What are the "rules" for camps that can contain multiple spawn locations/placeholders

[Delacroix]

I try to respect people's camps, because I've seen how shitty some people can be when they don't, and it's very irritating. Standard camps make sense and I think it's just takes basic common courtesy to not be an asshat and everyone will be happy. But what about camps such as the Hunter/Forager cycle in TT? Or Quillmane? Camps with placeholders and multiple potential spawn points.

Can someone claim the "Quillmane camp" while all of their placeholders remain off limits regardless of where they spawn? Can someone do the same with the cycle in TT? Or is it more of a first to engage type of ordeal in situations like this?

[nyclin]

TT cycles have always been FTE

Quillmane is weird because previously it's depended on which GM you end up talking to (like a lot of things...), but the most common response has been: if you have people at all 3 spawn locations, with a 4th killing PHs, then you can claim it as "camped." if you're soloing it, it becomes FTE. makes very little sense logically, but there it is.

[indiscriminate_hater]

defining "camped" as maintaining a presence at all spawn points and clearing all pops makes logical sense to me

[feniin]

Anyone who takes someone else's Quillmane is a shitbird.

[Arm_Chair_Hero]

Anyone who takes someone else's Quillmane is a shitbird.

[waffel]

Anyone who takes someone else's Quillmane is a shitbird.

What if I’m running through the zone and see him? Do I ask the zone “hey who’s quillmane is this?” And get bullshit replies?

[Jibartik]

defining "camped" as maintaining a presence at all spawn points and clearing all pops makes logical sense to me

This works for me, but I prefer a single spawn being able to be camped so long as someone wants to sit on it and is able to clear it.

I feel on a server this old with a population this big and a timeline that lasts literally as long as you want it to it seems... that if someone wants to take the JBB if I am camping the Hero then so be it, they should have that right.

This is just a stupid hobby and none of it matters.

[Legidias]

Not to mention if you ooc quillmane up and someone says theyre camping him, you can't really be sure they're camping him...

[Jibartik]

Not to mention if you ooc quillmane up and someone says theyre camping him, you can't really be sure they're camping him...

Ive done qm solo more than a few times and if you do that, and dont expect at least a few of them to be sniped, and you didn't schedule at least 8 hours today to farm your cloak, well then that's on you.

Again you have the rest of your life, chill. Enjoy the blue sky and bark shields.

[Maliant]

I was running through SK on my level 30 necro to hunt some gnome outside splitspaw when I saw this cool looking flying bird. I had no idea what it was it conned even to me so I decided to try to kill it. Was a tough fight and I ended it with 0 mana and not much more health. Dropped the cloak. Farming specters at level 40 some other necro seemed surprised I had lev before I was DMf level. Ended up MQing to a mage and funded my pre nerf CoS.

[Arm_Chair_Hero]

I dont understand the logic here. If you find Quillmane up. Chances are he was spawned by someone killing the two PHs... There is the rare one in plenty chance that he was left up after someone was done with their camp... A rare chance...

When you come across him, and you haven't been taking the time to kill PHs and spawn the beast, you should just leave it the heck alone, because its likely someone else put in the work to get the fucker to spawn, and they'll probably show up soon anyways. Theres no justifying it with, "well someone could be lying about camping him"... "So i'd rather kill it than them"...

If you find a Quillmane up and want to make absolutely sure, go ahead and ooc "is anyone camping quillmane?" Its an ambiguous question and it doesnt necessarily imply that you found one up. It appears simply as someone wanting to find out if he's currently being camped, because they might be interested in also camping him. If someone responds, send them a tell with your location. Help em out.

[Tethler]

I dont understand the logic here. If you find Quillmane up. Chances are he was spawned by someone killing the two PHs... There is the rare one in plenty chance that he was left up after someone was done with their camp... A rare chance...

When you come across him, and you haven't been taking the time to kill PHs and spawn the beast, you should just leave it the heck alone, because its likely someone else put in the work to get the fucker to spawn, and they'll probably show up soon anyways. Theres no justifying it with, "well someone could be lying about camping him"... "So i'd rather kill it than them"...

If you find a Quillmane up and want to make absolutely sure, go ahead and ooc "is anyone camping quillmane?" Its an ambiguous question and it doesnt necessarily imply that you found one up. It appears simply as someone wanting to find out if he's currently being camped, because they might be interested in also camping him. If someone responds, send them a tell with your location. Help em out.

Nah, Quillmane is FTE. Because he's up doesn't necessarily mean someone was/is camping him. Low levels could have killed the animals causing Quill to spawn. If there are enough people camping it (one at each spawn point) that they can legit claim the camp, it won't be roaming anyway.

Is it polite to ask? sure. Do you have to? No.

[Swish2]

Nah, Quillmane is FTE. Because he's up doesn't necessarily mean someone was/is camping him. Low levels could have killed the animals causing Quill to spawn. If there are enough people camping it (one at each spawn point) that they can legit claim the camp, it won't be roaming anyway.

Is it polite to ask? sure. Do you have to? No.

P99 in a nutshell.

[Tethler]

P99 in a nutshell.

Meh, it is what it is. To just leave Quillmane when you see it because "someone might be camping it" is so passive that it's a bit comical. If you're that worried about it, follow it around for 5 mins and see if anyone shows up. If they do, then it was someone who was camping it, or someone else running by who will now get the spawn instead of you.

[feniin]

Or you could just /ooc "quillmane camped?"

[Tethler]

Or you could just /ooc "quillmane camped?"

Sure, to claim it as camped, you need to have a person parked at all 4 spawns (or 3? i forget, its been a while since i tried to farm quill) though. if you have a person at each spawn, then it isn't gonna be roaming.

[feniin]

Anyone who takes someone else's Quillmane is a shitbird.

[aaezil]

If quillmane is up long enough for a rando to happen by and kill it then you arent really camping it now are you

[Tethler]

While I agree with you in theory Feniin, it's just not the nature of this particular camp due to the spawn mechanics. Giving any quill that spawns to whoever claims to be camping it is fine if a) you're generous, and b) you trust that they aren't bullshitting you when you ask if it's camped. If I'm trying to spawn quill and someone comes across one wandering before I get to it first, I am in no way entitled to that mob if I don't engage it first. I wouldn't expect anyone to just give it to me, though it would be cool of them if the did.

It's just one of those frustrating camps. If you approach it knowing that other people are just gonna kill it if they see it, you aren't gonna be so triggered when it actually happens (though it's still annoying).

It's not ideal, it's just a realistic approach based on server rules.

[Arm_Chair_Hero]

Nah, Quillmane is FTE. Because he's up doesn't necessarily mean someone was/is camping him. Low levels could have killed the animals causing Quill to spawn. If there are enough people camping it (one at each spawn point) that they can legit claim the camp, it won't be roaming anyway.

Is it polite to ask? sure. Do you have to? No.

First of all, "Rules" and FTE or not, my post is about decency. Most will probably care less if the dude who snipes their quillmane says "Nah, quillmane is FTE". You're probably going to get an earful.. You wanna be a decent player? First check to see if anyone's camping the damn thing... And be smart about it.

Second of all, lets be honest, not many lower level folks leveling in South Karana these days. And even if they are, theres not a lot of interest in calves and lionesses albeit the 2 PH's out of plenty roaming around... Super rare. I know you said it just for sake of argument, but it's not a good argument.

[Xaeophi]

Lol.. let me clear this up for you
So.. Forager/Hunter is usually always up and no one really makes a big deal about it since it takes like 30 seconds to get both of them if u have a ranger just find em and pull em.

Quillmane.. Now.. How most people camp quillmane is you have someone killing the PH which is like what.. a lioness or a calf or some shit right?
Now it can spawn in multiple locations. IF you have someone sitting at that spawn... Technically he is camping that spawn of quillmane.
Would he be allowed to kill that quillmane? I dont see why not. You're most likely far away from that spawn point if you're killing the PHs.
Ive solo camp quillmane and it sucks. Save some time and grab a few buddies to sit on the spawn points of quillmane and have someone else kill PHs. If you have every quillmane spawn location camped, I dont think someone can just run by and take it since you are camping that spawn point.

[pickled_heretic]

i spent a lot of time in sk leveling with a wiz. killed maybe two, three quillmanes? nobody said shit about em, and i was never trying to get him to spawn. random quillmane pops are probably a lot more common than you think they are. If they had been camped there's no way they'd have wandered as far away from their spawns as they were - around paw, sometimes headed north, sometimes headed south, meaning likely ran once all the way north, and they'd been up for at least several minutes.

[Muggens]

To just leave Quillmane when you see it because "someone might be camping it" is so passive that it's a bit comical

[feniin]

Basically boils down to two type of people:

Shitbirds that will take a Quillmane they see without asking if it belongs to someone

-or-

Wimps who would let someone else get the Quillmane because they don't want to offend.

[Jibartik]

Basically boils down to two type of people:

Shitbirds that will take a Quillmane they see without asking if it belongs to someone

-or-

Wimps who would let someone else get the Quillmane because they don't want to offend.

You could look it this way too:

there are people that get upset over everquest and there are winners.

sometimes you win at rng some times you dont.

you always lose when you're upset.

[Argh]

You're not really camping QM unless you have someone on each spawn point

[Jibartik]

My favorite citizens of norrath are the one that will see someone trying to spawn quilmain and then sit on one of the northernmost spawn points and cackle to themselves.

like the undead that scourge the lands

the cackling greedy pixel thieves scourge the playerbase

perfect balance of role play and immersion

it wouldnt be eq without em

[Delacroix]

lol this thread turned into a shit show, but alas, it is p99.

Either way I was only asking for a general recognized idea of what constitutes camping a camp like this. Looks like the only answer is, grab some friends and have them sit their happy asses everywhere or prepare to get pissed.

Sadly I am in a guild where no one does anything together, so the amount of time that people would actually want to hold hands and have fun killing a flying horse are maybe once a month. It's why I've yet to get my Epic even though I am 90%+ done with it. I think I need to find a new guild to call home.

[Tethler]

lol this thread turned into a shit show, but alas, it is p99.

Either way I was only asking for a general recognized idea of what constitutes camping a camp like this. Looks like the only answer is, grab some friends and have them sit their happy asses everywhere or prepare to get pissed.

Sadly I am in a guild where no one does anything together, so the amount of time that people would actually want to hold hands and have fun killing a flying horse are maybe once a month. It's why I've yet to get my Epic even though I am 90%+ done with it. I think I need to find a new guild to call home.

If you can get a full group out there with 2 ranger or bard trackers, you can knock out several cloaks in a reasonable time. Just tell people you'll stick around after you get yours to help with another drop or two and it will get people to bring their mains or alts out that need cloaks still.

[Menden]

TT cycles have always been FTE

Quillmane is weird because previously it's depended on which GM you end up talking to (like a lot of things...), but the most common response has been: if you have people at all 3 spawn locations, with a 4th killing PHs, then you can claim it as "camped." if you're soloing it, it becomes FTE. makes very little sense logically, but there it is.

This is how every staff member should be responding to it. The catch is, you better get FTE within a few seconds of QM spawning. If QM is pathing and someone else gets FTE, you're SOL.


Guidelines/rulings are handled this way to help prevent the need for any staff intervention. If you happen to be running through SK and see QM wandering around, kill it, then another player claims you KSd it how do you know they aren't lying? It's a big zone so that QM could have been wandering around for 10 minutes.

[loramin]

Thanks for making that official Senior Guide Menden! Quillmane has now been added to http://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules.

As a side note, you really should consider picking a forum icon: all your entries on http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings look so boring compared to the other GMs' ;)