Ninja looted by Zoolex

[justin6764]

Okay, so I was just grouped with Zoolex, which the group all agreed on rolling for the item, the roll took place with all 6 members participating (hence not NBG). Soon as Zoolex sees he rolled a 25 he loots/ninjas it. Here is the screen-shot. Look how he says F-ing druid, then decides to loot it shortly after..

Also in this thread, Zoolex and his mates try to turn things around, by saying it was NBG when it truly wasn't. There was only one person in the group that could of partially used it was the Tank, the group consisted of a troll SK (Zoolex), Mage, Necro, Shammy x2 and a Druid. They all rolled, so don't believe their lies in this thread of NBG. Thank you

Furthermore, no roll would of taken please if it was NBG (which it wasn't anyway) because only one person could of partially used it to some extent. (ALTHOUGH anyone can use AC/STR all/all.) Therefore, debatable regardless.

I would also stay clear of Morbo, and Bargearse because they are some-how affiliated with Zoolex and are supporting his ninja and trying to make it seem like it wasn't a Ninja to defend his reputation. They are close friends and log on the same time daily/nightly as Zoolex.

[trisball]

no one cares justin. its nbg, whats a dru need a str ring for?


<3 bargearse

[justin6764]

thats not what we agreed on and theres proof.

[Bruno]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/KensiMarie123_baby_b/Smeagol.jpg

[justin6764]

lolol perfect

[justin6764]

and RL friends dont count as standing up for him so move on

[Petebob]

Letterman had his glory days in the 90's and 00's, but now Conan has definitely taken over.
Who agrees with me?

also, why is Justin not posting in the rants and flames thread?

[trisball]

considering im from australia and only met him the other night on EQ, its hard to call us IRL friends mate.

[Bruno]

no one cares justin. its nbg, whats a dru need a str ring for?


<3 bargearse

I believe the main focus should be on the fact that he lost the roll. Just sayin'. In my opinion, people like this should just have their accounts banned. I would post a petition on the petition forum to handle through the proper channels.

[Petebob]

I believe the main focus should be on the fact that he lost the roll. Just sayin'. In my opinion, people like this should just have their accounts banned. I would post a petition on the petition forum to handle through the proper channels.

What does this have to do with Conan again?

[trisball]

I was there. I saw everything. I can definitely say, without a shadow of a doubt and with 100% certainty that Letterman roxors.

[trisball]

That wasn't part of the deal Blackheart! It wasn't part !

http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/3/33/Mr._blackheart.png

[Bruno]

What does this have to do with Conan again?

It's hard to understand what he was saying by the post. At any rate, it doesn't matter. This should be in the petition forum.

[Lubian]

1) The screenshot has the loot rules being stated. It does not state NBG
2) Everyone in the group is rolling (further defends not NBG)
3) The ring is droppable
4) Item was ninjaed right after it was clear that Zoolex lost via /rand
5) The person who ninjaed is even the one who stated the loot rules

[justin6764]

<3 you lubian

[Cimmorene]

As some one who has been in the party for hours I would like to point out it has been announced to each new member the following:

Vendor items are greed roll
The ring, rare earring and one other item are NBG
Need before Greed (nbg) were agreed upon to not mean 'fill an emptly slot' as the druid claimed to have, but rather to fill the STATS needed by each class.

As the GER is a fantastic upgrade for any tank-type class I can't understand a Druid attempt to need roll.

My dear druid: this is a +7 str ring. While I understand that this is a 4.5k ring and you'd love to auction it, please respect that these rules were established by the group well before the item was even in play.


Dear devs: I am Shri in the group. I'm aware the druid may be upset that they didn't understand the term 'nbg', however it was clearly stated throughout the group this evening.

[justin6764]

lol

[Lickum]

Was there any possible item that could have dropped for a healer class there? If not then you don't want any healers I guess? Gotta be something for everyone to be fair, right?

[Rais]

As the GER is a fantastic upgrade for any tank-type class I can't understand a Druid attempt to need roll.

Wrong. If a tank is wearing that ring in my group, I'm finding a replacement.

Need before Greed (nbg) were agreed upon to not mean 'fill an emptly slot' as the druid claimed to have, but rather to fill the STATS needed by each class.



If it was agreed upon by everyone, why are you even rolling also?Why did the person "who needed it/for the luls?" Roll? Why is the entire group rolling? 1+1=2 isn't adding up with what you're saying, group chat, nor everyone rolling.

Give the ring to the winner.

[xshayla701]

If it was agreed upon by everyone, why are you even rolling also?Why did the person "who needed it/for the luls?" Roll? Why is the entire group rolling? 1+1=2 isn't adding up with what you're saying, group chat, nor everyone rolling.

Give the ring to the winner.

This, also this should probably just be in the petition section. Point is though, Greed>NBG

[Vendar]

bunch of garbage.

if its not a guild group, then everyone should roll. while your "uber tank" thinks he would love a 4k upgrade, guess what, the druid can trade that for an upgrade.

if people only hunted in spots where gear drops they could use, this would be a very sad server. give the druid his/her ring that they won and let them trade it for their rightfully earned upgrade.




Fact: Conan would not have ninja looted the GER, just sayin

[Fourthmeal]

ninja looters gonna ninja loot

[saucer]

Give him the ring back Zoolex. And for the couple of you defending him, why? It makes you look bad too because its very obvious it was a ninja. Why else would everyone roll like that?

[Ledzepp02]

Don't try and argue your groups' pre-determined rules over NBG, it wont work. Trust me... ;)

[Tiggles]

Don't try and argue your groups' pre-determined rules over NBG, it wont work. Trust me... ;)

I heard Ledzepp's alt is named Zoolex

[Mcbard]

Reroll as a pet class and just solo to avoid all of this.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk154/Ellicecutie/forever-alone-face.png

[Salty]

Stop being a random scrub on p99 and get some friens.

Problem solved.

[Duskoy]

4k isnt worth getting put on the "dont group with list" imo

[Petebob]

Give him the ring back Zoolex. And for the couple of you defending him, why? It makes you look bad too because its very obvious it was a ninja. Why else would everyone roll like that?

What that screenshot doesn't show is the long delay between Druid/SK rolls and the rest of us while it was being discussed in group chat.
I only rolled to see if the situation could be disarmed then and there so Zoo could get his ring, as did everyone else on the group. That obviously didn't work, and now there's some ridiculous thread about it.
Regardless, the ring is now in it's rightful place in what was a NBG loot allocation

[nalkin]

Can people just stop doing NBG groups so things like this wouldn't happen. NBG is dumb on anything worth decent value.

Anyway, what is funny is that the druid who won the roll could probably make a more legitimate claim to NBG than the tank who ninjad the ring. The druid didn't have a ring, and I am guessing that the tank already had some rings and just wanted an upgrade. Not only that, +STR aint really important for a tank, but how many casters out there get tired of dealing with encumbrance?

So, to me it looks like the druid won both NBG and rolls.

[Pico]

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

Zoolex tells the group, 'fucking druid'

Give him his ring you idiot.

[Daldolma]

Am I missing something? Some of you people are apparently confusing the timeline right now. Re-read the group-chat window. Bargearse states that the roll is NBG. Upon the random, Bargearse, Morbo, and Shri all seemingly express confusion over the fact that a druid would roll on the ring. The druid then defends the roll by stating that he isn't wearing a ring. It was clearly an NBG situation as far as the group was concerned -- everyone knew it, including the druid. He's trying to play it off as a 'need' roll. If you're all seriously claiming that a druid rolling NBG on a Gem Encrusted Ring is legitimate because he didn't have a ring slot, you're being absurd.

It's a melee ring. It's totally legitimate for a tank to roll NBG on it -- it's 10ac, 7 strength. Is it better than 5ac/55hp? Meh, probably not for tanking, especially at lower levels, but a tank is also a melee -- and in the event that he's not the main tank (on a raid, in a poorly formed group, etc), this is best in slot for him. How do you defend NBG on a 10ac, 7 strength ring for a druid? Seriously? Buy a damn silver jasper ring -- it costs 10 platinum and it's better for you than a GER. But this guy probably has jasper rings bagged, anyway. Just remind me to un-equip my rogue's boots next time I land a spot in an Efreeti group. NBG on GEBs guys, I don't have a foot slot.

You people are misdirecting your anti-greed rants. It was poor form to ninja loot either way, but that roll should have been disallowed.

[Pico]

Am I missing something?

Yes...

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

[Savok]

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

Zoolex tells the group, 'fucking druid'

Give him his ring you idiot.

+1

[Daldolma]

Yes...

I didn't miss that -- you're missing the point. The fact that the guy called for a roll doesn't mean it wasn't NBG. Everyone in the group, INCLUDING THE DRUID, acknowledges that it's NBG. Three different people, not including Zoolex, say something to the effect of "Huh? Why is the druid rolling?" At which point, the druid explains that he has a right to NBG roll because he doesn't have a ring slot. It's ridiculous.

Look, there are two parts to this equation:

#1 - do you agree that the group was rolling NBG? Based on the group chat, there should be no debate over this.

#2 - does a druid actually have a right to NBG roll on a Gem Encrusted Ring? I guess this is debatable, but if you seriously believe the druid would have rolled on this if it was no drop, you're 'tarded.

[Pico]

#1 - do you agree that the group was rolling NBG? Based on the group chat, there should be no debate over this.


No, obviously there is debate over this because Zoolex himself said roll if you want it. Probably the loot rules weren't really established, or else why the hell would he say that?

[YendorLootmonkey]

No, obviously there is debate over this because Zoolex himself said roll if you want it.

This. The group was told to "roll if you want." Druid wanted. Druid rolled and won. Anything beyond that is backpedalling.

Give the GER to the druid, and next time pay attention to your instructions to the group when something drops... i.e. if the GER was supposed to be NBG, do not say "roll if you want it". Instead, perhaps you should say "NBG roll on GER, melee classes only." if that's in fact what you meant.

Besides that, all of these arguments since Kunark has been released have seemingly been over the concept of "NBG". It's stupid. NBG in your guild groups where you have a vested interest in the person needing it most getting it. One man's "need" is another man's "why the F would you need that??!?!?!? /petition!!!!!!!"

[Daldolma]

Why wouldn't he say it? How do you call for a roll? He was just calling for a roll. I guess 'roll if you need it' would have been more appropriate, but you're playing semantics. Three people asked why a druid was rolling. Then the druid explained himself in terms of NBG. Then Zoolex got pissed that a druid rolled and decided to ninja loot the ring. Despite the fact that 4 different people in the group commented on the fact that it was NBG, not including Zoolex, you're claiming it's debatable based on the fact that Zoolex said 'roll if you want it'? Everyone in the group -- again, including the druid -- seemed to understand that it was NBG. I don't think there's any legitimate debate over that fact.

[Bruno]

The best part about all of this is that regardless of who is going to end up with it/did end up with it, it's getting sold in EC if it hasn't been already. The tank will buy tank gear or the druid will buy wisdom gear. The dude shouldn't have taken the ring after he lost the roll.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I guess 'roll if you need it' would have been more appropriate, but you're playing semantics.

And so is the group, in terms of "Need Before Greed".

Three people asked why a druid was rolling. Then the druid explained himself in terms of NBG.

Exactly. But that suddenly wasn't good enough for the group. Suddenly, the "NBG" got further refined to melees only without the druid knowing.

If the druid had known the group's definition of "need" was melees only up front, a) he probably wouldn't have rolled, creating this situation in the first place, and b) he could have decided at that point that the group wasn't for him. In which case, as someone said above, good luck getting any healers to join in your PUG if they have zero chance at rolling on the rare droppable item that they can sell for something they could use.

The fundamental issue is that "need" is subjectively defined. The druid genuinely felt he "needed" the ring. Who are we to judge on that? Maybe he needs the STR for encumberance issues. Maybe he needs the 10 AC for some damage mitigation while he's playing ghetto CC by rootparking or to take a few hits before an evac, I don't know. And you or the group doesn't know either.

Hence the problem with "NBG" rolls in pickup groups...

[Daldolma]

And so is the group, in terms of "Need Before Greed".



Exactly. But that suddenly wasn't good enough for the group. Suddenly, the "NBG" got further refined to melees only without the druid knowing.

If the druid had known the group's definition of "need" was melees only up front, a) he probably wouldn't have rolled, creating this situation in the first place, and b) he could have decided at that point that the group wasn't for him. In which case, as someone said above, good luck getting any healers to join in your PUG if they have zero chance at rolling on the rare droppable item that they can sell for something they could use.

The fundamental issue is that "need" is subjectively defined. The druid genuinely felt he "needed" the ring. Who are we to judge on that? Maybe he needs the STR for encumberance issues. Maybe he needs the 10 AC for some damage mitigation while he's playing ghetto CC by rootparking or to take a few hits before an evac, I don't know. And we don't know either.

Hence the problem with "NBG" rolls in pickup groups...

I get your point, and it'd hold water in a lot of NBG debates, and it's a good reason why NBG shouldn't generally be used. But this isn't one of those situations. This is a druid calling 'need' on a 10ac, +7str ring. It's horseshit, and everyone in the group knew it. Limiting that ring to melees for NBG isn't some arbitrary distinction. It'd be like limiting GEBs to casters. I'm sure a paladin could un-equip his boots and claim he needs the 5ac and 9 wisdom upgrade, but we all know that that's not a legitimate example of NBG. There really isn't any ambiguity in this case, or the GEBs example.

There is ambiguity as to who really 'needs' certain items. This isn't one of them.

[rsynweap84]

Ok screw need shit, fact of the matter is:

Stupid guy says anyone can roll.
Stupid guy loses roll.
Stupid queer then ninja's the drop.
And then some of you idiots defend the ninja.

Srsly some of you should be the poster children for abortion, curse your wretched wench mothers for having you!

[Daldolma]

Where does he say anyone can roll? He said 'roll if you want' in an NBG group, where everyone knew it was an NBG group. He lost the roll to a druid that didn't have a rightful roll, then "ninja looted" an item that nobody else should have rolled for. The only person butt-hurt is the druid that tried to claim need on a 10ac, 7 strength ring. Nobody else in the group was upset by the "ninja looting". In fact, two of the people from the group have posted defending Zoolex in this very thread.

You've literally got everyone in the group on one side of this argument, and then a druid claiming need on a 10ac, 7str ring on the other. If nothing else, wouldn't you guys agree that the people in the group would be in a better position to know?

Like I said, the group should have just disallowed the roll. It's not "ninja looting" if the majority of the group agrees you should get the item, based on the group's pre-established rules. It's democracy. Like America. And I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you bad mouth the good people of the United States of America.

[baalzy]

trade-able items should always be greed roll in non-guild group situations.

Period, everyone fighting contributed to making it drop therefore everyone deserves a chance at it.

[Daldolma]

trade-able items should always be greed roll in non-guild group situations.

Period, everyone fighting contributed to making it drop therefore everyone deserves a chance at it.

That's your opinion. The majority of the group apparently disagreed. If the majority of the group votes NBG, it's NBG. If that's a problem for someone, they can leave -- but they can't bullshit 'need'.

Can't believe how many people are defending a druid claiming 'need' on a 10ac, +7 strength ring, even after two of the other members from the group come and claim Zoolex was in the right. There was no ambiguity over whether or not this was an NBG group -- put that out of your minds. Everyone knew it was NBG, including the druid. Two non-Zoolex members of the group have already posted in this thread confirming as much, despite the fact that it's obvious from the group-chat.

The only issue is whether or not the druid had the right to roll 'need' on this ring. He obviously didn't. Dude is just greedy.

[nalkin]

To me, the druid has just as much right to call NBG as the tank. The druid sees a ring drop, would make his character better than it is (encumbrance is a biotch)... seems like a respectable claim to need. And if the tank has even the cheap 5ac/55hp rings, then the GER would probably be a downgrade or for arguments sake, less of an upgrade than for the druid.

Anyway, everyone quit with the dumb NBG unless with your guild or friends like Yendor said. Remember it like this: PUG = Thug, Mate = Donate

[justin6764]

it's the same guy (probably zoolex him self or real life friend) trying to defend it

[Daldolma]

Haha, you've got to be kidding. I don't know if you guys know this druid or something, but I can't believe you're claiming 10ac, 7str is a legitimate NBG for a druid. It's the highest AC ring in the game, and strength is relevant for every melee -- it's legitimate for a tank to roll NBG on it.

Whatever, this is silly. The ring ended up with the right person, and the rest of the group has his back. Guess that's all that matters.

All I know is that if I were playing a druid in an NBG group and a GER dropped, I'd never claim need, and I'm genuinely shocked that there is a significant number of people that would. Poor form, P99.

[Daldolma]

it's the same guy (probably zoolex him self or real life friend) trying to defend it

It's two different people from the group -- Bargearse on page one, and Shri on page two. Now he's not just a ninja looter, but also a 3-boxer?

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that it was also Zoolex who stole the cookies from the cookie jar?

[justin6764]

Basically your trying to lie your way out of this I see.

[nalkin]

The logic behind having a NBG group on an item worth 4k is way worse than the logic behind a druid (with no rings) claiming need on a +STR ring.

[justin6764]

Just saw zoolex taking the boat to Ecommons hmmmmm now is logged off after being in Ecommon for 10 min? sounds like he selling it on an alt to me

[Daldolma]

The logic behind having a NBG group on an item worth 4k is way worse than the logic behind a druid (with no rings) claiming need on a +STR ring.

It doesn't matter. The logic of doing NBG isn't the debate here. The group had previously established the fact that they would NBG the ring. It was a static condition of the group.

If you're going to defend a druid rolling need on a 10ac, +7 strength ring, I guess that's a matter of opinion. I don't see it. I think it's exceptionally greedy, I'd never do it, and I'd 100% agree with Zoolex if I was in the group when this happened. And as it turns out, the rest of the group does seem to agree with Zoolex. So I guess there's that.

[Fourthmeal]

think outside the bun y'all

[Kaedain]

whomever this druid was, way to go tainting the druid class even further

[justin6764]

If EVERYONE knew it was need before greed, why did the necro YOU the defender a SHAMAN and the OTHER SHAMAN all roll? The only possible person it could of gone to IF it was need before greed was a tank where couldnt really use it much anyway..

[YendorLootmonkey]

I guess that's a matter of opinion. I don't see it. I think it's exceptionally greedy, I'd never do it

I happen to agree that if I were a druid, I probably would not have rolled in that situation. But again, the concept of "need" is subjective. And maybe I was just in a PUG who NBG'd some +WIS stuff and a melee rolled on and won it because it also had +HP and was an upgrade for him. You never know what the individual situation is.

Are PUGs defaulting T-staffs to Monks now as a general rule? Just wondering.

[nalkin]

It doesn't matter. The logic of doing NBG isn't the debate here. The group had previously established the fact that they would NBG the ring. It was a static condition of the group.

If you're going to defend a druid rolling need on a 10ac, +7 strength ring, I guess that's a matter of opinion. I don't see it. I think it's exceptionally greedy, I'd never do it, and I'd 100% agree with Zoolex if I was in the group when this happened. And as it turns out, the rest of the group does seem to agree with Zoolex. So I guess there's that.

Well I agree that the logic of NBG isn't up for debate. Though one could argue the point that perhaps the group wasn't NBG given his statement of "if you want GER roll". But supposing that it was a NBG group the argument is whether the druid has claim to "need". Statistically the rings were probably worse for the tank or negligible than what he had and they at least equal to negligible for the druid. So why not claim need.

I Don't see how a group member investing time into a group gets the tag "greedy" when wanting a fair shot at a valuable item which he worked for as equally as the tank did. While the Tank is not greedy for wanting outright loot privileges.

[Edzilla]

Didn't yall hear? Str gives tanks parry - it's a legit upgrade.

[justin6764]

Didn't yall hear? Str gives tanks parry - it's a legit upgrade.

No, but didn't you hear? The mage, necro and shammy x2 all participated in the roll.

[Daldolma]

What that screenshot doesn't show is the long delay between Druid/SK rolls and the rest of us while it was being discussed in group chat.
I only rolled to see if the situation could be disarmed then and there so Zoo could get his ring, as did everyone else on the group. That obviously didn't work, and now there's some ridiculous thread about it.
Regardless, the ring is now in it's rightful place in what was a NBG loot allocation

^

They rolled on behalf of the tank to try to un-do your greed and pacify the situation.

[justin6764]

Nice try, thief.

[Daldolma]

Dude, I have zero connection to Zoolex. I've been on this server for damn near a year. My characters are well-known. Zoolex isn't one of them. And generally speaking, I couldn't care less about who gets this ring.

What I do care about is one greedy person (you) trying to slander another person (Zoolex) despite the fact that your entire group thinks you're the greedy tool and Zoolex did exactly what he had every right to do.

Three different people that were in your group have defended Zoolex and called you out in this very thread. Zero people that were in your group have corroborated your story or agreed that Zoolex "ninja looted". Explain that to yourself, then to this thread. I'm excited to hear it. Let me guess: they're all Zoolex? He was 4-boxing? Well, 5-boxing if you include me. Dude must have like 6 hands.

[gnomishfirework]

Lol at this thread. Who cares? Someone couldn't sell that for 2.5k yesterday.

They are nice rings for monks, rogues, and rangers. Id rather have other rings for every other class that are a lot cheaper.

Sure, those rings might sell for 4k again when they stop dropping, but everyone an his brother has one now.

[Daldolma]

Lol at this thread. Who cares? Someone couldn't sell that for 2.5k yesterday.

They are nice rings for monks, rogues, and rangers. Id rather have other rings for every other class that are a lot cheaper.

Sure, those rings might sell for 4k again when they stop dropping, but everyone an his brother has one now.

Basically true, but at least as far as I'm concerned, I don't think it's really about the value -- more about the principle. I just don't like the idea of a guy getting called out as a ninja looter for doing something that his entire group agreed he had the right to do, minus the druid that tried to call 'need' on a 10ac, 7str ring. I also dislike the fact that this guy posted a disingenuous screenshot of the entire group rolling, when it has been noted by the other members of the group (in this thread) that they only rolled after the fact, on behalf of Zoolex.

I don't know -- maybe it's just me. But I see a greedy guy that tried to abuse NBG and got called out on it by his group, then went to the forums butt-hurt and tried to pressure the rightful owner into giving it up by going after his reputation. It's sleazy, whether it's over 4k or 40k.

[Ennoia]

You're all dumb, it's CAWU (Can and Will Use) or FFA (Free For All). Get your WoW faggotry out of here.

Also, unless it's no drop, get fucked. Just because the Wizard that wins a Lammy or RBG probably isn't going to use it, they can use the cash generated from selling it for something they actually can use.

[Trapp]

I've never played a warrior, is the GER stats really that much better for a tank, than the crafted AC/HP rings?

[justin6764]

Nope, AC/HP is better then STR for a tank. Obviously.

[Jigga]

NBG is bullshit, everything is greed.Greed that you want your character to be better. Does anyone need 7str to function in this game? All characters can be played with the starting gear they are given. Game is more about buffs than gear.

[Jigga]

Nope, AC/HP is better then STR for a tank. Obviously.

Str is better for tanks who ninja loot so they can carry all the items

[Polixenes]

Any droppable item you get NBG which might get replaced later by another NBG loot is going to end up as cash in the looter's pocket.

All those melee who got given free Yaks/FBSS at the expense of the casters in their NBG groups are going to sell those for cash or give them to their twinks once they get their Kunark upgrades. Unless they wrote down the names of the group members so they could split the cash with them 12 months later (haha) those NBG items are just ending up as greed items.

NBG has never made sense to me in 12 years of EQ.

[justin6764]

It just sucks cause my roll was so amazing vs all of their's lol

[casdegere]

This is another example of the loot rules not being well established or agreed upon followed by greedy, childish behavior. Many friend/guildees, what have you needed a healer and grouped a Druid. The Druid took exception to the ring being NBG'd. Regardless of the circumstances, everyone rolled. I don't understand a limited NBG roll. (Meaning that melees who need, roll?) I don't think that's fair. Either everyone agrees to NBG or Greed, not some quasi version of it. Partial guild groups appear to be taking advantage of people of late when it comes to loot distribution. Disclose up front how your going to screw someone over on loot drops please so that person can decide to stay or go. Not use them to make the group survivable then screw them over.

[Dantes]

This isn't ninja looting. Ninja looting is sneaky. Like I run into your camp, your mob has been sitting there open, I steal your item and run away. Or, I'm a caster in your group, item drops, I loot, gate, and log. That's ninja. Or I'm a warrior in your group, I loot the item without saying a word and then run to the zone, training the entire way. That's "Jacking Chan" ninja looting because it's comical.

This is another case of somebody claiming they "deserve" the item more than anybody else and keeping it to themselves. It's more like Samurai Looting. Those Samurai are a bunch of high and mighty bastards.

[Juda]

This isn't ninja looting. Ninja looting is sneaky. Like I run into your camp, your mob has been sitting there open, I steal your item and run away. Or, I'm a caster in your group, item drops, I loot, gate, and log. That's ninja. Or I'm a warrior in your group, I loot the item without saying a word and then run to the zone, training the entire way. That's "Jacking Chan" ninja looting because it's comical.

This is another case of somebody claiming they "deserve" the item more than anybody else and keeping it to themselves. It's more like Samurai Looting. Those Samurai are a bunch of high and mighty bastards.




god i hope this is a joke

[Knuckle]

this thread is lol because:

qq about terrible item being ninja looted
terrible druid won roll for non druid ring
terrible druids response 'i dont have a ring lol'

4/10

[Daldolma]

This is another example of the loot rules not being well established or agreed upon followed by greedy, childish behavior. Many friend/guildees, what have you needed a healer and grouped a Druid. The Druid took exception to the ring being NBG'd. Regardless of the circumstances, everyone rolled. I don't understand a limited NBG roll. (Meaning that melees who need, roll?) I don't think that's fair. Either everyone agrees to NBG or Greed, not some quasi version of it. Partial guild groups appear to be taking advantage of people of late when it comes to loot distribution. Disclose up front how your going to screw someone over on loot drops please so that person can decide to stay or go. Not use them to make the group survivable then screw them over.

No, it's really not. Every single person in the group, including the druid, knew it was NBG. There are three different group members, Zoolex not included, that have posted in this thread saying exactly that. In the screenshot, the druid defends his roll on the basis of NBG. Everyone knew it was NBG. The rules were clearly well established. And the druid didn't even take issue with NBG. It's not like he said "I never agreed to NBG, that's unfair -- I want to roll." He tried to use NBG to narrow the roller-pool down to 2. He rolled under NBG, against the only melee in the group, and then defended it by saying he had no ring slot *roll eyes*. The rest of the group rolled afterwards on behalf of the tank to try to kill the issue.

The only issue here is whether or not a druid has a right to roll need on a Gem Encrusted Ring. A bunch of people are unnecessarily raging against NBG -- it's not the issue. NBG was agreed upon ahead of time. Whether it's a stupid system or not is immaterial. This situation is equivalent to a wizard rolling NBG on a Thick Banded Belt. It's horseshit, and everyone in the group knew it was horseshit. It had nothing to do with being guildies or friends.

All I can say is either some of you aren't keeping up with the details of this situation, or some of you need to have this happen to you in-game to understand exactly what just went down. The funny thing is, I know some of you in game, and you are NOT the type of people that would claim need on an item that is useless to your class. Which makes it all the more perplexing that you're defending it. You're the exact type of people that would get screwed by a person like OP. (That's a compliment).

[nalkin]

My point is that if the logic used in the group is bad enough to state a NBG system, then the logic used by the druid to claim "need" on GER isn't that much of a stretch. Under dumb logic dumb things are possible. Not only that, statistically the ring was more of an upgrade for him and probably a downgrade for the warrior.

A tank who wants outright loot privileges on a ring that is a statistical downgrade is not greedy. But a druid, who has put equal time and effort into the group, who wants a fair roll on the ring is greedy. How?

[baalzy]

NBG is pure stupidity in pickup groups. Going to say it again. Everyone worked on getting that item to drop in the first place.

Just because some random J-hole didn't bother to farm for themselves and has worse gear than I do doesn't mean they should get it just because it's an upgrade for them and not one for me. I still spent time elsewhere to earn my gear, they did not, I'm entitled to a chance at recovering my time invested.

People shouldn't be automatically rewarded for being lazy about their characters. In cases where an item that could sold and used to upgrade 3-4 slots on another character you're just being a complete dick to expect somebody to just give you the item without having a fair shot at it.

I have a farming toon and can make plat to outfit my alts and will likely pass anything thats only worth a few hundred plat to somebody who can make use of it, but that's my decision to do so. If someone in the group wants to roll on it so they can sell it I don't have a problem with it either.

Also, to add to the argument of 'need'. I find myself often 'needing' more strength for carrying loot when I'm soloing then i 'need' the extra HP i get out of my adamantite ring and if I had this ring I'd probably use it just as much or more than my other ring.

[tristantio]

The GER is an item with a sale value much higher than the upgrade value in almost all scenarios (excluding a purchaser who needs a top AC item in that slot - likely not the case here as the 5ac/55hp are better).

The GER would provide more upgrades in total for a tank or a druid if it were to be sold at market value and those proceeds invested in other more modestly priced gear/upgrades.

I don't see why NBG should be used at a camp with such a specific set of drops. Do people typically camp FBSS or other high auction items as NBG?

I don't think so.

There is absolutely no question that this is going to be auctioned, and nothing is wrong with that (as that is the best use of "need" on this item as possible), however it is being auctioned by a thief, not the legitimate winner of the roll.

[Messianic]

I think it's hilarious to say that any player "needs" anything in this game.

[Polixenes]

NBG is pure stupidity in pickup groups. Going to say it again. Everyone worked on getting that item to drop in the first place.

Just because some random J-hole didn't bother to farm for themselves and has worse gear than I do doesn't mean they should get it just because it's an upgrade for them and not one for me. I still spent time elsewhere to earn my gear, they did not, I'm entitled to a chance at recovering my time invested.

People shouldn't be automatically rewarded for being lazy about their characters. In cases where an item that could sold and used to upgrade 3-4 slots on another character you're just being a complete dick to expect somebody to just give you the item without having a fair shot at it.

I have a farming toon and can make plat to outfit my alts and will likely pass anything thats only worth a few hundred plat to somebody who can make use of it, but that's my decision to do so. If someone in the group wants to roll on it so they can sell it I don't have a problem with it either.

Also, to add to the argument of 'need'. I find myself often 'needing' more strength for carrying loot when I'm soloing then i 'need' the extra HP i get out of my adamantite ring and if I had this ring I'd probably use it just as much or more than my other ring.

I totally agree with this. You could get a character to L60 wearing patchwork and a fine steel weapon and then just waltz into loot camps and make a mockery of other players' hard work via NBG (ok I said 'hard work' but you know what I mean: they took their time to gear up their characters appropriately as they went through the levels).

To me, NBG is an unfair system of loot distribution.

As king of the server I hereby abolish NBG. That is all.

[Bruno]

I think it's hilarious to say that any player "needs" anything in this game.

If we all ran around naked we wouldn't have this problem.

[Pyroblam]

If we all ran around naked we wouldn't have this problem.

Get naked, start revolution. Got it.

[Messianic]

If we all ran around naked we wouldn't have this problem.

No, but if you consider every non-no drop item a piece of value as opposed to something a certain class "needs" and other classes are just being "greedy" by wanting equal value for their time, you understand why NBG begets abuse.

Get naked, start revolution. Got it.

I like this idea.

[Bruno]

No, but if you consider every non-no drop item a piece of value as opposed to something a certain class "needs" and other classes are just being "greedy" by wanting equal value for their time, you understand why NBG begets abuse.

I was being facetious. I'm sure everyone is over this thread already.

[Giddian]

So if this GER isnt an upgrade to the ring that jewelcrafters make why is it selling for so much? Trying to understand the value here...

[soup]

So if this GER isnt an upgrade to the ring that jewelcrafters make why is it selling for so much? Trying to understand the value here...

Value of items in the EQ economy is about a lot more than just how useful or good it is.

[Giddian]

Could you elaborate please?

[Kassel]

So if this GER isnt an upgrade to the ring that jewelcrafters make why is it selling for so much? Trying to understand the value here...

Value is based on perceived rarity once removed from the game, just like rubicite which is basically fancy fine plate not counting the bp. It is a pretty nice ring for rogues but i would not pay more than 1k for 2 more str.

[Nagash]

No, it's really not. Every single person in the group, including the druid, knew it was NBG. There are three different group members, Zoolex not included, that have posted in this thread saying exactly that. In the screenshot, the druid defends his roll on the basis of NBG. Everyone knew it was NBG.


Then NBG it was. By the way, can you clarify how you know this druid didn't need it? Where you in his mind or something? If he reckons he needs it (as long as he can use it) then he needs it and is entitled to roll on it, end of story. I'm not aware of anyone on the server who would have been granted some kind of supreme decisive power enabling them to decide for others what they are allowed to need or want. Did I miss something?

You mentionned Democracy in page 5, yet you want to instigate a system where some can decide the needs of others... You also seem to be a very proud citizen of the USA (nothing wrong with that) so may I ask you a question: were you involved in any way, shape or form into determining the foreign policy of your previous President because I certainly see some similarities between your way of thinking? I guess you weren't and simply didn't realise how incoherent what you wrote was. I'll stop this point right here as I suspect it is more appropriate for the Off Topic forum and I don't want to derail Justin's post.

Back to the topic: tell you what, I'd bet my shirt that if I track Zoolex and inspect him, he doesn't wear the ring.

I'll second two things that have been said:
First it's CAWU or FFA (I don't remember seeing NBG in a group until way later in EQ, don't ruin my Classic experience :P)
Secondly, remember PUG = Thug, Mate = Donate

From this last point, I can only conclude that:
- Zoolex is a thug (or a ninja if that makes any semantic difference in this context)
- You guys didn't abide by your own way of thinking: why rolling if you reckon you're not entitled to it? It's pretty easy to try to make it look good afterward by saying you were rolling for Zoolex. Maybe you were, maybe you weren't. I tend to believe the later.
- Justin, you have been a fool but hey ho, at least you learned a lesson the hard way: don't try to mix PUB and any form of NBG. If it's droppable, roll fot it but by the same token don't cry if a warrior wins some GEB over you ^_^

Anyway, I'm back to eating some cookies.

Nagash/Petitpas

[Giddian]

So it appears to be more about trade value than use value on this particular item.

[baalzy]

GER has high AC and a good amount of Str for a ring slot. It's a nice twink item for DPS'ing but will likely be replaced at end-game because other gear + buffs will put you at 255 str anyways. However, since it eventually gets removed entirely from the game the value of it has inflated. Once the devs flip the switch, no more of these rings will enter the game and the total number in circulation will only decrease since some will inevitably be destroyed by people quitting the game or what have you.

Forest loop is a great ear-piece for any wis caster, the highest I've seen it on sale for was 1k and it's just as common at the moment as the GER. Why isn't it selling for 5k+? Because it will always drop so its perceived value is lower, because more can always be farmed if need be.

But you're correct Giddian, your typical player (even if they're a DPS class) is likely to get more benefit out of selling the ring and buying different equipment than keeping the ring for personal use.

[Quasimojo]

Can people just stop doing NBG groups so things like this wouldn't happen. NBG is dumb on anything worth decent value.

Anyway, what is funny is that the druid who won the roll could probably make a more legitimate claim to NBG than the tank who ninjad the ring. The druid didn't have a ring, and I am guessing that the tank already had some rings and just wanted an upgrade. Not only that, +STR aint really important for a tank, but how many casters out there get tired of dealing with encumbrance?

So, to me it looks like the druid won both NBG and rolls.

This. Spending your game life encumbered sucks. That spells need as well as any other case that can be made in an RPG.

[justin6764]

Read up

[dredge]

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[Savok]

If it was a NBG group why was there even a call to roll? Need would mean you need it more. Normally I would say you link what your replacing (or not in the case of the druid) and decide who needs it more.

As soon as a call to roll is made all bets are off IMO, greed just took over.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Are PUGs defaulting T-staffs to Monks now as a general rule? Just wondering.

[Bruno]

Yes.

Just roll a monk or buy one with plat and you will get one.

[Wudan]

313 fcuk Zoolex
313 fcuk Zoolex
313 fcuk Zoolex

[justin6764]

313 fcuk Zoolex
313 fcuk Zoolex
313 fcuk Zoolex

I agree

[Asher]

I'll second two things that have been said:
First it's CAWU or FFA (I don't remember seeing NBG in a group until way later in EQ, don't ruin my Classic experience :P)
Nagash/Petitpas

It was NBG on Prexus in '99. I have never heard of CAWU but I have heard of FFA.

Asher

[soup]

so every Tank should have a mage or necro alt to farm gear?

recovering time invested?
dude, it's a game, if you don't enjoy grouping then solo to your greedy heart's content.

A tank wearing heavy ass armor has more need then a freaking greedy druid.
The druid should not have been allowed to roll.

NBG is how all groups should work but your all a bunch of children in a sandbox that never learned how to share your toys.

The tank shouldn't have ninja looted but the druid shouldn't have rolled in the first place.

If an item no matter what it's worth is not an upgrade then say I would like to roll on that if everyone else is but honestly I wouldn't use it and it would be for selling ect....

how hard is that kids?

"You all put in the time here working for this item to drop, and it's very valuable, but I have the crappiest gear right now, so that means the item should go straight to ME no questions asked. If you object YOU are the greedy one. The only fair and not greedy thing to do is give it straight to ME, no ifs, ands, or buts. You spent your time here and did your part and have the nerve to want a chance at loot? So greedy you are!"

That logic always makes me lol. "YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP BEING GREEDY AND GIVE THE ITEM TO MEEEEEE"

[justin6764]

oh?

[Guybrush]

I'm kind of surprised how many people in this thread are ragging on Need Before Greed. Are we even playing the same game? I've been in countless pick-up groups and can't remember a single one where items didn't go to people who were going to use them first. Even really expensive items.

[Mcbard]

I'm kind of surprised how many people in this thread are ragging on Need Before Greed. Are we even playing the same game? I've been in countless pick-up groups and can't remember a single one where items didn't go to people who were going to use them first. Even really expensive items.

The user base on these forums tends to be a minority of p99 players, not the majority. Either that, or people just flat out lie about stuff and claim all of their groups are greed when in fact they are not.

[Daldolma]

I'm kind of surprised how many people in this thread are ragging on Need Before Greed. Are we even playing the same game? I've been in countless pick-up groups and can't remember a single one where items didn't go to people who were going to use them first. Even really expensive items.

The only groups I've ever been in that have not been NBG were groups targeted at acquiring loot, like Efreeti. And I've even been in NBG Efreeti groups. But a general experience PuG, not camping any specific item(s)? Always NBG.

I'm not commenting on whether or not it's a good system. It is what it is. But people in this thread are acting like NBG is as foreign as just giving the item to whichever player has the longest name. The majority of PuGs on this server use NBG.

[Kassel]

i normaly just go with the flow, but i do find it hard to say, no Mr cleric you can not have the Donals helm that just droped you must roll the highest number. The key is to make sure the rules are discussed before hand, and we all know they never are.

[Nagash]

tell you what, I'd bet my shirt that if I track Zoolex and inspect him, he doesn't wear the ring.

Confirmed tonight...

Nagash/Petitpas

[Wudan]

NBF is BS! If I put in the time I should be allowed to roll on the loot, especialy if its an expensive item like this ring. I can always sell it and buy upgrades I need. GTFO with NBG, I do that with mates / guild, not in a damn pick up group - unless its discussed before of course.

[corradojeff]

Confirmed tonight...

Nagash/Petitpas

Haha ^ this is awesome. I have checked back on this post now and then to see how it is progressing and I am glad that you followed up on this.

Who actually though that this guy was going to "Need" this ring? "Oh i need it so I can switch out with my other great ring so I can use its strength benefits to carry my loads of loot"

Anyway, I have been grouping in FM with my alt since release of Kunark. I have not yet been lucky enough to win a roll on a GER, even though I have rolled on 10 or more of them (Unlucky I know...), and every single group I have been in has either stated at the start that it is FFA or when the ring drops they state FFA before rolling or it is just unspoken and someone says roll for ring. I must have been in close to 40 groups lvl 25-35 since Kunark release and not a single one of them has done NBG on the ring.

I agree that NBG is greedy. It is the most greedy way of doing loot. Personally, most of the time, I would defer the loot to someone who actually needed it. Most people who are not complete dick do but we should be given that choice. Unless it is a group of friends/guildies it should be FFA for all droppable and expensive (relative to level) items. The plat value of the item is just as needed by all members of the group.

I think both sides made mistakes but the random system was used and in any confusion the loot should have been differed by the ONLY concrete system in place which was the /random.

On another note; even if NBG was discussed beforehand and an item dropped, anyone should be able to rolled who decides at that point that they want to. Is it a dick move? Yeah. But it is still well within their right to do so.

[Giddian]

I will never buff him or give him a port until he gives the person he cheated a GER.

[Kika Maslyaka]

NBG is such a slippery issue...
It only truly works when all the sides involved actually agree on definition of NEED

I have witnessed first hand situation, when a NBG group willingly awarded a Noctivigant Blade to the only SK in the group, despite the fact that he already had similar of better weapon, and he promptly sold the blade in EC an hour later.

In my book that definitely doesn't qualify as Need.

This why, I have since them become a strong supporter of "everyone rolls" policy, unless some sort of SOLID agreement has been worked out before hand, like:

- we, as group, going to this camp X, where items A, B, and C drop, and we before hand agree, that first drop of item A goes to Cleric, first drop of B goes to Warrior, and first drop of C goes to Necro. Beyond that all drops will be rolled on, until every one in the group gets at least 1 item worth of loot.

[thefloydian]

The druid saying "I don't have a ring, lol" is the best part of this entire saga. Everyone just bag all your shit before you join a NBG group from now on.

[Shizzam]

dumb druid

[corradojeff]

The druid saying "I don't have a ring, lol" is the best part of this entire saga. Everyone just bag all your shit before you join a NBG group from now on.

Actually I think the druid saying that was valid. You have a warrior who already has decent/good gear and a comparable ring to the GER (just in defferent ways like STR vs. AC or something) and a druid who doesnt even have a ring cause he probably couldn't afford it.

I would say the druid "Needed" the ring more because he didnt even have slots with gear in it. At least more so than the warrior who just needed a spare ring to swap out when he needed a couple extra str

[shuklak]

Actually I think the druid saying that was valid. You have a warrior who already has decent/good gear and a comparable ring to the GER (just in defferent ways like STR vs. AC or something) and a druid who doesnt even have a ring cause he probably couldn't afford it.

I would say the druid "Needed" the ring more because he didnt even have slots with gear in it. At least more so than the warrior who just needed a spare ring to swap out when he needed a couple extra str
I was using a cutthroat ring (i think) at like level 12 that I got off a vendor for probably 1 plat. It only had 1 ac and 2 dex, but the point is an empty slot is purely someone's choice. You don't have to go to EC and drop 500pp to fill any slot. By the time you're 20, it doesn't matter what class you are — you've camped enough spots to get basic loot (bronze, chain, cloth, crap stat stuff) or you've made at least a couple hundred pp to buy something. I'm not talking you can buy good stuff, but i am saying if you have an empty slot it's because you chose to keep it that way in spite of readily available options.

[thefloydian]

There is no way you make it that far in EQ without having multiple opportunities to acquire a ring. I mean, for fuck's sake, what does a +wis ring cost from a jeweler? Like 20 plat?

[Wudan]

dumb druid

sorry to break the bubble for you....it is you who is dumb :p

[Nagash]

Haha ^ this is awesome. I have checked back on this post now and then to see how it is progressing and I am glad that you followed up on this.

I admit I haven't actively looked for him but it so happened that he was hunting at the Sarnak fort in LOIO like me and just poped on my tracker so I thought "Let's see..."

Nagash/Petitpas, lazy druid

[Giddian]

My 29 druid does not have any rings yet. I have bought the sharkbone warhammer and charred guardian shield so far but havent put the time into filling the ring slots yet...

[Quasimojo]

The druid saying "I don't have a ring, lol" is the best part of this entire saga. Everyone just bag all your shit before you join a NBG group from now on.

Actually I think the druid saying that was valid. You have a warrior who already has decent/good gear and a comparable ring to the GER (just in defferent ways like STR vs. AC or something) and a druid who doesnt even have a ring cause he probably couldn't afford it.

I would say the druid "Needed" the ring more because he didnt even have slots with gear in it. At least more so than the warrior who just needed a spare ring to swap out when he needed a couple extra str

Don't know whether he needed it "more" or not, but it's pretty clear that the need was there. If STR wasn't valid for a druid, then 0 STR wouldn't affect them, yet it does.

As far as bagging your stuff goes, anyone could do that with any of their gear. Of course then you're playing with crap gear, just on the chance that something drops you can sell and you survive to roll on it. What kind of stunted logic is that??

[xshayla701]

Are PUGs defaulting T-staffs to Monks now as a general rule? Just wondering.

Hell no, a while ago a monk in my group was all "lol if t-staff drops I'm looting it." I'd be crazy if I didn't disband and reform the group. If you want loot, get a guild or a few friends together.

[philbertpk]

Hell no, a while ago a monk in my group was all "lol if t-staff drops I'm looting it." I'd be crazy if I didn't disband and reform the group. If you want loot, get a guild or a few friends together.

this. /thread

[Bubbles]

i normaly just go with the flow, but i do find it hard to say, no Mr cleric you can not have the Donals helm that just droped you must roll the highest number. The key is to make sure the rules are discussed before hand, and we all know they never are.

I think if you are ever in a group where a cleric is a. ) wearing a donal's helm of mourning over a nightshade wreath/plat tiara/skull shaped barbute or b. ) Claiming he needs a donal helm for anything other than the personal satisfaction of click-deleting it...

Gate... Run.. Sneak/hide to zone in.. Whatever it takes. Disaster is soon to follow. Bonus points if he's a dorf and wielding a screaming mace.

[dunevenker]

As some one who has been in the party for hours I would like to point out it has been announced to each new member the following:

Vendor items are greed roll
The ring, rare earring and one other item are NBG
Need before Greed (nbg) were agreed upon to not mean 'fill an emptly slot' as the druid claimed to have, but rather to fill the STATS needed by each class.

As the GER is a fantastic upgrade for any tank-type class I can't understand a Druid attempt to need roll.

My dear druid: this is a +7 str ring. While I understand that this is a 4.5k ring and you'd love to auction it, please respect that these rules were established by the group well before the item was even in play.


Dear devs: I am Shri in the group. I'm aware the druid may be upset that they didn't understand the term 'nbg', however it was clearly stated throughout the group this evening.

If it was need before greed, then why did YOU roll?
Shri is a shaman. Why do you need that ring?
A ninja is a ninja. Period.

[Humerox]

I think if you are ever in a group where a cleric is a. ) wearing a donal's helm of mourning over a nightshade wreath/plat tiara/skull shaped barbute or b. ) Claiming he needs a donal helm for anything other than the personal satisfaction of click-deleting it...

Gate... Run.. Sneak/hide to zone in.. Whatever it takes. Disaster is soon to follow. Bonus points if he's a dorf and wielding a screaming mace.

What about AC hoors that have plenty of wis?

:o

[mrgoochio]

Hell no, a while ago a monk in my group was all "lol if t-staff drops I'm looting it." I'd be crazy if I didn't disband and reform the group. If you want loot, get a guild or a few friends together.

last 5 lcy groups i joined all had monks calling dibs on tstaff if it dropped. every group seemed to be okay with it. puzzles me

[gnomishfirework]

last 5 lcy groups i joined all had monks calling dibs on tstaff if it dropped. every group seemed to be okay with it. puzzles me

Well, you know they wouldn't be likely to sell it at least.

[baalzy]

Why not?

Some people are dicks and Tstaff prices will likely go down more since it's an item that never stops dropping. Why not sell now, then go back and get another if people will continue to pass them to you for free?

[ryandward]

I never do NBG. Ever.

[Tiggles]

I never do NBG. Ever.

Young Necro

[ryandward]

Young Necro

No, most people will wind up selling their stuff even if they really can use it. The first high-roller item they get, they will sell and roll a toon that they really wanted. Seen this a lot.

[baalzy]

he means you necro'd this post, which had died a long time ago.

[ryandward]

oh, I thought he was calling me a Necro from Young.

[Sprout]

i have no idea whats going on

[Tiggles]

oh, I thought he was calling me a Necro from Young.

I'm going to msg you via Skype and call you a big idiot.

[Athosblack]

Edited...NBG = Need before Greed. understood.

[Ennoia]

NBG is loser WoW talk. In EverQuest it's FFA (Free For All) or CAWU(Can and Will Use...hence the WILL USE part).

[Athosblack]

I can recall NBG from EQ back in the day, so to say it's loser WoW talk sounds kinda dumb to me.

It's rather contentious though. I would say if it's droppable it's rollable. Unless the group majority decides otherwise.

[azeth]

Can anyone seriously defend using NBG versus Greed?

Reasons why you should always use Greed in PUGS:

1. There is a slim to zero chance that the item drop is an end-game slot replacement for anyone in your group, regardless if they can currently wear/use it.
1A. If the item is not a finite replacement, it will inevitably be sold or traded.

2. On the premise that - melee become more powerful with levels & gear, casters become more powerful with levels and spells - Most item camps will favor the melee in your PUG, ignoring this and proceeding with NBG will deter needed casting classes from joining.

3. Why should you think anyone else in your PUG remotely wants you to, or needs you to get better gear at their expense? The idea that a PICK UP group should use NBG to ensure fair gear distribution is completely flawed given you likely will not group with these schmoes again - otherwise it wouldn't be a PUG.

Most folks go into PUGs not expecting much, the reason is that you often have a strange assemblance of classes/levels and skill level. That said, how would you feel in the situation where your PUG tank is completely slacking or just all around a bad player - then a tank item drops. So now not only has this idiot bothered you for the length of the group, perhaps even worsened the group overall, yet due to fucking NBG you must concede loot to him/her, when with little effort you could have sold it to benefit yourself.

I personally have been in ONE NBG group during my time on P99, and it was the KC group where the first ever Tranq Staff dropped. I conceded to allow the monk take it, however it was because he was an excellent player who fed our group experience with smart pulling, not because he was a monk.

[Aadill]

I personally have been in ONE NBG group during my time on P99, and it was the KC group where the first ever Tranq Staff dropped. I conceded to allow the monk take it, however it was because I was rich as fuck and never gave Aadill any of my money and/or gear.

:mad:

[visage]

:mad:

Yeah hes willing to bend the rules how he sees fit. Funny how we can preach values to others , yet when it comes to ourselfs we seem to manipulate all that we preach. Azeth is like the brad pit of Project 1999. So cool yet so suave, but seriusly you done yet?

[azeth]

:mad:

ladies and gentlemen, this man has a bow that crits for a million and knocks dragons backwards - i have no sympathy

[azeth]

Yeah hes willing to bend the rules how he sees fit. Funny how we can preach values to others , yet when it comes to ourselfs we seem to manipulate all that we preach. Azeth is like the brad pit of Project 1999. So cool yet so suave, but seriusly you done yet?

lol who IS this guy?

dont you only troll the RL pic thread?

[Aadill]

<3 u

also: not sure about Brad Pitt comment. Kinda weird.

ladies and gentlemen, this man has a bow that crits for a million and knocks dragons backwards - i have no sympathy

I just want to point out that it makes them float. Way cooler than knockback.

[visage]

lol who IS this guy?

dont you only troll the RL pic thread?

No silly. I seem to be taking on new feats. I'm sorry my photos were not up to your standards. I figured with your boasting about how much money and how good looking your wife is. You would maybe throw me a bone or two like the rest of your possey.

[azeth]

some pretty powerful trolling going on here.

i really am sorry, for whatever it is I did, to so thoroughly piss you off.

[visage]

some pretty powerful trolling going on here.

i really am sorry, for whatever it is I did, to so thoroughly piss you off.

No =) I even offered a hug.

[Nagash]

Holy cow Batman, that's some high level necromancy I jsut witnessed here :)

[Baa]

oh, I thought he was calling me a Necro from Young.

Wow this made my day, page 14 for the win...