Botched Ring 10 Turn In - Anyone have experience?

[Tissamo]

Hey all.

Tissamo here. Dunce-Dwarf who botched the final Ring 10 hand in yesterday by turning in to Garadain Glaciarbane before Seneschel Aldikar.

Been speaking with the GMs about it - Llandris has expressed that probably the only thing he can do is restore the No-Rent head of narandi to me and not the quest rewards.

Not a good situation - probably me and the ~100 who helped me are in trouble. Llandris mentions that this has happened before on the server, and I'm looking for some help or guidance on any possible way to still complete the turn in and get the rewards.

Here's my question - and I hope there's someone on the server here who has seen this first hand before - If I park my ass at the entrance to Thurg in Great Divide and stay logged in for 3 days until the next war, can I *properly* perform the turn-in on the NPCs that spawn after the next successful war without impeding the ring-warrers from also doing their own turn in?

Will the NPCs perform the turn-ins twice without despawning/deactivating so long as the correct Narandi's Head item has been handed to them?

Right now this is looking like my only shot at getting the treasures to the so many that deserve them. Does anyone know how the NPCs behave with regard to this option?

Thanks a lot for any insight you can provide, and sorry again to those affected by my lapse in competence.

Cheers.

Tiss.

[Hideousclaw]

iirc, When you turn in the head to the NPC's they give you the reward and then run away to Thurg. If that is the case, I suspect you will not be able to? Though I dont know if you can try and turn in while they are running away

[Kesselring]

The npcs run away when u do the turn in so you cant do it on someone elses ring war youll screw over their turn ins.

[Tissamo]

The word on the street from many folks who have contacted me in game is pretty close to what you're saying..

There's been some progress on figuring out what will happen - here's a copy/paste from our Discord.


The GMs will reimburse the quest piece, but do not as strict policy provide quest rewards as reimbursements ever.
The head will be provided to me and I will remain logged in until the next successful Ring War, which will be Riot's in a few days.
The behavior of the turn in NPCs is such that consecutive turn ins are possible only on Seneschel Aldikar for Ring 10, as the other dwarves run off and despawn after they provide their reward.
Thusly - Ring 10 will be reimbursed but not the rewards.
However.
As they are all droppable items and readily available on the open market, I will be purchasing 1x of each reward and providing it to it's rightful owner.
~350k boondoggle, but it's the only way I can live with what happened and put it behind me.
The process of acquiring the items is going to begin right now. I will be posting WTB threads and sitting at T1 with a dunce cap on for the next several days.
I'll need a list of names who won bids and which item they receive.
A total disaster, but not the end of the world. After a slight delay everyone will have their items and things will be as they would and should have been.
Read your quest text carefully, kids

So it seems like with some very careful coordination and a sizeable decrease in my net worth things will more or less square up.

[Trzzle]

I'd attempt your turn in on the side-reward NPCs after Riot's man turns it in, and as they run towards Thurg. You won't be interfering with their turn in and if it doesn't work you're no worse off.

[Tissamo]

Next Ring War is actually AM's I found out. I spoke with an officer and got tentative permission to attempt the hand-in after they have finished with theirs.

I kind of doubt that it's possible to hand-in to the running NPCs. If so - couldnt you corpse your shorn head after each Ring War and then generate exponentially more rewards each cycle by handing tons of them in? Does the "Shorn Head" item get modified each time the it's handed to a dwarf (which would prevent it from ever being handed in for the same reward again) - I haven't heard of that if so.

My guess is that the running dwarves will be considered engaged in some manner and that trading is not possible with them. Would be an interesting experiment though and I will try if the circumstances permit. Something tells me AM wont want me going near Seneschel till well after they have gotten all the guards turned in though - which is reasonable - so they'll probably all be long gone.

Current plan is to corpse the [TEMPORARY] "Head of Narandi" in GD right at the turn in area when Llandris deposits it on my character and to loot it and hand in at the next successful war following my receipt of the head, whenever that may occur.

Llandris has tentatively confirmed that he can restore the head to me, but I have yet to be addressed by him directly so I don't have a timetable just yet.

Has anyone here ever seen a double hand-in to Seneschel Aldikar for Ring 10 with their own eyes?

[elwing]

I'd attempt your turn in on the side-reward NPCs after Riot's man turns it in, and as they run towards Thurg. You won't be interfering with their turn in and if it doesn't work you're no worse off.

Can't hurt to try but I have little hope for that, npc that reacted to something are in a different state and will most likely just eat the head... No risk trying through

[Naonak]

Could try and root /mem blur and hand in??

[Nexii]

In before corpsing Narandi heads becomes a thing to get double rewards

[elwing]

Lol, yep

[heartbrand]

I’ve had multiple quest rewards given to me via petition so not sure what policy they are talking about

[Tissamo]

Sigh. Yeah. I have heard of it too. Perhaps there is an exception made when the player committed no error and executed the turn-in correctly (like when someone leaves a partial turn in on an NPC or whatever).

Maybe in those cases he will just go ahead and summon the reward instead of reimbursing the turn-in pieces.

If that's not the case then IDK what the difference is.

Either way I am awfully grateful for whatever help they will allow. I am totally willing to buy the items on the open market and distribute them to my Kittens and Aegis allies to erase that aspect of the mistake.

The thing wrenching at my heart at this time is Ring 10...if they'll help me pull that out of the garbage can (even indirectly though the head) I will be tremendously grateful.

[Nuggie]

In before corpsing Narandi heads becomes a thing to get double rewards

In before idiots incur nilbog's wrath via exploitation.

[azeth]

Just heads up you dont need to stay logged in. Receive the head, place it in a bag you dont need for a few days, or unbagged in your inventory then die. The item will stay on your corpse whether you log off or not

[Kluwen2]

I remember this happened to Deneras in Aftermath. He turned in after our successful ringwar. Once the npc ran toward thurg I ensnared and dragged away and eventually capped out once I dragged him far enough away to allow more time to do the trade as he immediately starts running toward Thurg again once unaggro. It is possible to complete the trade and receive the ring though.

[Tissamo]

thats fantastic information - are you sure that sensechel aldikar runs away though?

Our information was that the Dwarf Captains run and poof but that Aldikar holds in place for a time despite the turn in.

Either way that is really great to have first hand confirmation that it is in fact doable.

Cheers!

[Erati]

thats fantastic information - are you sure that sensechel aldikar runs away though?

Our information was that the Dwarf Captains run and poof but that Aldikar holds in place for a time despite the turn in.

Either way that is really great to have first hand confirmation that it is in fact doable.

Cheers!

Sensechel runs to Thurg after hand in like the others.

[Tissamo]

Well thanks for the heads up on that fact you guys. That's not what I was expecting and so would *not* have been ready for it had you not schooled me up.

I wonder if we wait till he gets closer to thurg if we can snare him without causing the captains to chain aggro as we attempt to pull him out.

[Tissamo]

Trip report.

After tonight's Ring War I was able only to attempt explicitly "hands-off" approaches to the unorthodox turn in - as it wasn't their issue AM understandably wanted no part of any kind of kiting, etc that might jeopardize their own rewards.

Thusly, I stood between the circle and Thurg and attempted a hand-in on Seneschal Aldikar as he passed me, briskly.

It was extremely dicey, but it worked. I managed to get the turn-in off before he despawned or shut down and I was rewarded with a shorn head and Ring 10 per the standard script.

Once AM had turned in the rest of their side-quests, I did attempt to open a trade with a few of the last captains to pass me, but alas they are all hard-coded to accept only one trade before refusing to open a trade window again, as they must be in order to prevent the exploitfest that would result otherwise.

So yeah. Pretty great. Super pleased to have Ring 10. Will purchase the other items out of pocket to compensate my allies for their losses.

A big thank you to everyone in here who took time to search their memory for insight - you were all quite helpful.

...WTB everything from Ring War.

Cheers!

Tissamo

[feniin]

Congrats on your ring and good on you for trying to make it right.

[Kluwen2]

Congrats! Glad it worked out for you.

[Gozuk]

Glad it worked out for you.. are people really expecting you to buy the items from the ring war on your own though? I was expecting a post shooting down that proposition. Shit happens

[loramin]

Glad it worked out for you.. are people really expecting you to buy the items from the ring war on your own though? I was expecting a post shooting down that proposition. Shit happens

[Tissamo]

No one has asked me to do that it's just my preference. I probably wouldn't feel as bad if it were just my guild and my friends that lost out, but we have an alliance of many guilds and it's important to take care of them imo. Honestly I'm kind of doing it for myself as much as them, because like with any super-fuckup, I'm eager to forget about it and never think about it again. Making the outcome totally square with what it should have been will guarantee it's funny to me in the future instead of making me roll my eyes every time I think about it.

[loramin]

No one has asked me to do that it's just my preference. I probably wouldn't feel as bad if it were just my guild and my friends that lost out, but we have an alliance of many guilds and it's important to take care of them imo. Honestly I'm kind of doing it for myself as much as them, because like with any super-fuckup, I'm eager to forget about it and never think about it again. Making the outcome totally square with what it should have been will guarantee it's funny to me in the future instead of making me roll my eyes every time I think about it.

Respect, but ... don't you think the punishment should fit the crime? Or at least, the sentence should fit the damages?

If you're planning to drop 300+k to fix things, doesn't that imply you did 300+k of damage to people? I'm sure some people wasted some time, but ... even between all of them, was it really 300+k worth?

[7thGate]

Respect, but ... don't you think the punishment should fit the crime? Or at least, the sentence should fit the damages?

If you're planning to drop 300+k to fix things, doesn't that imply you did 300+k of damage to people? I'm sure some people wasted some time, but ... even between all of them, was it really 300+k worth?

It depends on how you value time and money. On one hand, the damages incurred were exactly one missing set of Ring War gear, so its balanced in that regard. On a man-hour perspective, its something like 200ish man hours to do a ring war, and 300k plat is high for that (all that's really saying is that doing ringwars are worth extra plat per hour spent because of the limited availability).

I'm not involved in this at all personally, as I missed this ring war, and I would never ask for Tissamo to do this. I won't speak for everyone involved, but I believe it is a fairly common sentiment that asking someone to acquire 300k for a situation like this would be a lot. However, I do think it is very honorable to take personal responsibility for an error in this way and reflects well on his character that he would go through the considerable effort to correct the impact of the mistake. I have a lot of respect for how Tissamo is choosing to handle the situation.