Plane of Mischief Questions...

[kingpinner]

Are there any solid up to date guides on combines to create the armor and all the subsidiary pieces for this place. I've gone through the wiki pages 50+ times and many of the guides say something very different than the quest pages.

I just got up there this past week and have been soloing A3/A4 Alice In Wonderland. Got 1 throne to drop which was awesome... but after reading through more, it seems like I'll need to get a whole bunch of thrones to be able to get the armor. Plus, the dolls are completely random... so might not even get what I need anyways.

Also, why is the Mischeivous Dazzler Dolls 110k plat and shaman/mage dolls are selling for 10k. Is the enchanter version that much more rare in the combine process?

Trying to wrap my head around this place and i have a headache lol

[Supaskillz]

Most of the PoM is not very good compared to stats and ease of access for quested velious armor. Enchanters one of only classes that have actual good items. Shaman boots are very good and b/c of those I'm surprised shaman dolls are cheap. Otherwise most other PoM armor is just status symbol.

End of the day there are just so few of these b/c thrones are so rare and most are used for flowers, cloaks of confusion and belts of inconsistency.

[loramin]

Are there any solid up to date guides on combines to create the armor and all the subsidiary pieces for this place. I've gone through the wiki pages 50+ times and many of the guides say something very different than the quest pages.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deck_of_Spontaneous_Generation_Quest

Everything you need in one page (or at least, anything else you need is linked there).

Just ignore the guides.

shaman/mage dolls are selling for 10k
I'm surprised shaman dolls are cheap.

Ummm ... what server do y'all play on? They've been selling for like 70-80k for months here.

[Baylan295]

Are there any solid up to date guides on combines to create the armor and all the subsidiary pieces for this place. I've gone through the wiki pages 50+ times and many of the guides say something very different than the quest pages.

I just got up there this past week and have been soloing A3/A4 Alice In Wonderland. Got 1 throne to drop which was awesome... but after reading through more, it seems like I'll need to get a whole bunch of thrones to be able to get the armor. Plus, the dolls are completely random... so might not even get what I need anyways.

Also, why is the Mischeivous Dazzler Dolls 110k plat and shaman/mage dolls are selling for 10k. Is the enchanter version that much more rare in the combine process?

Trying to wrap my head around this place and i have a headache lol

The Enchanter Doll generates a 2nd Best-In-Slot robe that (IMHO) is only surpassed by an extremely rare drop off of Vulak (roughly 4? Have dropped in the past year).

For most folks, it is actually the best item they can get.

That is not true for almost any other set of PoM armor which is normally comparable to the skyshrine equivalent. The other exception is those Shaman boots.

[loramin]

The Enchanter Doll generates a 2nd Best-In-Slot robe that (IMHO) is only surpassed by an extremely rare drop off of Vulak (roughly 4? Have dropped in the past year).

For most folks, it is actually the best item they can get.

That is not true for almost any other set of PoM armor which is normally comparable to the skyshrine equivalent. The other exception is those Shaman boots.

A couple of the Druid pieces are superior to Skyshrine, but it's not as dramatic as the Enchanter robe or Shaman boots.

[zodium]

A couple of the Druid pieces are superior to Skyshrine, but it's not as dramatic as the Enchanter robe or Shaman boots.

the druid chest is literally best in slot and almost incomparable value-for-money over all classes and gear pieces, and outside a few pieces like the bracer and boots, the other pieces tend to be very significantly better

you spread so much misinformation sometimes I think you're a lost bot who can't find his way back on Twitter

[loramin]

the druid chest is literally best in slot and almost incomparable value-for-money over all classes and gear pieces, and outside a few pieces like the bracer and boots, the other pieces tend to be very significantly better

you spread so much misinformation sometimes I think you're a lost bot who can't find his way back on Twitter

At first I was going to respond about how the PoM BP doesn't have mana-free Regrowth of the Grove and some people might care about that ... but then I got to the end and realized you're just doing your "negative basement boy" thing, so I won't feed the troll.

[sedrie.bellamie]

I think Rektyu has it figured out

do more puppet show

[fortior]

At first I was going to respond about how the PoM BP doesn't have mana-free Regrowth of the Grove and some people might care about that ... but then I got to the end and realized you're just doing your "negative basement boy" thing, so I won't feed the troll.

You don't have to try and answer every question on here. Just the ones you know the answer to.

[enjchanter]

The short pom guide:

Buy the stuff you need from pom. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200.

[loramin]

You don't have to try and answer every question on here. Just the ones you know the answer to.

Gear is inherently subjective. Obviously a +10 Wis is better than a +9 Wis, but how does it compare to +10 Sta, or +50 Cha, or 30% haste, or a right-click effect or a spell that costs 200 mana to cast? Reasonable people can disagree without being "wrong".

I have a 60 Druid, in almost full Skyshrine (although sadly I still have to pay mana when I port to Misty Thicket :(). I also have a Shaman with PoM boots who is currently camping in PoM as I write this. I've sat and compared every item from the PoM armor set to every one in the Skyshrine set, and in my opinion ...

A couple of the Druid pieces are superior to Skyshrine, but it's not as dramatic as the Enchanter robe or Shaman boots.

But if that makes me unfit to speak in your forum ... oh wel, duly noted :p

[zodium]

reasonable people can disagree about whether it makes more sense to get the PoM BP or whatever clicky BP you'll eventually put in your bag first, while a person who somehow thinks Skyshrine armor is competitive with PoM is just not reasonable in the first place and probably shouldn't be giving anyone advice about gear

[Legidias]

You can port people just as well in PoM and SS gear, just sayin

[DromalPhrenia]

Get PoM BP to wear, get thurg BP to clicky cuz it's the cheapest, bing bong so simple.

[sedrie.bellamie]

where is loscounthahahaha?

anyone ever get any loot off of 86?

anyone try to attack Bristlebane?

[fastboy21]

I'll ruin it for you all, if you haven't figured it out for yourself yet: It doesn't matter.

Arguing with actual passion and sincerity about these type of things is very strange to watch.

[zodium]

I'll ruin it for you all, if you haven't figured it out for yourself yet: It doesn't matter.

Arguing with actual passion and sincerity about these type of things is very strange to watch.

It really depends on how many capable raid guilds there are when velious drops.

Considering the fast (i.e. normal) time compared to blue line I would think there will be a healthier spirit of competition on green by the time we get to velious...which means that more keys will end up diffused into more guilds, which means longer to wake the sleeper.

also, though clearly not necessarily, having multiple end game guilds that can compete with each other might create a situation where a deal to not wake sleeper for farming is a possibility.

lmao

[pasi]

Also, why is the Mischeivous Dazzler Dolls 110k plat and shaman/mage dolls are selling for 10k. Is the enchanter version that much more rare in the combine process?


Plane of Mischief is an abomination to farm outside of doing puppets.

IMO, the enchanter robe is a waste of money unless you don't want to faction up CoV.

PoM Robe is 10ac and 8 charisma vs 52 HP for SS Robe. Option one costs about 200k versus 40-50k for the SS Robe. The sleeves are probably the best piece for enchanters, but its hard to justify the price. You might as well just raid if you're dropping 200k for the marginal AC upgrades.

The shaman boots are insanely good since they accidentally assigned the leg's stats to the boots and visa versa.

[fastboy21]

lmao

touche.

of course, in one thread we were trying to predict the dynamics of the new server --- it wasn't a mean spirited discussion with ad hominems --- that discussion is actually interesting to speculate about. in this thread folks were at each others throats attacking each other over the difference between +10 wisdom and +15 resistance...which doesn't matter.

i wasn't talking about everything not mattering --- just the bullshit debate over stats to see which one reigns supreme and the insults that were flying over it.

[zodium]

touche.

of course, in one thread we were trying to predict the dynamics of the new server --- it wasn't a mean spirited discussion with ad hominems --- that discussion is actually interesting to speculate about. in this thread folks were at each others throats attacking each other over the difference between +10 wisdom and +15 resistance...which doesn't matter.

i wasn't talking about everything not mattering --- just the bullshit debate over stats to see which one reigns supreme and the insults that were flying over it.

yeah this is much better than when we were talking about Plane of Mischief items in the thread "Plane of Mischief Questions...", thanks for putting things back on track

[Raije1000]

i wonder who actually takes advice from loramin, a simple inspect of his mediocre shaman says it all

[loramin]

i wonder who actually takes advice from loramin, a simple inspect of his mediocre shaman says it all

I don't get it: why are you trying to "item shame" me?

Different people value different clickies differently. And the clickies are a huge part of the value of Velious armor. Compared directly to PoM armor, I think the lack of (uncharged) clickies on the PoM armor is a downside. If you don't, that's ok.

Sure you can get a Velious armor item for every slot with a clickie (that matters), then swap them out, but for one thing it's annoying. I know because I do it with my Vindi BP and Skyshrine BP. I use up an inventory slot to make it slightly more convenient and it's still annoying.

Plus, not everyone wants to spend the time/money that a PoM upgrades require for (say) a +1 net Wis. Some do. And some don't but will for a net +2 Wis, or +3 Wis, or +4 AC, etc.

The point is, it's subjective. If you really care that strongly about virtual pixels don't take out your weird virtual aggression on me, go to: http://wiki.project1999.com/Equipping_a_Druid. You can see the total stats of both armor sets, and you can see each individual item's stats with a mouse over, so you can compare for yourself.

But enough with this "oh you're so dumb because your gear sucks" idiocy. Anyone who has played a high level character can have a reasonable opinion about whether an item upgrade is worth the trouble to acquire.

[zodium]

no

[Seungkyu]

i wonder who actually takes advice from loramin, a simple inspect of his mediocre shaman says it all

The guy has 5000+ posts, makes thoughtful commentaries, and does his best to be helpful.

10/10 Would take advice from Loramin.

[Nuggie]

Loramin has done more than most for the wiki, helps build the community.

+1 for Loramin... sure would be nice to have a post point system like the FoH forums. (Not a criticism Rogdog, just wistful wishing)

[Raije1000]

its one thing to talk about the game, its another to play the game

[fastboy21]

its one thing to talk about the game, its another to play the game

It is one thing to go out of your way to be helpful to others, its another to be rude and disruptive.

I know which one I'd prefer the server had more of.

+1 for Loramin

[zodium]

It is one thing to go out of your way to be helpful to others, its another to be rude and disruptive.

I know which one I'd prefer the server had more of.

+1 for Loramin

giving advice that's trivially and often comically wrong isn't really that helpful tbh

[Nuggie]

Is being "the most accurate" more important than giving someone a path to start down?

[zodium]

it's not important or good to send people down paths to nowhere

[loramin]

The guy has 5000+ posts, makes thoughtful commentaries, and does his best to be helpful.

10/10 Would take advice from Loramin.
Loramin has done more than most for the wiki, helps build the community.

+1 for Loramin... sure would be nice to have a post point system like the FoH forums. (Not a criticism Rogdog, just wistful wishing)
It is one thing to go out of your way to be helpful to others, its another to be rude and disruptive.

I know which one I'd prefer the server had more of.

+1 for Loramin

https://i.imgur.com/FLSUpGx.gif

giving advice that's trivially and often comically wrong isn't really that helpful tbh

Man, you are really bad at this subjective/objective stuff. Let's consider just one item, the chest piece, because it probably makes your case the strongest and it's been held up as an example in this discussion.

But first let me be clear, because when a person says something in one context, and someone else takes it out of context, that doesn't make the first person "wrong", it makes the second person an ass. I'm talking about having just one BP, the same as I was back on page 1. Obviously two BPs are better than one, and if you can have a stats BP and a clickie BP you get (almost all of) the benefits of both worlds.

AC: 20
STR: +5 STA: +7 WIS: +14 HP: +50 MANA: +80
SV FIRE: +9 SV MAGIC: +9 SV POISON: +9
Effect: Regrowth of the Grove (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 9.0)

vs.

AC: 32
STR: +5 WIS: +15 INT: +15 HP: +50 MANA: +90
SV DISEASE: +15 SV MAGIC: +15 SV POISON: +15

Clearly stat-wise the PoM chest piece is better. You get a net +18 to resists, +12 to AC, +10 Mana, and +1 Wis, and you only lose -7 Sta. As I said, stat-wise the chest piece is one of the strongest upgrades ...

... and yet I still maintain that if you have to choose just one, the Skyshrine piece is better because of the click. If I could have only one BP for the rest of my life, I sincerely would choose the Skyshrine one.

I guarantee you will never notice +1 Wis, +10 Mana, or even +12 AC as a Druid (or rather, you'll notice them about as much as you'll notice the -7 Sta). You might notice the saves, in that you'll maybe get feared 1 out of 20 times less or so ...

... but you will definitely notice not having to go into your spell book to mem Regrowth of the Grove everytime someone wants it. You'll especially notice when that last person joins the group the moment after you just regrowth-ed everyone else (which, Murphy's Law, often happens), or when you're low on mana. But every single time you want to cast that spell and you don't have to waste time sitting down, paging to the right page, memming the spell, casting it, then sitting down again to remove it and replace it with another spell, you'll notice.

And of course, the 600 mana Regrowth the BP saves you each time is nothing to sneeze at. Assuming you recast every 20 minutes that's 30/mana a minute, or half a mana a second (ie. roughly the same amount as FT3). But really the time saved is an even bigger deal to me.

A few meaningless stats and 1 in 20 less times running feared vs. saving myself at least ten seconds of of meaningless effort every twenty minutes I play the game (and getting FT3 as long as I would have been casting it anyway?)

And remember, to lose all that isn't free: it will cost you over 100k in plat/PoM cards.

You're that certain that I'm objectively wrong about all that that you're ready to die on that hill?



P.S. In my opinion the case for PoM armor is actually much stronger on the pieces without clickies. Twisted Nature Gloves (http://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted_Nature_Gloves) are objectively better than Woven Grass Gauntlets (http://wiki.project1999.com/Woven_Grass_Gauntlets) ... but as I said in the post that started this all, the differences between those two items are:

not as dramatic as the Enchanter robe or Shaman boots.

[Nuggie]

Incoming a one line response proving troll status.

[fortior]

Incoming a one line response proving troll status.

I guess if you go by word count loramin is always right, because he is unable to say anything in <2 paragraphs

If stats and BiS don't matter, save yourself 10-20k and just MQ the thurg tunic

[Evia]

do pickup groups happen in PoM? or just solo duo ventures? I need to make cash to buy all my SS MQs and these playing cards look to be lucrative.

[zodium]

Clearly stat-wise the PoM chest piece is better. You get a net +18 to resists, +12 to AC, +10 Mana, and +1 Wis, and you only lose -7 Sta. As I said, stat-wise the chest piece is one of the strongest upgrades ...

... and yet I still maintain that if you have to choose just one, the Skyshrine piece is better because of the click. If I could have only one BP for the rest of my life, I sincerely would choose the Skyshrine one.

let me level with you: you don't have to choose just one. "if you have to choose just one" leads to prima facie ungood decisions like "Skyshrine BP is good." making ungood decisions is itself ungood. thus, it is in fact plusungood, because, as you note, the Skyshrine druid BP is an at best neutral chest item which costs somewhere between three and infinity times the two main alternatives: Thurgadin and PoH. three and infinity are both bigger numbers than one, which means the Skyshrine BP is more expensive than equivalent alternatives. with me so far? that's plusgood!

follow-along example: when I won my first Unadorned Leather Tunic as a wee Manno in full Crystal Chitin, I sold the MQ to a monk. then I bought a Thurg BP MQ, pocketed the 30k difference. then I used that difference to buy a Red Throne for a Plane of Mischief BP. this was doubleplusgood. edit: on reflection, I think I did it the other way around.

Incoming a one line response proving troll status.

loramin receives the exact verbosity warranted by the substance of his posting.

do pickup groups happen in PoM? or just solo duo ventures? I need to make cash to buy all my SS MQs and these playing cards look to be lucrative.

it's almost exclusively a solo/duo situation for enchanters, druids and shamans. clerics and monks can also get in on it sometimes. personally I love it, very nice camps suiting both semi-afk (chest/a4) and very active play (puppets), but I wouldn't say it's particularly lucrative because of the low number of mobs and extremely low drop rates producing a ton of variance. i've gotten back-to-back thrones solo. i've gone 40 puppet shows at ~60 minutes each with zero drops in a duo. the variance is real and strong.

[loramin]

let me level with you: you don't have to choose just one.

So you're saying your entire argument that I'm "wrong" (and shouldn't be posting) ... the entire thing you've spent pages fighting over ... isn't even based on you having a legitimate disagreement with me?

Remember, the original context of this thread, before you entered, was talking about whether someone (an Enchanter, not even a Druid) should upgrade a single piece of SS armor to PoM armor, and whether it was worth the cost to do so. Then Baylan chimed in and mentioned the other classes, and in that context, I replied.

You claim I often write too much, and I probably do. There's multiple reasons, but here's a big one: my reply there wasn't long, and look where it got me? If I don't spell out every last detail in every post I write, assholes like you show up to argue with things I never said.

In the original context my quote made perfect sense. I never even disagreed with you, because I never said you had to choose just one or whether two BPs was better than one: I just assumed that the hypothetical person we were discussing was picking one, because the conversation hadn't specified that exact detail and we were just generally talking about which set was better.

Now look, in a text-based forum, without faces and tones of voice, people can make different assumptions about the conversation. I can completely understand how you might have seen the context differently. But you know, a normal/sane person would have said "do you really mean PoM is only a little better, because if you get it, but keep some Velious armor around for clickies you get the best of both worlds, and those stats are pretty clearly better?" If you had I would have agreed with you, and that would have been the end of it.

But instead you started this this giant fight over absolutely nothing ... and managed to RnF-up an otherwise perfectly normal Server Chat thread.

But first let me be clear, because when a person says something in one context, and someone else takes it out of context, that doesn't make the first person "wrong", it makes the second person an ass.

[sedrie.bellamie]

can I do anything with this jester card I got?

what is sniffles respawn time?

oh is this not POM Questions and just armor debate? get the black velious leather from the rats in DN, looks nice. Gnome skin armor is neat too

[loramin]

can I do anything with this jester card I got?

Not that I'm aware of.

what is sniffles respawn time?

No idea but an Allakhazam comment says "36 hours with a +/- 10%" and that seems roughly right.

oh is this not POM Questions and just armor debate?

The answer to that depends on who you ask (hint: don't ask Zodium ;)).

[Crawdad]

I remember Druid PoM armor being very much hot pink on live, but it looks pretty Meh here. As such it's a waste at the most important aspect of p99, fashion. Nobody wants to be caught wearing full SS/Kael/Thurg and then a Tizmak-looking Bp.

Where's all these good Druid spots I hear about in PoM? I'm told to do forest and then rats and some other spots. But after speaking with some druids in-game, I get conflicting info on the "money" camps. So, questions: 1) Druids soloing A3? and 2) A3 does/does not drop thrones? Anyone care to elucidate? I'm starting to go stir crazy at bear pits, and would dig a change of venue to a zone I didn't have time for on live.

[loramin]

I remember Druid PoM armor being very much hot pink on live, but it looks pretty Meh here. As such it's a waste at the most important aspect of p99, fashion. Nobody wants to be caught wearing full SS/Kael/Thurg and then a Tizmak-looking Bp.

Where's all these good Druid spots I hear about in PoM? I'm told to do forest and then rats and some other spots. But after speaking with some druids in-game, I get conflicting info on the "money" camps. So, questions: 1) Druids soloing A3? and 2) A3 does/does not drop thrones? Anyone care to elucidate? I'm starting to go stir crazy at bear pits, and would dig a change of venue to a zone I didn't have time for on live.

Dunno about the FashionQuest aspect, except that my brown PoM boots look great with my green Skyshrine armor (and black Vindi BP), so I'm not complaining :)

As for Druid "money camps", forest and rats are not it: the best you can get out of either is Knights, and those sell for less than a k.

The big money camp, which I have seen Druids do, is A4. Charm a rat from A1 (or A2 or A3 if you're brave; also I've seen people bring other animals from elsewhere in PoM). Bring it to A4 and ... profit! (A4 drops Thrones, while A3 only drops Crowns, so while you could make plat there, and it will be far less contested than A4, it's an order of magnitude lower less lucrative).

For other "money camps" see http://wiki.project1999.com/Plane_of_Mischief_Cards (the Thrones section), but what it boils down to is a few hard to find and/or kill mobs all over the zone (Stomples, the False Treasure Chest, a white stallion and a Dastardly Rascal) and the puppets (which you'll need a duo for).

So basically, plan to spend a lot of time at A4 ... and when I say "A4" I really mean "the twins OR rat and ape ... if you're lucky and don't have to split rat and ape with someone else" ... because it's a very popular camp.

[eezl]

I remember Druid PoM armor being very much hot pink on live, but it looks pretty Meh here. As such it's a waste at the most important aspect of p99, fashion. Nobody wants to be caught wearing full SS/Kael/Thurg and then a Tizmak-looking Bp.

Where's all these good Druid spots I hear about in PoM? I'm told to do forest and then rats and some other spots. But after speaking with some druids in-game, I get conflicting info on the "money" camps. So, questions: 1) Druids soloing A3? and 2) A3 does/does not drop thrones? Anyone care to elucidate? I'm starting to go stir crazy at bear pits, and would dig a change of venue to a zone I didn't have time for on live.

https://i.imgur.com/qARatoZ.png

I dont think it looks that bad.

[Crawdad]

https://i.imgur.com/qARatoZ.png

I dont think it looks that bad.

I take some of it back, having matching pieces of it looks pretty good.