What do you guys think the server split will be when Green goes live?

[Loadsamoney]

How many of you are going to migrate to Green, and how many of you are going to stay loyal to Blue? What do you predict the numbers will be?

[Jibartik]

I predict either 300 or 3,000

either way 100% bards

[Loadsamoney]

I predict either 300 or 3,000

either way 100% bards

Nah, mostly Druids and Monks I predict. Bard isn't that popular IIRC. Nobody likes to Twist.

[Jibartik]

No 100% bards I am a time traveler.

[Loadsamoney]

No 100% bards I am a time traveler.

Get me an autograph from Eddie Stanky while you're at it.

[Jibartik]

People always afraid to make tanks or melee classes on progression servers and the first 2 months is always groups of like 6 healers lol

[Osprey39]

It will be 100% to green as I heard that they are closing blue down.

[alphys]

Is there any truth that green will recycle into blue or is that unconfirmed rumor?

[Jibartik]

The only thing we really know as an indisputable fact is if you die on green99 you die IRL

[alphys]

I just want to sell my shit and find someone else to play 24/7 with until we die together ;3

[Nilstoniakrath]

How many of you are going to migrate to Green, and how many of you are going to stay loyal to Blue? What do you predict the numbers will be?

Yes

[Evia]

Truthfully?

I think blue will hover around 400-700 pop even after green launches. I think green will have 4k+ though and the p99 team will not be prepared for the amount of interest the server gets. I truly believe everyone is underestimating the amount of players that will arrive for green release. It'll be a cluster fuck and I'm totally ok with that!

[Ravager]

EC Tunnel on Blue will have 3000 players while they're grinding exp on Green.

[NegaStoat]

There's no point in speculating as to the server split until the P1999 staff announces the intention of Green and what happens at the end of its true timeline patch / expansion schedule.

[ScottBerta]

Loyal to blue

[migori]

People always afraid to make tanks or melee classes on progression servers and the first 2 months is always groups of like 6 healers lol

I knew I was the weird one starting as a tank!

[Jibartik]

Take a good look at red blue, it could happen to you.

[Loadsamoney]

Take a good look at red blue, it could happen to you.

Where's my Eddie Stanky autograph?

[Jibartik]

I don't know what that means!

[Loadsamoney]

I don't know what that means!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stanky

[Quinas]

Release: 2500 Green, 400 Blue
2 months later: 400 Green, 1400 Blue
Kunark release: 2500 Green, 400 Blue
2 months later: 1000 Green, 1000 Blue

And balance will thus be restored.

Heard it here first.

[Tethler]

People just gonna box both at the same time I bet. You KNOW some nerd is gonna be camping AC on both green and blue at the same time selling jboots MQ.

[zarza]

400green 700blue

[YendorLootmonkey]

49 green, 72 blue, 53,792 Pantheon

[TomisFeline]

I can't wait for prices to start on green where they currently are on blue for things like jboots mq

1600 green
500 blue

[Halfcell]

EC Tunnel on Blue will have 3000 players while they're grinding exp on Green.

This. I think a lot of people are going to be selling items on green for obscene amounts of plat on blue, so the EC tunnel on blue will be the only place you find people, other than the big time plat camps.

People know the real value of an item like a mana stone, but no one on Green is going to have 3-400k to pay for them. So people will sell for blue plat.

[Loadsamoney]

This. I think a lot of people are going to be selling items on green for obscene amounts of plat on blue, so the EC tunnel on blue will be the only place you find people, other than the big time plat camps.

People know the real value of an item like a mana stone, but no one on Green is going to have 3-400k to pay for them. So people will sell for blue plat.

I thought trading for plat across servers wasn't allowed? I.E trading blue plat/items for red plat/items.

[Voland]

Going to check out Green for sure, can’t wait!
Playing on a new server is always a blast, especially when is classic.

[honeybee12874]

There's no point in speculating as to the server split until the P1999 staff announces the intention of Green and what happens at the end of its true timeline patch / expansion schedule.

I'm so curious to know what happens at the end of Green's timeline. I'm really hoping it's not merged into Blue.

As to answer OP's question, I plan to stay on Blue. Unlike most players here, I never played on Live and just barely discovered P99 last year. So, there's still a ton of stuff I'm working on here and tons of places I haven't been yet. So, sticking with Blue!

[kjs86z]

Staying on blue.

[urbanbo]

Hopefully green gets wiped after each merge and starts over.

[Jibartik]

I'm so curious to know what happens at the end of Green's timeline. I'm really hoping it's not merged into Blue.

Out of curiosity, what are reasons people would not want green merged onto blue in 3 years?

[Osprey39]

Out of curiosity, what are reasons people would not want green merged onto blue in 3 years?

I haven't decided whether to make a character on green or not but I can tell you that if I did decide to, I would never want it moved to blue.

One of the main reasons I would be tempted to play on green is to have a fresh start away from all the bloated wallets of people that have been playing for 10 years that drive prices up. I've only just started playing on blue about 3 months ago maybe. My highest character is level 40 and I haven't gotten to the point where I can really start amassing a good deal of plat. Most things for sale in EC are more than I can afford or priced at silly prices due to the amount of virtual money in circulation (ie: Shralok Pack for 125 plat.)

Starting over on green would allow me and people like me that were late to the game to be on a level playing field with everyone else, at least at the beginning. Why on earth would you want that level playing field to go away at the end of 3 years? You wouldn't, or at least I wouldn't and I would think most people wouldn't. If it's going to go away at the end of 3 years, what's the point of even playing on green? I may as well just stay on blue with the characters I've already sunk time into.

[Quinas]

I haven't decided whether to make a character on green or not but I can tell you that if I did decide to, I would never want it moved to blue.

One of the main reasons I would be tempted to play on green is to have a fresh start away from all the bloated wallets of people that have been playing for 10 years that drive prices up. I've only just started playing on blue about 3 months ago maybe. My highest character is level 40 and I haven't gotten to the point where I can really start amassing a good deal of plat. Most things for sale in EC are more than I can afford or priced at silly prices due to the amount of virtual money in circulation (ie: Shralok Pack for 125 plat.)

Starting over on green would allow me and people like me that were late to the game to be on a level playing field with everyone else, at least at the beginning. Why on earth would you want that level playing field to go away at the end of 3 years? You wouldn't, or at least I wouldn't and I would think most people wouldn't. If it's going to go away at the end of 3 years, what's the point of even playing on green? I may as well just stay on blue with the characters I've already sunk time into.

The un-level playing field actually helps you to buy almost every single item except epic MQs, pre-nerf items, and high end Velious loot. The level playing field on Green will make every item that drops more valuable, and even if the number of platinum pieces is lower, the overall value of those platinum pieces will be higher.

[Jimjam]

There are lots of great reasons for green but "my level 40 can't afford to have a teenage Orc killed" is probably not one of them.

I haven't decided whether to make a character on green or not but I can tell you that if I did decide to, I would never want it moved to blue.

One of the main reasons I would be tempted to play on green is to have a fresh start away from all the bloated wallets of people that have been playing for 10 years that drive prices up. I've only just started playing on blue about 3 months ago maybe. My highest character is level 40 and I haven't gotten to the point where I can really start amassing a good deal of plat. Most things for sale in EC are more than I can afford or priced at silly prices due to the amount of virtual money in circulation (ie: Shralok Pack for 125 plat.)

Starting over on green would allow me and people like me that were late to the game to be on a level playing field with everyone else, at least at the beginning. Why on earth would you want that level playing field to go away at the end of 3 years? You wouldn't, or at least I wouldn't and I would think most people wouldn't. If it's going to go away at the end of 3 years, what's the point of even playing on green? I may as well just stay on blue with the characters I've already sunk time into.

[Osprey39]

The un-level playing field actually helps you to buy almost every single item except epic MQs, pre-nerf items, and high end Velious loot. The level playing field on Green will make every item that drops more valuable, and even if the number of platinum pieces is lower, the overall value of those platinum pieces will be higher.

I disagree. I see plenty of Kunark stuff going for over 10k. Can I buy noob gear like a Green Silken Drape for cheaper? Sure, I was actually given 2 of those on my new enchanter I just made. Nice, but it's not something I would use very long. Anything you might actually want to use long term is priced in the thousands. As I type this, there's a Girdle of Rapidity being auctioned for 25k. It's been a long time, but I don't recall much being priced in the thousands on VZ back when I started playing when Kunark first came out and that's because people weren't sitting on hundreds of thousands of plat.

The point remains, if you start on a fresh server then you have the same amount of time to amass wealth as everyone else. You're not starting where everyone else has up to 10 years head start on you in piling up cash.

[Tethler]

The point remains, if you start on a fresh server then you have the same amount of time to amass wealth as everyone else. You're not starting where everyone else has up to 10 years head start on you in piling up cash.

The opposite side of the coin is that there is plenty of servicable gear that can get you to 60 for dirt cheap because that gear has been farmed for 10 years. Sure, you wont have high end gear at level 40, but you also likely wont be in bronze armor like many will be on green.

[Jimjam]

Green drape is end game preplanar gear. The fact you perceive it as newb gear demonstrates to what degree the economy spoils us for anything but the most elusive equipment. On blue you won't use it for long. As you say. On green you're going to be stuck with that tier of gear for almost a year.

[Osprey39]

Green drape is end game preplanar gear. The fact you perceive it as newb gear demonstrates to what degree the economy spoils us for anything but the most elusive equipment. On blue you won't use it for long. As you say. On green you're going to be stuck with that tier of gear for almost a year.

Yeah because there's nothing better but that's not my point. My highest level character right now is my soon to be level 40 Ranger. I'd really like to have a Tolan's bracer for him when he hits level 45 and can use it but I don't have a mountain of cash that I can draw from to buy one and they go for about 5k. Sure I could try leveling places that are good for loot too but those places tend to be busy for obvious reasons. I can get 5k, I'm not trying to say I can't. What I am saying is that bracer costs 5k because there's lots of people that have tens of thousands of plat sitting in their banks. If you don't think the amount of currency in circulation has an effect on prices, just do a little research on the Weimar Republic. It makes prices increase (for goods/services that are of value anyway) and when you come into an economy like that with nothing, you're swimming upstream to obtain comparable equipment to what someone that has been playing here for 10 years can afford. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

On a fresh server, myself or any other player would have the same amount of time to amass wealth as anyone else. Whether you take advantage of that or not is another matter but you start even with everyone else on day 1. If you get put back into the bloated economy of blue after 3 years, your wealth relative to the rest of the server is going to go backwards. That's not arguable, it's a fact.

That's why I would not want to even bother with green if it's going to end up being merged with blue eventually. I may as well just stay on blue with the characters I've already invested time in.

As it stands now, all this talk of green being merged with blue seems to be, from what I've been able to tell by reading this forum, just rampant speculation from players. I've yet to see any comment from an admin saying that is the plan. Until I know what the plan is, I will remain on the fence about playing on green.

[Jimjam]

20 years farming plat also means 20 years farming bracers.

That said, sure there will be less plat on green some people might sell items for less, but the really valuable items will be traded by barter not for currency. Or just be used by people who loot them.

The people actually generating the items by clearing content need to saturate their own strata with desirable items before they will trickle down through sales. On blue you have items 15 levels higher than you, meaning anything you find is distributed for greed.

Furthermore, ignoring the fact that you've taken 4 months to hit 39 which calls into question if you have as much time available as everyone else, time isn't the main factor in ability to accumulate wealth. 4 people spending 4 hours on productivity in Eq is with more than one person putting in 16 elf hours.

With all due respect, good luck on getting your tolans bracer 4 months in to green

[Osprey39]

20 years farming play also means 20 years farming bracers.

That said, sure there will be less plat on green some people might sell items for less, but the really valuable items will be traded by barter not for currency. Or just be used by people who loot them.

The people actually generating the items by clearing content need to saturate their own strata with desirable items before they will trickle down through sales. On blue you have items 15 levels higher than you, meaning anything you find is distributed for greed.

Furthermore, ignoring the fact that you've taken 4 months to hit 39 which calls into question if you have as much time available as everyone else, time isn't the main factor in ability to accumulate wealth. 4 people spending 4 hours on productivity in Eq is with more than one person putting in 16 elf hours.

With all due respect, good luck on getting your tolans bracer 4 months in to green

You get too caught up in the items I use as examples to illustrate a point so that you don't see the point itself. Either that or you are just choosing to ignore it. And yeah, it took me 4 months to get to level 40 because the character that is about to hit 40 was like my 5th character as I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted to really level up. Now that those irrelevancies have been discussed...

Of course I won't be able to get a Tolan's bracer 4 months into green because they won't exist as it's from Kunark. It was just an example of an item I'd like to get. Substitute any desirable item from pre-Kunark in it's place if you'd like.

I understand what you're saying with it taking time for items to trickle down through greed rolls. That is the same regardless of what era the server is in and it's really not germane to the discussion. Items can and obviously do come available to purchase and it doesn't take that long.

My primary point in this whole discussion is that in a game economy that is bloated with cash, items that have inherent value cost more because there are a large amount of people with money to spend and that puts upward pressure on prices. This is basic macroeconomics. When you come into that economy with nothing as a new player, affording things many others will take for granted is harder for you. A fresh start on a new server means you come into the economy with nothing but so does everyone else. Where you go from there is up to you but at least you're not 10 years behind.

If you think that doesn't matter to someone who is new, let me ask you a couple questions. First, we have seen very recently a bunch of bannings for RMT transactions. Why would people spend real money on an emulated version of a 20 year old game? Secondly, who do you think most of the people buying stuff with real money were? Newer players or people that have been playing here for 10 years?

[Jimjam]

You're right, good luck buying your mama stone for 2000pp on green.

[honeybee12874]

Out of curiosity, what are reasons people would not want green merged onto blue in 3 years?

Okay, so getting back to my comment, I have a completely different reason for not wanting the two servers to merge. Unfortunately I'm not sure I can articulate it very well, but it just feels wrong to me to merge two separate populations. P99 is very much a community-oriented game, and having a bunch of characters merged in from another community all at once feels wrong... dang, I wish I was better at explaining things. It just feels like a community of people playing together should all have been on the same server the entire time for continuity.

[Frug]

You're right, good luck buying your mama stone for 2000pp on green.

I see you saw the typo and are purposely keeping it, but this is one of the best "not what I meant but works anyway"'s I've seen in a long time.

[SanityRevoked]

Out of curiosity, what are reasons people would not want green merged onto blue in 3 years?

Blue has had many non classic things that were originally on the server and later removed or corrected. Items and mechanics that shouldn't have existed were in the game for extended periods of time. Blue has been a work in progress.

It doesn't make sense to merge the two servers/dump green onto blue, unless it's an issue due to resources, manpower, lack of interest/population, or daybreak agreement.

Also, cheating via ShowEQ and MacroQuest was rampant pre-Kunark and for a bit after Kunark's release.

Blue is a test/beta/steroid/asterisk server. Green is the original vision, what they originally wanted to launch, something as close to the classic experience as possible.

[Osprey39]

Okay, so getting back to my comment, I have a completely different reason for not wanting the two servers to merge. Unfortunately I'm not sure I can articulate it very well, but it just feels wrong to me to merge two separate populations. P99 is very much a community-oriented game, and having a bunch of characters merged in from another community all at once feels wrong... dang, I wish I was better at explaining things. It just feels like a community of people playing together should all have been on the same server the entire time for continuity.

You explained it fine and it makes sense. Having your server community assimilated into another is usually not fun in my experiences.

I wouldn't worry about it too much though until you see an admin say green is going to get rolled into blue. Until then, it's just a bunch of players engaging in speculation. If you think about it, there are a lot of issues with merging servers that they would have to address. A couple I can think of immediately:

Duplicate names which are 100% certain to occur
People not having enough empty character slots to accommodate a merge


With the first one, it won't always be the same person having the name on both servers. Someone will lose their name and they are going to be hacked off about it. It is a certainty.

With the second one, since we can only have one account for p99, you can't just make a 2nd one to play on green which means if you have 4 characters on green, you would need 4 empty slots on blue to be able to move them. I don't know about you, but I have zero empty slots on blue and I really don't want to delete any of my characters, much less several of them.

Finally there is the technical issues associated with merging the two servers. I'm sure there is no magic "merge servers" button they can push to do it and I doubt it's just a simple matter of copy/pasting database entries. I'm not a programmer but I know there is some work involved in doing that. I'm sure these admins could do it but I question whether they would want to.

[Loadsamoney]

You're right, good luck buying your mama stone for 2000pp on green.

I thought cross-server trading was forbidden though.

[Ravager]

Green will be a lot of fun for everyone who doesn't worry about what it will do to Blue and just play the game with populated zones and a healthy server population. Things will be so crowded that you'll actually be able to find pick up groups in Permafrost. Here's hoping anyway.

[Jibartik]

I consider anyone who likes classic EQ to be part of my community.

It makes me a little sad that there are players here that think that if you are part of another server, that you are some how not someone that you would love to be around, given the opportunity. :o

As long as you want to talk lore I dont care if you are red green blue or purple :)

[Osprey39]

I consider anyone who likes classic EQ to be part of my community.

It makes me a little sad that there are players here that think that if you are part of another server, that you are some how not someone that you would love to be around, given the opportunity. :o

As long as you want to talk lore I dont care if you are red green blue or purple :)

I don't think that was the point they were trying to make.

[Ravager]

You're right, good luck buying your mama stone for 2000pp on green.
Manastones and guises will be sold for DKP, whether for the item, or just holding the camp. I'm sure the guilds who will lock it down already have the conversion rate calculated.

Pure speculation on my part, but that'd be one way to game it. I know it wouldn't be classic, but it'd be cool if they made legacy items like that drop from any mob at all at an appropriately low percentage rate and level that it still feels classic, because if you think Stormfeather is a shitshow, just wait for those camps.

[Nuggie]

Bro-tip: bind on the spires, not in the actual Firepot room itself. One of my two regrets from kunark. The other was loaning my second locket to VD for guild use. Bastards took it to BDA when VD split up....

[zanderklocke]

I feel like some items that sold for a lot on blue may not actually sell for that much because the expansions will be on a much quicker time frame. I paid like 90K for a dragon hero bracer in Kunark on blue. We thought Velious would never come out so that BiS purchase was worth it when joining TMO or paying them for it was the only option to obtain it. Why would I pay that much on Green when much better solo farmable Velious items will be available in like a year from Kunark launching.

[Ravager]

90k was worth it at the time though, imo. I paid 125k for a CoF at one point. I don't regret it because it was years before the price came down and I got more than my plat's worth from its use. I think I paid 120k for a fungi too, got plenty of use out of that one too and I've given away a couple since then. Can't regret things like that. If you wanted it, you wanted it.

[Muggens]

You get too caught up in the items I use as examples to illustrate a point so that you don't see the point itself. Either that or you are just choosing to ignore it. And yeah, it took me 4 months to get to level 40 because the character that is about to hit 40 was like my 5th character as I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted to really level up. Now that those irrelevancies have been discussed...

Of course I won't be able to get a Tolan's bracer 4 months into green because they won't exist as it's from Kunark. It was just an example of an item I'd like to get. Substitute any desirable item from pre-Kunark in it's place if you'd like.

I understand what you're saying with it taking time for items to trickle down through greed rolls. That is the same regardless of what era the server is in and it's really not germane to the discussion. Items can and obviously do come available to purchase and it doesn't take that long.

My primary point in this whole discussion is that in a game economy that is bloated with cash, items that have inherent value cost more because there are a large amount of people with money to spend and that puts upward pressure on prices. This is basic macroeconomics. When you come into that economy with nothing as a new player, affording things many others will take for granted is harder for you. A fresh start on a new server means you come into the economy with nothing but so does everyone else. Where you go from there is up to you but at least you're not 10 years behind.

If you think that doesn't matter to someone who is new, let me ask you a couple questions. First, we have seen very recently a bunch of bannings for RMT transactions. Why would people spend real money on an emulated version of a 20 year old game? Secondly, who do you think most of the people buying stuff with real money were? Newer players or people that have been playing here for 10 years?

No-ones reading these long whiney posts

[Osprey39]

No-ones reading these long whiney posts

Obviously you didn't read it if you think there was anything whiny in it. Also, if you think that was long, what are you 10 years old? Grow up bud.

[Muggens]

Obviously you didn't read it if you think there was anything whiny in it. Also, if you think that was long, what are you 10 years old? Grow up bud.

No, u grow up pal

[jolanar]

I intend to stay on blue personally and enjoy the lower population for a while. I really hope they don't allow the ability to box both servers at the same time.

Definitely going to watch the madness of Green on Twitch. Will probably make a character after a few months when the initial madness has died down.

[honeybee12874]

I consider anyone who likes classic EQ to be part of my community.

It makes me a little sad that there are players here that think that if you are part of another server, that you are some how not someone that you would love to be around, given the opportunity. :o

As long as you want to talk lore I dont care if you are red green blue or purple :)

Hey, you make a good point and I totally get where you're coming from! I definitely wasn't saying that people who are going to play on Green aren't people I wouldn't want to interact with eventually on Blue.

It's more of a logistics concern of how merging the two populations (who will have had vastly different leveling experiences) will work exactly...

But! I am going to refrain on thinking about it any more until we get more information! No use worrying about something based on speculation. :D

[azeth]

Thought I'd abandon blue for green when it was announced, but now in hindsight I have no desire to start fresh to ultimately get to exactly where I am now

[Muggens]

Thought I'd abandon blue for green when it was announced, but now in hindsight I have no desire to start fresh to ultimately get to exactly where I am now

Same here. It's a great game that takes a real good n long time to level up and get settled in

[Cezar]

As player coming back on and for green fresh start I’m wandering if fresh start will really happen. Hearing about guild camping manastone and more unique stuffs let me think maybe I will never feel adventure again as 1999.

Maybe staff should change a bit drop of those object, maybe let them be random on any mob, or maybe limit the kill per pg ( like if you kill once wont drop if it will be killed 30 times from anyone else), or maybe not put those at all. So if blue marge will happen we don’t have doubled mana stones etc... there are just ideas but having camp locked down is worst than rtm that so hard punisced. Someone RTMing breaking the rules. Locking camps affect gameplay of everyone.