancing to level 15 in comparison to what retail had in its closing days. The values appear to be doubled, at least for the To Hit.

Kind of a shame. Part of the fun of City of Heroes with the noob experience was getting your butt handed to you by Vahzilok in the sewers before level 15.

[DinoTriz2]

It starts to get a little more challenging around level 15 or so

[JayDee]

So what is custom about it outside of the strength of your character? Is this some Shards of Dalaya type server for CoH?

And what, ez mode buff is removed at 15? Where did you read all of this?

[Jauna]

i have not touched p99 in 2 days because of this thread and this game

[Jauna]

i cannot stop. nonstop DfB, posi and other task forces with various alts just blowing shit up.

once you go from a fire/energy blaster burning an entire herded up room in a group of 7 others its hard to go back to fucking EQ where you spend days killing a single solitary enemy with 300 people to fill a gambling addiction you have for fucking loot

i know its a meme at this point but i got erect watching a buffed up Build Up rain of fire, fireball, combust and fire sword circle rip apart an entire room of zombies, ghosts and clockwork robots oh god i missed city of heroes so much thank you for this thread

I must make a pistol/psi blaster and an archery/kin corr to keep this high going

[DinoTriz2]

I'm having fun with a Titan Weapons Brute atm.

The momentum system is pretty cool.

[NegaStoat]

I've been messing around with a Fire / Dark corruptor while waiting for the issue 24 build to be completed. Looks like 2-3 more weeks, possibly. The corruptor on paper seems to be only on par with a Defender if you're playing both of them solo, and have Assault from the leadership pool running. I've really taken a liking to Scourge though as that allows the corruptor to pull well ahead of the defender in making things dead, especially with Fire as the attack. Oddly enough, in a side by side comparison the corruptor really doesn't give much up in terms of power values against the defender when using the Dark Miasma pool for buffs / debuffs. It's a classic good fit.

[Jauna]

Rain of Fire + Tar Pit = super happy fun times. enjoy it
In some rooms where 2-4 groups come at you at once it is just a nonstop deathpit of super happy funtimes.

[gildor]

The lower levels of this game used to be a nightmare, endurance always ran out, lots of deaths etc.

At the later patch levels, Cryptic actually gave the fitness powers to level 1s to help with this. It somewhat "trivialized" some lower end content, but as you level up you will definitely see the difficulty increase. It is still very soloable, and the ability to adjust the difficulty of your mission instances makes it so you can challenge yourself as much as you would like.

Really enjoying this, of course I have like 18 characters and none above level 32, but that is the beauty of City of Heroes, who cares?

[DinoTriz2]

The lower levels of this game used to be a nightmare, endurance always ran out, lots of deaths etc.

At the later patch levels, Cryptic actually gave the fitness powers to level 1s to help with this. It somewhat "trivialized" some lower end content, but as you level up you will definitely see the difficulty increase. It is still very soloable, and the ability to adjust the difficulty of your mission instances makes it so you can challenge yourself as much as you would like.

Yeah, I made a Savage Melee/Bio Armor Brute that absolutely crushed and sailed through the first 20 or so levels.

Then I started dying on missions and thought "Is the game broken?" because I was so used to being near invincible.

If you haven't yet, try a Savage Melee/Bio Brute, they're insane. You also have permanent Endurance from the get go.

You get +Recovery in Bio early on and the combo system of Savage Melee stacks Endurance discount as well as +Recharge.

Couple that with Brute's Fury and you have an unstoppable monster.

Just need to load up on +Accuracy enhancements because it all depends on you landing attacks.

[DinoTriz2]

lol

There's a lot of implicit storytelling, narrative assumptions, and philosophical expositions on good and evil that I barely registered as a teenager 15 years ago, but today I find myself raising an eyebrow and seeing as evidence that the game has not aged well from a social and political perspective.

The heavy military checkpoints, the treatment of youth gangs as irredeemable evildoers deserving mass incarceration, the treatment of addiction as a moral failing rather than a disease, the fact that King's Row is explicitly a hellish slum occupied by the working class and yet the player is expected to work tirelessly as a protector of the status quo, the alienation (double entendre here) of the homeless as sewer dwelling monsters and not victims of failed social policy, etc. There's even a part of the new Skulls story arc where a character heavily implies to a pair of demure female recruits that they have to sleep with him in order to move up in the organization, and then in the next mission he's proudly bragging to a friend about doing it. Was that subplot really necessary to help me feel repulsed by a gang of death worshipping drug pushers?

I'm sophisticated enough a consumer of culture nowadays to be able to reject the facile "it's a story about gangs / villains / evil so of course it's going to have these things in it!" As a replacement for critically thinking about why a designer or writer chose to very uncritically include all these themes into their work of fiction. I definitely was not sophisticated enough when I was 18 in 2004 and thrilled to be designing the spiny Bramble hero that became my internet pseudonym afterwards.

I still love the game and play it every spare moment I have, don't get me wrong. But it is interesting to see how our perspectives, and the "facts" we are willing to accept with question, can shift over time like this, isn't it?

[blackberrydabbie]

It turns out that when superhero MMO City of Heroes was shut down at the end of 2012, it was only mostly dead. For six years, it was kept alive by essay experts (https://essays-experts.com) fans on a secret private server. In the wake of that server’s discovery last week, the City of Heroes community has been thrown into chaos.

[Jauna]

lots of blasters
lots of masterminds
a couple of brutes
a scrapper

its almost 9 in the fucking morning and all i want is more after playing for 11 hours.

New thug/dark mastermind, few DfB trials that lead to most of them doing a positron TF then the other half and before ya know it we were on synapes and yadda yadda yadda level 32. we finished citadel and that was that. i dont remember the last time i felt like this about eq.

[gildor]

yep, it is ridiculous..and graphically it aged very well

xp is now tuned back on all shards, and looks like it will be for a while..

the costs are astronomical to keep this thing running, and they are not accepting any type of donations

someone with some deep pockets is either funding this or its not going to last very long..

Try an electric/shield brute....AoE for days and damn near unkillable, I run my solo missions at team size 4 and +3 difficulty

[DinoTriz2]

Running a Street Justice/Willpower Brute atm.

Wrecking fools

[Jauna]

Try an electric/shield brute

I have this retarded mental block thing preventing me from making brutes that are not actually.. brutes. I have a SS/Invul/fighting/leaping brute that I love to hell. Fighting and Leaping apparently got AoE attacks at some point which scale real well off of Brute Fury and fills in the lack of AoE Super Strength has. Boxing totally replaced the tier1 attack in SS.

That said I already have a broadsword/shield/leaping scrapper based off random final fantasy girls over the years. Mostly Celes and Terra because a flaming sword and shield or a see through glimmering ice sword and shield as well with one piece swimsuits is so very nice.

[DinoTriz2]

I refuse to make a Shield Brute/Scrapper without a main hand weapon.

I know, I know Captain America exists but it still doesn't make sense.

I'm tempted to make a War Mace/Shield something at some point.

[mumpz]

Never played this. Would it be fun for a first time around? Or is nostalgia the driving force here?

[loramin]

Never played this. Would it be fun for a first time around? Or is nostalgia the driving force here?

I haven't replayed it, but I played it back in the day and I'd say the game definitely has merit on its own. It's basically EverQuest with comic book heroes/villains. If that concept appeals to you, you'll almost certainly enjoy it.

But if a comic book MMOG doesn't sound fun, I wouldn't bother with it. Gameplay itself is relatively standard MMOG stuff: it's nothing super revolutionary or different.

[DinoTriz2]

Never played this. Would it be fun for a first time around? Or is nostalgia the driving force here?

Yes, it aged well. Definitely worth a try.

I'd say the only thing that irks me is that the UI windows have tiny exit icons.

But it's very similar to DC Universe Online if you've ever played that.

Granted, it's MUCH better than DCUO, but the style is similar.

[DinoTriz2]

Gameplay itself is relatively standard MMOG stuff: it's nothing super revolutionary or different.

Mostly true, but CoH was the only game where you could throw a car at a mob with your mind (at least to my knowledge)

[loramin]

Mostly true, but CoH was the only game where you could throw a car at a mob with your mind (at least to my knowledge)

Oh totally. I just meant that what you could do (eg. throwing cars) was what made it a fun game and differentiated it, not how you did it.

The fun didn't come from any truly revolutionary gameplay changes or anything; you still have hotbars with actions and you press keys to trigger those actions (eg. throwing a car), in the same fashion as most other MMOGs. IIRC you also have a life bar and something like a mana bar, you run around beating up on lower-level mobs, and all that.

Maybe being able to manipulate the environment was slightly revolutionary, but it's not like I've ever heard anyone say "CoH is so cool because you can interact with the environment". What makes it cool is that you can use (mostly) standard MMOG mechanics to do stuff in a completely different setting (comic book world) that you can't do in other MMOGs ... like throw cars :) Just don't expect a 2018 Spider Man video game UI or anything is all.

[DinoTriz2]

Oh totally. I just meant that that stuff (eg. throwing cars) was what made it a fun game and differentiated it.

The fun didn't come from any truly revolutionary gameplay changes or anything; you still have hotbars with actions and you press keys to trigger those actions (eg. throwing a car), in the same fashion as most other MMOGs. Maybe being able to manipulate the environment was slightly revolutionary, but it's not like I've ever heard anyone say "CoH is so cool because you can interact with the environment. What makes it cool is that you can use (mostly) standard MMOG mechanics to do stuff that you can't do in other MMOGs ... like throw cars :)

True.

Another thing that I've noticed is how they add items to the environment by adding them to the character models.

Again, nothing revolutionary, but I don't see it used often.

For example, if you look at a mob who hasn't been engaged yet they'll be sitting on a knocked-over refrigerator or something. Granted the item disappears when you attack the mob, but still.

[Jauna]

Gravity Control has you chucking random things at people. Not always a car.

But if you go villain or turn into a vigilante give a Mayhem mission a go, lots of fun

[loramin]

For example, if you look at a mob who hasn't been engaged yet they'll be sitting on a knocked-over refrigerator or something. Granted the item disappears when you attack the mob, but still.

Gravity Control has you chucking random things at people. Not always a car.

I forgot about that stuff!

But now that you mention it, I do remember loving all the little details of that game. It's just so obvious how much the people who made it truly loved their work; you can just feel it in the game.

[gildor]

I refuse to make a Shield Brute/Scrapper without a main hand weapon.

I know, I know Captain America exists but it still doesn't make sense.

I'm tempted to make a War Mace/Shield something at some point.

You could do a war mace / invuln crackhead based off of the physco p99 macequester

[Tecmos Deception]

The fun didn't come from any truly revolutionary gameplay changes or anything

I disagree. I think the way CoH managed to:

1) keep class roles (tank, dps, heal, buff, debuff) a thing,
2) allow enormous customization within your class role, and
3) make whatever combination of classes your group cobbled together feel amazing when everyone was competent,

combined to make for really fantastic gameplay. Add in the way the absolutely huge number of potential builds (which were really hard to make BAD even if not all of them were top notch) contributed to replayability via alts, and the sidekick/exemplar system, and an "achievement" system well-adapted to a hero game and with more to it than bragging rights and I think it was really was a genuinely revolutionary game.


Fundamentals like tab targetting and ability hotkeys and party UI green healthbars and stuff didn't change. And "boss" battles in CoH (at least to my knowledge) are actually pretty lame. But all the other stuff delivered a game that was about having fun making new stuff, leveling them up ("the journey"), seeing how many cool ways you could beat up bad guys with different assortments of heros in your team, all with a faster-paced play than other MMOs at the time? It was wonderful.

[Tecmos Deception]

What server are you bums on? Buddy of mine had started on everlasting so I made Tecmos Deception there as a mind/time controller cause that seemed a good honor to Tecmos the EQ enchanter. Just unlocked my hybrid slot yesterday, started trying to put IO sets together, have a few random defenders I've started that I can't decide if I want to play or try other builds. Etc.

Holy shit this game is fast paced though. I never got above like 40 with my blaster on live or the 20s with anything else. 50 as mind/time/power with incarnates unlocked and starting to get sets is a glorious, frantic mess of CC and buffs and debuffs. It's like playing a bard who is the puller and constantly twisting 3 songs with instrument+weapon swaps. Except instead of 8 songs and 5 partymates and a couple mobs at a time, it's like 30 abilities and 7 partymates and a 10-20 mobs at a time.

[DMN]

Dominators end up being the ultimate crowd control class after you can keep domination going most of the time.

The bad thing about mind as a primary is that you never get a pet to work with(all other primaries get a pet). And plant might even be better for charming and CC. The charm in plant is cone shaped, has much shorter cooldown than the mind AoE charm, it's inherently harder to resist, and I believe it also lasts longer. So it's a little bit worse for targeting groups(cone versus circle around the target) but has a bunch of benefits that offset it. But plant is also one of the highest damage primaries and along with tons of CC it even has some healing power.

[DinoTriz2]

Dominators end up being the ultimate crowd control class after you can keep domination going most of the time.

The bad thing about mind as a primary is that you never get a pet to work with(all other primaries get a pet). And plant might even be better for charming and CC. The charm in plant is cone shaped, has much shorter cooldown than the mind AoE charm, it's inherently harder to resist, and I believe it also lasts longer. So it's a little bit worse for targeting groups(cone versus circle around the target) but has a bunch of benefits that offset it. But plant is also one of the highest damage primaries and along with tons of CC it even has some healing power.

They consider Mass Confusion the "pet" lol

That must be a satisfying power to use. Start riots whenever you want.

As fun as it sounds, I could never get into the play style of Mind Control.

Earth/Fire Dominators are pretty awesome though, especially for AOE.

[DMN]

Earth has the best pure crowd control but at the cost of no charm and no healing potential(it's also the lowest damage primary in the game i think).

[DinoTriz2]

Fire is one of the best for AOE damage for Dominators though, so it works out

[DMN]

Apparently there is an i24 server open up now.

https://play.cityofheroesrebirth.com/

[DinoTriz2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWtCH4XtrI

[gildor]

What server are you bums on?

Indomitable ...the unofficial PVP server

[DinoTriz2]

Indomitable ...the unofficial PVP server

That's what I'm on as well

[DinoTriz2]

I'm bored of CoH now.

It's an alt-oholic's wet dream/worst nightmare, but it can't keep my attention past level 20.

What do you have to look forward to after level 20? 1 or 2 more attack abilities? A few more defensive toggles? I guess the crafting?

I now understand why I only played it for a few months back when it released.

[JayDee]

Indomitable ...the unofficial PVP server

I have spent awhile trying to find pvp. First was told to go pocket D. Then a monkey cage area? Then i traveled to contested PVP zones looking for trouble and NOTHING.

Did manage to go bobsledding, though

[Jauna]

I'm bored of CoH now.

Im still going at it. 5 or 6 pages of alts in their high 30s and mid 40s. i try to wait for a high level TF to maybe get my first 50 but god damn this weeks weekly target is Virgil's SF and its been nonstop that for whatever alt i can do it with

[dudette]

if I was a Black Rapper, my Black Rap name would be Indo Mitable

[DinoTriz2]

if I was a Black Rapper, my Black Rap name would be Indo Mitable

Take it to tells please

[dudette]

Take it to tells please

*extended-play of wet blowjob and gagging sounds*

[DinoTriz2]

*extended-play of wet blowjob and gagging sounds*

Looking forward to it, bby

[gildor]

There has been some action in the open pvp areas on indom, if you play the game progressing and doing TFs as you go, there is a ton of content..

at 50 you start unlocking new power trees in incarnate abilities, which have special trials and taskforces for them

there are also raids to do, but yes altoholism stops many folks from getting there :)

[TopEssayServices]

Has anyone visit at this site and actually use it? Is it safe?

[Dwarflord]

what did i click on sounds terrible

[JayDee]

The bad:
PvE is super easy and scales to become "tougher" when you invite more group members

Your costume is what you are to other people. Therefor upgrades (that would be gear in other games) doesn't mean shit in regards to status and how people view you

Severely lacks in PvP. I called people out for hours in open PvP and got ONE taker. Shout out to Twilight for throwing down ;)

Runs poorly on bad PCs. My friend can run Warhammer scenarios with 50 people on the screen NP, yet CoH hitches badly when there is any activity on the screen

Homecoming is the most popular project and I have heard they are SJWs. Comments deemed racist, sexist or otherwise offensive can lead to disciplinary action.

The good:
Feel like Goku for a few days b4 you get bored

[bilirubin]

The bad:


Homecoming is the most popular project and I have heard they are SJWs. Comments deemed racist, sexist or otherwise offensive can lead to disciplinary action.


That's actually extremely good.

[Dwarflord]

thank god i dont wear costumes

i only wear nike dri fit shirts

[Patriam1066]

thank god i dont wear costumes

i only wear nike dri fit shirts

Made in China

[Dwarflord]

just checked the 18 i have

made in guatemala, honduras thailand and haiti

no china

[Dwarflord]

most were bought online or at dicks sporting goods

25$ e worth every cent