Enchanters Should Be Nerfed on EQ TLP Servers

[JurisDictum]

Every round of new servers its the same BS. Enchanters trivializing the content by using overpowered charm mechanics on what should be a naked server capturing a more classic experience.

Flooding the economy with platinum from the Sea Furry Cyclopes out in OT and blazing through reds carrying classes that actually have to work for their power curb.

They should just get it down with and disable Charm for the first couple of months. Throw in Necro Charm too for fairness. It might actually be interesting keeping in Druid Charm, however. But I guess you could give them the same treatment even though its more limited in power.

Or maybe they should just butt fuck the class altogether and make charm shitty. Won't hear any complaints from me.

Because their are two eternal truths in life. The proletariat will rise. And Enchanters are overpowered in classic EQ.

[Dwarflord]

you cant capture a classic experience because all content is trivial, people play the strongest characters and know how to play.

back when eq was classic everyone was terrible, had no gear and generally wiped everyplace.

My advice to you is not to play those servers as they are just stay at home sons and 30 something career unemployeds

why bother?

[JurisDictum]

you cant capture a classic experience because all content is trivial, people play the strongest characters and know how to play.

back when eq was classic everyone was terrible, had no gear and generally wiped everyplace.

My advice to you is not to play those servers as they are just stay at home sons and 30 something career unemployeds

why bother?

The jokes on you. Because I was 30 and unemployed last I played those servers.

[Dwarflord]

you are probably still unemployed based on your posts

[JurisDictum]

you are probably still unemployed based on your posts

Which post says I'm unemployed to you? I'm curious.

[JurisDictum]

Just curious, are you very nice to strangers and people in general jurisdictum?

I really don't know to be honest. I tend not to accidentally offend people as much as others do I noticed. But I'm not always warm and friendly.

[branamil]

Imagine getting really upset that certain elfs have acquired more magical items on randomly generated server #672115

[JurisDictum]

Imagine getting really upset that certain elfs have acquired more magical items on randomly generated server #672115

I was actually annoyed when the price of Krono spiked up when I was selling pottery idols. This makes the window making Krono less profitable than it would be without Enchanters pouring PP in the economy.

But besides that. It's just right to balance out the game a bit so that one class isn't all powerful through PoP. It's about fairness and justice and shit.

[Thorondor]

everyone can play an enchanter.

play EQ2 or FFXIV if you want 30 different flavors of the same exact dps, utility, and healing thoroughput.

Fairness is what my children decry when they dont get to eat ice cream for breakfast.

[Wonkie]

everyone can play an enchanter.

play EQ2 or FFXIV if you want 30 different flavors of the same exact dps, utility, and healing thoroughput.

Fairness is what my children decry when they dont get to eat ice cream for breakfast.

equality of opportunity. you have the option to be an enchanter at birth.

I was actually annoyed when the price of Krono spiked up when I was selling pottery idols. This makes the window making Krono less profitable than it would be without Enchanters pouring PP in the economy.

But besides that. It's just right to balance out the game a bit so that one class isn't all powerful through PoP. It's about fairness and justice and shit.

equality of outcome. enchanters occupy the highest Zeitenreich and rightfully so. Maybe you should've been an enchanter?

[Thorondor]

equality of opportunity. you have the option to be an enchanter at birth.



equality of outcome. enchanters occupy the highest Zeitenreich and rightfully so. Maybe you should've been an enchanter?


Equality of opportunity? Lol. Honk honk.

[Mblake81]

you cant capture a classic experience because all content is trivial, people play the strongest characters and know how to play.

back when eq was classic everyone was terrible, had no gear and generally wiped everyplace.

You can emulate a game but you can't emulate the time it came from.

The Council, Raid on Castle Mistmore (http://familletaussig.org/~rulnak/Pictures/Council/Mistmoore/page/CouncilPictures_Mistmoore.html)

As a whole, the raid on Castle Mistmoore was a failure because most of us died at least once to the numerous trains of that dreadful place. Most uf us ended up leaving the place frustrated and with less experience than we had coming in. And that was with 3 full groups of level 30-50 characters, mind you...

Note: Looking at the screenshots I think this one represents what the original Infravision/ Heat Sight looked like to the player. Could see farther than a human, it wasn't pitch black and things had an orangish glow.

https://i.imgur.com/BHa4wxd.jpg

[Dwarflord]

nice epic everquest story

im sure the gm trained them

[JurisDictum]

"Anyone can play an Enchanter" does not address the point that it is indeed overpowered. This point is always uncontested because Enchanters are unquestionably overpowered and would be nerfed in any modern gaming scenario.

Nerfing Enchanters is the only correct course of action at this point. It will enhance classic gameplay, encourage rolling other classes, and make having an enchanter in the group more unique in rewarding in the long run.

[Jibartik]

I have an idea, lets take all the magic items out of the game cus its absurd that mortal men are killing gods and dragons in this fantasy video game.

[bigjeff100]

I really don't know to be honest. I tend not to accidentally offend people as much as others do I noticed. But I'm not always warm and friendly.

I like Mr. Dictum! No problems with the man here!

[Jibartik]

Druids: its not fair that enchanters can solo farm in dungeons *ports to merchant sells, ports back to solo camp at bear pit*
Melee class: Dies running past an aggro mob that cons blue.
Shaman: Literally tanking a dragon.
Monk: Literally tanking the Fungi King
Mage: Afk farming 5,000 plat goblin gazugi rings.
Bard: Gets 50 in 1 day

I mean do I need to keep going?












Wizards: Alt you do not log onto anymore.

[JurisDictum]

Druids: its not fair that enchanters can solo farm in dungeons *ports to merchant sells, ports back to solo camp at bear pit*
Melee class: Dies running past an aggro mob that cons blue.
Shaman: Literally tanking a dragon.
Monk: Literally tanking the Fungi King
Mage: Afk farming 5,000 plat goblin gazugi rings.
Bard: Gets 50 in 1 day

I mean do I need to keep going?










Wizards: Alt you do not log onto anymore.


None of that stuff really is present on Naked brand new servers. Enchanters basically ruin the feel of that unlike any of these other listed imbalances.

[Jibartik]

None of that stuff really is present on Naked brand new servers. Enchanters basically ruin the feel of that unlike any of these other listed imbalances.

At best the enchanter is more powerful at level 40 but like, my guy, they will have that edge for like 2 weeks, then everyone will 50.

I also dont think our player base is talented enough to play an enchanter unless its extremely twinked either :(

Can you name me 3 camps that enchanters are going to farm because they have a distinct advantage, that are going to break the game? Like what 3 camps being permafarmed by 1 person, vs 2 (like virtually any duo can farm anything an enchanter can farm) makes the game broken?

Pretty sure its the sick ass gear from kedge that the druids are going to flood the server with that make TLP's different from classic.

Hammerhead helms for all!

[Thorondor]

At best the enchanter is more powerful at level 40 but like, my guy, they will have that edge for like 2 weeks, then everyone will 50.

I also dont think our player base is talented enough to play an enchanter unless its extremely twinked either :(

Can you name me 3 camps that enchanters are going to farm because they have a distinct advantage, that are going to break the game? Like what 3 camps being permafarmed by 1 person, vs 2 (like virtually any duo can farm anything an enchanter can farm) makes the game broken?

Pretty sure its the sick ass gear from kedge that the druids are going to flood the server with that make TLP's different from classic.

Hammerhead helms for all!


He's just a jealous fruitcake. His entire worldview is predicated upon his covetous nature. No big shocker that it bleeds over to the video games he chooses to play as well.

[JayDee]

You really should roll enchanter as your first class if accumulating e-wealth is your thing

[Mblake81]

Druids: its not fair that enchanters can solo farm in dungeons *ports to merchant sells, ports back to solo camp at bear pit*
Melee class: Dies running past an aggro mob that cons blue.
Shaman: Literally tanking a dragon.
Monk: Literally tanking the Fungi King
Mage: Afk farming 5,000 plat goblin gazugi rings.
Bard: Gets 50 in 1 day

I mean do I need to keep going?

Wizards: Alt you do not log onto anymore.

That is almost word for word of a friend back in classic, cried about everyone having things. Would rant about how necros and monks can FD and it isn't fair... I finally got fed up and told him to ask for a game with the main warrior tank class to have every ability. He suffered from a legit inferiority complex. The character was him and he was less because another has something. We are not talking about jealousy or envy.

"Anyone can play an Enchanter" does not address the point that it is indeed overpowered. This point is always uncontested because Enchanters are unquestionably overpowered and would be nerfed in any modern gaming scenario.

Nerfing Enchanters is the only correct course of action at this point. It will enhance classic gameplay, encourage rolling other classes, and make having an enchanter in the group more unique in rewarding in the long run.

They were nerfed in later games, EQ 2 and pretty much (to my memory) there were no other classes with the makeup that original EQ classes had. They would be split or lessened in some way. Here we are playing this instead of those. They made WoW to suit this, vanilla soon for you guys.

[JurisDictum]

They can basically keep the game as is and remove charm for the first 2 months at launch. Wouldn't do much, except solve the fundamental problem; which is that charm is relatively too powerful at launch and is an exploit-friendly ability.

Someone brought up Duos like it was some kind of great point....failing to mention that most those duos either require exceptional gear or an Enchanter. Yes, Enchanter's are overpowered on naked servers alone, in a duo, or a full group.

It would take very little to solve this problem and their has yet to be any kind of reasonable argument against this.

[Mblake81]

They can basically keep the game as is and remove charm for the first 2 months at launch. Wouldn't do much, except solve the fundamental problem; which is that charm is relatively too powerful at launch and is an exploit-friendly ability.

Someone brought up Duos like it was some kind of great point....failing to mention that most those duos either require exceptional gear or an Enchanter. Yes, Enchanter's are overpowered on naked servers alone, in a duo, or a full group.

It would take very little to solve this problem and their has yet to be any kind of reasonable argument against this.

Or perhaps think of it as the game was back in 1999, when the internet was still novel and playing with other real people besides your friends or family in the same room with you.

I doubt when they created this game that they thought people would be playing it over and over and restarting over and over with every trick, mechanic, spawn etc memorized.

The real problem isn't that enchanters are OP, the real problem is MMORPG died and this is what we are left with, picking every part of the bone over and over because there is nothing else that satisfies.

[Wallicker]

I’m excited for Kunark on green, trakfest and cleric epicsock are going to be wholesomely healthy

[Dwarflord]

frog king camp is very fun and easy for ench and REALLY Shitty for anyone else

also without charmed pets sky is horrible so is hate and fear honestly. With a few pets its fun !

[Tethler]

I’m excited for Kunark on green, trakfest and cleric epicsock are going to be wholesomely healthy

I wonder if anyone is gonna be able to knock out a Kunark day 1 rogue epic..

[Lune]

All pipe dreams and not-classic but I feel like the game would be much better with a few simple changes to radical balance issues:

Ivandyr's Hoop lifetap (already implemented)
Spam clickies that trivialize content (mallets)
Enchanters being obviously overpowered, being the best at three roles (Crowd control, DPS, and mana regen) And really that's fine because class balance sucks in EQ in general and that's okay, but enchanter dps also trivializes content.

[Dwarflord]

All they have to do is put in random charm breaks and people will cry and play beastlords

[Rogean]

I remember Combine server in 2006, the first TLP. Magician pets were the thing then, so you'd see more mages than anything. But that was really the only thing that was overpowered for the era, other than there being various content things that got left in (Vorshar the Despised in Neriak, 2nd Floor Plane of Hate / Knight Weapons, some random augments with minor stats, and an instanced / monster mission for a decent earring).

Good times.

[Zalaerian]

Enchanter is always a default pick when building the stable. Silly not to

[Jibartik]

yeah but will Vorshar the Despised be on green hnhhhnnnggggg

[Mblake81]

I remember Combine server in 2006, the first TLP. Magician pets were the thing then, so you'd see more mages than anything. But that was really the only thing that was overpowered for the era

Good times.

The meta of gaming being so commonplace for 20+ years. There are things people do in P99 that I never seen in classic. My main was an enchanter and no one ever referred to them as OP or the class being OP. People do things with them, use them, little tricks that were just not commonplace knowledge back in the day.

For instance, I never used Charm. having such weak gear I died on just about any break (forget hasting something). Yeah, I sucked horribly. In hindsight I was a terrible enchanter.. I can recall maybe once or twice someone in group asked if I would charm a pet. I did not level him by charming things. Didn't get Jboots until 50, couldn't afford gems for Rune spells as my money was put into gear and spells. The idea of farming for plat like people do now was simply inconceivable to me back then. EQ was already a huge time sink (that I loved) grouping and xping. I played EQ from 2000-2002. Never knew recharging items was a thing until P99, a full decade after it mattered when a good deal of secrets were shared. Part of the charm was so much was not known by many.

The guys in this thread probably mean well and the changes they propose might make the game better but I have to say that none of that is what made EQ good in the first place (we had to root dragons here to just get back gameplay) Im not sure if I could point to any one thing that did but.. it was. Trying to always improve upon the lightning in the bottle has lead someone like me to a heavy frown of modern gaming in general.

[Jibartik]

Item recharging = WAY MORE over powered than enchanters.

Also nobody knew how to do that in classic so by that logic DELETE IT

Delete the server, nobody knew how to play EQ back then delete the server this whole thing isnt classic!

"This server isnt classic because when I play on it Im still old and not young and full of hope that I wont play this game for the rest of my life like I was on live."

[Mblake81]

Item recharging = WAY MORE over powered than enchanters.

Also nobody knew how to do that in classic so by that logic DELETE IT

Delete the server, nobody knew how to play EQ back then delete the server this whole thing isnt classic!

"This server isnt classic because when I play on it Im still old and not young and full of hope that I wont play this game for the rest of my life like I was on live."

Nah, the only things I have asked for here were aesthetics which can't happen and rooting the dragons / or trust busting the meta as three years was long enough, dragons was chosen. Not proud but it is nice wandering around NtOV during prime time. The players that matter to me have told me they like that change, mission accomplished.

Don't get it confused due to me giving JurisDictum shit and remembering how things were. Can't emulate the time the game came from.

[Dwarflord]

"This server isnt classic because when I play on it Im still old and not young and full of hope that I wont play this game for the rest of my life like I was on live."

Lol

whats sad is alot of the people who got hooked on online games never did anything with their lives

other then farm pointless treasure

[Jibartik]

"its not fair enchanters can charm"

*clicks root net to CC breaking into 6 spawn named camp

[JayDee]

Merchant recharging should have been nixed on day 1. I think it is tough at this point on blue because of the potential backlash from players who own puppet strings, healing words, bladestoppers, etc.

Definitely think it should be removed from green, but if green becomes blue at some point, we reach the same dilemma.

[Dwarflord]

there are other ways to recharge items that cost 0 money