<Brexit>

[Thrombosis]

I thought you right-wingers didn't want government intervention and regulation on private businesses? Can't the market sort that out?

Why do you think I'm right wing?

[Horza]

U.S. diplomat's wife leaves U.K. after becoming suspect in fatal road crash. (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/05/wife-of-us-diplomat-leaves-uk-after-becoming-suspect-in-fatal-road-collision)

The wife of a U.S. diplomat has left the U.K. after becoming a suspect in an investigation into the death of a motorcyclist involved in a fatal road collision, police said. Harry Dunn, 19, died after his motorbike and a car collided near RAF Croughton in Northamptonshire on 27 August.

The U.S. embassy in London said it offered its “deepest sympathies” to Dunn’s family following the accident “involving a vehicle driven by the spouse of a US diplomat assigned to the United Kingdom.”

[feniin]

Why do you think I'm right wing?

Because I can read your post history?

[Teppler]

Because I can read your post history?

Yeah but your judgement is horrible.

[Horza]

“Unless the police turn up at the doors of 10 Downing Street with a warrant for the prime minister’s arrest, he won’t be leaving.” (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sack-me-if-you-dare-boris-johnson-will-tell-the-queen-fsbpsnjdc)

In an unprecedented escalation of the constitutional crisis, senior aides said Johnson would not stand aside if his proposals were rejected by Brussels and MPs tried to unseat him to avert a no-deal Brexit. They said Johnson was prepared to “squat” in Downing Street even if MPs declare no confidence in his government and agree a caretaker prime minister to replace him.

[Horza]

Why do you think I'm right wing?

Past few days we've seen MPs call Boris Johnson a fascist, a nazi, a dictator behind a coup. The official slogan of the LibDem party is "B*****ks to Brexit". Leave voters are constantly called racist, thick, far right, liars, uneducated. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2968270&postcount=335)

Boris and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox in good form in parliament tonight. I think plenty of remoaner MPs will be wishing that parliament was still prorogued tonight. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2968256&postcount=333)

[zodium]

i am brexit

[Horza]

“Unless the police turn up at the doors of 10 Downing Street with a warrant for the prime minister’s arrest, he won’t be leaving.” (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sack-me-if-you-dare-boris-johnson-will-tell-the-queen-fsbpsnjdc)

In an unprecedented escalation of the constitutional crisis, senior aides said Johnson would not stand aside if his proposals were rejected by Brussels and MPs tried to unseat him to avert a no-deal Brexit. They said Johnson was prepared to “squat” in Downing Street even if MPs declare no confidence in his government and agree a caretaker prime minister to replace him.

Daily Fail mirror to bypass the paywall. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7542687/Boris-Johnson-dare-Queen-SACK-SQUATTING-Downing-Street-Brexit-done.html)

[Thrombosis]

EU Foreign Minister: EU needs more troops and must be prepared to use them. (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/07/incoming-eu-foreign-affairs-chief-declares-brussels-needs-troops/)

The EU must have more troops and be prepared to use them across the globe, the bloc’s incoming foreign affairs chief has told the European Parliament.

Josep Borrell, who is nominated to be the EU’s next chief diplomat, said that Europe could not allow itself to become “irrelevant” on a world stage dominated by superpowers such as the US and China.

“We have the instruments to play power politics,” he said at a European Parliament hearing into his candidacy to head up the EU foreign affairs service, “The EU has to learn to use the language of power.”

“We should reinforce the EU’s international role and further our military capacity to act,” the 72-year-old Spanish socialist added.

“We should pool our national sovereignties together to multiply the power of individual member states,” Mr Borrell said, "I am convinced that if we don't act together Europe will become irrelevant."

Mr Borrell called for the numbers of EU troops that could be deployed to be raised to at least 55-60,000. He said the 60,000 target was first set in 1999 by EU leaders after the Balkan war.

The EU does have “battlegroups” of 3,000 soldiers from across the EU on standby every six months but these have never been used and would require the unanimous support of every member state before they could be.

Mr Borrell said the EU had to speak with a unified "truly integrated" foreign policy voice on the world stage. He said the total defence spend in the EU was half the GDP of Belgium and more than in China and Russia.

But that spending did not translate into military capacity because it was fragmented among the EU member countries, Mr Borrell said.

"...just a dangerous fantasy" according to some.

[Horza]

The prime minister has urged the U.S. to reconsider giving a diplomat's wife immunity after she left the U.K. despite being a suspect in a fatal crash. (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-49961679)

Anne Sacoolas is wanted by police over the death of motorcyclist Harry Dunn, 19, in Northamptonshire on 27 August. The U.S. State Department said diplomatic immunity was "rarely waived."

Chief constable Nick Adderley said based on CCTV evidence, officers knew that on the night of the crash a vehicle had left the base "on the wrong side of the road."

[Patriam1066]

Sounds more guilty than Amber Guyger to me

[Thrombosis]

EU demands annexation of UK territory as price for leaving EU (https://order-order.com/2019/10/08/no-10-merkel-killed-deal/)

No 10 spokesman:

'The call with Merkel showed the EU has adopted a new position. She made clear a deal is overwhelmingly unlikely and she thinks the EU has a veto on us leaving the Customs Union. Merkel said that if Germany wanted to leave the EU they could do it no problem but the UK cannot leave without leaving Northern Ireland behind in a customs union and in full alignment forever. She said that Ireland is the government’s special problem and Ireland must at least have a veto on NI leaving. Merkel said that the PM should tell Northern Ireland that it must stay in full alignment forever, but that even this would not eliminate customs issues.

‘It was a very useful clarifying moment in all sorts of ways. If this represents a new established position, then it means a deal is essentially impossible not just now but ever. It also made clear that they are willing to torpedo the Good Friday Agreement’

So everyone else can leave the EU no problem, just not the country that actually voted to leave. Funny that. As soon as Barnier started weaponising the Irish border issue I knew that they would be looking to scrap the Good Friday Agreement.

[Thrombosis]

For the record, here's a "leaked" memo from the PM's senior adviser Dominic Cummings:

The negotiations will probably end this week.

Varadkar doesn’t want to negotiate.

Varadkar was keen on talking before the Benn Act when he thought that the choice would be ‘new deal or no deal’.

Since the Benn Act passed he has gone very cold and in the last week the official channels and the backchannels have also gone cold.

Varadkar has also gone back on his commitments — he said if we moved on manufactured goods then he would also move but instead he just attacked us publicly.

It’s clear he wants to gamble on a second referendum and that he’s encouraging Barnier to stick to the line that the UK cannot leave the EU without leaving Northern Ireland behind.

There are quite a few people in Paris and Berlin who would like to discuss our offer but Merkel and Macron won’t push Barnier unless Ireland says it wants to negotiate.

Those who think Merkel will help us are deluded.

As things stand, Dublin will do nothing, hoping we offer more, then at the end of this week they may say ‘OK, let’s do a Northern Ireland only backstop with a time limit’, which is what various players have been hinting at, then we’ll say No, and that will probably be the end.

Varadkar thinks that either there will be a referendum or we win a majority but we will just put this offer back on the table so he thinks he can’t lose by refusing to compromise now. Given his assumptions, Varadkar’s behaviour is arguably rational but his assumptions are, I think, false.

Ireland and Brussels listen to all the people who lost the referendum, they don’t listen to those who won the referendum and they don’t understand the electoral dynamics here.

If this deal dies in the next few days, then it won’t be revived.

To marginalise the Brexit Party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of ‘no more delays, get Brexit done immediately’.

They thought that if May went then Brexit would get softer.

It seems few have learned from this mistake.

They think we’re bluffing and there’s nothing we can do about that, not least given the way May and Hammond constantly talked tough then folded.

So, if talks go nowhere this week, the next phase will require us to set out our view on the Surrender Act.

The Act imposes narrow duties.

Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about.

Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.

We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences.

Those who support delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government] Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.

We will also make clear that this government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless.

They think now that if there is another delay we will keep coming back with new proposals.

This won’t happen.

We’ll either leave with no deal on 31 October or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.

When they say ‘so what is the point of delay?’, we will say “This is not our delay, the government is not asking for a delay — Parliament is sending you a letter and Parliament is asking for a delay but official government policy remains that delay is an atrocious idea that everyone should dismiss.

Any delay will in effect be negotiated between you, Parliament, and the courts — we will wash our hands of it, we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behaviour, everything to do with ‘duty of sincere cooperation’ will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave.

Those who supported delay will face the inevitable consequences of being seen to interfere in domestic politics in a deeply unpopular way by colluding with a Parliament that is as popular as the clap.

Those who pushed the Benn Act intended to sabotage a deal and they’ve probably succeeded.

So the main effect of it will probably be to help us win an election by uniting the leave vote and then a no deal Brexit.

History is full of such ironies and tragedies.

[Swish2]

EU demands annexation of UK territory as price for leaving EU (https://order-order.com/2019/10/08/no-10-merkel-killed-deal/)

Today the UK, next year.... ______ ?

Why would anyone want to be subject to this kind of political behaviour?

All the red tape and things to sign is all bullshit. Northern Ireland isn't Europe's issue, if I was the PM I'd be talking to the Irish Prime Minister on the issue, not some pen pusher on the continent.

[Swish2]

EU Empire to expand into the Balkans as Her Excellency Ursula von der Leyen clears way for North Macedonia and Albania to join. (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1186375/EU-news-european-union-albania-north-macedonia-von-der-leyen-eu-expansion-latest) The noose tightens around Serbia...

Albanians in the UK under the freedom of movement act. That'll really finish us off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpUzgACgBvM

There's also a lot of Albanians living in the south of Serbia these days. Serbia is in a very shitty position... particularly with Croatia definitely not wanting anything to do with them joining the EU.

One thing Serbia values the most? That its 98% (supposedly) ethnic Serbian. They're very nationalistic, the play for EU membership would only be economic - they wouldn't want Croats coming in, or more Albanians for that matter.

[feverq]

Make UK great again!

[Horza]

The Queen has approved another suspension of the U.K.'s parliament. (https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-parliament-prorogued-4843031-Oct2019/)

Parliament will be prorogued from tonight, after the queen approved another suspension of the House of Commons this afternoon. The business of the House of Commons will be suspended from midnight tonight until next Monday, when Johnson will set out a fresh legislative programme in a Queen’s Speech.

[Jimjam]

Sounds like EU gonna need its army ready for 1st Nov with its plan to stop Brexit...

[Thrombosis]

The Queen has approved another suspension of the U.K.'s parliament. (https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-parliament-prorogued-4843031-Oct2019/)

Parliament will be prorogued from tonight, after the queen approved another suspension of the House of Commons this afternoon. The business of the House of Commons will be suspended from midnight tonight until next Monday, when Johnson will set out a fresh legislative programme in a Queen’s Speech.

No feet-stamping this time from the remoaner extremists. Weird.

[Thrombosis]

EU President admits collusion with Speaker John Bercow to undermine Brexit. (https://order-order.com/2019/10/09/eu-president-bercow-working-block-no-deal/)

If this was Trump he'd be impeached for this, but as they're colluding for right-think reasons, nothing will happen.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

No feet-stamping this time from the remoaner extremists. Weird.

Because we are all so bored to tears of it all now.

It's the shittest reality show. Only reality shows we have more control over and we may get a tiny chance of covering Johnson in scorpions or making him eat camel shit.

[Horza]

EU President admits collusion with Speaker John Bercow to undermine Brexit. (https://order-order.com/2019/10/09/eu-president-bercow-working-block-no-deal/)

If this was Trump he'd be impeached for this, but as they're colluding for right-think reasons, nothing will happen.

Trump already is being impeached.

[Horza]

President Trump defends diplomat's wife who killed teenage Briton in crash. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harry-dunn-anne-sacoolas-car-crash-us-diplomat-uk-a9149746.html)

Donald Trump defended the wife of a diplomat accused of killing a British teenager in a road accident, suggesting it is difficult to drive on the other side of the road and that “it happens.” Speaking after a conversation with Boris Johnson, during which he apparently rejected a request to waive the woman’s diplomatic immunity and her returning to Britain to face the police, the president said he wanted to try and bring about “healing.”

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Ya im sure if a UK holiday maker killed someone by driving on the wrong side of the road in America and left without talking to the police it would be just fine. Honest.

Infact i expect no country would be ok with this. With good reason.

[Thrombosis]

Ya im sure if a UK holiday maker killed someone by driving on the wrong side of the road in America and left without talking to the police it would be just fine. Honest.

Infact i expect no country would be ok with this. With good reason.

Never heard of Yvonne Fletcher? Sucks but the Vienna Convention exists for good reason, this is just the latest in a long line of abuses of that treaty. I hope she reconsiders claiming diplomatic immunity. what gets me is that this is the UK for goodness sake - one of the softest countries in the world for criminal justice. I doubt she'd even get a prison sentence if she faced a trial. Not sure what this has to do with Brexit though.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Never heard of Yvonne Fletcher? Sucks but the Vienna Convention exists for good reason, this is just the latest in a long line of abuses of that treaty. I hope she reconsiders claiming diplomatic immunity. what gets me is that this is the UK for goodness sake - one of the softest countries in the world for criminal justice. I doubt she'd even get a prison sentence if she faced a trial. Not sure what this has to do with Brexit though.

Yvonne Fletcher? Yes we have the news in the UK and if people are murdered it shows up.

It would be manslaughter/dangerous driving and so yeah I believe you. She would get a big ass suspended sentance, banned from driving in the UK etc

And yes, no idea either. It just seemed to be appear here.

That aside people seem to be ignoring that Mr Trump thinks this is all fair.

If someone from the UK killed someone in USA and Johnson said "Well it happens" i would utterly condemn him. Disgraceful.

[Thrombosis]

Spain sentences Catalan politicians to between 9 and 13 years in prison (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49974289) for the crime of holding an independence referendum. I await the EU lecturing Spain about "European values".

[Thrombosis]

More bad news for the EU as Poland's anti-EU Law and Justice Party win election with increased share. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50037654) This despite the EU trying their best to interfere with the democratic procedure in Poland.

[Wonkie]

More bad news for the EU as Poland's anti-EU Law and Justice Party win election with increased share. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50037654) This despite the EU trying their best to interfere with the democratic procedure in Poland.

the unabombers cousin is president of poland?

Jaroslaw Kaczynski

[Horza]

the unabombers cousin is president of poland?

Jaroslaw Kaczynski

No, it's this friendly fellow: (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-lgbt/polands-kaczynski-condemns-gay-pride-marches-as-election-nears-idUSKCN1V80FD) Poland must resist the “traveling theater” of gay pride marches, the leader of its conservative ruling party said on Sunday. Kaczynski also said he was “grateful” to a Polish archbishop who said this month that Poland was under siege from a “rainbow plague” of gay rights campaigners whom he compared to Poland’s former Communist rulers.

[Thrombosis]

Good to see the EU's much vaunted 'European Values' on display again tonight. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50048932)

[Thrombosis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50063022

Is a Brexit deal close to being done? The phrase "difficult but possible" is now being bandied around. Personally I'm expecting a deal to be done but it will be the UK capitulating to the EU demands - the EU's puppet MPs in our parliament have undermined our negotiating position again, so that was always going to be the case. The net effect of this will be that when the people are finally allowed to have a say in a general election, I and a few million others I suspect will be voting for the Brexit Party. This makes a marxist government led by Jeremy Corbyn more likely but people are sick of being mugged off by the Tories.

Interesting development this morning is that a group of "people's vote" MPs are off to Brussels to beg the EU not to do a deal with the UK.

[Horza]

Trump ambushed Harry Dunn’s parents by revealing the woman responsible for the teenager’s death was waiting to meet them at the White House. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-meeting-parents-british-teenager-harry-dunn-anne-sacoolas-a9157926.html)

The couple were invited to the Oval Office on Tuesday after travelling to the U.S. in the hope of pressuring Sacoolas to return to Britain to face justice. U.S. national security adviser Robert O’Brien, who was present for the talks with Trump, told the couple “quite emphatically” that Sacoolas “is never coming back” to Britain.

[Thrombosis]

Bombshell as largest poll since referendum shows 54% of respondents would vote Leave (https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-news-showbiz+%28Express+%3A%3A+News+%2F+Showbiz+Feed%29 )

[Thrombosis]

Deal has been done (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385), but DUP won't support it.

A vote in parliament is scheduled for Saturday (normally parliament is closed at the weekend), however remoaner activists have already issued a legal challenge to prevent parliament voting on this deal. It wouldn't surprise me if the EU come out and say that they won't offer the UK an extension if this deal is rejected, ensuring its passing in the HoC.

[Wonkie]

It pays to go legit. Just 13 years after forsaking violence, the Irish have fully reclaimed their entire island. :)

[Jimjam]

So people are saying what a great deal this is, it looks beurocratically more complicated than the backstop was, with more room to administrative mistakes.

Is it really an improvement to backstop?

[Thrombosis]

It pays to go legit. Just 13 years after forsaking violence, the Irish have fully reclaimed their entire island. :)

Yup, sucks for the Northern Irish who will be stuck under the EU yoke for the forseeable future. I actually think that the deal breaks the principles of consent in the Good Friday Agreement so wouldn't be surprised to see things changed in the courts down the line.

[Thrombosis]

So people are saying what a great deal this is, it looks beurocratically more complicated than the backstop was, with more room to administrative mistakes.

Is it really an improvement to backstop?

It's an improvement to the backstop because literally nothing could be worse than the anti-democratic backstop. A clean break Brexit is vastly superior, but I don't blame Boris for coming up with this deal given the way his hands have been tied by our parliament.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

It's an improvement to the backstop because literally nothing could be worse than the anti-democratic backstop. A clean break Brexit is vastly superior, but I don't blame Boris for coming up with this deal given the way his hands have been tied by our parliament.

Yeah well poor Boris wanted this job so bad. Now he has it.

This is the guy who said 75k plus expenses wasn't enough "to live on". Out of touch neolibrasist idiots all of them.

[Wonkie]

Yup, sucks for the Northern Irish who will be stuck under the EU yoke for the forseeable future. I actually think that the deal breaks the principles of consent in the Good Friday Agreement so wouldn't be surprised to see things changed in the courts down the line.

Northern Ireland voted Remain.

[feniin]

Northern Ireland voted Remain.

Amazing that Thrombosis seems to be all about respecting the vote while ignoring the vote at the same time.

[Jimjam]

What suprises me are these free market capitalists cheering on borders and tariffs.

[Thrombosis]

Northern Ireland voted Remain.

The United Kingdom voted Leave, Northern Ireland is part of the UK, as is made clear in the Good Friday Agreement.

[Horza]

The United Kingdom voted Leave, Northern Ireland is part of the UK, as is made clear in the Good Friday Agreement.

Don't pretend you're that stupid. Northern Ireland voted to remain in the E.U. by a majority of 56% to 44%. (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-36614443)

[Thrombosis]

Don't pretend you're that stupid. Northern Ireland voted to remain in the E.U. by a majority of 56% to 44%. (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-36614443)

California voted for Hillary to be President. Remind me who is President of the USA?

[Horza]

California voted for Hillary to be President. Remind me who is President of the USA?

Insult our embarrassment of a president all you'd like, the fact remains an overwhelming majority of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the E.U.

[Kaveh]

Insult our embarrassment of a president all you'd like, the fact remains an overwhelming majority of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the E.U.

55%? Is that overwhelming?

Regardless, who cares. Brexit is dumb anyway

[Horza]

55%? Is that overwhelming?

Regardless, who cares. Brexit is dumb anyway

56 to 44 is a 12 percent lead, but arguing about the definition of the word overwhelming seems pointless.

[Thrombosis]

Insult our embarrassment of a president all you'd like, the fact remains an overwhelming majority of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the E.U.

I didn't insult anyone. Your fact is irrelevant, the only fact that matters is that 52% of UK citizens voted to Leave the EU, so Leave we shall, as a nation.

[Horza]

I didn't insult anyone. Your fact is irrelevant, the only fact that matters is that 52% of UK citizens voted to Leave the EU, so Leave we shall, as a nation.

It's relevant because Northern Ireland is getting what they wanted, staying in the single market and customs union.

[Thrombosis]

It's relevant because Northern Ireland is getting what they wanted, staying in the single market and customs union.

That's the way democracy should work, if you lose the vote you don't get what you voted for. In 2016 16.1 million people didn't get what they wanted, because 17.4 million people voted for something else.

[Wonkie]

I didn't insult anyone. Your fact is irrelevant, the only fact that matters is that 52% of UK citizens voted to Leave the EU, so Leave we shall, as a nation.

why not let Northern Ireland have self determination?

oh we is

[Zeboim]

Can you guys just hurry up and collapse already all this edging is fucking tiring.

[feniin]

A United Ireland and Independent Scotland might be the only positive consequences of this entire shitstorm.

[Jimjam]

That's the way democracy should work, if you lose the vote you don't get what you voted for. In 2016 16.1 million people didn't get what they wanted, because 17.4 million people voted for something else.

Not true, democracy can be about compromise, not just binary rule by majority*

Both NI and England getting 'what they want' seems more democratic than England deciding what NI gets (which in itself is a longstanding tradition).

*technically democracy can be rule by minority as minority parties get to be the kingmaker of hung results.

[Thrombosis]

Not true, democracy can be about compromise, not just binary rule by majority*

Both NI and England getting 'what they want' seems more democratic than England deciding what NI gets (which in itself is a longstanding tradition).

*technically democracy can be rule by minority as minority parties get to be the kingmaker of hung results.

The 2016 referendum wasn't a referendum on Northern Ireland independence, it was a referendum on UK independence. One things for sure, democracy doesn't mean tyranny of the minority which is what we have in the UK at the moment where the minority opinion is able to dictate to everyone else what happens because they think they know best.

[feniin]

England and Wales can go be an independent nation. Scotland and NI will leave the UK and rejoin the EU.

[Wonkie]

The 2016 referendum wasn't a referendum on Northern Ireland independence, it was a referendum on UK independence. One things for sure, democracy doesn't mean tyranny of the minority which is what we have in the UK at the moment where the minority opinion is able to dictate to everyone else what happens because they think they know best.

United Kingdom/Population
66.04 million

European Union/Population
513.5 million people

[Zeboim]

I just can't wait until Boris crashes you guys out with no deal even after all this and runs like a motherfucker for the hills.

[Kaveh]

England and Wales can go be an independent nation. Scotland and NI will leave the UK and rejoin the EU.

Both don’t pay taxes. Have fun with that

[Thrombosis]

England and Wales can go be an independent nation. Scotland and NI will leave the UK and rejoin the EU.

I doubt Scotland will leave the UK if we actually gain UK independence, once the EU has gone the case for Scottish Independence diminishes as well. Northern Ireland is a different matter because of the legacy of the troubles, the conditions for independence are set out in the Good Friday Agreement.

Here's some nice remoaners at today's loser's vote march, hassling a British politician and his young son: https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1185577231118229504

[feniin]

You sound well adjusted.

[Wonkie]

Both don’t pay taxes. Have fun with that

NI is in a prime position to spitroast UK on trade.

Thank you Tories.

[Horza]

MPs have inflicted a humiliating defeat on Boris Johnson by passing a backbench amendment withholding support from his Brexit deal. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/mps-put-brakes-on-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-with-rebel-letwin-amendment)

Instead of backing Johnson’s agreement in a “meaningful vote,” MPs passed an amendment tabled by a cross-party group led by Oliver Letwin by 322 votes to 306. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said, “The prime minister must now comply with the law. He can no longer use the threat of a no-deal crash-out to blackmail MPs to support his sellout deal.”

[Kaveh]

The Anglo sphere should join a political union with an emperor and should slowly take over the melanic portions of earth that aren’t contributing adequately to humanity

WWMAD, what would Marcus Aurelius do

[Swish]

MPs have inflicted a humiliating defeat on Boris Johnson by passing a backbench amendment withholding support from his Brexit deal. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/mps-put-brakes-on-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-with-rebel-letwin-amendment)

Instead of backing Johnson’s agreement in a “meaningful vote,” MPs passed an amendment tabled by a cross-party group led by Oliver Letwin by 322 votes to 306. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said, “The prime minister must now comply with the law. He can no longer use the threat of a no-deal crash-out to blackmail MPs to support his sellout deal.”

What I don't get is these MPs have ignored the 2016 vote (which 34 million or so took part in) and gone into business for themselves. I'm sure there's some EU payoffs going on here but we won't find out for a few years at least.

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/kiQghOO.png

[Thrombosis]

Peter Mandleson, architect of Losers' Vote campaign is linked to disgraced, dead paedo Jeffrey Epstein. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592041/How-Epstein-set-meeting-Petie-Mandelson-banker-prison-cell.html) Well isn't that an odd thing.

[Kaveh]

Dimon, Epstein, and Mandelson

Hmmmm. Something isn’t kosher about this

[Horza]

Boris Johnson's Brexit plan faced a new threat on Sunday night as Labour declared that it would seek the backing of rebel Tories and the DUP. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/20/labour-seeks-new-alliance-to-kill-off-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal)

As both sides sought to gather parliamentary support after Saturday’s vote to force Johnson to seek a new delay to the UK’s departure from the European Union, Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said Labour was prepared to talk to the prime minister’s former allies in the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) about forging a better deal.

The news raises the prospect that a new parliamentary alliance could form at the 11th hour – forcing the government into a softer departure from the EU or a confirmatory vote on whether to leave at all.

[Thrombosis]

Boris Johnson's Brexit plan faced a new threat on Sunday night as Labour declared that it would seek the backing of rebel Tories and the DUP. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/20/labour-seeks-new-alliance-to-kill-off-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal)

As both sides sought to gather parliamentary support after Saturday’s vote to force Johnson to seek a new delay to the UK’s departure from the European Union, Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said Labour was prepared to talk to the prime minister’s former allies in the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) about forging a better deal.

The news raises the prospect that a new parliamentary alliance could form at the 11th hour – forcing the government into a softer departure from the EU or a confirmatory vote on whether to leave at all.

First of all our wonderfully impartial speaker has to decide whether or not to allow the goverment to present its bill to the house. The expectation this morning is that he won't.

[Thrombosis]

https://order-order.com/2019/10/21/bercow-blocks-boris-bringing-back-brexit-vote/

As expected, the impartial speaker sided with remoaners (for a change) and denied the government a meaningful vote on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill that's been negotiated. Remoaners will now seek to impose a second referendum and/or a customs union to undo the largest democratic vote my country has seen.

[Jimjam]

John Bercow has Boris cannot
What dialect of English even is this?

[Kaveh]

How does John Berkowitz stop a parliamentary vote? Isn’t he a (((conservative?)))

[Wonkie]

How does John Berkowitz stop a parliamentary vote? Isn’t he a (((conservative?)))

I think he's the Westminster system equivalent to a Parliamentarian. That's the rules man in our system.

[Jimjam]

How does John Berkowitz stop a parliamentary vote? Isn’t he a (((conservative?)))

Speaker of the House is meant to act non partisan and make sure things are discussed properly.

[Horza]

Speaker of the House is meant to act non partisan and make sure things are discussed properly.

John Bercow is the best part of British politics. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcpajX7EdU)

[Baler]

How has this whole brexit thing affected the European economy over years it's been in motion?

honest question \o/

[Kaveh]

How has this whole brexit thing affected the European economy over years it's been in motion?

honest question \o/

Trick question. No one in Europe is employed

[Thrombosis]

How has this whole brexit thing affected the European economy over years it's been in motion?

honest question \o/

Probably had a little bit of an effect, growth was sluggish before the 2016 referendum and remained so afterwards. I'm sure you can find reports from EU funded think tanks showing that all this sluggishness is down to Brexit, but I think they're over-egging it. The UK remains a desirable place for inward investment, especially in tech start-ups.

Germany is the biggest loser, the uncertainty seems to have really hurt its export industries. Netherlands probably gained the most as some orgs relocated from UK to Amsterdam. France and Italy remain basket cases - for reasons nothing to do with Brexit. The fall in sterling really made my holiday to the US expensive, but I still enjoyed it :)

[Patriam1066]

Europe has an unstable economic model. Pretty much everywhere does :)

[Swish]

John Bercow is the best part of British politics. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcpajX7EdU)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc

[Thrombosis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50146182

MPs have rejected a proposal to examine Boris Johnson's Brexit bill in the Commons in three days.

The Commons supported the Withdrawal Agreement Bill earlier, but have now voted against the short timetable.

Earlier, the PM warned he would seek an election if MPs dismissed the plan and the EU granted an extension to 31 October Brexit deadline.

After the vote, he told the Commons he would "pause" the legislation until the EU had "stated their intentions".

Friday can't come soon enough, Green will save my sanity :o

[Swish]

Need Guy Fawkes at this point.

[Wonkie]

Need Guy Fawkes at this point.

You really down with a Papist ending the Anglican Reign? :eek:

Anyway, he's in hell now for committing suicide. :cool:

[Swish]

Those treacherous snakes in Westminster don't know how out of touch they are with public opinion, and while the BBC/Sky News can attempt to minimize the damage it's a real blow for what was once "democracy"

I'm sure we'll leave the EU "soon", soon like Velious was released ;p

[Kaveh]

How does leaving the EU actually help Britain? Also, just invade Ireland, they speak English anyway. I’m really tired of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland pretending they didn’t get dunked on by the Saxons

Joscelin de Courtenay 2020

[Thrombosis]

How does leaving the EU actually help Britain?

I think it will help us because:

1. All of our laws will be made by politicians that have been elected by UK voters;
2. People in the UK generally understand to a reasonable degree how laws are made in this country;
3. We will have £14bn a month cash to spend in the UK rather than sending it to Brussels.

[Thrombosis]

I think it will help us because:

1. All of our laws will be made by politicians that have been elected by UK voters;
2. People in the UK generally understand to a reasonable degree how laws are made in this country;
3. We will have £14bn a month cash to spend in the UK rather than sending it to Brussels.
Err, £14bn a year. Sorry.

[Thrombosis]

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1187267776861409280

Remoaners: vote for the Surrender Act which hands control of Brexit to the EU, then complain that we've lost control :confused:

[Swish]

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1187267776861409280

Remoaners: vote for the Surrender Act which hands control of Brexit to the EU, then complain that we've lost control :confused:

David Lammy... ugh



Lammy Demands Illegal Migrant Amnesty, Says Comparing Brexit Tories to Nazis ‘Not Strong Enough’ https://t.co/mtCr9TRDQS (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/15/lammy-demands-illegal-migrant-amnesty-comparing-erg-tories-nazis-not-strong-enough/)

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) April 15, 2019

[Patriam1066]

David Lammy.... why do people who aren’t British have a say? I don’t understand Europe, you guys should’ve told immigrants to eat shit. Instead. Now you’re f’ed like America. SAD!

[Baler]

David Lammy.... why do people who aren’t British have a say?

The same stupid fucking reason people who aren't american have a say in american politics. ;)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Err, £14bn a year. Sorry.

10-11bn when you consider how much we spend of that directly in the UK

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

In 2017, the UK's ‘public sector receipts’ are estimated to be £4.3 billion.

11bn net sent in 2018

Just saying (Because 3-4 billion quid is a LOT of money)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

David Lammy.... why do people who aren’t British have a say? I don’t understand Europe, you guys should’ve told immigrants to eat shit. Instead. Now you’re f’ed like America. SAD!

David Lammy is 100% British. Born in London. His parents were not english though.

But then again nor were our HOME SECRETARYS parents.

But who cares. David Lammy and Priti Patel are both legally english.

Like our prime minister who is dual nationality American/English (since he was born in New York)

[Thrombosis]

Like our prime minister who is dual nationality American/English (since he was born in New York)

FYI Johnson gave up his US citizenship in 2016.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Shame. He is a twat. Why do we have to keep him.

[Thrombosis]

Shame. He is a twat. Why do we have to keep him.

It seems because the UK doesn't tax its citizens on money they make in another country :p

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

It seems because the UK doesn't tax its citizens on money they make in another country :p

Yep. Tax havens are a way of life for mps here. One of the reasons for brexit (among the wealthy)

[Horza]

Boris Johnson has abandoned his “do or die” pledge to leave the E.U. by 31 October and will plead with MPs next week to give him a pre-Christmas general election. Downing Street sources claimed that if MPs rejected Johnson’s request, he would pull the withdrawal agreement bill and continue “campaigning” for a general election every day. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/24/boris-johnson-to-ask-mps-to-back-pre-christmas-election)

[Jimjam]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-woes-millions-of-apples-left-to-rot-as-eu-pickers-stay-away-ctsdvtbsw

Farmers are being forced to leave millions of apples, and many other fruits and vegetables, rotting in orchards and fields because of a shortage of workers.

One hundred tonnes of fruit has gone unpicked in Britain already this season, meaning more than 16 million apples so far have been left to rot at the peak of harvest season due to a Brexit-led employment slump.

'Farmers are being forced...'

Serious question:

One of the Brexit windfalls was literally that seasonal jobs would once again be open to residents. What went wrong? Could they not hire domestic labour temps? Would it be too expensive? I'm sure through clever marketing plenty of proud Britons would be available?

Is there still time?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I've seen interviews with farmers who have said they just cant keep people motivated for long enough. The work is gruelling and boring. Marketing will get them INTO the job, but it wont keep them.

Circumstance kept a lot of foreign workers busy. Seems a catch 22 anyway. If they have to pay them more to pick the fruit the price of said fruit will increase. There is only so much people will pay for fruit (regardless of if its worth more or not).

People have an expectation of price bred through cheap wages paid by some farmers to migrant workers. The lure of cheap labour is high im sure.

[Horza]

E.U. delays Brexit extension decision as France piles pressure on MPs. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/25/michel-barnier-eu-brexit-extension-boris-johnson-election)

The E.U. will delay its decision on the length of the Brexit extension until next Monday or Tuesday after France piled pressure on MPs ahead of a vote on Boris Johnson’s demand for a pre-Christmas general election. During a meeting of E.U. diplomats, the French ambassador stood alone in arguing that it was not the right time to agree a three-month delay, in a move that will be welcomed in Downing Street.

[Horza]

The Scottish National Party and Lib Dems have joined forces to attempt to force a general election in early December, but on a different timetable from that wanted by Boris Johnson. (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-26/snp-and-lib-dems-unite-to-force-december-general-election-writes-robert-peston/)

[Horza]

do you do anything other then read and recycle garbage every day / night?

Do you do anything other than get banned and make more accounts?

[Wonkie]

Do you do anything other than get banned and make more accounts?

https://i.imgur.com/RoDt9nq.jpg

[Thrombosis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603

Macron caves into Merkel yet again as EU "offer" extension to 31st January.

[Jimjam]

I guess this means we get to implement that EU tax transparency law?

Or will it just get ignored as we'll be out of their jurisdiction the very next day?

[Purplefluffy]

Primarily idiots voted for BREXIT and took in all the lies being offered to them by team Leave EU. What is more, they were happy to dive into their racism and to see it legitimised.

The idiots didn't know that tech experts downloaded all their FB profiles, fashion habits etc., and profiled them using forensic psychology. They then sent individualised memes, often racist and always lies, to trigger the prejudice and racism; leading people down the path to extremism to get the votes they wanted. Some politicians actually got murdered, that is how effective they were with those tools and which they use to get people to do stuff like the Christchurch shooting.

The actual methods used came from 'SCL group' whom were a British military contractor that specialised in radicalising people and turning them to violence to achieve strategic aims. Once they even triggered a genocide in Africa. Just read that again, the methods used were designed to make extremists and terrorists and then were applied to radicalise identified votes in their racism to get their votes.

That's all been reported on and the electoral commission found that they broke the law. If the referendum had been binding it would be rendered null and void but they set it up as an advisory referendum and just played the public mind.

Idiots and a lot of racists; the UK today. Good job guys, good job. Me? Well, the climate change thing is real and very pressing so you know the idiots are going to lose their way of life anyway. Pretty sure the racists and idiots will just be like 'but we got our BREXIT cornflakes' as the Country goes to hell in a hand basket.

Mark my words, these people will be pushing for overt culls of mass groups of people soon, like what we are hearing from all the Trump supporters and white supremacists in the US. Didn't you all know that the same folk that got Trump in via illegal means were the sames ones that cheated and got the BREXIT vote?

[Horza]

Boris Johnson loses vote to hold U.K. election on Dec. 12, says government will try again on Tuesday. (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/28/boris-johnson-loses-vote-to-hold-uk-general-election-on-december-12.html)

[Teppler]

Do people still think the elites are going to allow democratically voted brexit to happen?

This is going to turn into an annual holiday that becomes celebrated. Annual Extension Day where the EU is celebrated and peace between the UK and EU is outlined by the annual ceremony of politicians signing the documents the delay it another year which becomes just standard after a while.

[Horza]

Boris Johnson abandons Brexit bill in new push for December election. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/boris-johnson-abandons-brexit-bill-in-new-push-for-december-election)

Johnson will abandon attempts to push his Brexit bill through this parliament in a bid to get the Liberal Democrats and the SNP to agree to an election before Christmas – although the parties are still in dispute over the potential date.

[feniin]

oh good, baby hitler is back

[Jimjam]

Do people still think the elites are going to allow democratically voted brexit to happen?

This is going to turn into an annual holiday that becomes celebrated. Annual Extension Day where the EU is celebrated and peace between the UK and EU is outlined by the annual ceremony of politicians signing the documents the delay it another year which becomes just standard after a while.

It looks like the push is to have Brexit day on a date after the EU tax avoidance is enshrined in Britsh law, as i predicted.

[Thrombosis]

Labout to finally back election on December 12th? (https://order-order.com/2019/10/29/shadow-cabinet-agree-back-december-election/) Hilariously Corbyn claiming that his conditions for taking no deal off the table have been met, despite literally nothing changing since yesterday.

Edit: hearing that Labour will also try and change the law so that 16 and 17 year olds will be allowed to vote, and EU citizens with settled status. "If the voters won't vote for us we'll find other voters who will".

Edit 2: Organisation that runs UK elections tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/status/1188780310248513537) yesterday, reminding students that they can register to vote in two places, but please, pretty please only vote once in a general election. Hmm...

[Thrombosis]

Humiliating defeat for Jeremy Corbyn as the UK looks set for 12th Dec election... (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50229318)

... but will this be a repeat of 2017? No doubt the remoaner media will be scrutinising the Conservative manifesto hard, and the Labour campaign machine should not be underestimated. Ordinarily the Lords would rubber stamp their approval for this election but will they this time? Will John Bercow finally quit on Thursday? Hold onto your butts folks.

[Wonkie]

Humiliating defeat for Jeremy Corbyn as the UK looks set for 12th Dec election... (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50229318)

... but will this be a repeat of 2017? No doubt the remoaner media will be scrutinising the Conservative manifesto hard, and the Labour campaign machine should not be underestimated. Ordinarily the Lords would rubber stamp their approval for this election but will they this time? Will John Bercow finally quit on Thursday? Hold onto your butts folks.



How is it a defeat for Corbyn if he made the Labour party vote for it?

https://i.imgur.com/ZPJrgpG.gif

[Teppler]

It looks like the push is to have Brexit day on a date after the EU tax avoidance is enshrined in Britsh law, as i predicted.

I’ll be amazed if anything happens short of a bloody revolt. I don’t think the remain side kicks and screams this much to give it up now. My intuition about this situation, just watching the way politicians are talking and dealing with this is, Brexit will never happen. It will always be a one step forward one step back thing. Which is very sad if elites go this way to stop an initiative that was voted by the people.

[Jimjam]

I gotta disagree, it looks 2 steps forward 1 step back to me. Its like a political game of rugby where the only way to gain ground is to throw the ball backward.

[Swish]

The ballot boxes are going to punish them hard when it comes to an election, its only because people can't afford to get on the streets and protest that they've gotten away with it in my view...and most people I know on Facebook.

Boris Johnson has screwed up though, he's still angled for a deal... which doesn't give us a clean break from the justice system or out of touch human right laws which protect every illegal migrant (whether they're actual refugees, which we should have a partial duty to, or people just wanting to make some money by sneaking in on trucks etc).

Also, definitely don't read BBC News if you want a balanced opinion on it <3

[Jimjam]

He is making exactly the same plays as May.

Use the threat of 'No Deal' to push through a deal, hold a general election to try create a parliament that will support the deal.

Obviously triggering article 50 and holding a general election didn't help TM, she just got hit with extensions, she got hit with leavers being too fussy which let remainers quash any deal put to vote.

We'll see if things play out differently for BJ.

I honestly believe JC could have had last election if he campaigned honestly based on two facts: 1) he is a lifetime eurosceptic so leavers could trust him to leave and 2) as a Labour leader he could be trusted to represent the people; protecting rights they had gained from Europe which would likely be stripped under a Conservative party Brexit, which would go some way to allaying remainer Brexit fears.

The fact he didn't campaign for this People's Brexit (instead of the disaster capitalists one we've been facing down) proves to me he has no intention of being PM and simply prefers the role of leader of the opposition.

[Purplefluffy]

I’ll be amazed if anything happens short of a bloody revolt. I don’t think the remain side kicks and screams this much to give it up now. My intuition about this situation, just watching the way politicians are talking and dealing with this is, Brexit will never happen. It will always be a one step forward one step back thing. Which is very sad if elites go this way to stop an initiative that was voted by the people.

Second referendum. All the evidence points to mass cheating. Even those that worked on the leave campaign came out as whistle blowers. It was all about US and Russian interests taking out their main competitor, the EU, and ripping the UK away and putting it into a state of vassalage to the US.

[Thrombosis]

How is it a defeat for Corbyn if he made the Labour party vote for it?

Half the Labour party rebelled against Corbyn and didn't vote for the general election yesterday. It's a defeat because he was forced into making an embarassing u-turn by other parties - the LibDems and SNP.

[Horza]

Farage to Johnson: join forces or Brexit party will contest every seat. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/01/farage-to-johnson-join-forces-or-brexit-party-will-contest-every-seat)

Nigel Farage has launched his general election campaign by saying his Brexit party will contest every seat in the country unless Boris Johnson agrees to drop his deal with the E.U. and sign up to a “leave alliance.” The former UKIP leader also praised the U.S. president, Donald Trump, for his intervention in which he suggested the prime minister and the Brexit party should form a partnership.

[Horza]

The front page of today’s issue of the Telegraph: ‘Jews will leave if Corbyn wins.’

[Thrombosis]

The front page of today’s issue of the Telegraph: ‘Jews will leave if Corbyn wins.’

I agree, they probably will, along with anyone who is young, intelligent and healthy if they have any sense.

[Horza]

I agree, they probably will, along with anyone who is young, intelligent and healthy if they have any sense.

I'm sure every Jew in the U.K. will emigrate if someone other than a Tory wins, that seems like a prediction a person who isn't crazy would make.

[Swish]

You're not talking about a very big community outside of a couple of cities. How that made headlines I'm not sure.

[Horza]

You're not talking about a very big community outside of a couple of cities. How that made headlines I'm not sure.

It's just fear mongering to try and drum up some votes for Boris.

[Wonkie]

You're not talking about a very big community outside of a couple of cities. How that made headlines I'm not sure.

263,346

66.44m

Number small, other number much bigger

[Swish]

Labour tends to have the muslim vote by religion, a counterpoint might be antisemitic but it might light a fire under them to vote for Corbyn...as horrible as it sounds.

I'm surprised that kind of headline was allowed to be published with any strong Brexit headlines apparently coinciding with a rise in racist attacks across the country.... but again... that's if you believe it.

[Swish]

263,346

66.44m

Number small, other number much bigger

Thats less than 0.4% of the country. So I'll make the point again - why does 0.4% of the country's population get a headline on their intentions at a general election? A lot of the UK's muslim voters aren't big on Jewish communities due to Israel etc, and they tend to be typical Labour voters. I'd expect a few cries of anti-Semitism.

It's extremely rare to see a traditional Jewish family anywhere in my county or the ones surrounding it. I know they exist, but they're mainly concentrated into suburbs of London and other cities.

Fish and chips... one of the UK's favourite foods, has its origins in a Jewish part of East London. Fried fish was big when a lot of Jewish migrants came in the 19th/early 20th century. If you wanted a fact for the day <3

[Horza]

Thats less than 0.4% of the country. So I'll make the point again - why does 0.4% of the country's population get a headline on their intentions at a general election? A lot of the UK's muslim voters aren't big on Jewish communities due to Israel etc, and they tend to be typical Labour voters. I'd expect a few cries of anti-Semitism.

The headline is one hundred percent anti-semitic, whatever it takes to get more votes for the Tories.

[Wonkie]

Thats less than 0.4% of the country. So I'll make the point again - why does 0.4% of the country's population get a headline on their intentions at a general election? A lot of the UK's muslim voters aren't big on Jewish communities due to Israel etc, and they tend to be typical Labour voters. I'd expect a few cries of anti-Semitism.

It's extremely rare to see a traditional Jewish family anywhere in my county or the ones surrounding it. I know they exist, but they're mainly concentrated into suburbs of London and other cities.

Fish and chips... one of the UK's favourite foods, has its origins in a Jewish part of East London. Fried fish was big when a lot of Jewish migrants came in the 19th/early 20th century. If you wanted a fact for the day <3

I can't tell if I'm agreeing with you because I don't speak British.

Isn't Corbyn a leaver though?

[Kaveh]

The headline is one hundred percent anti-semitic, whatever it takes to get more votes for the Tories.

Corbyn is a well documented anti-Semite

I would know

[Thrombosis]

I'm sure every Jew in the U.K. will emigrate if someone other than a Tory wins, that seems like a prediction a person who isn't crazy would make.

Not if someone other than a Tory wins, just Corbyn - who is an anti-semite and leads an anti-semitic party. Not sure why this is difficult to believe, look at what's happening in France and the exodus (pun intended) of Jewish people from there.

[Thrombosis]

Isn't Corbyn a leaver though?

Historically yes, but his current position is to negotiate a new withdrawal agreement with the EU, then put it to a referendum and campaign against that deal for remain.

[Swish]

Historically yes, but his current position is to negotiate a new withdrawal agreement with the EU, then put it to a referendum and campaign against that deal for remain.

Technically that way, the UK doesn't have any control over anything in terms of how the EU conducts itself but we have to continue putting in 55million-60million GBP a week, have no control over our own borders, our own waters in terms of fishing and a bunch of other stuff.

So what you're getting there is Neville Chamberlain the 2nd, seeking appeasement because he's too weak to stand up to what's wrong with an out of control Germany.

[Jimjam]

Doesn't the UK have a veto for constitutional changes to EU treaties as well as other areas like justice, taxation and others i have forgotten?

Not that vetos ever get used...

[Thrombosis]

Doesn't the UK have a veto for constitutional changes to EU treaties as well as other areas like justice, taxation and others i have forgotten?

Not that vetos ever get used...

Yup, think all member states can veto certain things - Cameron last used ours back in 2011 for some financial markets regulation for the Eurozone crisis but which would have impacted us. As you say it's rare that anyone ever uses the veto, I couldn't say why, maybe it makes those lavish dinners in Berlaymont a bit awkward later.

The EU is moving toward Qualified Majority Voting i.e. taking away the power of veto from member states. This will 100% happen it's just a question of when. It's possible that someone could veto these changes - the UK if we are still in the EU, but no-one will.

[Tobius]

I was a delegate in the Brexit compositing meeting at the labour party conference 2019.
AMA.

[solleks]

Did you feel like an actor at a party?

[Horza]

When Andrew Neil asked Nadhim Zahawi if he really believes Jeremy Corbyn wanted to have rich people shot, the Conservative business minister replied, "I don't know, you will have to ask him that question." (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1192160419235786753)

[Thrombosis]

Vote Tory and stop Corbyn (https://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/general-election-2019/2019/11/07/vote-tory-to-stop-corbyn-says-ian-austin-as-ex-labour-mp-quits-parliament-2/), says retiring Labour MP.

[Horza]

A Liberal Democrat candidate arguing that poor people affected by the austerity her party voted for should zip off to Zurich for chalet season.

[Swish]

A Liberal Democrat candidate arguing that poor people affected by the austerity her party voted for should zip off to Zurich for chalet season.

Lib Dems lost all their student voters years ago when the party couldn't honour the abolition of student tuition fees when they formed a coalition with the Conservatives. Actually the lib dems lost a chunk of their seats as well in the following election and they haven't really recovered.

Stupid shit like this and wanting migration from other countries uncapped is why they're doomed. Their traditional pensioner voters sadly, have mostly passed away. In my opinion the next batch of retirees is more likely to vote for the Brexit Party than Conservatives, Labour or this lot :p

[Horza]

Brexit Party stands by candidate in 'Nazi vampire' band. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-brexit-party-nazi-vampire-band-candidate-graham-cushway-a9196586.html)

Stuka Squadron perform in black leather coats and military-style hats, billed as “vampire warriors who have fought through the ages on innumerable battlefields.” Though its outfits were inspired by German Luftwaffe pilots, the band has denied having any political message. “To suggest that he is in any way associated with that which people are trying to associate him with is just silly,” a Brexit Party spokesman said.

[Wonkie]

Brexit Party stands by candidate in 'Nazi vampire' band. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-brexit-party-nazi-vampire-band-candidate-graham-cushway-a9196586.html)

Stuka Squadron perform in black leather coats and military-style hats, billed as “vampire warriors who have fought through the ages on innumerable battlefields.” Though its outfits were inspired by German Luftwaffe pilots, the band has denied having any political message. “To suggest that he is in any way associated with that which people are trying to associate him with is just silly,” a Brexit Party spokesman said.

Eww, face tattoos. :(

[Teppler]

They may scream a little and say “oh my water is bad” but they end up not really doing much. So it doesn’t really matter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s

[Horza]

They may scream a little and say “oh my water is bad” but they end up not really doing much. So it doesn’t really matter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s

[Teppler]

They may scream a little and say “oh we voted brexit through and aren’t getting it” but they end up not really doing much. So it doesn’t really matter.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/6zgp7Q6.jpg

[Swish]

Brexit Party stands by candidate in 'Nazi vampire' band. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-brexit-party-nazi-vampire-band-candidate-graham-cushway-a9196586.html)

Stuka Squadron perform in black leather coats and military-style hats, billed as “vampire warriors who have fought through the ages on innumerable battlefields.” Though its outfits were inspired by German Luftwaffe pilots, the band has denied having any political message. “To suggest that he is in any way associated with that which people are trying to associate him with is just silly,” a Brexit Party spokesman said.

When UKIP was running strong and won the European elections a few years back the media found it easy to pick apart and privately investigate everyone to the point where if they breathed the wrong way they'd be exposed.

When Nigel Farage set up the Brexit Party the candidates were going to be much more tightly vetted so that attempts to slander the party wouldnt be as easy. Nice to see the tryhard Independent still having a go. The candidate has a doctorate in history, and theres still people out there that would let Diane Abbott (Labour) be the home secretary when she can't even add up.

[Horza]

When Nigel Farage set up the Brexit Party the candidates were going to be much more tightly vetted so that attempts to slander the party wouldnt be as easy. Nice to see the tryhard Independent still having a go. The candidate has a doctorate in history, and theres still people out there that would let Diane Abbott (Labour) be the home secretary when she can't even add up.

The guy certainly has an unusually strong interest in history, if you know what I mean.

The band say they dress as “vampire Luftwaffe pilots,” in leather trenchcoats and caps like those of the German regime’s airforce. The title track of the album Tales of the Ost, named in apparent reference to the eastern front, contains the lyrics “Flying high above them all, the saviours of the Reich, the Stuka Squadron vampires head into the fight. An Iron Cross on every chest, the Squadron dwindled fast.” (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-nazi-luftwaffe-band-graham-cushway-brighton-kemptown-cushway-a9195971.html)

[Swish]

The guy certainly has an unusually strong interest in history, if you know what I mean.

The band say they dress as “vampire Luftwaffe pilots,” in leather trenchcoats and caps like those of the German regime’s airforce. The title track of the album Tales of the Ost, named in apparent reference to the eastern front, contains the lyrics “Flying high above them all, the saviours of the Reich, the Stuka Squadron vampires head into the fight. An Iron Cross on every chest, the Squadron dwindled fast.” (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-nazi-luftwaffe-band-graham-cushway-brighton-kemptown-cushway-a9195971.html)

If I listen to rap music does it mean I support killing people that aren't from my area? The Independent would probably think so.

[Jimjam]

Yea, no.

Clearly these guys aren't, and don't think they are, some immortal ancient vampires that fought for the Third Reich.

It's just typical metal fantasy finding glamour in horror.

It's make believe. Like Halloween.

[Kaveh]

If I listen to rap music does it mean I support killing people that aren't from my area? The Independent would probably think so.

No but it does make you a NL

https://youtu.be/_jIZ_GW4w2A

RIP 2pac

[Horza]

Yea, no.

Clearly these guys aren't, and don't think they are, some immortal ancient vampires that fought for the Third Reich.

It's just typical metal fantasy finding glamour in horror.

It's make believe. Like Halloween.

It's just your typical metal fantasy about immortal white supremacists, totally normal and not profoundly disturbing.

[Horza]

Corbyn says he would not support Scottish independence referendum in the first term of a Labour government. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-referendum-corbyn-labour-snp-indyref2-election-a9201286.html)

[Wonkie]

Corbyn says he would not support Scottish independence referendum in the first term of a Labour government. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-referendum-corbyn-labour-snp-indyref2-election-a9201286.html)

Well yeah. You have to right the ship before you unload the baggage.

[Thrombosis]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-hungary.html

Interesting article on the corruption that EU farm subsidies support. The EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), which effects these subsidies, was set up primarily to aid France's rural poor, who often rely on subsistence farming to live. In 2005 UK Prime Minister Toby Bliar gave up a chunk of the UK's EU rebate (which we get because we didn't really benefit as a nation from the CAP) in return for reform of the CAP. To date no such reform of CAP has taken place.

[Horza]

Alan Moore drops anarchism to champion Labour against Tory 'parasites.' (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/nov/21/alan-moore-drops-anarchism-to-champion-labour-against-tory-parasites)

U.K. voters may find choosing between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn unappealing, but the comics legend is in no doubt, declaring “some leaders are so unbelievably malevolent and catastrophic that they must be strenuously opposed by any means available.”

[feniin]

What sort of person looks at Boris Johnson and thinks "yeah, that's my guy"

[Horza]

Boris Johnson heckled by Question Time audience as he dodges questions on Russia report. One audience member repeatedly shouted “it’s not true” as Johnson claimed that it was not possible to publish the Intelligence and Security Committee report before the general election. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-russia-report-question-time-election-debate-audience-a9214556.html)

[Kaveh]

What sort of person looks at Boris Johnson and thinks "yeah, that's my guy"

Corbyn looks homeless, but yeah, anyone named Boris delenda est

[Jimjam]

What sort of person looks at Boris Johnson and thinks "yeah, that's my guy"

People value gentlemanliness as a vaneer. People who put the ends before the means. People to whom the law is a system of restraint, not protection. People to whom the status quo is intolerable.

People see problems in how things are. He offers a solution. The solution to end the problem.

Personally I don't buy it. It all feels rather sinister. Its all scapegoats and oldboy cronyism masquerading as free market capitalism.

[Thrombosis]

I think a lot of people, myself included, see Boris as being the least-worst option given the alternatives in most of the country are Comrade Corbyn or Swinoccio. People are genuinely worried about a Corbyn government, with good reason imo, and so will vote to prevent that - the Brexit Party pulled out of over half the constituencies because they didn't want to be seen doing anything to enable a Corbyn victory.

[Jimjam]

I've never voted labour.

I liked JRM's (conservative leave campaigner) idea during the referendum that we'd negotiate the best deal possible then have a deciding referendum once we knew the facts.

I've also seen the scarcity of land in the UK dissuades developers from building entry level or affordable family housing, and regulations that encourage it are ignored or unenforced. The freemarket had spoken and the poor don't deserve homes, which has disastrous social and economic consequences (I've worked and volunteered extensively in the 'homeless' sector, been a research assistant for a phd on the consequences of unemployment, a landlord for Amnesty International service users). As market forces have failed, we need a government plan to build affordable housing, JC offers this, especially if it acts as a cash injection into the construction sector while reducing housing benefit payments.

I'm sorrly tempted to vote Labour for these two reasons, along with the fact I don't have an iota of trust in Boris (though honestly I think he is little more than a faceman puppet).

Horrifyingly I think I'll be voting for labour, and living in a conservative safe seat (the one Ken Clarke occupied before standing down, unfortunately in my eyes as he was one of the few MPs i genuinely respected), I can do so with the clean conscience of wasting vote.

If they get enough MPs to form a government all this Brexit nonsense should be sorted out by the next election... Over by Christmas (2020) right?!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

COrbyn homeless looking? Looks like the average 70 year old man to me.

This whole "comrade corbyn" thing is weird. Wanting to nationalize things isn't communist. It's normal to nationalize services, tons of countries worldwide have nationalized power, rail, communications etc.

WE are the odd ones out. People parrot on about TAKING BACK CONTROL. Fine go on about immigration all you want, but we wont have real control back till we control the things which keep us alive.

Currently out grid part owned by UK and otherwise between canadian, chinese, german and middle eastern companies among others.

A fair portion of our rail network is french, german and dutch owned.

Our post is at least 21% owned by a german consortium.

Nationalization will hurt to begin with and will have issues. No doubt. But dont blame those who seek to nationaize it. Blame those who privatized in the past.

Selling things off is easy and gets a quick buck. Keeping things in our control may be tougher in the long run but is better for our country.

I can't think of a single reason anyone who is parroting this "taking back control" stuff could have to OPPOSE renationalization of utilities and services.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Deep down if you are a common working person and identify with Boris Johnson (an upper class wealthy man who acts like a baffoon despite being fiercely intelligent and has been caught out being PUBLICALLY racist) then something is likely amiss.

The whole thing with Corbyn and anti semitism i am activley looking at. If true it's an issue, but in fairness just as much as an issue as Johnson ragging on muslims.

What i DO know is he was arrested for refusing to pay poll tax (something he could EASIIIIILY afford) and arrested for protesting against anti apartheid. Ever hear of Boris Johnson protesting against anything? Being strong armed away by the police? Nor have i.

He is far more the common person representing the interests of the common person.

[Jimjam]

Is Corbin really antisemite? He seems to dislike Israel, but that isn't exactly the same thing.

He seems willing to be forge discourse instead of stonewalling, which I view as important to facilitate the peace process. Ironically the Good Friday agreement that ended the troubles, but also impedes Brexit was impart due to Brexit: I guess as a Eurosceptic his negotiating down of terrorists ended up being his own undoing!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Exactly my thoughts. I'm not fully sure where the whole anti semite thing comes from (thus me needed to investigate).

I <do> know where Boris johnsons stuff comes from because it was caught on camera with sufficient witnesses.

Regardless any common working class person who votes for Mr Johnson is either deluding themselves into thinking they are a higher class than they are (which the Tories will be MORE than happy to cure their delusions of) or are voting for the person and not the party too much.

It's been so long since the UK has had a REAL labour government (Diet Tory Tony Blair doesnt count). Think Carry on Films and a real labour government is more the time line afaik.

People say "whaaaa Corbyn hasnt been effective". Yes well to be fair he has no real POWER as he isn't "IN" power.

Seems clear to me we either take a chance with actual change or just leave the hands of the UK in the upper class wealthy elites who have shown their hand for the past 9 years.

Also calling a general election when students are JUST coming home for the xmas so they likely will not be voting (because so many dont realize you can REGISTER to vote in 2 places). Dick move. Truely the calculated move of the desperate.

Its no coincidence that this was done, the tories know the majority of young people are going to vote labour. By tactically trying to exclude them they increase their share. Despicable tactics.

[Thrombosis]

This whole "comrade corbyn" thing is weird. Wanting to nationalize things isn't communist. It's normal to nationalize services, tons of countries worldwide have nationalized power, rail, communications etc.

WE are the odd ones out. People parrot on about TAKING BACK CONTROL. Fine go on about immigration all you want, but we wont have real control back till we control the things which keep us alive.

Currently out grid part owned by UK and otherwise between canadian, chinese, german and middle eastern companies among others.

A fair portion of our rail network is french, german and dutch owned.

Our post is at least 21% owned by a german consortium.

Nationalization will hurt to begin with and will have issues. No doubt. But dont blame those who seek to nationaize it. Blame those who privatized in the past.

Selling things off is easy and gets a quick buck. Keeping things in our control may be tougher in the long run but is better for our country.

I can't think of a single reason anyone who is parroting this "taking back control" stuff could have to OPPOSE renationalization of utilities and services.

You realise the socialist wing of the Labour Party revel in referring to themselves as "comrade" - it's literally how the Labour Party Conference is addressed.

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country, but I am old enough to remember Mrs Thatcher's market reforms that brought about many improvements e.g. it was common for it to take months for a BT technician to connect your home to a phone line (unless you knew a corrupt one, of which there were many), and you had to buy your phone from BT. Now it takes days, and you can buy any phone you want from anywhere.

I personally don't really care whether a service provider is state-owned or privately owned, what I do care about is that there is competition in the market so I can chose who I buy from. Of course, some things are natural monopolies such as Royal Mail, which I agree should never have been privatised - interestingly it was both Labour (under Blair) and the Conservatives who pushed that through to implement EU competition law. The rail network also was a disaster when it was privatised, so is rightly back in national hands, I'm not decided about the train-operating companies - I'm fortunate to live in the South-East and I can see that they've invested in new trains which are much better than the ancient slam-door trains that were used after British Rail was privatised. I know that's not the case everywhere and Northern Rail is a disgrace (they got our second-hand trains).

Ultimately I fear you will have less control than you think over a nationalised service provider, the only control we as individuals have is to take our business elsewhere, sometimes that's not possible, but where it is there should be consumer choice.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

All i know is my area is fully privatised buses. Local bus company has the monopoly. Prices hikes all the time.

Its my ONLY option to get to work and they know it. Any discounts, offers etc do not apply before 9am (E.g. when people go to work).

Comrade did not originate from communist roots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade

I dunno what to tell you, it may be they are indeed using it in the communist way but also possible because Labour members are naturally more a group of people with shared ideals. I dont think its far of a stretch to say all that connects Tory members is the love of money and power....HONESTLY i mean that.

In general someone with socialist views (actual socialist views) are less likely to screw over a colleague for monetary gain.

The same cannot be said about someone with more capitalist views. Let be honest.

Perhaps i will have less control than i want but i know it will be harder for the COUNTRY to be held to ransom by another country. If any of these EU countries which own massive parts of our power, water, rail etc have economic issues how will they get some easy money?

Yep, by jacking up the prices of OUR services.

Not what i call taking power back. Sounds to me like making quick money NOW and hoping things work out later.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I almost can have respect that she truely believed some of the things she did were for the good of the country.

I respect her as a politician far more than shithawks like Boris Johnson and David Cameron etc, i doubt thatcher would of had much time for them.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country

You're old enough to have seen the cold winds of the tories making people use food banks as though its normal though.

It's ok though its "uplifting" to see people going cap in hand to charities to get spaghetti hoops im sure. They probably deserve it (shitehawks like Priti Patel, Rees Mogg, Duncan Smith, Amber Rudd etc seem to think so)

[Thrombosis]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Austerity is just controlled poverty. It would work if they not just obviously giving contracts for government stuff to their mates and getting kickbacks.

It's all so obvious and they are laughing at the common people because we are powerless to anything about it (E.g. carillion collapsing with the ceos earning millions)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

My kids dont get school dinners now either. Which is ok, they can have packed lunches but mate so many kids who families are poor now dont even get a school dinner. Who cares if its not ala carte, for some familes it was the only hot meal they got in a day.

How much did taking this away save the goverment? Not a drop in the ocean compared to the tax they dont pay or what they embezzle in expenses.

Between cuts like this and forcing to people into foodbanks its NO CONTEST to me who is on the side of the common man.

The amount of people who have to go cap in hand hungry in this country is clown shoes. We are supposed to be one of the most developed countries. Disgusting.

[Jimjam]

Austerity is just controlled poverty. It would work if they not just obviously giving contracts for government stuff to their mates and getting kickbacks.

It's all so obvious and they are laughing at the common people because we are powerless to anything about it (E.g. carillion collapsing with the ceos earning millions)

I thought the tories already declared and end to Austerity?

Its interesting you mention it though, as according to The Sun I saw at Asda today, apparently BoJo is promising to end it (again) after he 'sorts Brexit out'. The stuff in The Sun and the Daily Mail is incredibly persuasive, especially emotionally, until you start trying to verify the claims ('Rampant antisemitism', costs, budgets, promises which are made in duplicate each political cycle and never delivered, etc).

[Teppler]

So are the elites still dangling brexit in front of the common people as something they will maybe do for them when they feel like it?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I thought the tories already declared and end to Austerity?

Its interesting you mention it though, as according to The Sun I saw at Asda today, apparently BoJo is promising to end it (again) after he 'sorts Brexit out'. The stuff in The Sun and the Daily Mail is incredibly persuasive, especially emotionally, until you start trying to verify the claims ('Rampant antisemitism', costs, budgets, promises which are made in duplicate each political cycle and never delivered, etc).

Exactly. It's sad more than anything. It's astounding how passionate yet how uninformed the majority of people who read these rags are. Alas opposing either sides views is seen as an attack or calling them stupid.

Austerity is a the tories brainchild. Poor people appreciate scraps from the table more and are easier to make angry and be set on minorities like a gaurd dog.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

So are the elites still dangling brexit in front of the common people as something they will maybe do for them when they feel like it?

Trump got that wall built yet? Or is it still stuck being built in Colorado?

[Thrombosis]

So are the elites still dangling brexit in front of the common people as something they will maybe do for them when they feel like it?

Basically if Boris gets a decent majority in Parliament, we will have left* by the end of January 2020. Any other result and Brexit won't happen imo.

*I know we'll only be in the "transition" period, which is pretty awful as we're subject to many of the controls that EU member states are, but we will have technically left.

[Teppler]

Basically if Boris gets a decent majority in Parliament, we will have left* by the end of January 2020. Any other result and Brexit won't happen imo.

*I know we'll only be in the "transition" period, which is pretty awful as we're subject to many of the controls that EU member states are, but we will have technically left.

What the fuck

[Teppler]

Trump got that wall built yet? Or is it still stuck being built in Colorado?

You are correct in pointing out our failure with the wall. That’s similar but not quite as bad imo. You guys voted directly on brexit and you’re getting cucked. We voted for trump not the wall. It’s still not a good look that the wall is going up extremely slow at best but I don’t think it’s quite as bad as voting directly for brexit only for your elites to say nope that does t work out for us.

[Horza]

Tory MP candidate caught getting friend to pose as anti-Labour swing voter as party's disinformation campaign continues. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html)

Lee Anderson, who is standing for the Tories in Ashfield in Nottinghamshire, forgot he was wearing a live microphone while he phoned his friend to set up the fake encounter to impress a journalist. “Make out you know who I am, you know I’m the candidate, but not a friend, alright?” Anderson was recorded saying as he spelled out instructions to his friend minutes before bringing a journalist to his door.

[Thrombosis]

Tory MP candidate caught getting friend to pose as anti-Labour swing voter as party's disinformation campaign continues. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html)

Lee Anderson, who is standing for the Tories in Ashfield in Nottinghamshire, forgot he was wearing a live microphone while he phoned his friend to set up the fake encounter to impress a journalist. “Make out you know who I am, you know I’m the candidate, but not a friend, alright?” Anderson was recorded saying as he spelled out instructions to his friend minutes before bringing a journalist to his door.

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1198998239128805377

Here's the video of the encounter without the anti-adblock. Absolutely hilarious.

[Horza]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1198998239128805377

this is more Thick Of It than the actual Thick Of It

Perfect caption.

[Jimjam]

I've been really enjoying listening back through The Resistance album by MUSE

The United States (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RaTPw8M0NbM&list=OLAK5uy_nt5acJTCFwMg9gQPimWk8wkrY7rpBKg20&index=4)

Uprising (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog&list=OLAK5uy_nt5acJTCFwMg9gQPimWk8wkrY7rpBKg20&index=1)


Resistance (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPE9uSFFxrI&list=OLAK5uy_nt5acJTCFwMg9gQPimWk8wkrY7rpBKg20&index=2)

Unatural Selection (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T23AY5gYhpE&list=OLAK5uy_nt5acJTCFwMg9gQPimWk8wkrY7rpBKg20&index=6)

It makes a decent sound track to whats going on in the UK now: attempted superstates, incumbent governments creating fake fact checking services, 'independant' broadcasters distorting reality to clean the image, words and actions of leaders while suppressing the true reactions to them.

It's a scary, exciting time and everyday something happens that loosens my grip further on reality.

[Jimjam]

Apparently the Tories were unable to disenfranchise the people with the real Labour manifesto the government created a fake labour manifesto to bogeyman the people with instead.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-fake-labour-manifesto-website-fact-check-general-election-a9212076.html?fbclid=IwAR1QDzAxy99Vcr0UcAWVGFfAA_D _RREEdrBrbCIFQslbrVcMR9ywO405z34

[Thrombosis]

SNP's Sturgeon torn to shreds over Scottish NHS record. (https://order-order.com/2019/11/26/sturgeon-torn-pieces-snp-record-health/)

[Jimjam]

It's good to see those in power held accountable for their decade of failure.

Now do one for the conservatives, Andrew!

[Thrombosis]

Labour on the charge:

Kantar voting intention research (21 - 25 November 2019):

Conservative 43% (-2 vs Nov 19th)
Labour 32% (+5)
Liberal Democrats 14% (-2)
SNP 4% (nc)
Green 4% (+1)
Brexit Party 3% (+1)
Other <0.5% (-2)

People in this country don't care about the claims of anti-semitism, for some reason it just seems to increase Corbyn's popularity.

[feniin]

Labour on the charge:



People in this country don't care about the claims of anti-semitism, for some reason it just seems to increase Corbyn's popularity.

Mostly because the claims are entirely baseless fear mongering. Typical of conservative parties around the globe. Hope that helps.

[Kaveh]

Mostly because the claims are entirely baseless fear mongering. Typical of conservative parties around the globe. Hope that helps.

Corbyn supports the PFLP....

[feniin]

Corbyn supports the PFLP....

I don't think he supports them so much as he was somewhere one of there members was one time last year? Two state solution is the only way forward, anyone with any sense knows that.

[Thrombosis]

Mostly because the claims are entirely baseless fear mongering. Typical of conservative parties around the globe. Hope that helps.

Is it anti-semitic to say "Rothschild Zionists run Israel and world governments"?

[feniin]

Is it anti-semitic to say "Rothschild Zionists run Israel and world governments"?

Arabs are semites.

Anyone who says "globalists' or "Zionists" is racist.

[Jimjam]

Arabs are semites.

Anyone who says "globalists' or "Zionists" is racist.

Thats like saying anti EUers are racist!

[Horza]

While Zionist is much more frequently used as a dog whistle by antisemites around here, I really don't see how you can reconcile a one state solution with some notion of liberalism or progressivism.

[Wwen42]

It's pretty rare that the usage of the word "zionist" doesn't go in hand with the usual "Jews!" tropes antisemitics enjoy. Globalists is a little vaguer. It's a real thing, but people have different ideas about what it means. The EU is how Germany took over Europe without tanks. It's anti-democratic and favors rule by technocrats over of a republic or freedom. YMMV. The UK wants to leave (and probably a few other countries as well) and France has seen yellow vest protests for a year. I don't know if the EU will last another decade.

[Teppler]

Arabs are semites.

Anyone who says "globalists' or "Zionists" is racist.

Imagine the type of world where feniin types are in charge and imprisoning people for using the racist term of “globalist”.

[feniin]

Imagine the type of world where feniin types are in charge and imprisoning people for using the racist term of “globalist”.

Always the victim, Teppler.

[Horza]

The BBC asking the tough questions: “The reason for putting the jam on first is because jam is adhesive.” Conservative leader Boris Johnson prepares a scone, saying, when asked about the correct order of jam and cream, that he "couldn't remember, so I guessed." (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199780448056041472)

[Jimjam]

What a non-story. The order to cream/jam a scone is down to regional tradition, the Cornish or Devonshire method, or personal preference for mavericks.

I feel a story like that that is just there to bury the real scoops.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Agreed. Not like we would see any real scoops with all the editing the BBC is doing for Mr Johnson presently. Pathetic.

[Teppler]

Agreed. Not like we would see any real scoops with all the editing the BBC is doing for Mr Johnson presently. Pathetic.

Is this the current spin job the big money elites are pushing now? The media is too conservative, we need to dial it back to moderate!

Meanwhile, in reality, there's been a consistent far left crawl with the line over the last 30 years.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Oh i dunno the video of Boris JOhnson being laughed at by the audience is pretty consise.

There is one with him being asked something, and him answering.
There is the same question from the same man with him being laughed at when he starts to answer and then finishing as above.

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Your seriously expecting people to believe someone INSERTED an additional 4 seconds into the video with laughter etc?

I think its far easier to believe a cockroach like Johnson was just called out for what he was and the BBC are trying to cover his tracks as they have been proven to be bankrolled by Boris's party.

[Teppler]

Oh i dunno the video of Boris JOhnson being laughed at by the audience is pretty consise.


See you can’t be bright at all if you can’t figure who is behind this.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

mmmmhmmm

[feniin]

mmmmhmmm

(((Globalists))) (((Zionists))) (((banker elites))))

[Thrombosis]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7735209/Remainer-Ed-Miliband-accused-lying-voters-claiming-voted-nine-times-Brexit-deal.html

What's wrong with our politics in a nutshell. Too many politicians happy to be pro-Brexit when it comes to begging for a few votes from joe public, but when they get to Westminster they conveniently forget all that and vote against Brexit. Time to drain the swamp!

[Teppler]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7735209/Remainer-Ed-Miliband-accused-lying-voters-claiming-voted-nine-times-Brexit-deal.html

What's wrong with our politics in a nutshell. Too many politicians happy to be pro-Brexit when it comes to begging for a few votes from joe public, but when they get to Westminster they conveniently forget all that and vote against Brexit. Time to drain the swamp!

I'll point this out again, this is where the crown is supposed to step in and point out that politicians are not serving the people. They are telling the people what they want to hear in public before they deliver the desired results to the elites.

It's time you understand the UK as the paypig it is for its multicultural elites.

[feniin]

I'll point this out again, this is where the crown is supposed to step in and point out that politicians are not serving the people. They are telling the people what they want to hear in public before they deliver the desired results to the elites.

It's time you understand the UK as the paypig it is for its multicultural elites.
(((Multicultural)))

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/rftKWSB.jpg

[Thrombosis]

I'll point this out again, this is where the crown is supposed to step in and point out that politicians are not serving the people. They are telling the people what they want to hear in public before they deliver the desired results to the elites.

It's time you understand the UK as the paypig it is for its multicultural elites.

I don't think it's Her Majesty's job to do that - maybe it should be, and things would be better if she did, but my understanding of our unwritten constitution is that she should remain above politics.

What we need is a different voting system - AV+ is the system recommended but the politicians are too scared of it, and it should be easier for people to recall MPs and force by-elections.

[Teppler]

I don't think it's Her Majesty's job to do that - maybe it should be, and things would be better if she did, but my understanding of our unwritten constitution is that she should remain above politics.

What we need is a different voting system - AV+ is the system recommended but the politicians are too scared of it, and it should be easier for people to recall MPs and force by-elections.

The royalty interjecting is supposed to be a very last line of defense against a political class working against its people. Of course it won’t work out that way and it’s a pretty lame defense.

[Thrombosis]

Tories seem to be much better organised this campaign under Cummings. Last night Channel 4 (UK's version of CNN) hosted a climate debate which Boris Johnson didn't want to do as C4 have a history of bias against the Conservative Party. Rumour yesterday, correct as it turned out, was that C4 were going to use an ice sculpture in place of Johnson, so instead they sent the former environment minister Michael Gove (with his own film (https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1200166068741902337)) crew to try and get himself on the debate, which of course wouldn't be allowed as it was a leaders' debate and the other leaders wouldn't agree.

So now the main stories in the media aren't about a Boris no-show, it's about a "media row" over the debate, and C4 may have actually broken media impartiality laws by denying the Conservatives a platform.

[Jimjam]

Boris actually refused to take part then claimed C4 refused to let him participate.

The puppet masters know BJ can't perform at debate.

A genius move to make Johnson appear ready and willing to debate IF ONLY C4 would let him.

His reluctant handlers must be very pleased with how they played and spun this one.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

And isn't he a bit old to be sending his dad to tell off the bad TV people?

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/bMNQsX5.png

[Wonkie]

I'll point this out again, this is where the crown is supposed to step in and point out that politicians are not serving the people.

holy shit NO. that is absolutely not true.

[feniin]

holy shit NO. that is absolutely not true.

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good lie, Wonkie.

[Wonkie]

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good lie, Wonkie.

i guess it just comes with the territory of being a dumbass authoritarian to think that the westminster system requires the titular monarch to overrule parliament on a whim

lol

[feniin]

i guess it just comes with the territory of being a dumbass authoritarian to think that the westminster system requires the titular monarch to overrule parliament on a whim

lol

Be careful, he'll petition you for pointing out how out of his depth he is.

[Horza]

i guess it just comes with the territory of being a dumbass authoritarian to think that the westminster system requires the titular monarch to overrule parliament on a whim

lol

What could go wrong with an absolute monarchy?

[Horza]

Boris Johnson won't say how many children he has, saying that he would not “put them on the pitch” ahead of the election. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-johnson-children-idUSKBN1Y310C)

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/UkTtGP6.png


Every time I think it can't get worse over there.

[Jimjam]

Well you thought it can't get any crazier, but apparently today a terrorist was fought off london bridge by a man with a narwhal tusk.

[Thrombosis]

Well you thought it can't get any crazier, but apparently today a terrorist was fought off london bridge by a man with a narwhal tusk.

... and the media now have their narrative to take people's minds off this terror attack so that nothing need change. Never mind that at least two people were killed in a horrific manner in the centre of our capital city, isn't it BRILLIANT that a man, a Polish immigrant no less, used a narwhal tusk to fight him off. LOL!

[Jimjam]

... and the media now have their narrative to take people's minds off this terror attack so that nothing need change. Never mind that at least two people were killed in a horrific manner in the centre of our capital city, isn't it BRILLIANT that a man, a Polish immigrant no less, used a narwhal tusk to fight him off. LOL!

Isn't it sad that all I've seen reported is the Narwhal Pole, nothing else. Not even that anyone died.

Actually i think i saw a fake JC twitter screencap condoning the police taking out the terrorist.

But otherwise thats it. Narwhal tusk lolfactor and fake 'terrorist loving' JC quote.

[Thrombosis]

Last night we had a 7-way TV debate between the leaders of the seven main political parties in the UK. I say leaders, but the leaders of the two biggest parties were too cowardly to turn up. That left Swinocchio, Nicola Sturgeon (Scots Nationalists) and the guy from Plaid Cymru (Welsh Nationalists) to grandstand about how their plans for Brexit i.e. ignore the votes of 17.4 million people, would bring the country together, and how terrible Donald Trump was. Only Nigel Farage was speaking any sense imo, so of course everyone started shouting at him rather than engaging in proper debate. The state of UK politics is just so darn depressing.

Oh well, President Trump visiting the UK this week for the NATO conference, which will keep things interesting at least.

[Kaveh]

... and the media now have their narrative to take people's minds off this terror attack so that nothing need change. Never mind that at least two people were killed in a horrific manner in the centre of our capital city, isn't it BRILLIANT that a man, a Polish immigrant no less, used a narwhal tusk to fight him off. LOL!

You guys letting in Pakistanis was a huge mistake

[Wonkie]

My state(WA-US) is currently trying to get a voter-approved referendum(i976) thrown out in court.

Allowing it to take effect would derail(;)) other voter-approved projects, but the voters did vote for it.

Brexit means Brexit?

[Jimjam]

My state(WA-US) is currently trying to get a voter-approved referendum(i976) thrown out in court.

Allowing it to take effect would derail(;)) other voter-approved projects, but the voters did vote for it.

Brexit means Brexit?

Scotland voted against independence from UK (as independence from UK would mean Scotland would have to reapply to be an EU member and Scots want to be in EU). UK (well, England really, but its more populous than the other nations) voted against staying in the EU.

Basically Scotland voted twice to stay in the EU but it is getting dragged put anyway.

Seems like the Scots and Democracy are natural enemies groundskeeperwilly.jpg

[feniin]

Suspected Campaign from Russia on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/e74nml/suspected_campaign_from_russia_on_reddit/)

We were recently made aware of a post on Reddit that included leaked documents from the UK. We investigated this account and the accounts connected to it, and today we believe this was part of a campaign that has been reported as originating from Russia.

Earlier this year Facebook discovered a Russian campaign on its platform, which was further analyzed by the Atlantic Council and dubbed “Secondary Infektion.” Suspect accounts on Reddit were recently reported to us, along with indicators from law enforcement, and we were able to confirm that they did indeed show a pattern of coordination. We were then able to use these accounts to identify additional suspect accounts that were part of the campaign on Reddit. This group provides us with important attribution for the recent posting of the leaked UK documents, as well as insights into how adversaries are adapting their tactics.

In late October, an account u/gregoratior posted the leaked documents and later reposted by an additional account u/ostermaxnn. Additionally, we were able to find a pocket of accounts participating in vote manipulation on the original post. All of these accounts have the same shared pattern as the original Secondary Infektion group detected, causing us to believe that this was indeed tied to the original group.

Outside of the post by u/gregoratior, none of these accounts or posts received much attention on the platform, and many of the posts were removed either by moderators or as part of normal content manipulation operations. The accounts posted in different regional subreddits, and in several different languages.

Karma distribution:

0 or less: 42
1 - 9: 13
10 or greater: 6
Max Karma: 48
As a result of this investigation, we are banning 1 subreddit and 61 accounts under our policies against vote manipulation and misuse of the platform. As we have done with previous influence operations, we will also preserve these accounts for a time, so that researchers and the public can scrutinize them to see for themselves how these accounts operated.

Russia is that shitbird kid that used to get between you and your best friend by starting fights with rumors/lies.

[Teppler]

Suspected Campaign from Russia on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/e74nml/suspected_campaign_from_russia_on_reddit/)



Russia is that shitbird kid that used to get between you and your best friend by starting fights with rumors/lies.

Report brought to you by the George Soros Open Society.

[feniin]

Report brought to you by the George Soros Open Society.

:confused: Are you making up some more things again without any sort of evidence? Going to post those law scholars that said Trump shouldn't be impeached?

[Jimjam]

I'm confused. Were the leaked documents actually leaked documents or fake?

Reddit protecting the government by aiding them in keep secrets from the people in the lead up to an election seems kind of ... Sinister? Even if it were russian bots that exposed the documents.

Is that what was happening? It's all very vague.

[Thrombosis]

I'm confused. Were the leaked documents actually leaked documents or fake?

Reddit protecting the government by aiding them in keep secrets from the people in the lead up to an election seems kind of ... Sinister? Even if it were russian bots that exposed the documents.

Is that what was happening? It's all very vague.

The authenticity of the documents hasn't been questions AFAIK, they're just old and supposedly out of date. There's just a certain irony that after 3 years of blaming Russia for Brexit, without much evidence mind, it now seems that Russia is doing its best to back the only party who have a chance of stopping Brexit.

Quite worrying Russia was able to get their hands on these documents though as they were supposed to have been classified.

[Thrombosis]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1203252183774498816

Scottish Independence voting intention:

No: 56% (+5)
Yes: 44% (-5)

via @YouGov
, 03 - 06 Dec
Chgs. w/ Sep

Interesting...

[feniin]

Would be super interesting if Scotland was independent and NI returned back to the Republic of Ireland. What the hell would England and Wales call themselves?

[tinklepee]

Wangland

[Jimjam]

England. As i understand it, probably improperly, Wales is more like a subkingdom of England, whereas Scotland is a separate kingdom that currently shares a monarch.

As I recall it was a Scottish King James that united the kingdoms of Scotland and England, whereas Wales was more sort of just territorially occupied?

[feniin]

Would guess the Kingdom of England and Wales would be the official name. Charles needs to rule something, after all.

[Jimjam]

Apparently BoJo says the the leaked documents (that show more of the NHS is offered to sale to the US) are damaging and need to have the source tracked.

Sounds like the leaks are genuine leaks then ... and an inconvenient truth for a habitual liar.

[feniin]

Trump, surprisingly, wasn't lying when he said nothing was off the table, including the NHS.

[Purplefluffy]

Don't even know why I read this thread. People are uneducated, they should read more history books.

When you have a population that is on the whole unread and uneducated, you end up with stuff like BREXIT, you end up with hard right international networks fooling people using digital propaganda techniques, you end up with antifascists being labelled fascists, you end up with climate change denial and eventually you'll end up with a pan-world hard right alliance whom will cull as their solution to the climate and ecological emergency.

The end.