Requesting Feedback on New Wiki Feature: Loc Maps

[loramin]

So while I should have been taking advantage of the generous XP bonus weekend, instead I found myself playing with a new wiki feature. The idea is simple: wouldn't it be nice if you could go to a mob's page and see a map of the mob's zone with a big red "X" indicating where the mob is.

Well, that idea is a reality ... sort of. I have it working for one zone, Eastern Wastes (http://wiki.project1999.com/Eastern_Wastes) ... and even that zone I've only tested with a handful of NPCs on my own machine.

If anyone has time and could try checking some NPC pages of NPCs in that zone (just mouse over the "Show Map" link next to the loc to see it) and then report back any issues or problems, I'd appreciate it. If you do have problems, please report which browser you were using.

Also, I'd be curious to hear which zones people would like to have this feature implemented in next.

Finally, I wanted to mention a new page I added a little while ago; the Notable Updates page (http://wiki.project1999.com/Notable_Updates). I try not to pester the forum unless I need feedback or I make a really big change to the wiki, but myself and other wiki-editors make lots of great additions all the time.

Unfortunately it can be hard to find these changes on the wiki's Recent Changes page (in part because of all the Magelo edit), so hopefully this page can be a way for myself and anyone else who edits the wiki to let interested parties know of new additions.

[eezl]

Great job, works fine for me, i think cities would be the best first place to start, due to mob density.

[aaezil]

Sounds pretty not classic

[ReadOnly]

Sounds pretty not classic

Listening to you cry was not classic either, so if you could either stop that or leave, that'd be great

[loramin]

Great job, works fine for me, i think cities would be the best first place to start, due to mob density.

Good point. I've added Rivervale, and will try to add more city zones next.

Sounds pretty not classic

Yup, just like all the other http://wiki.project1999.com/Unclassic_Bits in P99 :)

[Jibartik]

Sometimes I wonder if you are spoiling the secrets that make this game great, but then again its inevitable, if you dont someone will.

Sometimes though I think these are best kept on paper in peoples houses...

Idk how I feel about this one bud. This wiki may turn p99 into live with people using overlays and shit idk... unavoidable sure, but it sure will ruin things quick if in the CORE wiki to p99 its telling new players how to basically MQ2 without MQ2 :/

[aaezil]

Listening to you cry was not classic either, so if you could either stop that or leave, that'd be great

Lol you sound new here.

[ReadOnly]

Lol you sound new here.

you sound intolerable here. and you're still here. need to be shown the way out?

[aaezil]

you sound intolerable here. and you're still here. need to be shown the way out?

Belligerent and loud as well, good start old boy

[Classicranger]

Great feature.

[Jibartik]

you sound intolerable here. and you're still here. need to be shown the way out?

Please stop posting these rants & flames in server chat.

[loramin]

Idk how I feel about this one bud. This wiki may turn p99 into live with people using overlays and shit idk... unavoidable sure, but it sure will ruin things quick if in the CORE wiki to p99 its telling new players how to basically MQ2 without MQ2 :/

Whoa! Let's not go all chicken little here: this is not even remotely close to MQ2 (although, for the record, 100% allowed-on-P99 log-reading map overlay systems do already exist).

All this is is a very basic convenience: instead of having to:


go to an NPC's page
check their loc
click the link to their zone
find the map
move your finger along the map until you find approximately where on the map the NPC is


You can now just go to the NPC's page .. and see where your finger would have pointed, right there on the same page.

That's all. And even just to enable that someone has to go zone-by-zone and calculate the exact numbers to make all this possible, which means even this basic convenience is going to take awhile to "take over" (and any future "corruption" anyone might envision is a long ways off after that).

[bigjeff100]

So while I should have been taking advantage of the generous XP bonus weekend, instead I found myself playing with a new wiki feature. The idea is simple: wouldn't it be nice if you could go to a mob's page and see a map of the mob's zone with a big red "X" indicating where the mob is.

Well, that idea is a reality ... sort of. I have it working for one zone, Eastern Wastes (http://wiki.project1999.com/Eastern_Wastes) ... and even that zone I've only tested with a handful of NPCs on my own machine.

If anyone has time and could try checking some NPC pages of NPCs in that zone (just mouse over the "Show Map" link next to the loc to see it) and then report back any issues or problems, I'd appreciate it. If you do have problems, please report which browser you were using.

Also, I'd be curious to hear which zones people would like to have this feature implemented in next.

Finally, I wanted to mention a new page I added a little while ago; the Notable Updates page (http://wiki.project1999.com/Notable_Updates). I try not to pester the forum unless I need feedback or I make a really big change to the wiki, but myself and other wiki-editors make lots of great additions all the time.

Unfortunately it can be hard to find these changes on the wiki's Recent Changes page (in part because of all the Magelo edit), so hopefully this page can be a way for myself and anyone else who edits the wiki to let interested parties know of new additions.

Nicely done my man. Nicely done.

[Mauxe]

I like this feature.
Your description of how I find mobs is spot on and having the red x is only going to mean that I will be back to the game with less downtime.

edit: I'm sure the process of updating each map is tedious. Let me know if you want any help.

[Jibartik]

Whoa! Let's not go all chicken little here: this is not even remotely close to MQ2 (although, for the record, 100% allowed-on-P99 log-reading map overlay systems do already exist).

All this is is a very basic convenience: instead of having to:


go to an NPC's page
check their loc
click the link to their zone
find the map
move your finger along the map until you find approximately where on the map the NPC is


You can now just go to the NPC's page .. and see where your finger would have pointed, right there on the same page.

That's all. And even just to enable that someone has to go zone-by-zone and calculate the exact numbers to make all this possible, which means even this basic convenience is going to take awhile to "take over" (and any future "corruption" anyone might envision is a long ways off after that).

Yeah, idk, IMO most of the wiki is already spoiling a bit too much. Ive used it, but Ive also found out how to complete a quest without it, and I still remember tha tquest, and dont remember any of the ones I used the wiki for. I have some info that I have debated releasing to the public, but then I decided not to, because finding that info (on p99) is some of my most memorable moments in EQ and if someone just gave it to me, I wouldn't have those memories.

And like I said its inevitable. And its also inevitable that this data will turn into mq2 python coded transparent overlay software in more than 5 years from now, that everyone on p99 uses, I guarantee it.

My personal take is, this info is fine to publish online, but Id prefer it was on some wird website of your own, and didn't share a URL with the game, so some people can remain in the dark a bit more easily about all these spoilers :o

That's just my 2cp

[Jibartik]

I also wonder if green99 should be like second quest zelda (on nes), where they change everything so we cant use the wiki, but then thats catagorically not classic, however the fact that nobody knows where anything is or how to do anything, suddenly is classic, so idk.

I'm a freak though.

[loramin]

edit: I'm sure the process of updating each map is tedious. Let me know if you want any help.

I'm thinking of making it a wiki challenge for starting players (with a small plat reward). I'll post back with details later if I decide to go ahead, but in the meantime this page explains how to help:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Loc_Maps

[Jibartik]

Loramin Oppenheimer :(

[Tethler]

Yeah, idk, IMO most of the wiki is already spoiling a bit too much. Ive used it, but Ive also found out how to complete a quest without it, and I still remember tha tquest, and dont remember any of the ones I used the wiki for. I have some info that I have debated releasing to the public, but then I decided not to, because finding that info (on p99) is some of my most memorable moments in EQ and if someone just gave it to me, I wouldn't have those memories.

And like I said its inevitable. And its also inevitable that this data will turn into mq2 python coded transparent overlay software in more than 5 years from now, that everyone on p99 uses, I guarantee it.

My personal take is, this info is fine to publish online, but Id prefer it was on some wird website of your own, and didn't share a URL with the game, so some people can remain in the dark a bit more easily about all these spoilers :o

That's just my 2cp

Not everyone wants to play in the same way as you do. If you enjoy the game more w/o using the wiki, that's great! I, for one, really appreciate these new wiki features and will continue to use it extensively.

[Nuggie]

May as well. It puts the layman closer to the playing field of the cheaters...

[loramin]

I'm thinking of making it a wiki challenge for starting players (with a small plat reward). I'll post back with details later if I decide to go ahead

https://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif

There's a new wiki contest for starting players who want to help the wiki (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2933063).

[Jibartik]

Not everyone wants to play in the same way as you do. If you enjoy the game more w/o using the wiki, that's great! I, for one, really appreciate these new wiki features and will continue to use it extensively.

yeah that's true, and it'll will be a museum of eq with all these contributions and that is cool so yeah u right respect to all the contributions of the wiki peoples I have used them well

I just had a moment of classic nihilism

https://i.imgur.com/gM7k1cq.png

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif

There's a new wiki contest for starting players who want to help the wiki (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2933063).

no this :D

https://i.imgur.com/jTSHX2N.gif

[Muggens]

I also wonder if green99 should be like second quest zelda (on nes), where they change everything so we cant use the wiki, but then thats catagorically not classic, however the fact that nobody knows where anything is or how to do anything, suddenly is classic, so idk.

I'm a freak though.

This would be great. My EQ Dream is to be able to roleplay in a changing world of Norrath with a dedicated Game Master :D

[Backle]

This is great work. The hardest part of starting for me was just finding things. It took me two hours to find the guild master in Kelethin (and by then I was so frustrated I quit wood elf altogether). I am looking forward to contributing.

[Thomacles]

Map only stays up while hovering over with cursor. Isn't there a way to click on something to bring the map up and stay up without having to hover over? And a Fullscreen option would be nice as well.

[Ravhin]

Awesome feature and nice implementation

[Demoraliser]

It's dope, man.

[zodium]

very neat

[a_gnome_collector]

Looks great

[loramin]

I'm really glad everyone's enjoying them :D

But again I can't take all the credit: in my last "wiki challenge (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329379)" I got a ton of help from fellow players. I usually don't call people out, but I have to add that forum user Mauxe went above and beyond and mapped a ton of zones long after the challenge ended. But again, everyone in that thread I linked contributed, and we should be appreciative of everyone who helped ...

... and everyone who will help too. We've still got a lot of zones to map! If you're interested check out http://wiki.project1999.com/Adding_a_Loc_Map.

Map only stays up while hovering over with cursor. Isn't there a way to click on something to bring the map up and stay up without having to hover over? And a Fullscreen option would be nice as well.

Everyone's probably discovered the solution to this, but if not I changed the code so that now when you "mouse over" it briefly shows the map, and if you want it to stay visible you can just click on the link to get a "full screen overlay" style map.